2021 ACC Wheel of Destiny

Only a month into the season, five teams still haven't played a conference game, and the ACC is already wide open for anybody, with the preseason favorites already behind.

Let's keep tabs on who's got a chance and who's already dug themselves into a hole.

Atlantic
Controls destiny:
-Wake Forest (2-0) has a tiebreaker over FSU.
-NC State (1-0) has a tiebreaker over Clemson.
-Louisville (1-0) has a tiebreaker over FSU.

Not yet playing:
-BC, Syracuse

Needs help:
-Clemson (1-1) needs two NC State losses.
-FSU (0-2) needs losses by WF (3), Louisville (3), and additional losses by NC State, BC, and Syracuse.

"Additional losses" means losses those teams receive from other ACC teams. Right now, for FSU to have any chance in the Atlantic, every team would need to have at least 2 losses. The scenario is that if FSU wins out, they would dole out losses to their remaining teams, but a team like NC State would still need to lose somewhere else to force FSU's tiebreaker.

Coastal
Controls destiny:
-VT (1-0) has a tiebreaker over UNC.
-GT (1-1) has a tiebreaker over UNC. (Their loss is cross-divisional.)

Not yet playing:
-Duke, Pitt, and Miami

Needs help:
-UNC (1-2) needs losses by VT (3) and GT (2), plus additional losses by Duke, Pitt, and Miami. They have a tiebreaker over uva.
-uva (0-2) needs a UNC loss, plus additional losses by VT, Duke, Pitt, and Miami.

#goacc

Edited to add a reminder -- only talking about conference records here.

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Just how everyone predicted it would play out

(add if applicable) /s

The Coastal division doing their thing:

The Atlantic feeling the power:

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

Wait as a novice marvel (mcu) fan (basically just the movies) and even more novice sonic enjoyer (the og sega game and some of the cartoons)
(Never had the energy for comic books/manga)
Who had it first? Marvel's infinity stones or sonic's chaos emeralds?

I'm still figuring this out.

Infinity stones by a couple decades, the infinity gauntlet however only beat out the OG Sonic game by about a year.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

I suppose any random number of powerful mcguffin in a storyline could be substitued

It's just six rocks is pretty similar

Edit: sorry, MacGuffin 3000 apologies

I'm still figuring this out.

Common theme in fantasy series, stones, rocks, gems, that hold power. Dragonball popped in my head, and that's not even a Western story. Something about people and rocks.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Freakin geologists, am I right? /s

I'm still figuring this out.

Come on, everybody takes their work for granite.

We put the K in Kwality

They seem to think they have real stones.

It was my favorite science to fulfill that core coursework ;)

'89 Hokie alum, former staff, former faculty. Living in Jawja - a rescue Dawg married to a Fauxkie. Navigating the curious spaces between the ACC and the SEC since 2009.

Now that UNC has lost a marquee conference matchup on opening weekend, what are the chances marquee conference matchups on opening weekend magically vanish from the ACC in the next few years?

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

UNC will magically disappear from them. Other Coastal schools will be scheduled heavily in them though so they have early losses.

right, yes, this is how it will happen.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Honestly, even though it helped us out this year, I wouldn't be against that. Not a huge fan at all of opening up the year with a conference game, especially a division game.

Week 5 will be interesting. NC State plays out of conference and we're on a bye. Everyone else plays a division game.

On the Coastal side:
uva @ Miami on Thursday
Duke @ UNC, noon ESPN2
Pitt @ GT, noon ACCN

If Miami, Duke, and Pitt lose, VT is the only Coastal team without a loss.

And the Atlantic:
Louisville @ Wake, 12:30 (says ESPN3, but it's probably RSN)
Syracuse @ FSU, 3:30 ACCN
BC @ Clemson, 7:30 ACCN

I'd root for total chaos in the Atlantic, but I think any combination of outcomes would lead to that.

If GT shows consistency, that Pitt GT game is probably the one to watch

That Duke UNC game is really going to show how poor UNCs defense really is. Of that note, VT only scoring 17 on them is a continuation of the concern of this offense.

But, but... UNC has the best cornerbacks in the ACC. Right?

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

Somewhat agree, but always tough to compare one game to another. Offense is a concern, but can get better. Whereas everyone thinks the sky is falling and we won't win another game, i see a team that's 3-1 and a few yards from 4-0. If the team sticks together, plays hard and continuously improves they'll never be out of a game this year. Too many people forget that the other side has scholarship players, capable coaching, and a will to win as well. I look forward to rooting on VT and seeing them overcome that. Let's go Hokies!

Spenge the Man. Go Hokies!

Yes! Hell fucking yes! We're here to support the men in orange and maroon! Let's fucking go!

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Hokies need to play strong defense and special teams and if the offense can' get it together atleast run down the clock, try to get the other team into trouble with penalties, and hope that one of the QB's can be a game manager at best. If the offense fails to do that then just work at building solid depth on both sides of the ball and develop players for next year. Hopefully Bullock or Orji can step in next year and have a solid supporting cast. ND, Pitt, and BC look like the toughest games on the schedule with U.VA saving their best game of the year for the Hokies and Miami seems to do the same.

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

Forgot to mention Georgia Tech, they looked legit last night and that will be a tough game as well! Cutcliffe is smart and we like losing to teams like Syracuse. The season may not go too well...

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

Probably goes down to the wire in each division with one team in each pulling off a 5-3 record to clinch it

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
β€œI served in the United States Navy"

Nice post. This would make a cool app.

For those keeping track at home, uva beating Miami now leaves VT, Pitt, and Duke as the only Coastal teams without a conference loss.

And VT won't have another conference loss for at least 2 weeks so good chance we'll be part of a smaller group by Oct 16th

Onward and upward

And Duke lost to UNC

Oct 16 will be the battle of the unbeatens for the coastal. Winner will be solidly in the driver's seat for the division

Side note: anybody know when that game time will be announced? Would be awesome to get a night game

Onward and upward

likely tomorrow, maybe delayed to the 11th

Should be sometime tomorrow unless they give us the dreaded six day hold. But I don't think they'll waste one that early for an ACC game.

