Justin Fuente needs to be fired in 2021

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At the end of the day, we all know the debacle at the end of last year. We all know that, if Fuente wasn't already destined to be fired with that press conference, he was damn well close to it and absolutely needed to knock it out of the park this season.

Today was about as far from knocking it out of the park as it gets. 12 plays inside the 5 yard line. 0 points. Game on the line first and goal, and the only play that was run into the end zone was a throw out of bounds. Offensively, we are a goddamn train wreck, and it's only getting worse with every year that passes.

West Virginia wasn't biting on the read option today. They knew what BB was going to do before he did it. They absolutely manhandled our offensive line from beginning to end. They out physicaled us and out schemed is. And even worse, our clock management was piss poor as well. This is a head coaching staff in their 6th year and they're still making mistakes that a rookie staff would make.

And again, we went into a hostile environment and looked completely and utterly unprepared for the atmosphere we would encounter. We looked flat out rattled and intimidated from the start. Once again, coaching staff in it's 6th year and they can't even properly get the team ready for a road game.

In an ideal world, Brad Cornelson would be fired tonight. He's absolutely awful at his job and has done more than enough to prove he's in over his head in this level of the sport. But the problem is, Fuente has hitched his wasgon ride or die with this man, so at the end of the day, the only way Cornelson gets canned, it's because Fuente was fired, first. Well, I've seen more than enough, if that's what needs to be done, I'm ready to make that move. Truth be told, I was ready to make that move last December, and it's not like there has been much done to change that opinion since. UNC win was good, but the pile of good is just too far outweighed by the pile of bad now. ODU, Wake, Duke, Kentucky, Virginia, Liberty, West Virginia. We've lost both rivalry trophies under Fuente. The bowl streak is no more. Every positive streak we hung our hat on when Beamer retired has been broken. And our recruiting is god awful, so it's incredibly likely we have worse years ahead of us than behind us.

We can't make the same mistake we made last winter. It's time to move on after this season.

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(Also, loved the players' effort today!
LET'S GO!)

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Absolutely, the players played their nuts off and most of the time made something out of an absolutely atrocious playcall.

Props to them on not giving up and props to the D for stepping up and getting us back in it at the end. Shame that Corny sucks so much at his job that it didn't matter.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

What's crazy is as bad as the ACC has looked so far he could win the coastal easily but still should either can half the offensive staff or himself be let go still.

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When Fuente has lost Fireman's support, you know he's in trouble.

Liberty last year was my end game.

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Heh that's exactly where he lost me

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

What was ODU?

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At the time didn't treat it any worse than ECU or JMU or Temple losses that Beamer had. He could have easily come back from it.

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Couldn't agree more Fireman. Even if we somehow back into a Coastal crown, major staff shakeup needs to happen.

I'm really jumping onboard the Dave Clawson train at this point. I think he's a great coach who has won big everywhere he's been and a very realistic choice. I just think Fu will never shake up his staff and would resign before he fired Corn.

Fireman my dude

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And again, we went into a hostile environment and looked completely and utterly unprepared for the atmosphere we would encounter. We looked flat out rattled and intimidated from the start. Once again, coaching staff in it's 6th year and they can't even properly get the team ready for a road game.

I don't think this is a fair comment. Morganhole is the toughest environment we will play in this year. The coaching staff did get the team back on track after falling behind big early and then big again later in the game.

To the rest of your points - yeah Corny sucks when it matters most. I think the biggest weakness in our coaching staff is the WR coach. We have enough talent that our receivers should be able to get open and they don't.

I mean we looked the same deer in headlights that we were against ODU in 2018. When a road venue is absolutely amped to have us there, we don't know how to handle it.

Hell, we looked the same in both Belk Bowls, and against UVa in 2019.

Now, much like today, sometimes we settled down and eventually made a game of it, but we spent the majority of the opening period of the game completely rattled.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Yeah, I think there is an undeniable trend here of slow starts.

I'm still figuring this out.

ODU was an issue of not respecting the opponent (not acceptable either) more so than going into an amped up environment.

The Bowl games maybe a philosophical issue with how bowl games are treated (also maybe not acceptable, but not the same issue).

UVA could have been the same as today, I didn't get to see that game, so I don't know and don't remember.

Most head coaches struggle with this. But it is coaching that gets everybody re-focused, too.

I'll take a move at OC before we burn the whole staff down and start from nothing including the incoming recruiting class.

These games are even more frustrating when we see how poorly we played yet still had the chance to win the game in the end.

Losing by six in a statistical toss up game isn't that bad to the outsiders but it stings us more that being WVU.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

The problem is that I don't think that it's possible to fire Cornelson without burning it all to the ground, I honestly think that Fuente is willing to trash his own career to keep this guy employed.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Been there down that T shirt is already in the locker room

Beamer had his own issues there

It's the Al Golden situation all over again at Miami. Golden may still be head coach at Miami had he been willing to can D'Onofrio. But for whatever reason, Golden would not pull the trigger on his trash of a defensive coordinator D' Onofrio. In the end, they were both let go.

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Bobby Bowden with his son.

Al Groh with his son.

Beamer with Stiney.

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Hindsight is 20/20 but I would argue Beamer getting rid of Stiney accelerated the decline. The program identity was thrown out for a "modern offense"

I wouldn't say it's hindsight. There was plenty of vocal uproar (Beamer called them the vocal minority) to get rid of Stiney as he was holding us back. Hello, Jason from Arlington?

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Stinespring was a bad hire/promotion in 2001. He wasn't qualified to move up to OC and quickly established that he wasn't good at it. This was perhaps best demonstrated from 2004-2007. During that four-year stretch, I don't think the defense was ranked worse than #10 nationally, and was #1 or #2 two of those years. During that same stretch, the offense never ranked better than #99 nationally. It was absolutely criminal that he kept the job for another 5 years after that.

IMO it wasn't that Stiney's termination accelerated the decline of the program, it's that our offense had been a shit show for over a decade before he was fired, and the damage was done at that point. The fact that his replacement was better-but-still-not-good sealed the deal, and ultimately brought an end to CFB's career.

Sadly, we're watching the same scenario play out now. Corn is absolutely dreadful at his job, but Fu for whatever reason either can't see it or won't acknowledge it. I don't understand why, but IIWII. And it's going to end the same way, just without the benefit of all the goodwill that CFB built up over the years.

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Was Stiney actually fired. I thought he just had the play calling responsibilities stripped away.

In his defense, he was a good position coach and a better recruiter based on my orange colored memories. But I agree, he was completely over his head as OC.

Yeah, you're right, I kinda collapsed it all together. He was demoted to TE coach & recruiting coordinator when Lefty was hired as OC. Ironically, had that been his title all along, things would have worked out very differently. I don't know if, say, Kevin Rogers would have been the OC we needed, but had we gone that route, with Stiney as our recruiting coordinator, the trajectory of the program likely looks VERY different.

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We also had some terrible line coaches in the stretch that lead to our downfall. Starting with Newsome, it was a total shit show.

Yea lets set the bar as the Division, a season long bare min

Well 2016 was a Divisional Championship - Good
2017 2nd to a Top 15 Miami - Not bad
2018 Tied for 3rd in the Divison, a Divison that not a single team finished above .500 - Bad
2019 2nd to UVA, Not a single team in the Divison ranked in the Top 25 - Not bad........no its ... Bad
2020 4th Among Coastal Teams, weird year but still.....Bad

Thats a lot of Bad results

I think Hamilton shows a lot of potential, and I don't see a realistic way we could lose Fuente and keep JHam. I'd hate to see him on the sideline at another school kicking our ass. If Corny has positive qualities that outweigh his play calling, then retain him but move playcalling responsibility elsewhere. It's not unprecedented that the OC isn't the primary play caller. If Fuente won't fire him, then he needs to find a compromise somewhere because Corny is going to cost him a job.

Losing by six in a statistical toss up game isn't that bad to the outsiders but it stings us more that being WVU.

It's the way we lost though... how many plays inside the 5 without a score? How many chances were we given that we failed to take advantage of? How many times did we follow up a huge gain with a momentum killing stalled drive?

The offense just feels like a bicycle where the chain isn't aligned to the gears. The gears keep spinning, but the bike barely moves.

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We celebrate quad box goal line stops against Pitt. This is how it feels from the other side.

We didn't do it 3 times in one game

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Um we know how that felt, the last time WVU beat us was with Grant Wiley stuffing us 4 times at the goalline.

I like the other side better.

... how many plays inside the 5 without a score?

12. 12 plays, 0 points.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Agree completely.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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Corny clearly needs to be fired...he is an utter failure at this level.

If he would fire Corn immediately I'd be willing to give Fuente the rest of '21 to prove he can produce something better than this.

But problem is, Corny may only be tip of the iceberg. Jafar Williams is stealing paychecks too and Vice's OL showed no ability whatsoever to contain a Blitz. I think just as Kill quickly picked up, we have lots of Offensive coaches that simply don't have nearly enough understanding of Xs and Os to be effective.

This, ultimately is a Staff that was fit for Illinois State and that was their ceiling.

Leg for the comment on Williams.

I agree with the general criticisms but the "fit for Illinois State" is stupid bullshit that makes us sound stupid. There are only a handful of good coaches, and even less complete coaching staffs without a weak link. Seriously, try to find an ACC team that is satisfied with their offensive staffs... just because we're weak in the coastal doesn't mean our ceiling is a weak FCS team.

If you were a HC at anything but the most lowly FBS program...would even bother to bring Cornelson or Williams in for an interview??

Yeah, didn't think so.

Once this regime is done, I guarantee you neither gets a job anywhere you've heard of.

And it's hard to make yourself look any stupider than running a jet sweep from the 5 yd line on 3rd and Goal when Hoffman has been getting beaten like a ragdoll at RT on every rep.

You absolutely would because pedigree is more important than anything else to most schools. How do you think we ended up with Loeffler? So many coaches are retreads because they were "somewhere" before.

Loeffler's claim to fame was being a coach at Michigan while Brady was there.

A real program and an association with a legend.

Cornelson has......uhh....Paxton Lynch?....not quite the same.

You said lowly FBS... you don't think a bad team wouldn't even interview Corny for a job? Jake Spavital wasn't even good at WVU and got hired as a Head Coach at Texas State! There are absolutely schools that would take our staff.

My fear is that basically we're Nebraska, and we think we're one coach away from fixing everything... when in reality we're probably closer to hiring Mike Riley or Scott Frost and bottoming out.

Not gonna go back and forth forever on who will/won't hire Cornelson.

He is utterly unqualified to be an O.C. at this level...that has been clear for years. We make ourselves look stupid for continuing to employ him.

Whoever wants an O.C. who can't scheme up a passing game against MTSU and thinks running slow developing Run plays against an aggressive, blitzing D makes sense can have him...as long as he never calls plays for my team again.

Jaffar should have been fired yesterday. Replace him and Corny and our offense could be pretty decent. Which pared with Jham D could be lethal.

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Agree on Corny and Jafar 100%. Vice had to move Hoffman to RT yesterday once Dzansi went down and Smith couldn't get it done. Corny continually running toward that weakness was the real issue (3rd down jet sweep to the boundary, rolling right twice on the last possession, etc.)

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Yes, Dzansi going down put the OL in a tough spot, but it was immediately apparent that Hoffman was not effective at RT.

But we seemingly did nothing to help him...just let him get beat off the edge again and again.

Then, part of the reason we don't have depth is because 2 of our probable starters jumped ship over some apparent beef. Injuries on the OL are pretty much a given over the course of a season...not having any realistic 2 deep there isn't really excusable

I agree on your point that we didn't do anything to help, we actually ran toward the weakness, which is on Cornelsen.

There are rumors about the beef on the OL, who knows what actually went on, I wasn't there. Vice has done well recruiting and developing players though, so I wouldn't lump him in with Cornelsen and Jafar, that's all I'm saying.

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Agreed, Vice is not nearly as much of a concern.

And definitely could use Corny's call of a Jet Sweep into the boundary towards the RT who hasn't been able to block the Edge all day as a fundamental Case Study in "Lack of Situational Awareness 101"

In critical spots nonetheless. It was bewildering to watch our RT get beat, have the RB get plowed, and us go back to it over and over.

Like Jocko says, the answer to fixing a problem isn't to "do it harder" it's to change up your approach.

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With regard to that play: "jet sweep into the boundary"

That was the angriest I have been with a call in a long while. And I have witnesses to my anger who also were watching from Hawksbill Brewing Company in Luray.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

At that point I thought Corny was just fucking with us

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That was the call that the announcers made the comment that play doesn't work against P5 opponents...

This is weak. Any coaching change at this point in the year is useless. Lets at least save the fire coach threads for the end of season.

Joe supporting having this type of thread at all is disappointing.

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Go find another message board then

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That isn't great for TKP. That is why it is disappointing. But we will get a thread next week begging for new members to keep the lights on.

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Or start another thread supporting Fu. Nothing stoping you from posting your opinions.

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Every message board will have pissed off fans no matter the situation . At this point fans have a reason to be upset . It's not just about the loss . It's how we lost and the same issues on offense . Coach Fu still has not addressed the same issues that's plagued this team over the last several years .

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I see a lot of whining with zero solutions on how/whoto fix the "problem". I would love to see some actual analysis and insight versus a bunch of guys bitching their lives out on a fucking message board. Sawft.

This is probably not something you should expect to find in a "fire the coach" thread a couple of hours after a painful loss. If you're looking for something different than this thread is providing, maybe start a new thread designed to spark the conversation you're looking for. It's not that complicated.

Clearly you don't read a lot of posts. Many people are pointing out the deficiencies and ways to counter them.

Btw-it's not our job to make the fixes. It's Fu's. He gets paid multimillion dollars to lead the program, win games and make progress. None of that is happening.

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Who would we hire to replace fuente? How much does it cost to get Fuente out? Recruiting effects.

My personal opinion would be to go after Shane Beamer......today. Frank probably would finance the buyout at South Carolina.

^This is called a potential solution. Is it possible? Maybe, idk? It's speculation. But at least it's better than this pathetic whining in this thread.

Dave Clawson. Affordable, realistic, great coach and prepares his team, and could do no worse than Fuente recruiting and likely a good bit better.

Him or Jeff Hafley. Knows the ACC. Building their current programs. Better offensive minds

Like Hafley a lot too, but Clawson has more HC experience and has won big everywhere he's been. He's also made Wake a pretty consistent winner which is impressive.

Jeff Hafley does not know the ACC. He had a stint at Pitt 10 years ago, and has spent one season at BC. He knows the northeast very well.

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Two years as a head coach in the league after this season. He knows it better than just about any of the other options we'd have

I really like/admire Dave Clawson. His teams are fundamentally sound and he actually coaches them up. My only fear is that if he does accept the VT job, a key assistant would stay behind to become HC of Wake Forest. I get the impression that something similar happened when Fuente accepted the VT job. I recall that Corny shared OC responsibility with another coach. In any case, if and when we hire a new coach, we need a good pool of money for assistance salaries.

Go Hokies!

My only fear is that if he does accept the VT job, a key assistant would stay behind to become HC of Wake Forest.

That's a feature, not a bug. One of the mistakes early in the Fuente era was not bringing on an established recruiter.

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Let the DC coordinator stay and we keep JHam - problem solved.

Meh, you have to let the new coach has to bring in his own guys.

Also, I'm not sure JHam is an 'established' recruiter. He's showing a lot of promise, but how many bluechip players has he landed?

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That may be true, but weren't some of our best gets last recruiting cycle on defense? Last year may not have been great, but in season 2 of JHam's tenure, it looks like the type of things we'd like to see. Figured stuff out and made adjustments at the half against WV, low scores against us first 2 weeks. Plus he knows the school and recruiting area depending on who we pick up. It also depends on (theoretically) if Fuente were let go now vs. December - we'd have a much larger sample size in Dec. to make a judgement if we'd want to keep him around -as would any prospective new HCs. Even if people like to bring in their own guys, if our D is looking really good by end of the season, in year 2 of a new DC, that's pretty good.

Clawson seems like a real milquetoast option.

He's turned around the program and won at every stop he's been. He's also 2-1 vs VT.

Fuente also hit the first two metrics that you cited.

He did turn Memphis around, but I think Darrell Dickey deserves a good bit of credit for that as well looking back. Also Clawson has done it with four different programs, from Fordham and Richmond at FCS, Bowling Green as a mid-major, and now turning Wake into a solid and consistent winner in the ACC.

Also, and it pains me to say this, but we are going to need a serious program builder in here as the next hire. Fu's not leaving a whole lot to work with. Some talent in spots, but if we thought Fu taking over for Beamer was a rebuild, we haven't seen anything yet.

I guess I just want a coach with a higher Q-score than Clawson, unless he turns out to be the Mike Young of football. Just give me someone with P5 experience that recruits well and aggressively sells the program.

Idk why people keep talking about Dicky. He wasn't the play caller at Memphis, and doesn't call plays at Texas A&M today.

If you go back and look at SP+ rankings from those Memphis teams, you'll see that those teams actually won with great defense. Pretty sure, there was never a Fuente Memphis team with a top 25 SP+ offense. Those defenses were highly underrated though. The missing piece was Galen Scott Barry Odom.

