2021 NCAA Football Coaching Carousel

We are still in the midst of Week 1, but the hits have started, as UCONN has announced the immediate parting of ways with Randy Edsall, instead of him finishing at the end of the year.

As more coaches get fired, I'll try to update this, but in the meantime, feel free to comment and update when you hear of a change.

1. UCONN - Randy Edsall // Jim Mora
2. Kansas - Les Miles
3. USC - Clay Helton // Lincoln Riley
4. LSU - Ed Orgeron
5. Georgia Southern - Chad Lunsford // Clay Helton
6. Washington State - Nick Rolovich
7. Texas Tech - Matt Wells // Joey McGuire
8. TCU - Gary Patterson // Sonny Dykes
9. Washington - Jimmy Lake
10. FIU - Butch Davis
11. VT - Justin Fuente
12. Florida - Dan Mullen // Billy Napier
13. UMASS - Walt Bell // Don Brown
14. New Mexico State - Doug Martin // Jerry Kill
15. SMU - Sonny Dykes // Rhett Lashlee
16. Akron - Tom Arth
17. Troy - Chip Lindsay
18. Louisiana - Billy Napier
19. Duke - David Cutcliffe
20. Oklahoma - Lincoln Riley

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Best move UConn could have made.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

You hate to see it

Onward and upward

So he went from using UConn as a stepping stone to Maryland...to going back there after flaming out at Maryland...to getting politely shown the door at UConn his second time there.

I guess it's true what they say, it does in fact suck to suck.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Did he get fired for sucking or was there more to it? Seems like a bizarre time to let go of a coach.

I'm sure there was more to it, but it probably had something to do with him sucking. There are a myriad of ways in which one can suck, after all.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

This gives the replacement coach the chance to actually do something with the rest of the year.

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The way he left the first time left a bad impression with folks.

Esdell: im gonna hang it up at the end of the season.

UCONN: fuck you. You're gone. I dumped you this time.

Getting an early start this year.

Guess on who is next?

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Les Miles. Idk what his buyout is, and they probably can't pull in anybody better, but they certainly can't do much worse. That upcoming game vs Duke has Toilet Bowl written all over it. And Frost....and if LSU didn't sell their soul to Eddie O following 2019, I'd imagine people are beginning to murmur in Baton Rouge.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

He got fired in the offseason. Lance Leiopold from Buffalo is HC at Kansas now

Well they should fire him again, just to send a message.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

...and they won for the first time since October 2019. He only needs two more wins to tie the total from the Les "eat grass" Miles era (he was 3-18 at KU). Ouch.

I was kinda reading this as "who's next as a replacement for Edsall" because something tells me Frost will be around after the season too, but even then... I guess he doesn't remember why Miles got fired. Either way, I can't believe that UCONN spent time ranked under Edsall at all the first time around.

Les just got fired from Kansas

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2 good friends that went to NU, and they are ready for Frost to be gone yesterday.

With that said, they and their families (the Nebraska fans I interact with on a regular basis) seem pretty realistic about the actual state of Husker football. That's why it's such a big deal for them to keep their sellout streak going. "It's the only thing we have left"

We were so close to 100 and have probably sold out 10 games since:/

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Crazy to think they moved on from Bo Pelini to this...

Previously LowBrau.

Has the coaching carousel ever started this early?

Sure makes you wonder why they even let him coach the first game. Pure speculation on my part but seems like there had to have been some internal debate in the AD office at UConn ahead of the season and some support for making a coaching change ahead of the season for the rug to be pulled this quickly. I suppose his announced retirement at the end of the season played a large role in starting the season with him.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

If I recall, Southern Miss fired it's coach after one game last season. As someone else speculated, I think for it to happen so early the AD has to already want the coach gone before the season starts.

Some twitter smoke about a possible post game incident(s) b/t Edsall, the players, administration, but nothing confirmed.

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I watched some of Edsall's team vs Holy Cross, and PEEEEE-EWWWW. Holy Cross didn't win by accident.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Fresno State made UCONN look like an FCS school with how much they dominated them. Not overly surprising that an actual FCS school could make them look bad.

You can make an argument that Edsall is the worst head coach in college history for the number of games he has coached. Terrible, awful.

I don't think he would be the worst, just because he did get UCONN to a BCS bowl (even if it was at the tail end of the Big East), but man have things gone downhill since then. For him and UCONN.

You can also make an argument that he is one of the greatest coaches of all time because he somehow took UConn to a BCS bowl game.

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Clay Helton...come on down!

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Why fire a coach after the 2nd game? The AD must have known this was coming. Wouldn't it make more sense to do it before the season?