Looking at the ACC schedule that day, we've got the best conference matchup. Miami at UNC might have some traction because ESPN likes to drool over those two teams, but it doesn't have any of the conference drama. NC State at BC might have some Atlantic drama, but there's a lot of other things that would have to happen.

I could see us getting the ACCN primetime game. Actually, looking at the overall schedule for that day, I'm not seeing a lot of options for the ABC primetime game. Most of the best matchups are SEC, so not available to ABC.

Of course, it is Homecoming, so for all of those actually dealing with those festivities, prime time would actually suck.

I think I saw 3:30 on the ESPN family of networks.

Edit: could also be on ACCN.

Week 5 Coastal update
(Pitt beat GT, UNC beat Duke)

Coastal
Controls destiny:
-VT (1-0) has a tiebreaker over UNC.
-Pitt (1-0) has a tiebreaker over GT.
-Duke (0-1) lost to UNC.
-Miami (0-1) lost to uva.

Needs help:
-GT (1-2) needs 3 Pitt losses and an additional VT loss. They have a tiebreaker over UNC.
-UNC (2-2) needs losses by VT (3) and GT (2), plus additional losses by Duke, Pitt, and Miami. They have tiebreakers over Duke and uva.
-uva (1-2) need losses by UNC and Miami, plus additional losses by VT and Pitt. They have a tiebreaker over Miami.

It's kind of crazy that two teams that lost their first conference game can still control their own destiny because they lost to teams with multiple losses anyway. But sure enough, the math works out that if Duke or Miami can win out, they'd either have a better record and/or tiebreakers over everyone else.

Fucking love this sport. Let's fucking go!

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Week 5 Atlantic update

Controls destiny:
-Wake Forest (3-0) has tiebreakers over Louisville and FSU.
-NC State (1-0) has a tiebreaker over Clemson.
-Syracuse (0-1) lost to FSU.

Needs help:
-Clemson (2-1) needs two NC State losses. They have a tiebreaker over BC.
-Louisville (1-1) needs 2 losses by WF. They have a tiebreaker over FSU.
-BC (0-1) needs a Clemson loss.
-FSU (1-2) needs losses by WF (3), Louisville (2), and Syracuse, plus an additional loss by NC State.

And here's where scheduling gets annoying. If WF gets to 4 wins and FSU gets to 4 losses, then FSU would be eliminated from contention. It looks like that could happen within two weeks based on numbers. If we get WF over Syracuse and UNC over FSU in week 6, then the next WF win or FSU loss would knock FSU out. But then both teams have a bye in week 7 and OOC in week 8. Okay, let's see if Clemson can affect the standings at all. A bye in week 6, then games in weeks 7 and 8 (Syracuse and Pitt). Even if they win those two, we still have to wait until week 9 (FSU at Clemson, Duke at WF) for anyone to get eliminated at the earliest.

But this isn't just an ACC situation. I see this all the time in several conferences. You have one team that's trending good, and one that's trending bad, but right at the point of the season where the lower team should be able to be mathematically eliminated, all of the teams involved get byes or non-conference games.

We're going to have a Wake Forest v. Pittsburgh ACC championship aren't we?

Wake Forest is going to make the Playoffs before we do, aren't they?

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

Wake Forest will close out the season on a losing streak. Clemson, NC State, and BC, possibly even losses to Duke and UNC (out of conference game)

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

I'm moving from Asheville to Winston-Salem and I close on my new house tomorrow. Of course I decide to move 5 minutes from Wake's campus during a year when they are actually good. I'll be flying my Hokie flag with pride!

Happy moving!!

Onward and upward

Welcome to Winston! Wake Forest is a great place to watch Hokie Sports. Easy to get good seats, and always a lot of Hokies there. Let me know if you want info on the triad alumni assn or hokie club. Hokie club switches back and forth from meeting in Greensboro to Winston. I think the Alumni is still on a COVID hold.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Thanks! I'm looking forward to being able to easily see other Hokie sports that I wouldn't normally be able to. I've been looking at the Alumni group and would love more info. If you don't mind sending info my email is: jmecca at vt dot edu

Sent. Almost went to Ladies soccer yesterday - now that I see the score glad did not. The baseball stadium is a great place - used to house a minor league team before they became the Dash and moved. Basketball never sells out, and the Alumni usually put together a package to all sit together for the men's game. The tennis stadium is also used for the Winston-Salem open, so is a great venue for watching if outside, but the inside is closed to spectators due to COVID. Those are the sports I am likely to go to.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Thanks! I'm looking forward to the move and being closer to Hokie sports. It also seems like a reasonable drive to get to UNC, Duke, and NC State for football games.

They are closer than VT, by about 25 minutes. We are at Duke and UNC every other year, and it's not a problem getting a ticket. Lots of VT fans come down from Richmond and VA-Beach for this too, as they are closer than Blacksburg.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

You know, I'm something of a prediction expert myself

Week 6 update

Atlantic
Controls destiny:
-Wake Forest (4-0) has tiebreakers over Louisville, FSU, and Syracuse.
-NC State (1-0) has a tiebreaker over Clemson.

Needs help:
-Clemson (2-1) needs two NC State losses. They have a tiebreaker over BC.
-Louisville (1-2) needs 3 losses by WF. They have a tiebreaker over FSU.
-BC (0-1) needs a Clemson loss.
-FSU (2-2) needs losses by WF (3), Louisville, plus an additional loss by NC State. They have a tiebreaker over Syracuse.
-Syracuse (0-2) needs losses by WF (3), FSU, plus an additional loss by NC State.

Coastal
Controls destiny:
-VT (1-0) has a tiebreaker over UNC.
-Pitt (1-0) has a tiebreaker over GT.
-Miami (0-1) lost to uva.

Needs help:
-GT (2-2) needs 3 Pitt losses and an additional VT loss. They have tiebreakers over UNC and Duke.
-uva (2-2) needs a Miami loss, plus additional losses by VT and Pitt. They have a tiebreaker over Miami.
-Duke (0-2) needs a GT loss, plus additional losses by VT and Pitt.
-UNC (2-3) needs losses by VT (4), GT (2), uva, and Duke, plus additional losses by Pitt (2) and Miami. They have tiebreakers over Duke and uva.