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Their teams with good defenses were all coached by Barry Odom. Galen Scott had one year calling the defense and they regressed to being bottom half of the league. They still won 9 games because it coincided with Fuente's one good offensive year while as Memphis. (In which the offense wasn't explosive but solidly efficient against bad American defenses).

The argument for Fuente's success here was always that ACC caliber players would make his offense look more like it was at TCU than at Memphis. It looked like that was true in 2016..

What is the source of this?

Cornelson being the primary playcaller at Memphis has become an accepted fact, but I have never seen anything to verify it.

Moreover, look at their recent accomplishments...Dickey is now at A&M, working for a guy who is both considered an excellent offensive mind and extremely hard on his assistants. If he didn't have some value there, he would be gone, period. He is QB coach and helped develop Kellen Mond into a 3rd Round Draft Pick.

Since 2018 Cornelson has done....???? His QB room has been a one way road to the Transfer Portal.

Dickey was the guy in that room who had the real skills, no matter who took the credit.

What is the source of this?

There was a podcast (shared on TKP around 2018 - I haven't digged it up yet) where Fuente talked about how he handed off playcalling to Cornelson his second year at Memphis. Additionally, it's widely known that Jimbo Fisher (A&M headcoach) still owns playcalling - which leads me to believe that, as Jimbo's Offensive Coordinator, Dicky is not calling plays right now.

Now, I'm NOT suggesting that Dickey didn't provide value to the Fuente offense. I'm not suggesting that Fuente did (or didn't) bring the 'wrong' coordinator. I'm just saying that I see no evidence suggesting that having Dicky here would improve the playcalling.

Dickey was the guy in that room who had the real skills, no matter who took the credit.

There is no evidence to suggest this either - people assume that (1) the offense was good at Memphis, (2) Dicky was at Memphis, but not VT, so he must be the missing piece. The reality is, Memphis was never a good offensive team:

Season Record Overall SP+ Offensive SP+ Defensive SP+ Special Teams SP+
2015 9-4 47 35 82 66
2014 10-3 55 79 32 74
2013 3-9 77 107 50 85
2012 4-8 96 111 71 124

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I like Clawson and he's a good candidate, however I just worry whether he can win at a big school like Tech. All the schools he coached at were either small private schools or a regional public school. Not to mention, there was a lot less pressure to succeed and little tradition at his prior spots.

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The thing about Clawson is the way he finds success at those institutions. He is a culture builder, something Fuente is not. His teams are always fundamentally sound, disciplined and tough, something that doesn't describe (at least not with regularity) Fuente's teams.

I'm not saying he'd be the "dream" coach, but he would be a major upgrade over Fuente IMO.

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a regional public school

Unfortunately, we're trending towards becoming just this.

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I think with this next hire, we don't need to be focused on winning big right out the gate, because frankly that's not how our program is currently set up. Recovering from Fu is going to be a multi-year rebuild. I don't think we need to be concerned with getting someone to get us in NY6 bowls right off the bat. We need a culture builder, someone who is an outstanding coach and can teach this team how to win again. Then we can start talking about bigger things.

Yeah, I don't know when people began talking themselves into the idea of him, but I'm not there yet. I don't think there's any appreciable increase in program ceiling height with him

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Counterpoint: Fuente has been so bad that Clawson is regarded as an attractive option to replace him. That right there just might be the proof some need that Fuente is not the right guy for the VT hc job

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I think you can tie 90% of our problems to depth. We make in game decisions based on it, we scramble in recruiting on it, etc. imo it is far and away the biggest issue. I think we need to replace Fu- if we are going to do that- with a guy that knows how to build and keep a balanced roster with a talent upgrade. We don't need an offensive genius we need a coach that knows how to build a roster.

Recruiting has been and always shall be.... our problem

at least under Fuente

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Why? What does he offer thats any better than any other candidate out there?

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I'm not sure either are those are good reasons to hire a head coach.

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I agree here. Look at WVU under Bill Stewart...

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

Those are great questions to ask Whit Babcock

And even if we approached Shayne, I doubt he accepts the offer.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Shane ain't coming back

Not yet

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Who would we hire to replace fuente?

Here's a list of coaches off the top of my head that would listen to a VT offer: Jamie Chadwell, Tony Elliott, Joe Moorhead, Charles Huff, Will Healy, Bill Clark, Ken Niumatalolo (especially after the recent debacle with the Navy OC/AD), Billy Napier, Brent Venables, Lance Leipold... That's all I got right now.

How much does it cost to get Fuente out?

$10M today, goes down to $7.5M on 12/16/21

Recruiting effects.

Our recruiting is improving, but it's not great right now. Don't sacrifice a long term gain for one above average class.

My personal opinion would be to go after Shane Beamer......today. Frank probably would finance the buyout at South Carolina.

Shane has no interest in coaching at VT. Too much pressure following his father, and he wants to blaze his own path, and him/his family actually like living in Columbia (not sure why, but I digress) - per a 3rd hand source.

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Interesting. Makes sense tho. Would love to see him blaze his career in Blacksburg for sure and be successful. One can only hope.

I'm kind of cooling on the Tony Pony. I honestly don't think he's that great of a coach. Not sure how he would do without Clemson-level talent, and his offense is pretty bad so far without Lawrence/Etienne. Will Healy has potential but think we would have better options. Napier would certainly be intriguing due to his big program experience. No to Niumatalolo, not interested in playing triple option football. Venables may just stay at Clemson at this point.

So, I don't want to get too much into the details of each of these candidates (that requires its own thread), but I feel confident that everyone I listed above would at least listen to a VT offer.

That said, I agree with most of your comments, except the one about Coach Ken. Coach Ken is one of the best coaches in CFB, and I think he would run something other than the triple option if he wasn't at an service academy.

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Bud Foster?

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Let's ease up on the Shane hype train just because of his last name. He will not be our next coach. Needs to earn his lumps at SC regardless...let's see how he does developing that program. And who's to say he wants to end up at VT anyway?

Solution for tech today, kick field goals and take points when you can. Live for the next play, get 3, take a win on offense. Rinse and repeat. Take points , reward the offense for moving the ball, and play defense. If tech had done this today, they would have taken a win out of Morgantown

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I literally watched the first screen pass and I was like "oh they must have read French's review". And for the rest of the game I realized they definitely hadn't. I watched us do exactly what I thought we would. Very few long passes to stretch the field, nearly everything was around the line of scrimmage.

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French nailed so much of what happened in his preview. When the center climbed to the second-level on a couple of blocks I thought, French called that.

Damn vtcivengr has been here a while and that's how treat him???

SMH

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Folks finding another message board is what I was saying isn't great for TKP. Being told to not come back and to grow up over relatively mild criticism is exponentially over the top. You can have the legs but this was drastically misunderstood.

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lol... you have a thing recently about trying to stop people from voicing their opinions. let me repay you with your own advice: let it go

This place went down hill after they decided to put quality of life mechanics behind a paywall.

that's putting A LOT of weight on digital upvotes that get you literally nothing in real life. seems a tad hyperbolic. Most sites need to make money, it is what it is. Respect for keeping it free for as long as it was.

quality of life mechanics

What does that mean?

I made the sleek comment navigation a TKPC-only feature a while back. The one that I spent my time designing and engineering. He was complaining about that, and has done so for a while. Now he doesn't have to worry about it since he can't comment anymore.

I disagreed with vtcivengr's comments, but they were within the community guidelines as well. A long term paying member of this site should not be told "don't come back" for expressing an unpopular opinion.

Yeah man, I put more time and effort into this site than any of you can imagine. When someone reduces me to "begging" to keep it running, in the words of Logan Roy, they can "fuck off".

And he's not a "long term" paying member.

I think most everyone on here appreciates how much time and work you put into the site. Obviously I don't know how long he's been paying, but he's been on here since 2014 so he's definitely a long term member. "Long term" and "paying" were two separate points, I just didn't delineate the two very well.

Again, I disagreed with both of his comments. I just think it's over the top to tell someone not to come back over a couple comments in one of our post-loss infighting threads. Tensions are high and none of us are happy, but isn't that why we're all here? To vent and get things off our chest after one of our 6 annual infuriating losses? I wouldn't want a regular contributing commenter like vtcivengr to never come back just because I disagreed with two of his comments.

Side note - the WVU, UNC, and UVA fans reading this thread have to be loving it.

Side note - the WVU, UNC, and UVA fans reading this thread have to be loving it

meh.... that's true for every winning sports team including VT when our rivals lose. then the year ends and we all wait to do the same next year.

i don't understand reading other fanbase message boards. reading up on the team to get news and an understanding of their players? sure
i know it's the internet but going through vent threads etc is weirdo shit

100% agree

I think it's mostly for this, particularly after a loss by one's rivals:

I get some enjoyment seeing meltdowns on LeScissors after a major letdown loss, and I'm sure they get some enjoyment coming here and reading Hokie insecurities.

There are threads for a reason.

Don't like a topic, don't open it.

Most here invest time, emotion, and some money into this Program, they have a right to vent.

Odd, USC is the Talk of TV right now

I'm indifferent to the thread. It's a message board and people are going to have a difference of opinions. Grow up.

Fuente is definitely ride or die with Corny for whatever reason and I can respect that on some level....but at some point he's gotta see what's right in front of us

Edit: but I loved the fight from the kids. Braxton is a competitor and I became a bigger fan of his today. He's limited as a qb but he's a unique athlete who fights his ass off for the team.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

Agree on BB3's grit. That said, how many QBs now have we celebrated over the last decade for their fight, grit, and for being great competitors.....while biting our tongues about their deficiencies as a QB1? I don't mean that as a personal attack on those kids. Each are great Hokie competitors. But....at some point we need to all acknowledge the QB whisperer isn't that at all. He either can't recruit them to Blacksburg or he can't develop and keep them here.

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

You ain't wrong

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

Quincy Patterson II comes to mind. I still cannot figure out what happened.

Go Hokies!

I wrote it in the vent thread and I'll repeat it here: BB3 is not a good QB. Yes, he's tough, he's fast, and his legs can extend plays. But he doesn't have a good arm, his decision making is questionable at best, and his ability to go through his read progression hasn't progressed AT ALL. I'm willing to chalk a decent bit of that up to our OC/QB coach not being able to coach for shit, but at some point the individual is responsible.

He also hasn't looked "healthy" since the very beginning of the UNC game when he started windmilling his arms.

In my mind I give QB2 starting reps against Richmond and see what happens. Give BB3 some time off to recuperate from getting slammed this weekend.

Agreed. Nothing against him and seems like a great guy, but BB is just not a good P5 QB. And this offense is high school level. We have almost no passing game, and everything including playcalling just looks dysfunctional.

Stop blaming the fucking players. Burmeister hasn't been put into the best position to succeed. That's 100% on the coaches. He played his fucking nuts off yesterday and damn near won the game despite the ineptitude of the coaches. He's not the problem. I am so goddam tired of people putting this on the players. They're just not getting the coaching they deserve but they're still going out there and laying it all on the line for us. Gtfo with these takes

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I don't question his effort, he did play a hell of a game despite the circumstances. But he also I don't think is a very capable P5 QB. He was 5-5 for like 27 yards at one point yesterday. Efficient and gutsy, but doesn't present a downfield passing threat that defenses respect at all.

The offense overall is the bigger problem though. Don't question BB's effort and giving it his all despite the horrendous coaching.

Agree on BB3's grit

...violent shaking intensifies...

I mean anyone expecting us to win today after being up one touchdown vs Middle Tennessee was kidding themselves.

That's Fuente's trademark is to fuck up against inferior teams, I fully expect to beat Richmond by 12 next Saturday.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

If Richmond beats Villanova today they'll likely be top 10-12 in the FCS. Noon game, sleepy Lane Stadium.....

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

I would say if the Line is VT by any more than 7...I would slam money on Spiders plus the points all day long.

Nobody runs on Richmond.

I'm not going to lie, I am fully expecting a <10 point game in the fourth....

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

Corny and Williams need to go. We had a team that was susceptible to the downfield passing game and we didn't throw past 10 yards until after we were down 14... it's unexcusable anymore.

My 2c. Whit puts it on the line and tells JF it's either his job or make a change at OC. This playing not to lose BS was old 10 seasons ago, even more so in the last 4. This whole aw shucks type attitude around our program is stale as F. We need offensive coaches with the mentality of: we'll stop trying to score when there's 00:00 on the clock.

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

#JustinTime...to fire Cornelson

We need offensive coaches with the mentality of: we'll stop trying to score when there's 00:00 on the clock.

I have been saying this for a while as well. Every game, but especially UVA, UNC, WVU, you put your boot on their throat and you don't take it off until they're back in the locker room getting their postgame shower. Idgaf about looking like assholes for running up scores. This is big boy football, and this staff either doesn't see it that way, thinks that's boring, or doesn't know how to do it.

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

I don't know how anyone who watched last December's press conference could think Whit is capable of this level of strong arm management. It isn't going to happen.

I can understand your stance on that based on how Whit presented. But to me, it doesn't make sense to pull the plug on JF without forcing him to make an OC change first.

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

#JustinTime...to fire Cornelson

Does anyone else have this replaying over and over in their head - ''Head coach Justin Fuente is certainly glad Burmeister stayed and now believes the Hokies have as competent of a passing game as any season since he arrived as head coach in 2016.

"I feel better about us throwing the ball right now since I've been here," Fuente said''
Is our bottled up coach now living in an alternate reality because in my reality yesterday's passing looked like a joke compared to 2016

The LewDew, Professional Golf Bum

Coach to win instead of coaching not to lose. So what if you do show a recklessly large amount of trust in your players? So far, not trusting them is working out the same as trusting them too much might.

edit: and when they DO coach to win, it's almost always at the wrong time, even going back to the 2017 GT game with the deep shot on 4th and 1.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

VT's Rank in Total Offense

2015 74
2016 39
2017 53
2018 39
2019 86
2020 31

2021 high 80s?

Let's be honest, that offensive ranking last year is bolstered by Herbert being a beast. When he was hurt, we looked incompetent, similar to how we look this year.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Corn just needs an incredibly outstanding player at all times to make his offense go from flaming dog turd to mediocre (J Evans, Herbert).

Good thing Fuente is an ace recruiter and he retains talent so well....

Not to detract from your statement, but look at Clemson's O this year now that they don't have the big talent they've had the past few seasons: anemic and lost. T. Elliott might not be all he's cracked up to be.

Khalil Herbert was amazing

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

2015 74 (bad)
2016 39 (less bad)
2017 53 (bad)
2018 39 (less bad)
2019 86 (bad)
2020 31 (less bad)
2021 high 80s? (bad)

2022: Less bad?

#MakeTheMove . . . "Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Just out of curious it's, what is your threshold for "ok" and "good"?

Replace (bad) with (not meeting expectations). For what was anticipated with the Fu hiring, and associated pay, it just isn't there.

That being said, I was more intending to emphasize the trend. Maybe next year is better than this year?

#MakeTheMove . . . "Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Problem is there is no effective difference between the Stiny/Loeffler years under Beamer and under Corny/Fuente. Real Problem we are paying 4 mil a year to a man that was supposed to significantly improve the offense.

I feel like a jerk for making comments about how bad of a coach Fu and Corny are...then I listen to broadcasters (especially ones like today who don't regularly do VT games). They say things like "they threw downfield not something we've seen" and "Braxton has to keep one of those, WVU has shown not respect for him keeping"....and my personal favorite "WVU is playing like they want it more, they are hitting VT right in the mouth." They're calling out the same things we are seeing. You can be damn sure every coach scouting us seeing the inept offensive game plan, playcalling and adjustment we put out there.

We put the K in Kwality

Very true. So frustrating when the other side of the debate tries to rationalize it all away.

I believe that, generally, everyone would love to see this team and set of coaches succeed; however, they are not, and no one does anything to try to change it; just keep not addressing the issue and hoping it miraculously heals itself.

#MakeTheMove . . . "Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

At one point during our useless flailing at the end zone, the announcers said they are calling G5 plays against a P5 opponent and they simply aren't going to work.

Corny is a G5 coordinator.

Too much credit....FCS at best and lower-level FCS at that.

I mean, our WRs can't get separation...so our playcalling was to have slow developing pass routes where our WRs have to create space. Maybe call something that creates mismatches or misdirection?

We put the K in Kwality

Hendon Hooker for Tennessee today:

17 of 25 for 199 yds and 3 tds
9 carries for 64 yds and a td

Of course they played Tennessee Tech; but looks like a better qb for UT than for VT.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

At the end of the day there's only so much the players can do when the playcalling is shit.

But yes, it would be nice to not have run HH and QP out of town this spring.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Malik Willis could be the QB of this team, except Fuente didn't think he was good enough to play QB.

Willis absolutely had the last laugh there, at our expense

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

If he gets drafted next year I can't wait for the Fuente Apologists to somehow claim him as a success because Fuente found him and had him committed.

Also, last week vs Pitt:
15/21 188 yds, 2 td, 1 int, 1 lost fumble.
9 car, 54 yds

I'll save the intricate analysis for everyone else but I will make note of something that I seems to be true for Fuente's teams. Everything they do seems like so much damn effort. Even the good plays seems to require so many good things to happen. We rarely ever just bust out a huge TD run or pass. Our team just seems to have to grind everything out.

I watched the game at a bar for the first half. I was melting in the sun and the game was depressing me so I ended up leaving at halftime and getting on the road back home. My GF was giving me updates in the car and of course my hopes get so high after hearing we had an interception at the 17 yard line. And of course I hear it is 1st & 3 and I'm thinking we have this in the bag. Then I hear it's 2nd & 3. Oh no. Then it's 3rd & 4. Oh no, not like this. Then it's 4th and 4. Well I basically knew out fate at that point. I told her not to tell me the score after than because I knew I was going to be massively disappointed. Welp, at least we came back and at least the rest of the Coastal is hot garbage. We will still get some wins this year and have some fun games.

This is the attitude I need right now

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

So, honest question: 5 and a half years in to the Fuente era, and we're basically an 8-win football program right now, and that's roughly what we'll probably go this year. If you fire Fuente, who do you bring in to make sure we become a 10-win football program again?

I only say this because if we're not careful l, we miss on the next hire and it gets REALLY ugly. And honestly, there aren't too many coaches in the country that would be able to win 10+ games every year here. I know we don't like to believe that, but it's true.

You think this is an 8 win team?

And this 'but we could be worse' is the same shit we heard about why we shouldn't fire James Johnson in basketball. You can't be paralyzed into inaction because of a chance things go wrong. If you have faith in your hiring process, you have to make that move.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Well, they should be able to beat UR, Syracuse, GT and Duke, so that's 6. They need two more wins out of Pitt/ND/@UVA/@Miami/@BC. 8 wins isn't out of the question.

As much as I want to agree, we have proven over the last 5 years that there is no sure win on our schedule.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

I'm really hoping that the first half was our "shit the bed" game and the second half was our "defeat from the jaws of victory game" that we seem to have every season.

So that means two losses are out of the way at once, right?!?! ๐Ÿ˜

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

It was so long ago I forget, but were there really people out there saying we shouldn't fire JJ? That...I'm concerned for those people

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Oh yeah. People are just scared of change and will find any excuse to keep the status quo because that's more comfortable than the unknown.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

I still think this team wins the Coastal. That's more so a reflection of the rest of the coastal than it is about how good this team is. Literally the rest of this schedule is a toss up every game outside of Richmond and we already beat our toughest Coastal opponent in UNC.

Gobble Till You Wobble

It is a reflection of the heart and talent of these players. Fuck Fuente

VTMidge

I agree with you that every remaining game is a toss up. But because of that, I can't arrive at the conclusion Tech will win the division.

There is absolutely no way this team wins the division. Four of our last five are on the road. We will be lucky to win two of those. And Pitt is going to absolutely blow our doors off. This offense is high school level.

Pitt just lost to Western Michigan at home. Let's not act like every team in the coastal isnt capable of playing like dog shit each game. I'm a little more optimistic because we played like dog shit and still had multiple chances to win the game

Gobble Till You Wobble

I'm not saying Pitt is great either, but they are a matchup nightmare for us and have been for years. I don't think we are going to be able to score much against their defense. Even UVA looks like a concerning matchup at this point.

UVA is super one dimensional minus armstrong scrambling they have zero run game. If the defense can get its share of picks or we can generate some pressure they can be beaten and their defense is very very soft.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Crush the enemy, see them driven, and hear the lamentation of their women.

It's not quite that straightforward..its about matchups and Narduzzi is a massive assbag but he is also quite a good defensive coach.

Cornelson v. Narduzzi is a mismatch of epic proportions.

While I trust JHam to put out a better performance than last year, this offense has given zero indication so far of being capable to score points consistently.

Eh, across the board the division is terrible. It wouldn't surprise me if Tech won it, but it's not something I'm hanging my hat on.

And you're right, the schedule down the stretch is rough.

I'd give Jamey Chadwell a shot, with a lower base salary and a very generous performance bonus package. Young, local, fast riser, success at every level.

gtofever

Here's my hang up with that... we're already complaining about Corn being a G5 coordinator, but isn't that exactly what we'd get with whoever Chadwell brings with him? Unless he's able to go out and convince somebody not from CC to come along...

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

#JustinTime...to fire Cornelson

Lincoln Riley, Dan Mullen, Phil Longo, Kevin Wilson, Graham Harrell, Jeff Lebby and many other great offensive minds were all G5 OCs before they were P5 OCs.

The problem - and I can't stress this enough - is NOT that Corn was a G5 coordinator; the problem is that Corn is a bad coordinator.

This is a pet peeve of mine. Whenever our next coaching search happens, we should make the best hire available. We shouldn't exclude G5 coaches just because the last guy was a G5 coach and he didn't pan out.

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I don't disagree AT ALL that Corn is bad. He needs to have been gone yesterday.

But we are literally living the cautionary tale of the coordinator that comes along with the next hot up and coming HC.

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

#JustinTime...to fire Cornelson

You're looking at a single data point. I'm suggesting that you look at a (much) larger dataset before excluding a lot of strong candidates.

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I'm more so cautious to whoever he may bring with him as OC from ccu not Chadwell. Corn has obviously fallen upwards...

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

#JustinTime...to fire Cornelson

I think Chadwell would be a good gamble. Only other name I can think of is Bud Foster - apologize and say "it was always you baby". Then we can keep Hamilton on staff.

That being said, I'm not as down on Fuente/Corn as everyone on here. Today was a bad day but I think Fuente is an above average coach that cannot recruit. Unfortunately, recruiting is probably the most important aspect of CFB.

Bud put in more than his time being a Hall-of-Fame-quality DC, stayed with VT/Frank through multiple outside HC offers, and then was passed over for this HC/OC combo. If Bud was offered the whistle now, I wouldn't blame Bud at all if he walked into Whit's office and wordlessly punched him in the face, kicked him in the ass, and walked out.

VT did him dirty in the process, in my opinion, and I hope he's feeling some justified schadenfreude at the current offensive staff.

Never too late to make things right.

Heavily rumored that Whit had the money for the buyout last year, but we balked at the change because of optics around COVID.

If the change needs to be made, the money will be there.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

3 million is a pretty good chunk of change for a coach who would otherwise be pulling around a wake board on a Saturday afternoon. 3 mil is plenty for SWVA and gives him the money to pay good coordinators.

Between Bud's serious health scare, his newish marriage and enjoying retirement he isn't coming back to coach period people need to move on.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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People can change their minds....

People can't change serious health issues like the ones Bud has

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Unless your name is Urban Meyer

Bud's coaching days are done. Health plus other stuff on the homefront.

Hey take notes key players. These are actual questions that need to be asked. Not bitching and moaning and self-affirmation type posts...

This comment adds nothing.

Mr. Gualtieri agrees.

VT '10--US Citizen; Virginian By Birth; Texan By the Grace of God.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

Romanes Eunt Domus

I honestly didn't read the other comments but if someone else said #fuckFuente me bad

VTMidge

Fu and the offensive staff are awful at situational football. Their ineptitude at this critical area is keeping our ceiling to 8 wins. End of half, red zone play, and clock management are awful. This tells me Fu is too arrogant to admit this is a deficiency because it has remained consistently bad.

We've been down two scores or more in many games and always fail to act with any urgency on offense in the 4th quarter. We got the ball down 13 across midfield with 11+ minutes and took 6 minutes off the clock and still failed to score. This is terrible game management. We ran a jet sweep to the short side on 3rd and goal from the 5 and lost 2 yards. By the way this is how we lost our best play maker last week. A power sweep to the short side with the tight end from the 2 yard line. This is terrible red zone play calling. The final red zone series was terrible. As everyone has said BB walks in if he keeps it on 2nd down. Either they have instructed him to hand it off or he can't run the read option. Both are inexcusable.

The offensive system has failed to build on itself over 5 years. This is a high school offense. There are no new wrinkles, a sophomoric passing attack, and it is incapable of executing a 2min drill. At the bare minimum Corny and Jafar have to go.

I'm glad you mentioned time management. I was screaming about that at the end of both halves. We are down big and yet every play used up most of the play clock to even get a play called in and the clock running. No urgency to save time. Its not the players either. BB was just staring at the sidelines waiting for a call. Drove me nuts.

Todd Grantham For Next VT head coach!!!

Whoever the next coach is, I think waiting until the end of the season to make a move is a mistake. It's hard to attract a good coaching candidate behind the scenes if the job isn't officially open. And by December it's too late. I'm hoping after Pitt blows our doors off we go ahead and do it in season and start a full blown coaching search.

Never thought I would see the day when we were hoping for losses/embarrassment to force a change.

Yet...here we are.

We put the K in Kwality

Meh people used to say the same shit late in the late Beamer years

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

I don't read it as hoping for a loss, more of a dreading the inevitable and hoping that the admin acts accordingly when it happens.

Of course, Whit always plays with his cards close so we, the "social media mob", don't get to know anything except growing frustration at our beloved program apparently doing nothing about sinking to the depths of the FBS.

Worst decision Whit could ever make...

Is coronavirus over yet?

Oh I dunno saying "those fans don't donate enough to have their opinions matter" is going to be hard to top

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Here's a Fundraising idea:

Fire Cornelson Fund.

Guarantee HokieClub grows by 10% within a week.

For such an Offensive Guru, he sure makes me miss Stiney & Loeffler.

Yeah. You read that right.

VT '10--US Citizen; Virginian By Birth; Texan By the Grace of God.

Rick Monday... You Made a Great Play...

Romanes Eunt Domus

Dickey was the brains at Memphis.

Corny was a coattail hanger and nothing more.

Fuente brought the wrong guy because he didn't think it would matter and Corny was cheaper.

I'm honestly starting to think Fu himself doesn't know much about the Xs and Os of football. There's no way you can objectively look at your offense if you're supposedly some sort of offensive guru and find this acceptable. You're right, I think he should thank Darrell Dickey every day for his success at Memphis and getting him the VT job. Fu was only a co-OC at TCU also.

I think Whit got conned and fell for it again at the end of last season.

Could very well be right.

From an Executive standpoint, he's pretty awful--Time management, situational playcalling, FG vs. Go for it on 4th, Icing on 58yd FG--he's been consistently on the wrong side.

Not exactly confidence boosters.

I'm as frustrated as the next guy with Corny. But I'm not sure anything could make be miss Stiney.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

I'm not sure anything could make be miss Stiney.

You should go back and look at our SP+ Offensive rankings from 2009-2011.

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Don't care what any stats say. Just remember those 3 or 4, whatever it was years of 100th or worse ranked offenses and ... ugh.

Remember a hilarious article. Think it was by Bitter but honestly cannot remember. But the guy made a really good case that if you use the advent of the BCS system as your starting point, no team has been able to do more in terms of wins with less in terms of offensive production than what Virginia Tech has done under Bryan Stinespring.

Though I will grant you, choosing between those two has that same feel as would you rather lose to West Virginia or Richmond or would you rather live under Hitler or Stalin. Not a great choice either way.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

Okay...let me ask you the most basic question (and answers will show the problem):

We're in year-6 of the CornFu offense...what is our system?

I can't tell you. We're not an establish the run team, weren't not a zone-read team, we're not a passing team, we're not west coast offense, weren't not RPO based...I honestly have no idea. What is our plan? What are we game planning to? What system are we recruiting? What system are we hiring coaches and analysts?

We put the K in Kwality

Jet sweep to the short side of the field, qb draw on third and long, option read with no option, no passes across the middle of the field. Boom

It's depressing because it's true.

Players got to execute, but be coached to execute. We were in great situations today, that was squandered by bad play calling and execution. Our best receiver today, was our #3 receiver. Corny and Williams have got to go, or the rest of the season will tank. If they stay, they better get it right.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

We aren't even really running the jet sweep or read option anymore. It's mainly off tackle handoffs from shotgun, QB Draw, and slow developing screen pass behind the LOS.

Every 20 plays do something against that grain and be happy for the 15-30 yards we gain.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

It's a sideways passes/screen based offense. It doesn't do much except inflate completion percentages.

It's like

"Think of an innovative high powered attacking offense"

"Ok, good, now think of the exact opposite of that"

Yeah, that one

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Fire Fuente now. Give JHam interim HC, be clear that he's not ready for the big chair yet, and start a real search before it's too late to get someone good, and proven at this level. Also: don't give them some massive buyout.

This is still an appealing program to coach. A creative, skilled and ambitious HC could do very well. This ain't gonna be true for a whole lot longer though. Recruiting is going to continue to crater without a change. Time to rip the band-aid off.

"... I think he played his nuts off. And you can quote me on that shit."

ย Also: don't give them some massive buyout.

Or a crazy extension after one year of success.

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

Massive buyouts are the norm for anyone with a proven track record. To offset that you'll need to offer them a much higher salary. If you want low buyout you need to to go with a less proven guy that potentially has a upside.

Agreed. Buyouts are security for coaches due to the inequality of bargaining power between the school and the coach. The school can get rid of the coach at their pleasure, so in consideration for that, there is severance in the form of a large buyout. However, we really jumped the gun on Fu's massive extension and buyout in 2017. I know everyone thought he was going to FSU, but we gave up an awful lot for a coach who was still relatively unproven at that point. I think Whit was a little naive in thinking Fu was a sure-fire thing. It's also starting to become pretty clear that the decline of the Fu era started right after that massive extension and buyout. I think he didn't feel as much pressure to win big after two good years and having the buyout in place, so he purged the remaining Beamer guys and the walls went up around the program.

If we lose to Richmond next week, we should absolutely pull a USC and do exactly what you described. Put yourself out there for candidates to know you're an option.Get first dibs on guys before the other schools can make moves, even if its just a handshake deal with the ink set to paper a couple months later. Recruiting for this year will suffer regardless if a change is made. But this way, there's a chance the new guy could already be recruiting for you even before taking the job. It's not unheard of for a coach to already know he's leaving without publicly announcing it but privately telling recruits "follow me, not the school".

I think if we don't beat Richmond by three scores, I think Whit needs to step in and fire Corny to start.

I've thought similar. Us putting up less than 40-45 is a failure offensively.

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

#JustinTime...to fire Cornelson

If we lose to Richmond next week, we should absolutely pull a USC

Drive him to the airport and leave him on the tarmac?

Lol would that be the Pulaski airport?

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

I'm thinking make him walk to Montgomery Executive from the stadium and take a little small Cessna all the way back to Oklahoma, having to stop multiple times for fuel and pee in a little jug.

JHam just barely getting his feet under him, and you want to go interim HC? C'mon.

Cough, cough, dabo, cough cough. There is a precedent.

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but can you name another? the fact that there is one successful example just kinda proves how unlikely it is to work. it's not impossible but it's definitely long odds

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I mean if we went the Dabo route with JHam I'd be 100% on board.

And by that I mean, bring him on, and then open the checkbook to bring in an elite OC, and elite DC, and round out the absolute hands down best recruiting staff in the conference so that the coach can act as an energetic figurehead fundraiser, PR spokesman, and primary recruiter for the school.

I mean if we're willing to do that, then sure, lets go!

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Then we can just be lil ol' Virginia Tech with multiple championship game appearances and championships.

Who know it would be so easy?

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this is not consistent with the plan that Alum just laid out. would have to be someone like Venables, Lanning or Schumann from UGA, etc.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Why would J Ham hire someone that runs a completely different defensive scheme

why would you hire darryl tapp if you are aiming to bring in an established elite coordinator.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Jham is the established coordinator in this case. If the HC was a former coordinator he's generally gonna bring in someone to run his scheme. If it's a wide receivers or special teams coach running the team as a CEO then what you're saying makes sense.

It just wouldn't make sense to bring in an established DC who runs a completely different scheme if the guy you're promoting is already a good coordinator.

OR, send Whit crawling on his knees to Bud's house and beg him to pause his retirement to right the ship.

"... I think he played his nuts off. And you can quote me on that shit."

Really don't understand why we didn't give him a chance.

What we do in life, echoes in eternity

No, Bud can't right the ship. If we were going with that type of Hail Mary I would rather make JHam the interim HC.

This is like year 3 of the third game of the season we have wanted him gone. Why is he still here?

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

We don't donate enough for our voices to matter

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

Sad that the last thread had to be abandoned. All my best points were over there

Copy + paste

We put the K in Kwality

Same shit, different day.

In a vacuum, the people saying today isn't bad are correct. But we don't live in a vacuum, we've watched the same shit happen over and over again and some expect different results.

The kids deserve better, they played their asses off to have a chance to win and the coaches (Corn mostly, he's clearly the anchor of this staff) played mamby pamby bullshit again.

Fire Corn. Fire Jafar. Get some actual coaches in their place. Go win some damn games.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

I dont know what blackmail cornelson has on Fu but it must be top secret level as his unit fails to execute costs us big time.

The defense and special teams balled out today and the offense flat out took all the air out of the tires every time we got going. Zero excuses for the inability to stick it in on any of the failed red zone chances. The offensive line play was bad or atleast the radio feed seemed to suggest it was poor all game.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Players played their nuts off, still think Fuente is a good person, changes need to be made, just my take

Not saying I agree but man that's some loyalty, Ford hasn't tweeted since January.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I appreciate Ford defending his coaches, but strongly disagree here. VT was bound to break records with transitioning to a modern offense. That side of the ball hasn't looked anywhere near the same since Evans, Ford et al. left Blacksburg.