UNC is done for the year. They aren't making it back into the discussion.

It seems odd that so many teams have only played one conference game so far, right?

Not really. Figure it's week 6. Traditionally it was your 4 OOC games, then start the conference slate. Toss in an early season bye week for a bunch of teams and 5 games with 4 being OOC seems relatively normal.

Not too much. We've only gone through six weeks of the season and most teams have their OOC games early. Four OOC games plus an early bye means a number of teams only have one conference game under their belt by mid-October.

The odd part is that UNC has played 5 conference games up to this point. I believe that's the most in all of the Power 5.

The Atlantic is always going to have more conference games loaded up in the early part of the season, since Clemson, Louisville, and FSU always end their season out of conference.

Mathematically i understand how it happens, just creates such a bizarre discrepancy with so many having playing 4+ games and multiple teams having only played 1.

It makes it incredibly difficult to project anything and we're halfway through the season basically lol.

Like NC State controls its destiny at 1-0, but so does Wake who is 4-0. Seven chances to drop games for NC State compared to 4 more chances for Wake. That makes it basically impossible to predict.

it gives Wake a big fat leg up is what it does, at least until they play Clemson

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

At this point I just want Clemson to drop another conference game to make their chances of winning the Atlantic even smaller.

Big same

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

So, mathematical elimination....

Currently, the quickest way for an Atlantic team to get eliminated is to get to 5 losses, or get to 4 losses after WF gets to 5 wins. (It's too early to get into multi-way ties, so I'm only counting someone as officially eliminated when they have more losses than the number of possible losses for the team in the lead.)

However, both WF and FSU have the bye/OOC combo the next two weeks. Louisville has a bye and a conference game. Syracuse has two conference games during that stretch, so worst case scenario, they would have 4 losses going into the games on 10/30. Basically, no one can be eliminated prior to the games on 10/30. Syracuse could be eliminated that weekend if they lose all of the next three.

On the Coastal side, it's going to take a lot longer to get someone eliminated. At the moment, no one has more than 2 conference wins, so the magic number to get eliminated is 7 losses.

TLDR -- for both divisions, no one can be mathematically eliminated until 10/30 but most likely not until November.

#parity ?

Onward and upward

Fire fountain?

VB born, class of '14

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Onward and upward

We live in a parallel universe where Wake Forest goes 15-0 this year and becomes the new Alabama and the ACC is dominated by slow developing meshes year after year after year.

But in all seriousness.... IF wake does not suffer injuries they have a fantastic chance of winning the Atlantic.

Pitt far and away looks like the favorite in the coastal just based solely off their offense, maybe their defense can have an off day against us :).
(FWIW they play clemson, I cant wait to see that game)

Pitt far and away looks like the favorite in the coastal just based solely off their offense, maybe their defense can have an off day against us :).

not certain it would be enough - with Burmeister (4-6 wks) and Blumrick(season) both out with injuries, Kadum not allowed to throw the ball, and virtually no-one else with any meaningful experience at the QB spot on our roster we'd be lucky to score 14 points on air. The Pitt game is shaping up to be a real nightmare :(

Onward and upward

Tahj Bullock saves fuentes job????

Being serious... Yeah I have no idea what we do from here. Pitt can score... we cant score... and we seem susceptible on defense to just fall apart at the most inopportune times. I really would love us to get the win and hell maybe this team surprises us, but I doubt with what we have it will be enough. Pitt just has the more complete team.

Hadn't heard the updates on the injuries? I deliberately stayed away from the news after the game and yesterday. 4-6 weeks and season? Is that right? Fudge...

well, nothing official yet but this has been a pretty good source for TKP historically

Onward and upward

Just read about the ACL and AC Joint in the other thread... Ouch.

Bullock can play in four games without burning redshirt. Hope he is taking a lot of snaps behind Knox.

Miami just officially announced they have lost King for the season.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Hate that for him cause he truly is a fantastic player.... If he went anywhere else than Miami I bet hes having a great final season

As much as our team is frustrating to watch I cant even imagine what its like being a Miami fan seeing your team ranked #14 (Preseason rankings are trash) to now youre 2-3 with your best player gone for the year. I'd be punching many walls.

Week 7 Coastal Update - the entire division sucks

Controls destiny:
-Pitt (2-0)
W: GT, VT

Needs help:
-VT (1-1) needs 2 Pitt losses.
W: UNC / L: Pitt

-GT (2-2) needs 3 Pitt losses.
W: UNC, Duke / L: GT

-uva (3-2) needs an additional Pitt loss.
W: Miami, Duke / L: UNC

-Miami (0-2) needs a uva loss plus an additional Pitt loss.
L: uva, UNC

-UNC (3-3) needs losses by VT (3), GT (2), and uva, plus additional losses by Pitt (2) and Miami.
W: Duke, uva, Miami / L: VT, GT

-Duke (0-3) needs 2 GT losses, plus additional losses by VT and Pitt (2).
L: GT, UNC, uva

Week 7 Atlantic update

It's still early in the morning, so I might have missed some of the scenarios required. But the main point is that currently, the winner of WF/NC State is on track to win the division.

Controls destiny:
-Wake Forest (4-0)
W: Louisville, FSU, Syracuse

-NC State (2-0)
W: Clemson, BC

Needs help:
-Clemson (3-1) needs two NC State losses.
W: BC, Syracuse / L: NC State

-Louisville (1-2) needs 3 losses by WF, plus an additional loss by NC State.
W: FSU / L: WF

-BC (0-2) needs losses by NC State (3) and Clemson (2), plus additional losses by WF.
L: Clemson, NC State

-FSU (2-2) needs losses by WF (3), Louisville, plus an additional loss by NC State.
W: Syracuse / L: WF, Louisville

-Syracuse (0-3) needs losses by WF (4), FSU (2), and Clemson (3), plus an additional losses by NC State (2).
L: WF, FSU, Clemson

Week 8 update
(I'm only including divisional games in the W/L, just to keep track of tiebreakers.)