Yeah, having an Isaiah Ford up our sleeve helped us do that

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

The offense also looked completely different when ford was still here. Also that's when fuente boasted the "we're gonna run no huddle a lot and run plays super fast and out condition our opponents" and that went away quickly

Ah, the same type of "loyalty" that made him and others to leave early only to be a 7th round pick and perennial practice squader, 6th round pick (Bucky, practice squader and out of the league), and undrafted (Evans). Instead of coming back and being a playoff contender.

I don't mention the Edmunds' because they are both beasts in the league right now. But we also needed them stay for that to have happened...

Having a conversation with you is like a Martian talking to a Fungo.

#JustinTime...to fire Cornelson

Remember when everyone was declaring for the draft and Cam Phillips tweeted a long statement letting us all know he was leaving... to go get some Chick-fil-A. That was funny.

Love Isaiah, but this is like praising Jeff Collins' staff at GT by saying "look at all the passing records his offense broke". No shit. Chinballs thought it was the 1950s and didn't believe in the forward pass.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

My Reply to Mr. Ford would be to remind him that we only did that with a hard core group of Seniors who were determined to show they were a championship caliber team and that the QB was Jerod Evans. I have yet to see one of the QBs that this coaching staff recruit that can recreate that level of QB play. Its has been 5 years since 2016. What does this tell me? That it was more Jerod Evans being a next level athlete and QB more than Coach Fuente and OC Brad Cornelson. I respect all Isiah Ford did for VT and I wish him nothing but the best at the NFL, but I must vehemently disagree with his opinion in this matter.

Go Hokies!

My take on why Fuente should be let go is losing every streak. In hindsight, Beamer stayed around too long. But even with that, look at what he built. Fuente has, in 4 years done the following:

2018 - lost the winning streak
2019 - lost the UVa streak
2020 - lost the bowl streak (and no, I don't give a rat's ass about COVID; every other team had to deal with it)
2021 - lost the Black Diamond

Looking forward:
2022 - probably lose the streak of VT head coaches not getting fired

It is possible that the team pulls out a good season. 2-1 is as good or better than I had expected at the start of the year and we don't face a murderer's row of teams the rest of the year. But at this point, I say if he cannot win at least 9 games, get rid of him.

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2020 - lost the bowl streak

Only thing with this is the players themselves voted to not go to a bowl, should Fu and Whit ignored their voices there? The rest yea not ok.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Still counts as breaking the streak to me. Under normal years losing teams typically don't go to bowl games. We had a losing regular season and did not deserve to be in a bowl game.

I think the argument is that covid impacted the season in such a huge way that you almost have to throw out the whole year as if it didnt happen.

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Every team had to deal with COVID and many had winning seasons. That excuse is getting really old.

And a bunch of good teams had losing seasons.

No one's saying COVID is an excuse for why the team sucked last year. But it's the reason that you can't straight up compare 2020 to any other season. 2020 is an orange in a bushel full of apples.

Not to mention that we've had 4 seasons in the past decade where we were 5-6 but still went to a bowl because we won that final game. The difference in 2020 is that we didn't have a chance to get that extra game to get that final win.

We were among the worst COVID issues in the country, and there were lots of rumors of the staff not taking the appropriate steps to mitigate COVID.

Going to try to avoid violating the CGs but there's at lest one members of the staff that has publicly questioned the necessity of vaccines / COVID restrictions on Twitter.

I do agree that last year was a weird year and it makes some of the judgement around how seasons ended up difficult but I do deduct points for his staff's seemingly lackluster attempts at managing the program's response to it.

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I mean, Caleb Farley outright said we weren't taking it seriously as part of his reason to opt out, so there is absolutely some validity to what you say. I mean so much so that when COVID hit us hard early the reaction really wasn't that much of a surprise.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Because of COVID, was also a waste of a season, and he clearly didn't need it to get drafted in the first round.

....he literally said in his article that part of the reason he opted out was seeing how little our players and coaches were taking the virus seriously last summer...

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

It looks like he had valid concerns. From ESPN article:

"Guys were going home, going to Myrtle Beach, coming back to campus, and we weren't getting tested. We're all together, working out, close to each other, and you have no real idea who might have it, if anybody might have it. One day I looked around, and we were like 100-deep in our indoor facility, no masks. My concern grew more and more."

"I started being really conflicted about playing," Farley wrote. "What this came down to is, I lost one parent. My dad is so important to me. Growing old with him means so much to me, more than football. I don't know what I would do if I contracted it and gave it to him, and he passed. I couldn't live with that. Part of me thought, I put all my eggs into this basket since I was 6 years old ... just suck it up and play. Try to stay safe. But I couldn't ignore all the doubts in my head."

There's no way to read those quotes and think there was any team he would have actually played with during the 2020 season. I think he would have come to the same conclusion regardless.

It's Time to go to Work

Sheesh no one show this to Alex Kirshner

"I started being really conflicted about playing," Farley wrote. "What this came down to is, I lost one parent. My dad is so important to me. Growing old with him means so much to me, more than football. I don't know what I would do if I contracted it and gave it to him, and he passed. "

This is literally every person with a parent and a brain last year. I didn't see my parents for over a year.

It would have been like that in every football program. If you played football with a bunch of other college age guys.

Who on the VT football staff is responsible/accountable for things like taking a pandemic seriously?

Ultimately Fuente is in charge of the program. Buck stops at his (and Whit's) desk.

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Since 2012 the rules for bowl eligibility is 5 wins (with minimum APR criteria), 4 teams prior to 2020 season had played in bowl games with 5 wins.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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To me that just means there's too many damn bowl games.

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

If that is the case, then a bowl game is zero indication of a good season or a good team. If every team over 4 wins goes to a bowl, its really an exhibition vs. an indication of a good team

There's a lot of rumor that he didn't ask. Many players said they wanted to go to a bowl.

We put the K in Kwality

Still counts as breaking the streak. I actually agreed at the time that they should have put it to a vote with the players and gone with what the majority wanted. But I firmly believe that if this team was 8-3 or 7-4 and pumped up instead of deflated with lack of energy/motivation/leadership/"it" (whatever it was) the team clearly did not have it. I put that on coaching.

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In a normal year, a losing record doesn't get you a bowl unless a million other things happen.

Again the rules and stats speak for themselves.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Also considering it was a fluky loss to Liberty that put us under .500 - something tells me the original schedule where we play Liberty week 1, plus games against Middle Tennessee, North Alabama, and Georgia Tech doesn't end up as a losing season.

As for the ACC teams we did play in 2020, and were originally scheduled to play we went 4-3 against them. So for shits and giggles let's hypothesize a season out of last year.

We got 4-3 against the ACC teams we beat, I'll take the Liberty loss even though I think we win that game most of the time in a normal situation. Penn State was bad last year, but let's substitute the Clemson loss there anyway as a comparable. The team is 4-5 with the remaining games against Middle Tennessee, North Alabama, and Georgia Tech... Do we really think the team last year can't go 2-1 against that?

you lost me at "I'll take the Liberty loss"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

"The team is 4-5 with the remaining games against Middle Tennessee, North Alabama, and Georgia Tech... Do we really think the team last year can't go 2-1 against that?"

Do I think they can't go 2-1? Absolutely not. In fact, I could have easily seen them go 3-0. By the same token, if you look at Fuente's track record after the first season, I would definitely not assume that they would win at least 2 of those games.

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Live in reality. Hypothetically speaking is a fallacy. We are who we are. Every team can say a play or two would have changed everything.

Whats does practice, player development and recruiting mean if the coaches piss it away with stupid in game decisions. I will and have backed Fuemte up on the first three, but there is absolutely no excuse for four redzone trips with no points.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

*** Hypothetical ***

Dear Whit:

If you had an Administrative Assistant (AA) working for you, making $55,000 per year, with a $165,000 buyout (if fired this year), what would you do?

Let's say that this AA had some influence on others. The AA interacted with donors who came to meet with you. The AA interacted with recruits. The AA sat beside you during press conferences. The AA communicated with former players. The AA reviewed, edited, and transmitted your emails and letters to important stakeholders. (The AA had many other similar responsibilities.)

Without listing a bunch of specific hypotheticals, let's just say this AA (for whatever reasons) made a horrible impression on all of these people that the AA interacted with.

Would you hesitate to fire the AA simply due to the ridiculous high buyout amount?

Of course you would fire the AA, simply due to the fact that the AA's actions would most likely be negatively impacting the bottom line.

Why would you not fire someone with drastically more influence on these important people and the bottom line.

It appears that the decision is simply being driven by the large buyout amount attached to Fuente. However, it appears that you are ignoring the elephant in the room; the substantial hidden cost (drastically more than the buyout amount) that you are spending (losing) due to your failure to take action.

Sincerely,
A completely reasonable fan

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Will someone please make sure Whit logs into his The Key Play Account and reads this? /s

#MakeTheMove . . . "Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Whit would respond and say you don't donate enough for your opinion to matter.

Are HH and QP performing so well at their new schools due to the fact that they had a few years of training by the QB guru?

#MakeTheMove . . . "Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

HH and QP are performing so well at their new schools due to the fact that they are playing lesser competition so far.

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BB didn't do much against lesser competition as well๐Ÿ˜‚ 14-24 with a 142 and 1 touchdown. I'm sorry you're still mad that they got out of a shitty situation so they can have better opportunities๐Ÿ˜

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I'm not mad at all about QP/HH, I'd love to see them succeed. Not sure why you said that; I hope my comment didn't come off that way. But, objectively, none of them are lighting the college football world on fire. QP is playing FCS football, and doing well at it. HH scored 3 TDS against Tennessee Tech, but struggled against Pitt. It's not like they're having Russel-Wilson-at-Wisconsin-type seasons.

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Ahh I got ya. I say I took it like you were mad because their are actually mad that they are doing good in any game ESPICALLY 247. That message board is toxic as hell

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Fuente will take credit for their development.

Oops double post.

Imo Fuente can do two things to keep his job:
1) Win the rest of our games and go 11-1. OR
2) Win the ACC.
Anything else is peace out. Hire Jamey Chadwell.

No more up and comer. Pay out and get a on the SEC merry go round

Free Hugh

You mean pay for players

That too

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"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

When Corso and Herbstreit picked the Hokies to win today my wife and I knew it was going to be a bad day. Just throwing that out there. And Hokies technically won, Robinson had a TD that was taken from him. Bad day, they deserved to lose but they really did win and only lost due to a bad call.

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

The only way I can describe today is 'typical tech' it's time after time we get some momentum, get ranked, and come out flat. We were road dogs as a ranked team vs an unranked team and come out flat. What the hell does this team need to get motivated, these coaches need to get motivated? All around Roanoke today I heard people saying "typical tech"...until we can win the games we should, we will be typical tech

1-0 every week

This is why we a joke to in state kids

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If Fuente could just give one flash of scrutiny of Cornelson I would feel a lot better that he is truly giving the players the best coaches he can get instead of his bestie Oklahoma born and raised QB brother from another mother

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I have had the fire Fu mentality for 2 years. I don't think it's the best approach. If he tosses Brad.

Ham is great. Smith and other recruiting well

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We were underdogs today and lost on the road by 6. I hate to say it, but that was not that bad of a loss on paper. Certainly not enough to fire a coach. We have 4 straight home games coming up, Fu really needs to win all 4 to regain the fans trust.

12 plays within the 10. 0 points. And this isn't the first totally mismanaged performance. Fu isn't regaining any trust from the fans. Winning the next four games wouldn't do it. That's a big ask anyhow.

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If we win the next 4 which include ND and Pitt, a lot of ppl would overlook today....I dunno maybe I would even. Winning the next four gives us the inside track for the coastal and if we win the coastal somehow Fu is not going anywhere.

Tbh I don't even want Fu gone, I want that inept idiot he has as an Offensive Coordinator gone...and add Jafar Williams who has done less with more highly rated players (rankings wise) than we've had in years to include the Ford and Cam years. Tre Turner was .93 recruit and four years later he still has trouble creating separation off the line. We've done a good job of developing OL, TE, and DB's...hell I think RB's have improved. But we've done a poor job of developing our WR's so it's no wonder that position so much attrition to the portal.

If we win the next four, EVERYONE overlooks the WVU loss.

IT START SNOW.

If we win the next four, EVERYONE overlooks the WVU loss.

No. Just like I refuse to overlook ODU and Liberty, I will not overlook this loss if VT wins the next four games.

#MakeVTFootballFunAgain

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Fine.

I'll be with all the other Hokies, celebrating our win over Notre Dame.

Not that I'm expecting this to happen.

I'll celebrate too, in fact I'll probably be the drunkest 36 year old frat star at Tots post game (win or lose). Still doesn't excuse ineptitude for the past three plus seasons.

#MakeVTFootballFunAgain

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Those are two different things.

Every time I'm in Blacksburg I celebrate because I'm happy because I'm in fucking Blacksburg. Your point that you'll be celebrating a Hokie win over ND like I wouldn't is flat out dumb. A win over ND doesn't equal four straight wins and four straight wins doesn't mean we get to put a maroon and orange towel over the piles of dogshit Corny leaves on the rug and pretend they aren't there.

#MakeVTFootballFunAgain

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I'm not saying you'll forget all the horrible losses of the last few years.

What I'm saying is that if Corny comes up with a strategy that beats Notre Dame and Pitt, and the players execute it well enough to win, this comment board will mellow out a bit.

Until the next loss anyway haha

Exactly.

In general I agree. Cornelsen is the real problem. But we've known that since 2018. At this point we have to cut the head off of the snake. If Fuente hasn't fired Cornelsen yet, he never will. Only way to get rid of him is to clean house. Sucks a lot because I like what jham is doing for the most part and I think Fuente is generally a decent guy. But ultimately it is his job to ensure his coaches are doing their jobs. We're paying him and his staff millions of dollars and they just aren't cutting it. This team has shown up unprepared for far too many games. I'm also really sick and tired of reading all about execution. The coaches are getting paid to put players in positions to succeed. If execution errors are consistently holding us back that's on the coaches for failing to set the players up for success. I don't think I've ever heard any other coaching staff blame execution more than this one.

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And now I actually will copy/paste something I said in the other thread that 100% agrees with you, with slight edits:

Anyone at a high level in any organization got there because of the people they've trusted and brought with them along the way. Maybe their subordinates were brought along because they were supremely talented. Maybe they were brought along because they were good people that were trusted. Maybe they were riding coattails. No idea.

At some point, anyone who wants to demonstrate their best capabilities may encounter a decision point where they may have to cast aside the very people that helped them get there - for the good of the organization. That which brought Fuente to this point isn't entirely what will make him successful in his current position.

I'd like to think that this is a hard boundary to cross. From being successful with your guys to realizing that you now need to be successful without your guys in order to take the next step. I can't say I think that Fuente deserves another shot at it at this point because the writing (and recommendations, and evidence, etc) have been on the wall for a few years.

But if Fuente decides to part ways with Cornelsen, then I'd argue that he's crossing that threshold. Friends matter less than success when you have millions (literally) of people that rely on you. It's no longer your internal team that matters most, it's now the extended family. Millions of us. Literally.

And if he makes that decision, then I'm not against giving him the support he'll need to be successful with this new mindset.

This is really well said. I can't really decide if I want to believe that Fuente knows BC isn't worth a damn but feels bad about letting him go and is just trying to cover for him OR if Fuente is genuinely clueless and really believes that BC is doing his job adequately. Either one is bad. If Fuente can't pull the trigger Whit needs to find someone who will

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This is pretty much where I'm at at this point.

The better part of me thinks that Fuente knows the offense is a mess and Cornelsen is an awful coordinator, but is loyal to a fault.

Then the other side of me sees a guy who completely bungles clock management again and again and thinks icing a 58 yd FG makes sense. I'm not sure JF isn't the source of the problem.

That's why I think the logical way to proceed at this point is to fire Cornelson immediately and see if Fuente can produce something better for the rest of '21. If not, it's time to cut bait here.

Which means what will probably happen is nothing at all this year and we will finish in mediocre fashion yet again and then spend most of December debating if Fuente has been bad enough to justify eating the cost of his buyout....rinse and repeat.

We were underdogs today and lost on the road by 6. I hate to say it, but that was not that bad of a loss on paper.

We had a >50% win probability with 2:06 left. That, IMO, is a bad loss on paper.

We have 4 straight home games coming up, Fu really needs to win all 4 to regain the fans trust.

4 straight wins would buy Fuente some leeway, but that doesn't regain fans' trust. That will take years to do.

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As much as I'm not pro-Fuente at this point I don't really think today was a fire-able offense from a head coaching standpoint, at least given the season as a whole with the UNC win.

However even in the two wins the offense's inability to capitalize on meaningful chances or move with any kind of consistency is maddening. That as well as the general body of work over the last 5 years and the clusterfuck in Morgantown is 100% a fireable offense for Cornelson to me. He just needs to be gone:

I'm so sick of this G5 offense. Even with the overall recruiting woes, this offense has never lacked the talent (outside of RB) to be at the very least respectable at any point during CornFu's tenure and yet there has only been like one time (2016, maybe half of 2019) that it wasn't a complete joke. Herbert really bailed them out from being a laughingstock last year too, the passing game was still a complete joke but Herbert was such a beast he covered up for it a lot. It's long past time to nuke it.

Well said

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As much as I'm not pro-Fuente at this point I don't really think today was a fire-able offense from a head coaching standpoint, at least given the season as a whole with the UNC win.

If it was played in a vacuum, you might have a point.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

The result itself isn't fireable, but he's getting pid big money to win games. Its not going to get much easier than 1st and goal on the 3 with a minute left, touchdown wins it for you.

If you can't win in that situation when the hell can you? Only against shit competition or when the defense plays literally a perfect game (UNC)?

And when they decided to run the read option on the goalline, did they forget that Connor Blumrick existed?

IMO, for one game the ODU game was fireable. Ive said that before on here- I honestly felt Whit could have sent a positive message there to the fans and the team- like USC just did with Helton. They announced to the world they aren't accepting medicority and coaching meltdowns. Worse case, give Bud as shot as interim coach and take your chances. I don't think any other one game is, though and certainly not saturday. The team did not quit, JHAM made some great adjustments, and it's still early in the season.

How about Jeff Grimes being a better oc than our current guy

I would love to have Grimes here as OC. Physical, aggressive, makes it work with 3 star talent, has coached big time schools. Would be a home run.

He's Texas-raised through and through, he's not leaving Baylor to come to VT despite the B12 crumbling.

And to be frank, he just came off a season where his star pupil became the #2 overall draft pick. He has better options.

If we're taking a swing at a new coach, regardless of how realistic it would be I'm all for Chris Peterson, Stoops, Venables, Bill O'Brien, or Lane Kiffin

Go for it

Venables is the only one on that list that would answer Whit's phone call.

Just to laugh?

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Yes to those except O'Brien

Those are all big names. None of those are gonna go for us with USC out there and likely Florida State and maybe LSU depending on what Coach O does the rest of the way.

Lane Kiffin?!

(Insert, Am I taking crazy pills? gif)

Chris Peterson would be the football equivalent of landing Buzz x10000.
Bob Stoops - Not happening; his dad had a heart attack while coaching. No way Bob starts coaching again.
Mark Stoops - Possible, but I don't think it's happening. If you're trying to make the most money possible while maintaining the best work/life balance, Kentucky is easily the best job in the country. Stoops probably ain't leaving.
Venables would listen, but I'd wager he doesn't come.
No interest in Bill O'Brien - he's never had to recruit, nor has he won much without great players
No interest in Lane Kiffin - He's a worse cultural fit than Seth Greenburg. Not to mention, he has had a single 10 win season in 8 years of coaching.

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A note about Bill O'Brien - when he was at PSU he had arguably the hardest path to recruiting that anyone ever had. Coming straight off the scandal PSU was both facing suspensions as well as a major stain on the school overall, and he had an administration and boosters that were living in the past. He also didn't like recruiting at all, so he's probably not a great choice for a college head coach anyway.

Having said all that, PSU overperformed during his tenure when considering the mess he was in. I agree he isn't the right call for us but if he wanted to recruit then I think he'd be a great college coach.

Just to be clear, firing Corny as a sacrificial offering to the fan base isn't enough at this point. Knowing Whit and his wilting leadership, that would be enough to buy Fuente another year or two. No thank you.

On the other hand, we were underdogs at an away game, but managed to make a comeback bid that fell just short of winning the game.

Oh, and didn't we miss a field goal that would have had us within 3 points of at least a tie? Didn't our defense spot them 7 points pretty early on?

I get the sentiment, but the Hokies were ranked last week, lost by one score as an underdog, and were at least in this game until the end.

All of that said, it will be interesting to hear French's analysis this week. This could have so easily come out a win. Really sucks to come up just that short. In other words, get back to the coach flaying, if that makes you feel better.

It may well be that part of the problem is perspective.

Yesterday, our offense came close to successfully executing an amazing comeback.

To me, that means we actually have an offense with some level of ability. There have certainly been some past variations of Hokie football in which that comeback would not have been within the realm of possibility. I remember years where if we fell behind there was no way we were ever coming back.

We can argue about a lot of aspects of the offense and what went wrong, but we have one. We also clearly have a defense than can be workable.

Yesterday's loss really stings, and it's pretty clear we aren't where we want to be on offense or defense. But we were in a dogfight for the win until the end of the game.

A lot of folks here, in my opinion, are asking the wrong question. If you're asking "Can we fire Fuente", it's only because you were asking that last year, and the year before.

Like someone else mentioned, this isn't the right time to ask that. No AD in their right mind would do that today. Any AD in their right mind has a short list of coaches that they might want if we need to go that direction by the end of the season. I think I've heard Babcock say as much.

The only two questions I'm asking at this point is "Can we shore up the deficiencies on the offense?" and "Can we shore up the deficiencies on the defense?"

How many times does this have to happen before we say enough?

This is a team that is stagnating under its current leadership. Pretty much every year we win one game that we are underdogs in, but lose 2-3 more that we should easily win.

VT came out flat and wholly unprepared yesterday. There is no excuse for that.

The offense can't be fixed at this point. Six years in and we look less and less like we have a clue. Burmeister doesn't look comfortable at all in the pocket, yet we get platitudes about "this is the best we have ever felt about the passing game." It's nonsense at this point. The playcalling is completely inept.

Add to that the continued bonehead in game decisions and awful clock management. This isn't a regime that can be saved and quite frankly they haven't done anything to deserve salvation.

One can play the game pretending like yesterday was a one-off event and say that's not enough to consider making a change but this is a consistent pattern of poor performances.

Yesterday, our offense came close to successfully executing an amazing comeback.

Thus is pretty laughable...other than some outstanding individual plays in a few key spots, our O was anemic. Plus, they wouldn't have even had a chance to fail to score from the 18 yd line if WVU hadn't absolutely inexplicably thrown the ball on 3rd down.

Pretty much every year we win one game that we are underdogs in, but lose 2-3 more that we should easily win.

Did you have this on your list as an easy win?

My pre-season list had this as a toss-up.

I'm not going to argue with you on the anemic offense. At times, both the offense and defense looked anemic. Yet the reality is that we came close to pulling off a win.

It doesn't matter whether you or I or anyone had this "marked as a win."

We should have won the game. We were the more talented team on the field. Despite how incredibly poorly we played for the entire game Offensively and for a half Defensively, we still were given a chance to win and due to a complete lack of any creativity in playcalling we couldn't even manage to take the gift that was given to us.

Imagine what would have happened if we were actually well-prepared.

That's my standard. Lose to another well-coached team that simply makes more plays than you? Okay, I can live with that.

Not rolling out the "excuse rolodex" to justify losing to an extremely mediocre WVU team.

I'd second everything you're saying with one caveat - three drives that got inside the 5 that resulted in zero points is painful painful painful to watch. One missed chip shot FG and two turnovers on downs.

Besides the two drives that ended in turning over on downs in a 4th and goal, we had another 4th and 1 that we failed to convert. I'd bet that the stats would prove me wrong, but it feels like we are incapable of converting short yardage situations. Like we try to call plays that are designed to get just that one yard we need and we end up meeting the defense in the middle and getting stopped. Every time we line up for Xth and 1 or Xth and 2 I'm just not hopeful.

I completely agree.

Fuente does need to come up with some answers. But I'd say it that way, instead of "Fire him".

See this the attitude I don't like. What has fuente done to get this much loyalty from you? The last 4 years have shown Fuente is a jackass that's in over his head and thinks everything he's says is right. 2018 6-7 with a loss to odu 2019 8-5 and a loss to UVA something that didn't happen since 2003. I'll also argue that if it wasn't for HH or QP and the defense gonna on a crazy stretch in late October and early November of being world beaters we would have been a 6-7 5-7 team at best. And then last year 2020. 5-6 and don't give me oh we had covid wah wah bullshit everyone dealt with it get over that excuse. Also without Herbert they would have been easily a 3-8 team. Stop giving this staff excuse after excuse after excuse man open your eyes. Espically after this year with our back to back terrible recuirting classes it's gonna even worse if fu stays

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I'm just being practical.

We're not firing Fuente this week. That loss doesn't justify it. So it's rather a waste of time and energy to wax on about it and rehash a coach-flaming thread from last year. It's a bad kind of energy that I don't particularly enjoy.

Yes, Fuente's seat is a bit warm. I'm in agreement with many others here that he's a decent coach with an OC loyalty problem. (By the way, Beamer was also afflicted with that problem.) I like the JHam selection, and he really does need more time to develop the defense. But there are a few more games to be played this year, and given how close the WVa game was, there is some good there, even if the offensive playcalling (and the defensive execution in the first half) was lackluster. Seems to me it's still a work in progress, even as we'd like to see a finished product already.

VT was ranked 15th last week, and people were plenty content. VT won against a talented team in Week One, mostly due to a pretty strategic game plan.

One game doesn't really change that. We'll be needing to see some improvement, but Fuente's job wasn't lost in Morgantown.

Its not just about the WVU game.

I'll be honest, I completely soured on him after the Duke game in 2019 when we were dunked on with trick plays already down big by Cutcliffe of all people. When one of the nicest guys in the sport is willing to rub your nose in it during the game, that's a big red flag. To then lose to UVa and Kentucky against a literal one dimensional offense....

I wanted him gone after last year. Last year proved that the only way this team is capable of winning is with talent that overcomes scheme. Herbert was that talent, and as long as we let him do his thing, we would be ok, but the second he was on the bench, we looked awful. Watching us blow it against Liberty when the head genius ices the kicker on a game winning FG 15 yards further than his previous career long and then to finish the year with a losing record and voluntarily breaking our bowl streak? And to top of off raking in some of the worst recruiting classes we've had in a very long time in back to back seasons? The end of last year was the time.

But that didn't happen. And coming into this year we were repeatedly told that things would be different this year. Oh, the offense finally found its groove. The coaches weren't this excited about our passing game since they took over. It was finally turning around! The MTSU game was the warning shot that things might not be as good as we were told, but that's ok we were just holding back the playbook, not ready to open it up, yet. Well, WVU sealed it. There just isn't anything else there. What we see is what we've got. Its not an improvement, there's no special tricks up their sleeves. This is it. With the game and the BDT on the line from the 3 yard line we ran a run up the middle, a shotgun jet sweep, and two passes with neither of them having a shot of scoring. Each play was so obvious that WVU sold out to have more defenders against what we actually ran because nobody respects our misdirection and window dressing anymore.

That's what we are and that's why a change needs to be made. Its not just this game, its not just this season. That game just proved that everything that led to our discontent after last season is still a problem now and, quite frankly, we're tired of the same old song and dance.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Believe me. I understand the sentiment, and it's not really different from last year or the year before.

I think a lot of fans never realized how much rebuilding was needed, or how long it would take.

VT isn't the kind of team that hires a new coach and gets completely rebuilt in a year or two. In looking at Florida State, it occurs to me that maybe no team is.

I'm of the opinion that arriving at the VT football results we want is going to take a lot of patience. Hiring a new coach every three years would take longer as a team re-build than showing an extreme amount of patience with one coach. Will we get there with Fuente? I don't know. But at the end of last year, we gave him another chance. I intend to give him that chance. We need to see some improvement, but I'm not expecting a dramatic change in one game, and wasn't when the season started.

I am concerned, mostly because of our lack of QB depth. I really wish Hooker hadn't decided to move on, because we may well be a different team if he were anywhere in the lineup. Burmeister might be a different player if he had a serviceable backup.

Its Year 6 and the issues are only becoming more pronounced rather than less.

Look, I completely understand that a rebuild needed to happen, but. I mean its Year 6.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

No AD in their right mind would do that today.

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Maybe USC has a different dynamic, but I think we're better off this season with an actual head coach.

which is exactly why we should can Fuente....he's not an actual head coach

and I completely disagree with your premise of this offense making a comeback and therefore being decent. The only reason we were remotely close at the end was because our defense played lights out in the second half (allowing only 3 points) and Burmeister, Turner, Blackshear et. al. played hero ball. Our biggest plays in the second half were broken plays where the players just willed themselves to huge first downs and TDs despite the pedestrian (to put it nicely) play calling. Our almost comeback had much, much more to do with the players fighting hard for everything they could than any kind of gameplan from the coaches.

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In spite of the commentary here, Fuente is a head coach.

I like that this team has some fight. That is often what wins games.

There were points GIVEN away by the defense in the first half. And there were points left on the field by Burmeister and the kicker.

If this team stops giving away points, and accepting the points that are there, they likely win the Coastal.

the interim head coach at USC is still a head coach. What's your point?

Yes, this team has fight and that is encouraging. But that won't win games alone. And to your final point, winning the coastal isn't much of an accomplishment. I'm pretty sure a donkey could win the coastal, especially this year. It is by far the worst division in the P5. Winning the coastal isn't going to make me feel good about this coaching staff. Especially if we do so largely on the coattails of JHam's defense. His defense is already way better in year two than Corny's offense is in year 6. That should tell you all you need to know.

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Winning the coastal isn't going to make me feel good about this coaching staff.

I don't think Tech's winning the Coastal, but if they go undefeated in ACC play that would make me feel different than limping to a win that's settled by a 3-way tie.

It wouldn't change my outlook on Fuente much though because the recruiting just isn't there.

It still baffles me to this day how Whit emphasized how the Beamer replacement needed to be able to recruit first and foremost only to end up with this staff. Its genuinely impressive they missed the mark this bad on that stated goal.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Whit emphasized how the Beamer replacement needed to be able to recruit first and foremost

Is this documented somewhere? I recall him talking about an offensive mind, and I am sure recruiting was mentioned but i don't recall ace recruiter being criteria 1

Whit said he wanted an offensive guy, I don't recall him specifically mentioning recruiting but we *need* a guy who can close the big recruits, and a staff full of guys who can recruit.

The horse has been beaten and beaten to death but getting guys to come to a small rural college town to play for a program whose big wins are getting further and further in the rearview mirror isn't an easy job.

Fuente was *ostensibly* a QB guru and a good X's and O's guy -- that hasn't worked out.

I would be fine with the next guy being a culture first, recruiting focused guy, and hiring quality coordinators to support him from an X's and O's guy.

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Whits logic was solid. The perception was that we had an outdated offense and a conservative HC, so pair a dynamic offense with Bud Foster, and you can win big. Great logic. The problem was that the offense has done a couple things better- perhaps but it is far from dynamic or above average- especially against peer/good teams. To go with that, we have not recruited well enough on defense to offset the transfers/attrition so you have 2019-2020 where the defense was flat awful. That does not equate to winning, much less elevating the program post Beamer.

Agreed, I have no issue with the thought process behind hiring Fuente.

We didn't fill up the staff with guys to cover up for his lack of ability to recruit and Whit may have also whiffed if the whole "Dickey was the true brains behind the offense/QB development" thing is true.

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If you completely forget the 1st 20 minutes of the game, we had fight.

Unfortunately, FB games are 60 min long...

I would expect a team that has "GRIT" on their helmets to come out focused and sharp from start to finish, otherwise it's just lip service.

That's a big what if being posed in year 6

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Sept on it: so much has been said already. Full disclosure...I like Fuente. I loath CornFlakes. He definitely needs to go. He is not a bad OC. He is not a good OC. He is an okay OC. He doesn't possess the "sixth sense" to do what Bud did all his years and quite frankly what JHam did in the second half - Intellectual, "real time" adjustments. Not addressing ๐ŸŒฝ last offseason was Fuente's biggest mistake and, as others have stated, may cost him his job.

The sad thing is, with the buyout so high I'm not sure he has to care if it costs him his job.

True....true.

I think Fuente should stay and would have success here.

Corn Dog (dropping) Nuggets week in/week out makes Fuente look like a much worse coach than I believe he actually is.

If Fuente can pull the plug and give another proven OC a shot, I think we'd be very happy.

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I have felt this is the solution for a couple of years now and it just seems to be another of Fuente's can't read the room situations to me.

His loyalty is great but I feel it is going to be loyalty to a fault and cost him his job and all the work he has done to help the program in the other areas off the field.

100% agree. IIRC blind loyalty almost did Frank in a couple of times.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Loyalty is an admirable quality and he certainly has it. But I would say his loyalty is absolutely misplaced. Who he should be the most loyal to is his players, not his coaches. That's what is so frustrating. These kids are relying on him to set them up for future success. These kids want their dreams to come true. They want wins and stats that will be noticed by NFL scouts. They aren't professionals, they aren't middle aged adults being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. Protecting a buddy and well paid adult employee at the expense of his players is so frustrating to see. Why can't he make a business decision that will better our entire organization (player development, wins, athletic dept, donors, fan excitement, etc)?

TLDR: I want Coach Fu to succeed. I hope he changes up where is loyalty lies.

fire cornelsen, bring in Holmon Wiggins as WR coach/OC (alot of money but worth it i think), bring in a QB coach who will actually work with QBs and not spend time drawing up dog shit plays

I see a lot of trying to rationalize why we should hang on to Fuente this morning, that yesterday wasn't that bad, etc. In a vacuum, any one loss isn't the end of the world. But when taken in the context of his tenure as VT HC, it's the same old same old we have come to expect from this staff. Yesterday's frustration isn't necessarily because we lost, it's how we lost. Looking completely inept for a half of football, charging back only to be completely unable to do anything in the red zone. If it were a back and forth game, it's one thing. But you can't point to the final score and say nothing is wrong.