Atlantic
Controls destiny:
-Wake Forest (4-0)
W: Louisville, FSU, Syracuse

-NC State (2-1)
W: Clemson, BC

Needs help:
-Clemson (3-2) needs two NC State losses plus an additional loss by WF.
W: BC, Syracuse / L: NC State

-Louisville (2-2) needs 3 losses by WF.
W: FSU, BC / L: WF

-FSU (2-2) needs losses by WF (3), Louisville, plus an additional loss by NC State.
W: Syracuse / L: WF, Louisville

-BC (0-3) needs losses by NC State (2) and Clemson (2), plus additional losses by WF (2).
L: Clemson, NC State, Louisville

-Syracuse (1-3) needs losses by WF (4), FSU (2), and Clemson (2), plus an additional loss by NC State.
L: WF, FSU, Clemson

Loser of BC/Syracuse will be eliminated if WF wins. If Syracuse and Wake both win, then Syracuse will not have control of their destiny because their best scenario would be forcing a multi-team tie at 5-3 and hoping the tiebreakers would go their way.

Coastal
Controls destiny:
-Pitt (3-0)
W: GT, VT

Needs help:
-uva (4-2) needs an additional Pitt loss.
W: Miami, Duke, GT / L: UNC

-Miami (1-2) needs a uva loss plus an additional Pitt loss.
L: uva, UNC

-VT (1-2) needs 3 Pitt losses.
W: UNC / L: Pitt

-GT (2-3) needs losses by Pitt (4) and uva (2).
W: UNC, Duke / L: Pitt, uva

-UNC (3-3) needs losses by VT (2), GT, Miami, and uva, plus additional losses by Pitt (2).
W: Duke, uva, Miami / L: VT, GT

-Duke (0-3) needs 2 GT losses, plus additional losses by VT and Pitt (2).
L: GT, UNC, uva

No one in the Coastal can be mathematically eliminated next weekend. GT could lose control of their destiny if they lose and Pitt wins, similar to the Syracuse/WF scenario above.

Week 9 Coastal update

Miami over Pitt shook things up a little bit. uva actually gained control of their destiny back, since they haven't played Pitt yet.

Controls destiny:
-Pitt (3-1)
W: GT, VT / L: Miami

-uva (4-2)
W: Miami, Duke, GT / L: UNC

Needs help:
-Miami (2-2) needs losses by Pitt and uva
W: Pitt / L: uva, UNC

-VT (2-2) needs 2 Pitt losses.
W: UNC, GT / L: Pitt

-UNC (3-3) needs losses by VT (2), Miami, and uva, plus an additional loss by Pitt.
W: Duke, uva, Miami / L: VT, GT

Out of control:
-GT (2-4)
W: UNC, Duke / L: Pitt, uva, VT

-Duke (0-4)
L: GT, UNC, uva

The 4 loss teams are probably out because they would require ties with uva whom they have both lost to. They will be fully eliminated with a loss next week. uva is on a bye next week (followed by ND), so the earliest a Coastal team can get to 5 wins is 11/11 when Pitt plays UNC.

Here are some current possibilities of ties between 2-loss teams (assuming Pitt loses another one):
-Pitt/uva -- set up by uva winning out, Pitt winning out except against uva, and then Miami losing at least one other game. uva would take head-to-head.
-Pitt/VT -- set up by VT winning out (dropping uva and Miami out of the tie) and Pitt losing one game. Pitt takes head-to-head.
-Pitt/Miami - set up by Pitt losing one game, uva and VT each losing at least one, and Miami winning out. Miami takes head-to-head.
-Pitt/uva/Miami - set up by uva and Miami winning out (dropping VT out), and Pitt only losing to uva. Pitt would be 0-2 against the group, while uva would be 2-0, thus taking the tiebreaker.
-uva/Miami - same as above, plus Pitt loses even more. uva takes head-to-head.

Impossible combinations (only for ties of 2-loss teams):
-any including both uva and VT cannot happen as loser of uva/VT will drop to at least 3 losses.
-any including both VT and Miami as the loser will have a minimum of three losses.

Now, Pitt could still win out and make all of this a moot point. Right now, their biggest game left is against uva.

Week 9 Atlantic update

Controls destiny:
-Wake Forest (5-0)
W: Louisville, FSU, Syracuse
-NC State (3-1)
W: Clemson, BC, Louisville

Needs help:
-Clemson (4-2) needs two NC State losses plus an additional loss by WF.
W: BC, Syracuse, FSU / L: NC State

The only chance any of these 3-loss teams have is forcing a multi-team tie at 5-3 that has to include Wake Forest and Clemson. (Clemson's remaining games are against WF and Louisville, so they would need to beat WF and lose to Louisville to allow any ties.)

To set up ties at 5-3:
-WF would need to lose out (NC State, Clemson, BC)
-Clemson would need to beat WF and lose to Louisville
-NC State would need to beat WF, but lose to FSU and Syracuse. Then, if they beat UNC in the final week, they would be part of the ties. If they lose to UNC, they would be 4-4 and out of contention.
-The current 3-loss teams would need to win out:
--Syracuse (Louisville, NC State, Pitt)
--Louisville (Clemson, Syracuse, Duke)
--FSU (NC State, Miami, BC)

Therefore, there is no possible tie involving both Louisville and Syracuse, as the loser of that game is eliminated.

Tie scenarios at 5-3:
-WF/Clemson - Clemson would own head-to-head
-WF/NC State - NC State would own head-to-head
-WF/Clemson/NC State - NC State would be 2-0 in the group and take the division.
-WF/Clemson/Louisville - all three would be 1-1, so go to division records. WF would be 3-3 and drop out because Clemson and Louisville would be 4-2, and Louisville would have head-to-head.
-WF/Clemson/Syracuse - Clemson would be 2-0 in the group and take the division.
-WF/Clemson/FSU - Clemson would be 2-0 in the group and take the division.
-WF/Clemson/NC State/Louisville - NC State is 3-0 in the group and take the division.
-WF/Clemson/NC State/Syracuse - NC State and Clemson would be 2-1 in the group, and then NC State takes it on head-to-head.
-WF/Clemson/NC State/FSU - NC State and Clemson would be 2-1 in the group, and then NC State takes it on head-to-head.
-WF/Clemson/Louisville/FSU - FSU would be 0-3 in the group, so it would revert to the WF/Clemson/Louisville tie.
-WF/Clemson/Syracuse/FSU - Clemson would be 3-0 in the group and take the division.
-WF/Clemson/NC State/Louisville/FSU - NC State would be 3-1 in the group and take the division.
-WF/Clemson/NC State/Syracuse/FSU - Clemson would be 3-1 in the group and take the division.