Fu better hope he can go on a run and win the division. The money from the Reach campaign is not coming online to finance 7 win seasons. Unless he somehow wins the coastal and finishes with 8-9 wins, I think he is gone at the end of the season.

I'm fine with continuing with Fu if he has a mea culpa and makes some hard choices for himself and lets his butt buddy go. Send a message to everyone, especially the fan base. Instead, I woke up and didn't see news that Cornballs had been tossed out to the deer feeder. The apathy will continue.

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Unpopular Opinion: I actually like Fu and think given the correct resources, he could further our program. He seems to be a good cultural fit for Blacksburg, a good mentor of men, runs a clean program. All things I consider valuable. Current players seem to like him. Recruiting has improved. His loyalty is his fault. Everyone knows by now who the weak links are (Corn and Williams) on his staff. It's like I tell my son with his study habits at school, Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I think this is where Hokie Nation is at. I think Hokie Nation has given Fu enough time to work with the current staff. It's just not working out offensively. If I underperformed at my job for years, I wouldn't expect my boss to keep me even if he were a nice guy. We are all adults here and college football is a business. I think Hamilton has already proved his worth and you can see halftime adjustments in each if his games this year. Keep him, keep the defensive staff, heck, keep the special teams staff. If Fu has the courage to make changes to his offensive offensive staff, I think we really could have a great thing going in Blacksburg. Here's to hoping Fu can recognize what isn't working and make the changes needed. I for one would like to see what this team would look like with better OC/QB/WR coaching under Fu instead of cleaning house and starting fresh. Go Hokies!

I agree with pretty much everything you've said. The only real difference between your view and mine is that I'm jaded and I just don't believe Fuente has what it takes to fire Cornelsen. I don't envy his position. Firing someone you've worked closely with for years can't be easy. But if it was easy more coaches would do it. Fuente might be blinded by faithfulness to his old buddy. Fuente might be too nice and just doesn't have the GRIT required to make the tough decisions. Or maybe Fuente doesn't actually think there's anything wrong. Either way, he's not the right man for the head whistle if he can't set his coaching staff up for success. If Cornelsen isn't gone by Monday Fuente should be.

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I'm jaded and I just don't believe Fuente has what it takes to fire Cornelsen

This is the whole point, and the answer is that he doesn't. If he didn't fire Corny after Jerry Kill tried to open his eyes to it, then he simply will not ever fire Corny. So even tho I would love to keep Fu and the entire defensive staff and just jettison Corn and Jarfar, it is never going to happen.

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If there was a way to fire Corn and leave everybody else, I would do that.

I don't want to start over and be in this annual churn of coaches like almost every other team has gone through after replacing their legendary coach.

I like Fuente as a person and I think if we had a competent OC, this team would be really good this year. I LOVE what we have on the defensive staff and dont want to lose Hamilton.

My concern is Fuente's lack of action with his staff. Why doesn't he step in and take over call playing duties or make a change with his OC 2 to 3 years ago? I don't get the vibe that Fuente is busy with trying to close on recruits that would keep him away from calling plays. Jimbo is still calling plays at A&M. Franklin fired his OC after one bad year. Ohio State took play calling duties away from their DC early in the season. He's got to get past friendships and make hard decisions.

What is Corn bringing to the table that cannot be replaced? He's not a lead recruiter. He hasn't built any type of identity on offense. There has to be options out there with much better resumes...

People have said it a bunch on here, but Fuente should stay. He seems like a real good dude and as much as the recruiting/play calling need to improve, the players seem to really like him and there's been no doubt the effort coached into the players is there.

IMO, get him a more gunslinging OC who can balance out Fuente's over-conservative nature. Toss Cornelson and make a statue of him at the bottom of War Memorials pool to show he was always in over his head. (Somewhat /s)

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I'm sure Fuente is a good guy, and at a certain level you have to respect his commitment to Corny. But at the end of the day, this is a business and being a nice guy sometimes isn't enough. Eventually you need results, and the bad results are just overshadowing the good ones.

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Fair points. But my thoughts are that the HC should be more of a culture/recruiting/overall game planner. I'm
Not saying Fuente is blameless for some of the past years struggles but the "results" of wins and losses are not all that a Head coach should be evaluated against. The best thing Frank ever did was establish a good culture and work ethic rather than any individual wins and losses. Granted those wins came with the culture but it's a bit of a chicken egg situation

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First play: 9 vs 10 run with one receiver and one DB out of the play. Box was loaded there was no way a run works there. Throwing a fade to one of the tight ends probably does.

Second play: 8 vs 9 run, this time two receivers are split out. WVU clearly playing all run d all the way here. Looked like a bad read from Burmeister, he could've pulled it out and got a few yards or tried to throw it.

Third play: WVU rushes 5 drops 6, clearly playing pass all the way, and they were right. Pass block is abysmal and BB almost gets sacked.

Fourth play: Probably the worst. They rush 4 drop 7. Tech has SEVEN (!?!?) pass blockers, but they can't stop the rush because its a rollout (๐Ÿค”). So its 3 receivers vs 3 dbs playing man and 3 guys playing zone/spying the QB (because they don't have receivers to cover). The extra defender gets to rush and almost gets the sack.

The last play alone could have its own discussion but in general that was probably the most predictable set of play calls possible. After first down was a run, it became clear the next three would be run, pass, pass. And the defense clearly knew that

After yesterday it's impossible to look at the offensive staff and think nothing has to change. OC and WR coach don't seem to be cutting it - and we have plenty of talent at the skill positions.

Let's say we Fuente is retained but we hire a new OC. Does the new OC bring in his own offense scheme or would he be taking the reins of the current playbook with potentially better play calling?

Year 6 and the playcalling has not improved. Neither has the playbook.

Does anyone remember 2017 vs Georgia Tech? 3rd and 1 from the 30 with a minute left, down 6. We make a throw deep to the endzone, incomplete. 4th and 1 now. We do the SAME THING, incomplete. Mind boggling. What has changed since then? Nothing. We had an okay 2017 overall, but that was because we were practically starting an NFL defense.

People talk about how the game vs. Liberty turned them against the staff. Or the game vs. ODU. Or getting destroyed by Duke. Or losing the streak to UVA, etc, etc.

But they lost me a long long long time ago. I've been among the doubters since year two. Specifically, I remember the Georgia Tech game, but there were others too. It is an FCS coaching staff with an FCS playbook that can only work if you have absolutely perfect execution and top level talent (i.e. why it kind of worked in year one).

Funny thing is, the division is winnable. If they can pull that off, i'm sure that will extend their careers (maybe we'll extend the contracts again too...). I'll take another year of Fuente if we can make it back to Charlotte. But I'd be surprised if we ever do better than winning the coastal under this staff. I mean the main reason that is so feasible is that the division is so bad.

If we don't win the coastal this year, Whit is gonna have some decisions to make. I'm sure he won't do anything yet, and honestly I don't think he'll do anything after the year, unless we really fall off.

Does anyone remember 2017 vs Georgia Tech? 3rd and 1 from the 30 with a minute left, down 6. We make a throw deep to the endzone, incomplete. 4th and 1 now. We do the SAME THING, incomplete.

I actually liked those play calls. The strength of that team was the receiver room. We tried to put the ball in the hands of our best players. The running back room was not good that year. JJ was not a mobile QB. The OL wasn't great. I think that was the right play call at the time.

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We usually agree, but I do not agree with this at all. Superior programs get a yard when they need a yard, they don't throw low percentage passes up twice.

I can get behind taking a shot on 3rd and 1, but when it's 4th and 1 with the game on the line you have to have a better play call than low % downfield pass.

2017 GT is one of the worst coached football games from start to finish I've ever seen in terms of situational decision making and offensive play calling/strategy.

Wasn't that the one where Fu was so concerned about clock management that it crippled all of his decisions?

There's only been one of those???

Wasn't that the game where GT only completed like 2 passes which were for long TDs?

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LMAO- yep. One of PJ's worst teams and we still couldn't beat them.

Same. I want to go back through my comments and find the first time I call out sus play calling

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2016 Syracuse was the 1st time.

1st Half scored a whopping 3 points on a Syracuse D that finished 4-8 and gave up 50+ pts 4 times that year.

This weekend was definitely a Syracuse-esque loss.

At that time though we were all too happy to be beating teams like BC 49-0 to get too upset.

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What i just can't get out of my head is that, once they settled down/ got their heads right, i saw a bunch of kids, from reasonably to extremely talented, playing their fucking guts out, and a coaching squad that was simply unable to answer their hunger, fight and determination with.... anything, really. (Jet sweeps to the boundary deep in the red zone do not count as "anything").

I feel like those kids got hung out to dry, really. *Something* has to change.

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Watching the Ravens tonight in the red zone makes me dream. QB who is fast and a good runner, questionable passer (say below average). Yet they have the Chiefs on their heels with the play calls. Looks like a pass, but Jackson rolls out and makes the defender commit. Will pull down and run or pass if the defender comes up. Simple, yet lethal. Maybe our OC can take some tips from watching a professional design plays for his players talents.

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I honestly believe that the thinking behind the play calling on the goal line was that we would score too soon and leave time on the clock. If that is indeed the case, there should be hell to pay.....

Maybe it was because I was fighting stomach flu all day, but I kind of expected that to happen. Felt like we were running into a (very dull) buzz saw and would find a way to muck it up, which we did. Feel like we have a better chance against ND at home, so idk.

Not a fan of firing the head whistle after three games. I do want to see a reset at WR and OC though.

For now, I'm just going to continue to enjoy the season, hopefully we get it turned around like in 2019. Cheers.

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Honestly, this game/loss didn't move the needle for me. But that's because I've pretty much seen Fuente as a lame duck since Liberty. The situation just sort of is what it is. I can only hope that with time as the buyout decreases that Whit can find the money and the right replacement to justify a move. But in the meantime I think we have to harden ourselves that we're stuck for now, and I'm not going to rant every time this shit happens.

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Jet Sweep

Sadly, this is almost exactly the way I feel too. Liberty was not the killer for me. When we dropped to 4-6 last season was when I threw in the towel, but in general ...

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Yep. I had no outpouring of negative emotion after this game. I shared a brief lament to my buddy beside me in the car as we watched the offense squander our final possession in their RZ, and then it was over and I chose to enjoy my Saturday. This wasn't a surprise to me, but an expected outcome for the previous 3 seasons and now this one. If I were to be wildly upset after this game, as if it was some kind of shocking result, then perhaps that would reflect that our standard in recent years has been higher and these results are unacceptable in relation to that, but they simply aren't. This is exactly the kind of team we've been since about midway through 2017.

However, that doesn't mean I'm okay with what's happening, and it doesn't mean I'm okay with losing to WVU in such gruesome fashion with multiple wasted RZ opportunities to win. It means I can only allow myself to be so upset about an outcome that has become more of an expectation than a system-shocking abnormality for the current state of this football program. That for me is the bigger indictment of the larger situation, beyond the individual bad play calls or result of any one game.

All of this right here. A lot of people are going to see this thread and think that I was super pissed off after watching the game the other day. I wasn't. I turned it off, bumped the other thread just because I was in a devious mood (admitted as much in the GDT) and then saw Joe locked it and asked to start another, so I did, basically continuing the convo from last time. Other than that, I had a pretty good remainder of the weekend, spent some time playing with the kids, ran a few races on F1 2021, it was good.

My opinion of this situation has not changed since the Liberty game last year. I don't want this staff coaching this team anymore, and I have seen nothing from anyone involved since then to lead me to think otherwise. My anger of the situation occurred after the season with that debacle of a press conference called to announce Fuente wasn't going to be fired, and to essentially hear the official stance from the athletic department is that our opinion doesn't matter because we don't give enough money. At this point, without some major changes made, and made soon, that is going to probably be the moment that I look back on and admit that is when I emotionally checked out on VT football in the big picture.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

I was hoping you wouldn't, mostly because I didn't want to deal with the fallout. My advocation was from a "don't bump old threads" point of view. ๐Ÿ˜‚

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Kind of there too as far as no emotion. I want to see changes at OC before I'm ready to blow it all up.

On the flip side, I wish I got paid millions of dollars just to beat Pitt, Duke, GT, Miami, UVA, and UNC every year.

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We haven't beaten all of those teams in his tenure, though. Multiple losses to GT. 45-10 at home to Duke. Multiple thumpings from Pitt. Losses to UVA, Miami, and UNC

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

Perhaps I should've put an /s in there. I was joking that he gets paid to beat those dumpy teams (and win the coastal) and he can't even do that.

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Gotcha. Needed more coffee.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

On the flip side, I wish I got paid millions of dollars just to beat Pitt, Duke, GT, Miami, UVA, and UNC every year.

I mean at this point its more like being paid millions to lose to the likes of ODU, UVa, Duke, Wake, BC, Liberty, Kentucky, and WVU every year

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

So what you're saying is what lots of us feel... apathy. Apathy is a killer of a fan base. Just ask myself, former biggest Redskins fan of all time. I finally broke up with them post RG3 era. We gave up family season tickets we'd had since 1960. I gave away signed jerseys, signed super bowl gear, signed memorabilia from Hall of Famers. Literally gave it away for free. I've still got a few bits and pieces left, that has close family ties and it sits in a box in the basement. I couldn't care less about the Redskins / WFT and might casually catch a half of a game of theirs if I'm in a bar somewhere and the TV is on.

If VT keeps up this mediocre nonsense of being a 6-6 team with a coach who has no charisma, apathy is going to pervade the fanbase and the program will nosedive harder and the school will suffer too. Not that Sands seems to care but damn it is depressing.

#MakeVTFootballFunAgain

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I like to compare VT football to Maryland Basketball- I always have as a grad of both schools. When Maryland fans stop calling for Turgeon's job they will be where we are now. And they don't want to be there. Many MD fans want him gone, because he doesn't win in March or win most big road games. And that is a good thing. When Maryland hoops becomes OK with bubble NCAA appearances, that program is in trouble. When VT fans become OK with 7-5, we are in deep doo-doo and we are very close to that point, IMO

Apathy isn't quite right, because I still do care and try to support the team even if I feel the coaching staff is failing the fans and players. As another tkper put it a week ago "Corny being over his head isn't even a hot take anymore, it's just facts". I can only beat that dead horse so many times.

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Totally agree. I think what I truly have is a loss of hope, and hope is a powerful thing for a fanbase. I still care about the team and players and all, but this coaching staff, at least on offense, has removed any reason for hope. So when we lose like on Saturday, I have more apathy to the outcome because it is more aligned with the expectations that Fu and staff have set.

Well I think it has hit apathy for me. I realized it when watching the UNC game. I felt excitement for the team, for the first time in two years. Mostly it was because Lane was packed and it just felt like a true college atmosphere. (I realize covid ruined last year in that regard.)

However, as someone who goes to 3-5 games a year, this year I'll likely only go to one. And I'm not excited to go to more. I'm more intrigued by just fishing and hanging with new friends I've met at the beach. Maybe I'll hit two because my uncle wants me to go to another one, but we shall see. For me, it's apathy....

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You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Blast from the past when it was Beamer and Stinespring. The more things change, the more they stay the same. From SI in September 2010 with full link below.

"The one reasonable criticism of Beamer (besides his questionable late-game management against Boise) is his undying loyalty to offensive coordinator Bryan Stinespring, whose squads have chronically underperformed. This is a ridiculous stat: Virginia Tech hasn't finished higher than 50th nationally in total offense since 2003. I thought for sure the Hokies were going to turn the corner this year, what with a fourth-year quarterback (Tyrod Taylor) and three talented tailbacks (Ryan Williams, Darren Evans and David Wilson), but it was apparent from the opening minutes of the Boise State game that the Hokies' offensive line is a mess. Maybe they'll still get it turned around, but Tech's offensive staff is long past due for an infusion of new blood."

https://www.si.com/more-sports/2010/09/15/heisman-trophy-mailbag

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Coleman just wrote a similar article on TSL and called it the 20 Year Conversation LOL

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Beamer didn't hesitate to can Stinespring as OC as soon as the offense became enough of a problem to sink the team in 2012 though.

We're several years into Cornelsen doing exactly that.

Um...the offense was a joke in the mid-late 2000s and Stinespring wasn't demoted, what are you talking about bro.

We have enough to fight about over current tech affairs, let's not rehash the Stiney conversation. That man took way more heat than he deserved and that's a hill i'll die on

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Is Stiney the best Virginia Tech OC this century?

But now you've also brought Bustle into the conversation and surprise everybody hated him too

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Fuck no it's Cornelson and not even close. But that just shows what how bad the OC's have consistently been

Disagree. Go back and look at some game tapes when we dominated teams on the ground. "Passing more" doesn't mean a better OC.

"Passing more" doesn't mean a better OC.

If it did, I think Loeffler would win this debate. He had the most comprehensive passing structures of the three. WR play improved dramatically from Stinespring to Loeffler and has fallen off again with Cornelsen. Loeffler was a step up from Stinespring in many ways but he was also lacking in some departments where I think Stinespring was better (recruiting, teaching). Cornelsen, I think, has ridden the coattails of Daryl Dickey into a role with VT but he hasn't done anything to indicate that he's not the combination of Stinespring's and Loeffler's weaknesses. He doesn't recruit well. Allegedly can't break down film. Hasn't developed a single QB. Struggles with in-game adjustments. Play-calling leaves quite a lot to be desired. I recognize that finding good, talented coaches is difficult but it is absolutely amazing to me that VT has totally whiffed on offensive coaches for 2 decades. Every time we think there's no way to do worse, we do worse. It's astounding. We've done great with defensive coaches, though.

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He doesn't recruit well.

I don't think that's completely fair. He helped bring in 4 4* QBs (with Orji potentially being another one if he gets his expected bump)

I'm not sure where you're getting your information. Based on what I'm seeing he is responsible for 2 3star recruits with an average rating of 87.38. That's not exactly a great track record. Even if he "helped" bring in Patterson and Hooker, the fact he couldn't help them develop or keep them on campus long enough for them to mature means that either they were misses or he can't coach them up.

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247 isn't accurate, BC was at least a secondary recruiter for every QB that has signed here.

The rest of your post is completely fair.

Everyone likes to pile on stinespring, but I would take the power I with a billy hite back with the ball in the red zone as many times as we screwed the pooch on Saturday in Morgantown. At least the team had some fight, and a play action would draw the dbs out of coverage. Stinespring got a bad rap. Frank played ball control ,tough d and field position football. And it worked a he'll of a lot more than this crap

Frank played ball control ,tough d and field position football. And it worked a he'll of a lot more than this crap.

That's what they're trying to do now, they just don't have a leak-proof defense.

We had way better players back then compared to our competition and played against some trash defenses. Stiney never coached an offense as bare as the 2018 and 2019 years. And when he didn't have elite talent in 08 and 12 the offense finished 90th and 83rd

Yeah, this is a bad take. Stinespring was the subject of fans' ire for the better part of a decade before he was replaced. If anything, his late dismissal and replacement is proof of how hard it is to actually hire good coaches. I think Loeffler was a far more savvy Xs and Os guy than Stinespring but Lefty couldn't adequately teach the players. I said in another comment somewhere that I think finding coaches who are good teachers is incredibly important and oft overlooked. Finding someone who understands the fundamentals of the sport AND is a great teacher is difficult but necessary for success. For whatever reason VT has done really well with that on the defensive side of the ball and horrendously poor on the offensive side for over 2 decades ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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I don't know for sure, but sometimes I wonder if it's been a problem since Bruce Arians graduated

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I'm guessing you were new to VT football in 2012?

There was a long-running firebryanstinespring.com site, he was a problem for years prior to his firing.

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Lol, I remember that shit

Didn't somebody buy and hold out the rights the that web name?

I vividly remember several blogs and online petitions dedicated to exactly that. I believe they first became popular and took hold around bowl season in 2006.

Illinois Hokie did

Unfortunately, that user hasn't posted since the end of the 2019 season.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Yes, this. The proprietor of firebryanstinespring.com is one of our own.

Listening to his Monday presser. It's like the staff isn't taking any accountability for the loss. How many times do we have to do this....

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

accountability? For the coaches? That's the most ludicrous crap I've ever heard.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

I couldn't bring myself to listen in.

I could feel the bullsh** spin coming from a mile away:
"we were so close."
"Just a play or two"
"Great effort, just fell short"

There was zero chance of getting an insightful discussion of what went wrong or why certain decisions were made.

Accountability and Fuente don't belong in the same Zip Code.

It's amazing the differences between how big time college football programs respond to media scrutiny versus VT. You have Ohio State that basically reassigns their defensive coordinator after two games and intense scrutiny, then you have VT who puts on the spin cycle, deflects any blame, insults the media/fans knowledge of what's happening during the game and basically says you have no idea what you are talking about.

We are trying to come off like Bama without anywhere near Bama-like results to back it up.

I've just become sick of the condescending attitude from this staff that they are infallible and that we are too ignorant to see their genius in what they are trying to do. Saban is the only coach in the country with the cred to say something like that to fans or media. And honestly I think when he does snap at media, it's calculated to keep him team motivated and honest. Other big time programs make changes to stay proactive and keep the fan base and media on their side. Those are programs that have actual expectations of winning and standards to uphold. We allow bad situations to fester and get worse until it's too late, totally disengaging and turning off everyone in the process.

How in the world Fuente has had all of the leverage against VT (buyout, staffing decisions, etc) is beyond me. It feels like we are being held hostage and gaslighted at this point. I think he's daring Whit to can him.

We are trying to come off like Bama without anywhere near Bama-like results to back it up

friggin THIS. Fu's been over here acting like he's Nick Saban with a fraction of the results, and none of the hardware.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Fraction of the results? Shit, Saban pulls this crap after losing a hard fought battle to someone like UGa or Clemson. Fuente is pulling it after dropping a WTF loss against ODU or Liberty

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

yeah but he beat Ole Miss that one time

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I think he's very much daring Whit to challenge him. It would be amazing if he would show some balls like this in his on-field coaching.

Although I think we would all be quite a bit more brazen if we had $10M coming our way if we were fired in the next 3 months.

At this point, he's made it clear that he won't even consider firing Corn, so they both just need to go.

Fire the entire O staff then, let JHam be interim HC and move on. Quite honestly, the sooner the better because we are gonna be have Miami as a competitor in any coaching search soon...Manny is 100% done with a loss to the Hoos in 10 days. Start the search early.

I was all for letting JF finish the season if for no other reason than to reduce the buyout but the unmitigated and completely unearned arrogance is just fucking overwhelming at this point. GTFO.

Manny is 100% done with a loss to the Hoos in 10 days.

I don't know when it starts but there's a lot of Coastal jobs opening up soon and I don't think we're near attractive compared to Miami, GT, Duke (hopefully we're more attractive than Duke). Mack Brown can't have that many more seasons left, Narduzzi isn't trending up. I mean the only coach I really see staying for a while is Bronco.

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I think Collins will probably get 1 more year at GT.

Cutcliffe, who knows, but if we are having to fight off Duke for the same candidates, that is some seriously bad shit.

But Miami is 100% ready to Axe Manny...a friend is very well-connected with a couple UM donors and they are getting money together.

I would have agreed with you about Geoff last year and I thought he was a good hire initially but he's turned into a walking meme I think if he doesn't shut his mouth he could easily get the axe at the end of the year (no idea the financial aspect of this to weigh against tho).

Cutt is 67(8?) now and his teams look awful. The only reason he sticks around is because its Duke and they don't have much football expectation anyway.

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Look, we may not be what we used to be, but I believe the ONLY team that you could even argue is more attractive than us in the Coastal is Miami. I'd listen to you tell me about UNC for a second, and then slap you.

Georgia Tech doesn't have too much recent success but it's also dead center of prime east coast recruiting. Turning that program into a good recruiting school is an easier job than VT

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Cut the cord.

Fire him now.

He doesn't have a clue.

Ironing out the minutua???? Are we even talking about football anymore? How about this...get some first downs and score some fucking points!!!!

I would argue that Mike Locksley can't coach his way out of a paper bag- just look at his career record- its a joke. he took over a complete mess at Maryland, including a player death and abuse allegtions. BUT he moved the ball at will against this WVU team- no issues. Does Maryland have more talent on offense than VT? I don't think so.

Maryland for the last five years has been really good in their September games, and shit the rest of the time - and this goes back all throughout the Lockesley/Canada/Durkin years. I think this year we just underestimated how WVU would play after losing the better half of their co-defensive coordinator this offseason (because of the Maryland game) - as fans, but more importantly, the coaching staff too.

I'm not trying to be an apologist - I still think there is a top 25 program in this team at the moment, but man I hope this is the wake-up call for Fuente and Cornelsen. The weird part is, the offensive criticism is eerily similar to the Philadelphia Eagles under Jalen Hurts:

- Most throws are around the line of scrimmage, and short...
- Missing the middle of the field and intermediate targets...
- Doing well on deep balls, but not enough to keep people honest...

So I don't think these criticisms are limited to just us, or even just the NCAA. The difference is I have a lot more faith in Pederson/Sirianni and co. to adjust the gameplan than I do Corn/Fu.

I felt the same way watching the Birds yesterday. The gameplan was bad and the adjustments just were not there.

But I'm willing to give the coach in his 2nd game and the QB starting just his 6th game a little bit of slack, because I do think Nick Sirianni can be a good coach. My mind is already made up on Fuente and Corn.

WVU is historically HORRIBLE on the road and that game was in College Park.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

reading between the lines there it is pretty clear that Fuente thinks the players just didn't execute. I patently disagree but whatever. I don't know if it will happen in 2021, or 2023, or 2100 but whenever Fuente leaves I'll be happy about it. That type of attitude isn't going to win anything.

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If FU thinks the players can't execute that falls on him. He (staff) recruited them and is coaching them. All goes back to the big whistle! No more excuses from FU. This team will be lucky to win 4 more games this season and become bowl eligible (which I would not want them to go bowling if they do win 6). I was so excited to have FU come to tech now I'm so excited to see him go!! If he cannot see how bad the play calling , receiver coaching, and QB coaching is he should get out of football all together......I still believe in the kids but they have no leadership!!

I think I already shared my opinion about a quote like this in the OP

But the problem is, Fuente has hitched his wasgon ride or die with this man, so at the end of the day, the only way Cornelson gets canned, it's because Fuente was fired, first. Well, I've seen more than enough, if that's what needs to be done, I'm ready to make that move.

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

Fu needs to decide whether he wants to be Virginia Tech's Head football coach, or Brad's buddy. He's reached the point where he can't do both any longer and this right here tells me he's made his own decision.

Whit has to present him with an ultimatum: figure it out on offense, or put your house on the market and find someplace else that will accept this bullshit.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

Say what coach - no one is better at giving our guys a chance to be successful than brad in the same paragraph with ''we've got to get better at that'' twice. Coach fu is it black or is it white. So we're down to double talk to cover his buddy's incompetence.
I'd still like to see fu succeed but if he is joined at the hip to siamese twin corn out with both of them. So the rest of the season is cheering the players on, shaking my head over boneheaded play calling and praying for a REAL press conference next december 15. I'm starting to feel like a dysfunctional fan but GO HOKIES and MAKETHEMOVE.

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I feel that if CJF didn't jettison BC after having Jerry Kill open his eyes, then it simply won't happen until both are jettisoned, sadly.

If this is how he really feels, he needs to take play calling duties away from Corn and let him focus on what he is supposedly the best at, ironing out the minutia.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

They pretty much never have. Rare occasions

Free Hugh

We're long past-due for a massive staff shakeup on Offense.

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"How much do you want for Saban?"

Me asking the Bama fans, as I left our VT gathering Saturday afternoon. They chuckled and expressed their sympathies for us.

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Outside of loyalty and excuses I can't think of one thing Fuente does well.

Which unit has improved under his leadership? None.

Does his scheme give us an advantage? No.

Does his game management give us an advantage? No.

Does he coach his coaching staff? No.

Does he recruit at a high enough level where scheme becomes irrelevant? No.

Does he develop players such that they make to the NFL? No.

He was hired to build an offense that would go with Foster's defense. He has failed to do that.

What is the value in keeping him vs the value of moving on to the next era?

If I were a defense attorney assigned to defend Fuente, I wouldn't have much to rely on.

Outside of his buyout, I don't see why Whit hasn't pulled the trigger.

If it isn't done after this year (assuming they don't rebound in a MAJOR way), I'll be done with Whit too.

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I am so conflicted - I am completely and utterly done with Fuente. There is nothing else he can do this year that will convince me that he's the right guy for the job. The rest of our schedule is 'meh (UNC clearly the best team we will play - not sold on ND) so even if he goes 11-1 (highly doubtful, BTW) nobody will be able to convince me that he's taking VT to great heights.

I want VT to win the rest of the remaining games. I'm going to watch and root for the Hokies to do just that every week. I'm not expecting VT to win but I certainly want them to.

At the same time, I know that if he wins 8 games he's likely here to stay. Even if he wins 6 or 7 I'm not convinced he'll be shown the door. I think it'll take a complete and total collapse for Whit to fire Fuente and that really saddens me. As many others on here have said, I too am at the point of apathy. I root for the team to win but I don't really care that much whether they win or lose. It's not a nice place to be but I'm just tired of caring and getting disappointed 6+ times a season.

I want VT to win out. I want Fuente gone. I realize that I can't have both. What sucks is that I know its very likely I'm not getting either. I'm half way checked out on VT football right now - I'll tune in if I can - but if Fuente is still employed on Jan 1st 2022 I will be fully checked out by next year. That sucks but IIWII

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I disagree. 3rd in the coastal that includes a loss to UVA, and he's outta here. Especially after he beat the best team in the division.

I wish I had your confidence.

I wonder if the people who hold the purse strings, the big money donors, etc. etc. are so used to stability that firing someone who is just mediocre may seem too alien.

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There were serious talks and pressure from boosters after Liberty last year and what derailed it was Whit's replacement plan- not the buyout. The UVA win sort of saved his job, because again if his wish list was available, they would have made a move.

So he had a name (or names) who got cold feet?

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Reads like he had some(one) in mind, but they weren't going to be available for whatever reason.

That makes sense in the context of Whit's bizarre end of year presser -- someone pulled out last minute and/or whoever was the person funding the main portion of the buyout pulled out.

Whit's normally so polished and he looked like he'd boozed until 4AM, woke up 10 mins before the presser and barely knew where he was -- if he'd been preparing all year to fire Fu and hire (whoever) and something changed last minute I think I'd drink my sorrows too.

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Yes in a nutshell. Whit's list didn't perfectly fall into place like it did with Fuente and Young this time

Can say that I've heard this as well. Coaches with options aren't eager to take on a roster rebuild with a speculative recruiting ceiling. Doesn't seem like it was about the money... this time.

I thought Fickell was likely his top target but that didn't work out for a variety of reasons. Freeman possibly but why a DC job would be better than a HC job doesn't make much sense. Tony Elliott is still available now. The notion that his replacement suddenly wasn't available at the end of the season makes me think he was trying to get Arians tbh, but they made the playoffs and went on a Super Bowl run. Arians as a Mack Brown-type bridge would be pretty intriguing but don't see that as realistic.

My only concern about Fickell is his lack of experience outside of Ohio.

He'd have to pull in some guys with VA recruiting experience.

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i have heard on podcasts etc from those "in the know" fickell isn't leaving for a job that isn't along the lines of PSU, OSU, Mich, USC so it's plausible that's what happened wrt whit's press conference.

i would have been ecstatic if fickell was an option but i don't think it is. napier and chadwell would be my choices if a change is made at this point. not sure how realistic either is

Not surprising.

I haven't heard him come up in the USC conversation - so he could be waiting to see if Franklin makes that jump or if Jim Harbaugh finally gets canned at UM (but man oh man would he be public enemy #1 in Ohio if Fickell did that)

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USC's AD was at Cincy after Whit and hired Fickell

Ooh interesting, I did not know that wrinkle.

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personally think it's more likely he goes to PSU after Franklin goes to USC.

bottom line i don't see him ending up in Blacksburg unfortunately

It's hard to tell if Whit had a list of candidates and struck out on all, or if he keyed in on one particular person who suddenly became unavailable at the 11th hour. Not surprised that Fickell is interested in a traditional blue blood job though. You would have thought something like that would be made clear right off the bat so both sides don't waste time.

The timing of his presser (Dec 15) did come right after the Buccaneers won and saved their playoff hopes. They had lost three straight heading into the bye the weekend before and it was very real that Arians might not return if they missed the playoff. Seems like interesting timing, not sure if it was a realistic option or not.

I'll believe it when I see it. Kinda like Fuente's offense. People kept promising me that it was going to show up. I kept waiting. At this point, I don't believe it ever will. I refuse to believe that Fuente will bring a good offense to Blacksburg until I see it. I thought for sure when that press conference was called last December that Fuente was going to get canned. Everyone kept telling me it was going to happen. I kept waiting. At this point, I don't believe it ever will. I refuse to believe that Fuente will be fired until I see it.

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Lol the "we're saving the complex plays for xyz opponent, this is just the vanilla" fans crack me up. There are way less of them lately, but the past few years that's what I kept hearing from many of the people on this site

Free Hugh

I wanted to believe.

I'm 100% in this boat.

I absolutely cannot root for us to lose, especially not to rivals or to lowly schools we shouldn't have any business even sweating out a win.

After UNC, I was of course excited, but I also worried because I knew there was 100% no way that I'd want Fuente here after the end of the year outside of an absolutely miraculous turnaround season that I knew would never come.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

UNC got me excited, MTSU brought me back to earth. We failed to move the ball on MTSU well. Fuente talked about the best passing game we have had yet and we mustered up 300 yds combined against UNC and MTSU.

I think if we win 6-8 games, Whit says Brad goes or you both do in December.

The biggest problem is that even if we won the the national championship this year, we are still in a huge hole because of our recruiting and depth.

Free Hugh

We have a good recruiting class this year, and 2021 is turning out to be underrated. So, I'm not sure I agree with that statement. We will have inexperience, as a fair bit of 4, 5, and 6 year players will leave.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

if we won the the national championship this year

If we folded the program next year, but got a national championship in football this year, it'd be worth it.