Out of those scenarios, I don't see FSU or Syracuse coming out ahead in any of them, so they are eliminated. It looks like Louisville's only chance at the division is forcing a three-way tie with WF and Clemson or a four-way tie with WF, Clemson, and FSU.

Out of control:
-Louisville (2-3) needs to win out, with WF and NC State losing out.
W: FSU, BC / L: WF, NC State

Louisville can be eliminated in week 10 with a loss to Clemson OR an NC State win over FSU.

Out of contention:
-FSU (2-3)
W: Syracuse / L: WF, Louisville, Clemson
-Syracuse (2-3)
W: BC / L: WF, FSU, Clemson
-Boston College (0-4)

On a side note, I feel better about our game with BC after yesterday's win and their loss.

That didn't age well

Week 10 Coastal update

Remember that the UNC/WF game was a non-conference game, so that result will not be reflected on the Wheel of Destiny.

Controls destiny:
-Pitt (4-1)
W: GT, VT, Duke / L: Miami

-uva (4-2)
W: Miami, Duke, GT / L: UNC

Needs help:
-Miami (3-2) needs losses by uva and Pitt.
W: Pitt, GT / L: uva, UNC

-VT (2-3) needs 3 Pitt losses.
W: UNC, GT / L: Pitt
--Can be eliminated with a loss AND a Pitt win. I'm not sure about an "OR" situation, as there are too many variations on 5-3 or 4-4 ties.

-UNC (3-3) needs losses by VT, Miami, and uva, plus an additional loss by Pitt.
W: Duke, uva, Miami / L: VT, GT
--Their next game is against Pitt. A loss will eliminate them.

Out of contention:
-GT (2-5)
-Duke (0-5)

Since Pitt and uva both have 4 wins, there's no way for a 5 loss team to get on top.

And just for reference....here are some scenarios at 5-3, focused on VT being part of them. Obviously, they are all predicated on VT winning out. I am not endorsing the likelihood of these scenarios. I am just presenting them as options that exist.

5 way tie - VT/UNC/uva/Miami/Pitt
-Set up:
--VT wins out, giving the third loss to uva and Miami.
--UNC wins out, giving Pitt a second loss
--uva beats Pitt, giving Pitt their third loss
--Miami beats FSU and Duke.
--Pitt beats Syracuse.
Records among the group -- VT (3-1), UNC (3-1), uva (2-2), Miami (1-3), Pitt (1-3).
VT has head-to-head over UNC.

4 way ties
VT/UNC/uva/Miami
-Set up: same as the 5 way tie, except Pitt loses to Syracuse (so they lose out).
VT would be 3-0 over the group.

VT/UNC/uva/Pitt
-Set up:
--VT and UNC win out
--uva beats Pitt
--Pitt beats Syracuse
--Miami loses to FSU and/or Duke
Record among the group: VT (2-1), UNC (2-1), uva (1-2), Pitt (1-2)
VT has head-to-head over UNC.

VT/UNC/Pitt/Miami
-Set up:
--VT and UNC win out
--Pitt beats uva but loses to Syracuse
--Miami beats FSU and Duke
Records: VT (2-1), UNC (2-1), Pitt (1-2), Miami (1-2)
VT has head-to-head over UNC.

VT/uva/Pitt/Miami
-Set up:
--VT wins out
--uva beats Pitt
--If Pitt beats UNC, they lose to Syracuse
--If UNC beats Pitt, they lose to NC State
--Miami beats FSU and Duke
Records: VT (2-1), uva (2-1), Pitt (1-2), Miami (1-2)
VT would have head-to-head over uva.

3 way ties
VT/UNC/uva
-Set up:
--VT and UNC win out
--Pitt loses out
--Miami loses to FSU and/or Duke
VT 2-0 over group

VT/UNC/Pitt
-Set up:
--VT and UNC win out
--Pitt beats uva but loses to Syracuse
--Miami loses to FSU and/or Duke
All three are 1-1. VT would have the best division record at 5-1.

VT/UNC/Miami
-impossible scenario. VT and UNC have to win out. That puts Pitt at 4-2 and uva at 4-3 from their current records. uva would have to lose to Pitt to drop out of the tie, which pushes Pitt up to 5 wins. Therefore, any tie with both VT and UNC has to include the winner of uva/Pitt, therefore rendering any other three way tie impossible.

VT/uva/Pitt
-Set up:
--VT wins out
--uva beats Pitt
--Pitt beats UNC but loses to Syracuse (UNC/NC State game doesn't matter)
Records: All three are 1-1 in the group. VT and Pitt have 5-1 division records, and Pitt takes head-to-head.

VT/uva/Miami
-Set up:
--VT wins out
--Pitt loses out
--Miami beats FSU and Duke
--UNC loses to NC State
VT would be 2-0 over the group.

VT/Pitt/Miami:
-Set up:
--VT wins out
--Miami beats FSU and Duke
--Pitt beats uva but loses to UNC and Syracuse
--UNC beats Pitt but loses to NC State.
Records: All three are 1-1 in the group. VT would have the best division record at 5-1.

If there are any 2 way ties with VT and another team:
-VT would have head-to-head over UNC, uva, and Miami.
-Pitt has head-to-head over VT.

I honestly didn't think there were this many possible options or that VT could come out ahead in so many, but I guess that's #goacc for you. What's keeping VT alive in the scenarios is that two of our three conference losses are from the other division. Although 8 of the 11 scenarios (not counting two way ties) will be eliminated if Pitt beats UNC on Thursday night.

That's a disturbingly high number of chances we still have to win the division.

Don't give me hope

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

That speaks to how down the entire division is, and that just makes me feel even worse about this season. This should have been a walk in the park... given our pre-season expectations and now seeing how the rest of the league played out we should have been undefeated at this point. Instead we're fighting for bowl eligibility.

Week 10 Atlantic update

Atlantic
Controls destiny:
-Wake Forest (5-0)
W: Louisville, FSU, Syracuse
Remaining games: NC State, Clemson, BC

-NC State (4-1)
W: Clemson, BC, Louisville, FSU
Remaining games: WF, Syracuse, UNC

Needs help:
-Clemson (5-2) needs two NC State losses plus an additional loss by WF.
W: BC, Syracuse, FSU, Louisville / L: NC State
Remaining game: WF

Out of contention:
-Louisville (2-4)
-FSU (2-4)
-Syracuse (2-3)
-Boston College (1-4)

The only game in week 11 that affects the Atlantic standings is NC State at Wake Forest. The quickest way for WF to clinch the division is to win their next two games (NC State, Clemson) as that would give them the best record. Tiebreakers wouldn't even be needed in that case.

What happens if Wake beats NC State tonight, then Clemson beats Wake next week, and all three teams end up 6-2 in conference in a three-way tie? I looked through the tiebreaker rules and that one could be crazy. They all would have the same win pct in the division all with a second loss from a Coastal opponent and no common Coastal opponents between the three of them.

To fully flesh that scenario out, we have WF (5-0) beating NC State (moving to 6-0), but losing to Clemson and BC (dropping to 6-2)
Then, NC State (4-1) would be losing to WF (dropping to 4-2), but winning out against Syracuse and UNC (moving to 6-2)
Finally, Clemson (5-2) beats WF (moving to 6-2).

So the divisional outcomes would look like this:

-Wake Forest (6-2)
W: Louisville, FSU, Syracuse, NC State / L: Clemson, BC

-NC State (6-2)
W: Clemson, BC, Louisville, FSU, Syracuse / L: WF

Needs help:
-Clemson (6-2)
W: BC, Syracuse, FSU, Louisville, WF / L: NC State

1-1 among the group, so we go to divisional records:
WF 4-2, Clemson and NC State both 5-1.
Wake drops out, and then NC State would take it on the head-to-head over Clemson.

Ah thank you this is very helpful. I completely forgot Wake and UNC didn't count as a conference game. That makes perfect sense.

So regardless of outcomes, Clemson cannot make the ACCCG?

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

No, that's just one scenario. Have the full details down below.

But Clemson requires the most help out of any of the teams still in contention.

Mid-Week 11 Coastal update, after Pitt beat UNC on Thursday, knocking them out of contention.

Controls destiny:
-Pitt (5-1)
W: GT, VT, Duke, UNC / L: Miami

-uva (4-2)
W: Miami, Duke, GT / L: UNC

Needs help:
-Miami (3-2) needs losses by uva and Pitt.
W: Pitt, GT / L: uva, UNC

Out of control:
-VT (2-3) needs Pitt to lose out.
W: UNC, GT / L: Pitt

Any team that I list as "Out of control" means that they require other teams to lose and would have to win on tiebreakers. In other words, these teams cannot get back to a point where all they need is to win (unless the games in the final week are played in a certain order.)

In this case, VT needs Pitt to lose out and would need to force a tie.

Out of contention:
-UNC (3-4)
-GT (2-5)
-Duke (0-5)

Here's how the tie scenarios look at 5-3 (only looking at the ones involving VT). Any of the above scenarios involving UNC are no longer possible. Also, Pitt must be included in all scenarios. As a result, that means uva also has to be included because they would get a fifth win by beating Pitt, meaning that there are no possible 2-way tie scenarios.

4 way tie
VT/uva/Pitt/Miami
-Set up:
--VT wins out
--uva beats Pitt
--Pitt loses to Syracuse
--Miami beats FSU and Duke
Records: VT (2-1), uva (2-1), Pitt (1-2), Miami (1-2)
VT would have head-to-head over uva.

3 way tie
VT/uva/Pitt
-Set up:
--VT wins out
--uva beats Pitt
--Pitt loses to Syracuse
--Miami loses to either FSU or Duke
Records: All three are 1-1 in the group. VT and Pitt have 5-1 division records, and Pitt takes head-to-head.

EDIT for a math error:
-VT winning out would put them at a 5-1 divisional record.
-Pitt losing out would put them at a 4-2 divisional record.
-uva splitting their last two games puts them at a 4-2 divisional record.

That means, VT could still win the three way tie on the divisional record.

That means the 4 way tie in the only possibility for VT to win the Coastal.
VT will be eliminated with any one of the following:
-a loss
-a Pitt win
-a Miami loss that isn't on November 20

VT has two options to win the Coastal, but will be eliminated with a loss OR a Pitt win. We are not dependent on the outcome of the other Miami games.

In other words, we are eliminated.

It's the ACC, never say never.

I mean, I wouldn't put money on VT winning the Coastal, but we've seen some crazy stuff happen.

Crazier stuff?

Like what?

VT Marketing Class of 2009
Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

Like UVA losing to UMBC

I didn't find that crazy. UVA is UVA, that's what they do.

VT Marketing Class of 2009
Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

That was exceptional, even for them. Unprecedented.

Any scenario requires UVa to beat Pitt, which I can't abide.

Here's the scenarios that each team needs to clinch or be eliminated, and we'll start with the various possibilities for records and/or ties.

Options at 7-1
Pitt is the only team that can achieve this record, no tiebreakers needed

Options at 6-2
three way tie - Pitt/uva/Miami
set up:
--Pitt loses to uva but beats Syracuse
--uva wins out (Pitt, VT)
--Miami wins out (FSU, VT, Duke)
uva would be 2-0 against the group and win.

two way tie - Pitt/uva
set up:
--Pitt loses to uva but beats Syracuse
--uva wins out (Pitt, VT)
--Miami loses at least one game (FSU, VT, Duke)
uva would have head-to-head

two way tie - Pitt/Miami
set up:
--Miami wins out (FSU, VT, Duke)
--one of the following:
---Pitt loses to uva but beats Syracuse + VT beats uva
---Pitt beats uva but loses to Syracuse
Miami wins head-to-head

single team: Pitt
set up:
--Miami loses at least one game
--one of the following:
---Pitt beats uva but loses to Syracuse
---Pitt loses to uva but beats Syracuse + VT beats uva

single team: uva
--Pitt loses out (uva, Syracuse)
--uva wins out (Pitt, VT)
--Miami loses at least one game (FSU, VT, Duke)

single team: Miami
set up:
--Miami wins out (FSU, VT, Duke)
--Pitt loses out (uva, Syracuse)
--VT beats uva

Options at 5-3 (all options must include uva and Pitt)
4 way tie - VT/uva/Pitt/Miami
set up:
--VT wins out
--uva beats Pitt
--Pitt loses to Syracuse
--Miami beats FSU and Duke
Records: VT (2-1), uva (2-1), Pitt (1-2), Miami (1-2)
VT would have head-to-head over uva.