Yes and no. Most Nebraska/Miami/FSU fans I've met aren't satisfied that they had short lived dynasties anymore. They're embarrassments now

Free Hugh

I see where you're coming from, but at least they reached the top of the mountain. We hit an avalanche after 3 quarters when we would've seen the peak. Right now it feels like we're toiling in mediocrity at the same level as Miami and slightly ahead of Nebraska while having no championship in the case. We have a good past with a few big bowl wins and some conference crowns, but we have never reached the heights of a Miami and under this regime never will. Don't get me wrong, short of Saban coming in here and doing his thing before heading into the sunset I don't expect us to be the multiple national championships in a short time frame dynasty, but at least one would make this easier than being blue balled and now sliding to where we are.

I don't think Fu wins us a natty, but by not getting rid of Corn, we're struggling to win the division. If he's unwilling to change then he has to go. If he makes an attempt to get better, can Corn, get a more efficient or effective offense, do better in recruiting (so far this year looks promising), then I don't want to throw the baby put with the bath water because we do have good pieces. If Ham had more experience I would basically say chuck em and promote him, but here we are with a few talented coaches, some talented players, but no QB in year 6 (Sorry BB you're a great athlete, but I never get a warm and fuzzy knowing you're on the field next with the game on the line a la Tyrod).

I know I got off on a tangent from my original post and your response, but like many, I'm just frustrated now and I didn't realize how much until I started typing out this essay.

I guess my position is that it's the exact opposite. A national championship under the belt just ups the expectations going forward.

Free Hugh

The past 30 years have proven that it basically takes 3-4 consecutive top 10 recruiting classes to win/compete for a Natty. Our highest recruiting classes are in the 20's. Aint happening until that changes.

I'm not sure I see Fuente keeping his job outside of one of these two scenarios:

  • 10 win season
  • winning the Coastal

I think both are potentially achievable - though if we, say, have a 10 win season but lose to UVA and don't win the Coastal he may still be in trouble. Or, alternatively, if we win the Coastal at 5-3 on some insane tiebreak scenario, combined with some ugly losses... well... ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ

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JHam will get us to the ACC title game. I'm sure we will have some losses, but this defense will keep us in, and help us win games.

EDIT: 8 wins will keep his job, if we win the Coastal, or contending. 4-4 in ACC, or closing out the season on losing streaks, or trending down, he's gone. Has to avoid blowout, or bad losses. #sauces. I'm going to assume with a crappy ACC, that's the rest of our schedule minus Notre Dame.

That being said, if he has a successful 10+ win season, I think Fuente will leave for other opportunities. Then I hope we promote JHam, and hire a new offensive staff.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

That being said, if he has a successful 10+ win season, I think Fuente will leave for other opportunities. Then I hope we promote JHam, and hire a new offensive staff.

This is, in my view, the least likely and also the most desirable outcome. I don't think Fuente has a snowball's chance in hell of winning 10+ games unless he covertly takes over OC responsibilities from BC and manages to drastically improve the offense (hugely doubtful). Even if he does win 10+, I think it's highly unlikely he leaves for something else (I'm certain other ADs around the country will see the red flags).

I'm done with him. Even if he wins out, I won't be excited about VT football until he's gone. But a complete and utter rebuild would be difficult to stomach too - and I have no idea who is out there who VT could hire and who could do better. JHam has shown tremendous promise but he's still wet behind the ears. If I'm Whit, I fire Fuente after he loses two in a row to ND and Pitt, and I kick the tires on JHam as the interim HC for the rest of the season.

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Even if he wins out, I won't be excited about VT football until he's gone

That's a "you" problem then. We go 11-1 and you aren't excited then you never will be with any coach.

Gobble Till You Wobble

I think we all would gladly eat crow if we go 11-1, and see Corn's ugly play calling rear it's head in the ACC title game.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

We do not have the depth to go 11-1. Somewhere along the line our very thin and young depth will rear its head, IMO.

Just to make it clear I also don't believe we'll go 11-1. We're going 13-1.

Gobble Till You Wobble

maybe I'm hedging. Let's revisit this when we're 11-1

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Gobble Till You Wobble

If I'm Whit, I fire Fuente after he loses two in a row to ND and Pitt, and I kick the tires on JHam as the interim HC for the rest of the season.

If he is to go that route, I wish he would do it today. Not entirely based upon the WVU debacle, but a culmination of years worth of ineptitude, with WVU being the straw that broke the camel's back. If there of thought of a midseason firing by Whit, why drag it out? We're likely not going to win the Coastal, and if we do it's a product of the Coastal being garbage, not us being a good, well coached team. The path back to success does not include Fu and Corn, that much is obvious. Let's get heading in the right direction today.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I don't see him surviving a Richmond loss, regardless. If he beats Richmond, Miami and UVA and is competitive for the coastal toward the end of the year, I bet he stays unless Whit's dream candidate reaches out.

Eh, outside of Richmond, I don't see us beating ND or Pitt. Syracuse would then become a toss up. We lose that, he's gotta go in my book. 4 losses, trending down with 4 of the last 5 on the road, he doesn't make it to the Miami game at that point.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

I think ND is massively overrated based on their wins so far. I think ND is going to be 3-2 coming into Blacksburg. I think they lose big to Wiscy this weekend, and then lose again to Cincy.

I think Pitt and BC are going to be toss ups or losses. That depends on injuries for us and them.

Miami it depends on if they continue to implode. They were a bad snap away from losing to Appy State. (Appy's bad snap that caused the safety).

I think Cincy is super overrated

Free Hugh

So we get the battle of which team is more overrated, ND or Cincy?

Yea I guess

Free Hugh

If offense continues to struggle, DeVito can give us some problems. I do not think Cuse is a sure win at all.

I'm all for firing CJF and hiring Ted Lasso, so long as Coach Beard comes with as the OC. They won a national championship at Wichita State. Just think what they could do here.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Just as long as we leave Nate the Great off the coaching staff. We don't need the ego.

Little Bobby Tables told me my signature was false

We Need Roy Kent as DC though, probably my favorite character in the show

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The frustrating part is that it is the same story every year. The offensive coaching staff following the same basic script, coaching to the strengths of the roster, but using the same basic scheme, and continuuing to get decent but not great results. After this many years, it is time to try something new. That could be scheme or player development or both. But that redzone performance and the inconsistency from Corn is unacceptable at this level and after this many years.

When you build an OL like the one we had last year, there should have been a major effort to reload and maintain year over year. And some of the skill position players become good players but plateau in terms of there development. Very few of our players show increased production and consistency year over year for 4 years. Tre and Tayvion are the same players they were last year it seems. Blackshear has taken a big step this year, but there was a significant void to fill with Herbert gone. Holston is one player that gets better each year in my opinion. The RB position group is the only offensive position group that looks improved and efficient.

Player development, scheme, play calling, and/or coaching holding these players and the offense back. A lot of talent is there, but this staff keeps hammering away with their same approach and they keep falling short. You have to try something new. From the outside, the only thing we know that Fuente has done to change it up over the years is to bring in Kill, which helped at least in the near term. And the running game has been better since then. Other than that, it appears Fuente continues to believe in his approach to coaching and managing the program. He has to look at some of these performances, and try things that are substantially different. I think he feels like he is only a little bit off, when in reality he is further away than he realizes.

I think Fuente keeps his job if Tech gets to 8 wins doesn't lose to Richmond, Syracuse, and Duke. Given that he does remain the head coach I think he has to get a new WRs coach and take a long look at a new OC. I'd like to see recruiting continue to improve. Returning to the normal level of 20-30 in the recruiting rankings is the first step and I would like to see them take the next step.

It's Time to go to Work

Fuente isn't allowed to lose to Richmond, Syracuse or Duke.

I honestly hope the conversation between Fuente and Whit at the end of the year (assuming 8+ wins) includes are you replacing Corny or am I replacing you?

I think the problem with this is that Whit knows just enough to know that he doesn't know more about football than Fuente (if he did, then shame on him for hiring him to coach football). Whit kind of has to rely on Fuente knowing whether or not Cornelsen is the right guy for the job.

I think a different tack might be for Whit to compile all of the data that clearly shows this offense has not been effective enough to win the ACC - show Fuente that the offense is not meeting the metrics that Whit expects from this coaching staff and challenge Fuente do convince him of a viable path forward or hit the road.

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Yeah Whit isn't going to straight up give him an ultimatum but he might do something like what you said to inspire a change.

It's Time to go to Work

Look at it this way though.

Whit is the CEO of the Athletic Department. Or perhaps Sands is the CEO of VT and the BOV is the directors and Whit is a C-Suite exec / SVP in charge of a specific division...or whatever, I'm getting sidetracked.

Point is: plenty of companies have leaders (Whit) who have direct reports who oversee things (Fu) that are something that the leader doesn't have experience in. If there's a particular department with a specialty in X that is missing revenue goals/not hitting KPIs or whatever, changes need to happen. And if the fall guy is Corn, and Fu won't do it -- Whit needs to step in.

Sure, the first convo can be like "Hey Fu, your offense stinks what's going on how can we support you? What resources do you need?" But if Fu isn't willing to make changes, Whit has every right and IMO an obligation to force Fu's hand at some point. Or perhaps the writing is all but on the wall and Whit is just working in the background to find a replacement and DGAF how the season ends up because he knows the buyout will drop to a more palatable number in December and he'll be able to pull the trigger.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

The writing is on the wall and Whit doesn't care? That's a goofy story you are trying to sell. Whit wants to win badly and I don't think a single loss this season has made some cataclysmic change. It'll take something much worse for him to decide Fuente is gone regardless.

It's Time to go to Work

What?

Who's selling that story?

I'm saying that its possible that Whit won't force changes within the program because he's already decided that (barring a massive turnaround) Fuente is gone at the end of the year.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

I don't get the impression that Fuente is a dead man walking. The only thing that will make up Whit's mind before the end of the season is likely a loss to Duke, Syracuse, or Richmond.

It's Time to go to Work

In terms of yards/play, the worst VT offense of past decade. It will take a lot to turn this around. And this is following the best yards/play of past decade (Herbert and Darrisaw).

VT YARDS/PLAY:

Year, All Games, FBS Power 5 or BCS AQ
2021, 4.99,4.63
2020, 6.67, 6.62
2019, 5.67, 5.70
2018, 5.87, 5.32
2017, 5.39, 5.04
2016, 5.73, 5.73
2015, 5.33, 4.78
2014, 4.93, 4.67
2013, 5.00, 5.02
2012, 5.19, 5.05
2011, 5.81, 5.76
2010, 6.17, 6.08
2009, 6.20, 6.09

Interesting thing that popped out to me...

Last year's team was almost the complete inverse of 2013.
2020: Offense was the one of VT's all-time best; defense was one of our all-time worse.
2013: Offense was atrocious, but defense was incredible (looking back, maybe one of our all-time best).

Was looking at past Hokies schedules and rankings and if I counted correctly, from the 2018 season thru today, VT is 6-6 when playing as a ranked team.

Of those 6 losses, 4 of them were to unranked teams. ('21-WVU vs #15), ('20- WF vs #19), ('19- UVA vs #23), ('18 - ODU vs #13).

It also should be noted that the passing game this year, that is supposedly the best since Fuente has gotten here is ranked #105 (183.7 ypg)

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

It also should be noted that the passing game this year, that is supposedly the best since Fuente has gotten here is ranked #105 (183.7 ypg)

This is only better than ONE ACC team and that's Florida shit university

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

What's the most number of coaches that have been fired or retired or left in the same season in the same conference we might see an awful lot in the ACC at the end of this year.

Miami, Syracuse, Tech, GT(?)
Wake Forest and BC getting poached

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I think the SEC had something like 6 coaches changed in the same season.

It's Time to go to Work

Probably add Duke to that list too.

Toss up there if he retires. They are going to be 3-1 after this weekend heading into spoiler season time against UNC, UVA, Miami, VT.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Let's be honest.
A) Coach Cut has a great reputation.
B) Has gotten them to more bowl games under his reign than in how many decades???
C) They have some upsets and generally have been better than not?
D) Is probably coaching on a not huge salary and therefore saving them money.

Doesn't stop him from retiring

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Yeah that is more what I was alluding too. Don't think he gets fired, but retiring seems like something that is probable.

Ah. Yeah, I agree I think Coach Cut's exit will be by retirement when he goes. I just don't know if that will be this year.

Does he get Eli or Peyton to replace him?

Jake Spavital might be available for OC by the end of the year and him and Fuente are pretty tight ๐Ÿค”

I would take that if Fuente were to be retained. Not that it would happen, but that would keep JHam most likely and a young OC with a good track record.

Hes been at the helm of some pretty good offenses:

Year - TEAM - OFFENSIVE RANK
2013 - Texas A&M - #2
2014 - Texas A&M - #10
2015 - Texas A&M - #53
2016 - Cal - #26
2017 - WVU - #33
2018 - WVU - #11
2019 - Texas State - #126
2020 - Texas State - #68
2021 - Texas State - #56th currently in Points per Game

offense ranking per Football Outsiders : https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/fei/overalloff/2013

For context:
Year - TEAM - OFFENSIVE RANK
2013 - Memphis - #107
2014 - Memphis - #72
2015 - Memphis - #27
2016 - VT - #48
2017 - VT - #52
2018 - VT - #56
2019 - VT - #54
2020 - VT - #35
2021 - VT -#63

So basically relative to the peers - the staff has produced a few decent offenses (one really if you want to only include a top 30 offense) and nothing exceptional, and Spavital has.

Can we please remove this post as the title of it is terrible for VT fans to see every time they look at TKP?

HH4455

Its the reality of big time college football.

You get to year 6 and don't meet expectations? People will call for your head.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

How is it terrible for VT fans? If you're triggered by reality it's probably time to stay away from VT football forums

Seriously, you want me to not read TKP just because I said I didn't like "the title" of a post (when vast majority of the 576+comments are not about firing fuente anyway), and people gave you legs for that?

Go Hokies!

HH4455

I will not donate to Virginia Tech Athletics as long as Justin Fuente is the head coach of VT Football. Enough is enough.

I tend to err on the side of not believing the man needs to be fired (yet). But there are some valid criticisms out there. Frankly, the site has seen WAY more reactionary days since 2018.

It's a little frustrating to see at times; hell, our first truly big clunker against ODU was definitely not a fun time to be a Hokie anywhere, really.

This is a thread that has 560+ comments, there are some legitimately interesting discussions going on here, and frankly, none of us (except whoever's got Whit Babcock's burner account) really gets to make these decisions.

Unless you have an emotional attachment to Justin Fuente, please focus on the fact that these are ALL passionate folks who all just want to see the Hokies have success. (And if you love Justin Fuente- that's rough- the man's a college football coach and frankly, it pays well, but I'd turn it down all the same).

"Fans" are not actually cooling devices, unfortunately- quite the opposite, in fact- that's an abbreviation for "FANATICS".

Try not to get downhearted every time you see a "Fire Fuente" thread- there have been at least one for every loss since 2018 and it's unlikely anything more than a really long string of victories will change that. Or, you know, being fired.

TL;DR: it's not any more fun than the losses are, but it's not all toxic. Try to see it that way.

Justin Fuente being the head coach and Brad Cornelson being the OC at VT is terrible for VT fans every time they tune in to watch a game.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Your avatar is terrible for VT fans every time you post.

It's Time to go to Work

I really hate to report this, but Fuente gave a recent interview to the Roanoke Times and from what I can interpret from the article, it doesn't sound like he is willing to fire Brad Cornelson. Here is a link to the article, please give it a read:

https://roanoke.com/sports/college/va_tech/virginia-tech-coach-justin-fu...

If someone interprets the article differently, please feel free to point out my error, it would be much welcomed.

Go Hokies!

Another perspective: You can't really throw your employees under the bus until AFTER you fire them.

Fair point.

Go Hokies!

I think you're reading it correctly. I had the same impression.

A few highlights that stood out to me...

The Hokies didn't score on three separate trips inside the 10-yard line in the loss, which dropped their overall red zone scoring percentage down to 58.3% on the season. They are ranked No. 127 in the FBS out of 130 teams in the category through three games.

Tech is ranked No. 88 in the FBS with 23 passes of 10 yards or more. The team's overall passing offense is ranked No. 105 (183.7 yards per game).

College football is a business. At most businesses you'd be let go or reassigned if your performance was this terrible. I do not understand why Fuente thinks his relationship with BC is more important than building a successful program. If the loyalty continues it will likely lead to Fuente being out of a job and so I can only assume BC must be one hell of a good friend.

This was the kernel of information that I hadn't seen a definitive answer for

Cornelsen has called plays for Fuente since the 2015 season at Memphis.

Now it's up to the TKP data miners to really give us some understanding to the effectiveness (and efficiency) of ๐ŸŒฝ

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I'd like to see an updated version of this Win% vs Salary graph. Of course, 2020 was not normal, so maybe that wouldn't add any useful perspective. Also would like to see a combined graph including all conferences. Maybe one useful tool to aid in picking a successor. I can't figure out how to link or paste the graph, so read the article it's from https://www.stanforddaily.com/2021/01/13/breaking-down-power-5-football-...

gtofever

After nearly a week of back and forth, and with the best intentions, I'm going to lock this one up. The thread's gone all over the place and every point and counter-point has been well litigated here, as well as across the rest of TKP. (For what it's worth, I think all the arguments are pretty dang valid. It's a crappy situation.) Without some compelling new circumstances, I don't think a fire Fuente thread is required after every Tech loss, and vent threads should suffice.