3 way tie - VT/uva/Pitt
set up:
--VT wins out
--uva beats Pitt
--Pitt loses to Syracuse
--Miami loses to either FSU or Duke
Records: All three are 1-1 in the group. VT would have a 5-1 divisional record, while the other two would be at 4-2.
VT wins with divisional record.

3 way tie - uva/Pitt/Miami
set up:
--uva beats Pitt but loses to VT
--Pitt loses to Syracuse
--VT loses to Miami and/or Duke
--Miami loses one game (FSU, VT, Duke)
uva would be 2-0 in the group.

2 way tie - uva/Pitt
set up:
--Pitt loses out (uva, Syracuse)
--uva beats Pitt
--VT beats uva but loses one other game (Duke or Miami)
--Miami loses at least two games (FSU, VT, Duke)
uva would have head-to-head

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-Pitt (5-1)
They could clinch in week 12 with a win over uva if Miami loses to FSU in week 11 or VT in week 12.
Pitt is the only team that can clinch prior to the end of week 13, and also the only team that can't be eliminated until the end of week 13.

-uva (4-2)
They can be eliminated in week 12 by losing to Pitt. In that scenario, uva would be 4-3, and Pitt's worst possible record would be 6-2.
If uva beats Pitt in week 12, they still need one more set of circumstances:
-a win in week 13 OR
-a Pitt loss in week 13 AND any Miami loss
Their shortest path to clinching is winning out.

-Miami (3-2)
Miami needs to win out to stay alive. They also need Pitt to lose at least one game.
In addition to winning out, they need one of the following:
-Pitt over uva, Syracuse over Pitt
-uva over Pitt, VT over uva
They can be eliminated in any week by losing. If they win out, they can only be eliminated in week 13 by other games.

-VT (2-3)
VT needs to win out, with Pitt losing out. One of those five remaining games goes the other way and VT is eliminated. In other words, they can be eliminated in any week with a loss OR Pitt win.

The fun part is, if we win out and Pitt loses out, we clinch. Any other outcome, we lose.

Our path forward is crystal clear, if hilariously unlikely.

Full Week 11 Coastal update

Controls destiny:
-Pitt (5-1)
W: GT, VT, Duke, UNC / L: Miami
Remaining games: uva, Syracuse
They can clinch in week 12 with a win over uva.
If they lose to uva, they can still clinch with a win over Syracuse AND a VT win over uva.
They will be eliminated by losing out.

-uva (4-2)
W: Miami, Duke, GT / L: UNC
Remaining games: Pitt, VT
They will be eliminated in week 12 with a loss to Pitt.
To clinch the division, they need a win over Pitt AND one of the following:
--a win in week 13
--a Pitt loss to Syracuse in week 13 AND a VT loss to Miami in week 12.

Out of control:
-VT (3-3) needs Pitt to lose out.
W: UNC, GT, Duke / L: Pitt
Remaining games: Miami, uva
They will be eliminated with a loss OR Pitt win.
The only way to clinch the division is to win out AND Pitt lose out.

Out of contention:
-Miami (3-3)
-UNC (3-4)
-GT (2-5)
-Duke (0-5)

So how exactly is Miami out of contention? The best they can do is 5-3. As we know, the worst Pitt can do is 5-3, and if Pitt goes 5-3, then uva must go 5-3 at worst. Therefore, the only scenario possible for Miami is a three way with Pitt and uva. In that case, uva would be 2-0 against the group and clinch the division.

Options at 7-1
Pitt is the only team that can achieve this record, no tiebreakers needed

Options at 6-2
two way tie - Pitt/uva
set up:
--Pitt loses to uva but beats Syracuse
--uva wins out (Pitt, VT)
uva would have head-to-head

single team: Pitt
set up:
--one of the following:
---Pitt beats uva but loses to Syracuse
---Pitt loses to uva but beats Syracuse + VT beats uva

single team: uva
set up:
--Pitt loses out (uva, Syracuse)
--uva wins out (Pitt, VT)

Options at 5-3 (all options must include uva and Pitt)
3 way tie - VT/uva/Pitt
set up:
--Pitt loses out, dropping to 5-3 and boosting uva to 5-2
--VT wins out, dropping uva to 5-3
Records: All three are 1-1 in the group. VT would have a 5-1 divisional record, while the other two would be at 4-2.
VT wins with divisional record.

3 way tie - uva/Pitt/Miami
set up:
--uva beats Pitt but loses to VT
--Pitt loses to Syracuse
--Miami wins out (beating VT)
uva would be 2-0 in the group.

2 way tie - uva/Pitt
set up:
--Pitt loses out (uva, Syracuse)
--VT beats uva but loses to Miami
--Miami loses to Duke
uva would have head-to-head

Giving up that last minute loss to Syracuse is painful seeing the remaining scenarios....

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Week 11 Atlantic update

Atlantic
Controls destiny:
-Wake Forest (6-0)
W: Louisville, FSU, Syracuse, NC State
Remaining games: Clemson, BC
They can clinch with a win over Clemson in week 12.
WF needs to win one of their last two to clinch the division. They cannot clinch if they lose both games.

Out of control:
-Clemson (5-2)
W: BC, Syracuse, FSU, Louisville / L: NC State
Remaining game: WF
They will be eliminated with a loss to WF.
They need all of the following to clinch:
-win over WF in week 12
-WF loss to BC in week 13
-NC State to lose any game.

-NC State (4-2)
W: Clemson, BC, Louisville, FSU / L: WF
Remaining games: Syracuse, UNC
They will be eliminated with a loss OR Wake win.
They need to win out and have WF lose out to clinch the division.

Out of contention:
-Louisville (3-4)
-FSU (3-4)
-Syracuse (2-4)
-Boston College (2-4)

Possible outcomes:

Options at 8-0 or 7-1
Wake Forest is the only team that can achieve these records, no tiebreakers needed.

Options at 6-2
3 way tie - WF/Clemson/NC State
Set up:
--WF loses out (Clemson, BC)
--NC State wins out (Syracuse, UNC)
Records: 1-1 among the group; Divisional records -- WF 4-2, Clemson and NC State both 5-1.
Wake drops out, and then NC State would take it on the head-to-head over Clemson.

2 way tie - WF/Clemson
Set up:
--WF loses out (Clemson, BC)
--NC State loses at least one game (Syracuse, UNC)
Clemson would take it on head-to-head

Since WF is already at 6-0, any ties have to include them. Also, WF losing out would boost Clemson up to 6-2, so they would have to also be included in any ties. Therefore, a WF/NC State tie is not possible, nor is the possibility of a single team being able to win the division with a 6-2 record.

The most important game is WF @ Clemson in week 12. If Wake wins, they clinch.
If Wake loses, then these games matter:
-Syracuse @ NC State (week 12) - an NC State loss would eliminate them.
-UNC @ NC State (week 13, Friday) - only matters if NC State wins in week 12. An NC State loss would eliminate them.
-WF @ BC (week 13, Saturday) - a Wake win would clinch the division. A Wake loss would give the division to NC State (if they won both games) or Clemson (if NC State loses any games)

So, summing up the last two posts....

If you want minimal ACC chaos, then the ACCCG can be set by the end of week 12 with wins by Pitt and Wake.

If you want maximum chaos, then you want to see Clemson, NC State, uva, and VT all win in week 12. Then that would require UNC @ NC State and WF @ BC to both be important games in the Atlantic. (The first game would determine if NC State or Clemson would take the division if WF loses the later game.) Then on the Coastal side, you'd actually want the VT @ uva game to be on earlier, because the winner would then be watching Pitt @ Syracuse to determine who clinches the division.

Or just have Syracuse beat Pitt in the early game, leaving VT/UVA to determine who represents the Coastal.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Game day bump for reminder of rooting interests.

Wins by WF and Pitt seal the conference.

Wins by Clemson and uva keep the races going for another week.

Wins by NC State and VT (plus Clemson and uva) keep all of the teams in contention.

Atlantic will have chaos for another week.

If WF wins their final game, they clinch the division. If they lose, they're eliminated.

Clemson is at the mercy of WF and NC State, as they are done with conference play.

More to come after the late games.

The Wheel of Destiny in the Coastal has landed on Pitt.

The Atlantic still has one or two more games to decide in week 13:
If WF wins, they clinch.
If WF loses
--AND NC State wins, NC State clinches.
--AND NC State loses, Clemson clinches.

In other words:
WF clinches with a win.
NC State clinches with a win + WF loss.
Clemson clinches with WF loss + NC State loss.

Black Friday bump for the UNC/NC State game. If NC State wins, Clemson is eliminated.

NC State wins, Clemson eliminated.

In WF @ BC tomorrow, if Wake wins, they clinch. If Boston College wins, NC State clinches.

I feel like it's important to mention that UNC blew a 9 point lead in the final 2 and a half minutes.

Incredible choke job by UNCheat. 9 point lead with 1:40 left and they lose.

It felt all too familiar unfortunately

I really hope BC wins tomorrow. Wanna see Wiles in the ACC title game

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Even if BC wins, Wake would still go since they would have the same record as State except Wake beat State head-to-head already this season.

Edit: never mind, ESPN is showing Wake as being 6-1 in conference even though they have lost 2 in conference. Stupid ESPN standings.

UNC was an OOC game for them. So 1 in conference L - Clemson and 1 OOC - UNC

How is it out of conference? Just because they already had their 8 conference games scheduled? Is there a reason they would have done that? I'd think you'd try to play someone ACTUALLY out of conference if you already had your full slate.

They got tired of waiting six years to play each other on the ACC rotation, so they scheduled a non-conference game against each other.

How does State clinch if BC wins? State and Wake would both be 6-2 in conference except Wake beat State already for the tiebreaker.

Scroll up a few posts and read the three way tie option at 6-2.

Sorry ESPN standings is showing Wake as being 6-1 in conference even though they have lost 2 in conference. I'm so effing confused right now. Wake's schedule is showing they will have played 9 conference games compared to everyone else's 8, and considering there's an even number of teams, I don't understand how that's even possible.

Had to fact check this one, because I thought it had already happened twice.

We were only up by 8 to ND. (Although if we had kicked the extra point on our previous TD, we would have been up 9.)

We were up by 9 over Syracuse until they scored a TD with 2:28 left. I guess that play started at the 2:30 mark, so technically, they weren't trailing by 9 under 2:30.

Oh well, I guess this keeps us from being on the negative end of another crazy footnote in college football history.

Well, records are meant to be broken.

Thanks, UNC. This was one of those dubious records I'm happy for you to have.

I guess we should officially put a wrap on this year's spin on the Wheel of Destiny.

Wake and Pitt both win their respective divisions with a conference record of 7-1, which is the best record on either side. In other words, no tiebreakers necessary.

In the 16 seasons that the ACC has had divisions, 26 of the 32 division champs have clinched with the best record. Five other champs clinched with a single head-to-head tiebreaker. The only time the ACC needed to go further down the tiebreaker list was in 2012 for the Coastal, when there was a three way tie but two of the teams had sanctions and were ineligible for postseason play, defaulting the championship berth to GT.

Well wrapped bluehokie. Tuned into these updates all year. Nice to keep up with the chicanery in the ACC.

Did we ever actually achieve a true wheel of destiny, either in a single division or in the conference overall?

We did not.

Duke going 0-8 prevented the Coastal and overall from happening. On the Atlantic side, BC went 0-6 against the divisional foes. (Unfortunately, their only two conference wins came from the Coastal.)

Dang yeah I guess Duke broke any possibility of a full conference wheel.

Next year.