A lot of USC fans have been clamoring for him to be let go for a few years. Leinart and Keyshawn Johnson came out guns blazing pretty publicly saying that he needs to go ASAP. I don't know what the final straw was, but I'm also guessing some of the boosters stepped up to make this happen too.

I wouldn't be surprised if the early season success that UCLA has had had something to do with this.

I am far from convinced that a win over an LSU team that is looking more and more like a one year wonder means UCLA is "bak", but that may be the perception in SoCal.

That's what fanbases and boosters tend to do..overreact. Rival has success with a high-profile Coach??? Well, better go get us one too!!!

Not that I think Helton was really going to lead USC to much more than mediocrity, but Kelly may have accelerated his demise.

One interesting point for VT...when there was lots of projection that they were going to fire Helton a couple years ago, a name that continually surfaced was James Franklin...it definitely wouldn't be a bad thing to have him out of our Recruiting territory.

Not that the Trojans typically poach recruits from the DMV/Carolinas, but if Franklin were to go to Pasadena, could USC become a name in the game here? Obviously there's plenty of brand recognition. Would recruits start thinking about switching coasts?

Franklin would definitely recruit well at USC, but they have always recruited well anyway just because of being USC. The biggest downfall with USC since the Pete Carroll era is their defense and offensive line, IMO. They used to be one of the top defensive units in the country and could dominate the line on both sides of the ball. They also always had a strong running game. I think they should probably go defense with this hire to counter what Chip Kelly is doing at UCLA. Recruit some elite NFL size in the trenches again and USC will be back.

Honestly, I kinda respect it. If you've got a coach that's been on the hot seat the last couple of years anyway and you give it one more go, then it starts out looking the same, just rip the band-aid off and get it over with. You also can go ahead and start your search early over everyone else and plenty of interested candidates now know you're out there so they themselves can start planning. 2nd game might be a little early but if you did a month from now, fine. I just don't think there's much benefit in keeping the lame duck once you've decided in your head its over.

USC has gone from prestige worldwide to steaming pile of white dog shit very quickly. Together both they and Florida state are so poorly run it ain't funny

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Add Texas to the poorly run list as well

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I'd hold on them sarkesian is a hell of a coach and I think he might be able to get a tune out of them in a year or two. Lots of deadwood to clear out on that roster

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He's made a pretty good turnaround since getting fired at USC six years ago. Good to see he's gotten back on track WRT his issues.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

If true, Wow, just wow.

It's true. Doesn't get much more official than directly from the Athletic Director.

This firing combined with the Jacksonville Jaguars has started up the internet meme train about Urban Meyer taking this job.

I'll help Urban pack. Didn't want him in in Duval before, haven't liked his hires, didn't liked his draft pick usage and haven't liked his coaching. Don't really like him or his wife as people.

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Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I know it's super unlikely but...Justin Fuente to usc?

Onward and upward

Penn St may be more of a concern if Franklin goes to USC. Depends on the domino effect.

I'm still in wait and see mode the next few games. I'd hate for VT to turn into a stepping stone. I'd rather we keep Fuente if he continues to have a good year.

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"Concern" isn't the word I would choose when referring to Fuente leaving

I wouldn't mind VT becoming a "stepping stone" if that means we get up and coming coaches who are hungry to prove themselves and make us better in the process.

I agree that we should be in wait and see mode. I'm really happy with the start we've had to 2021 but is it fools gold? Hard to say. I think the defense has been spectacular. I'm not sold on this offense. I don't think any decisions should be or will be made until the end of the year when we have a full season of games to evaluate.

Onward and upward

I think at this point Fu is staying. The defense looks to be back to form so far, which was a massive question mark coming into the season. The offense isn't what we expected, but I think most likely at this point, barring a collapse of epic proportions, Fu stays and maybe we see a shakeup on the offensive staff for next year with the new funding for football coming online. It was rumored we looked into a new OC after 2019 but were outbid. Not sure if it's true or not, but if Fu sticks around, I think he will have to shake up the O staff at least.

One interesting thought I had since Helton was let go was looking into Graham Harrell coming onboard. His expertise in the passing game and Mike Leach system would be interesting to pair with our resurgent run game and Fu's offense. Lack of a strong passing attack seems to be the biggest drawback of our offense currently. Harrell also has lots of TX/OK ties and even coached under a former OU teammate of Fu's as OC at North Texas before USC.

I think at this point Fu is staying.

At this point, yeah, absolutely. But we're only two games in. 10 more games to play. A lot can change.

maybe we see a shakeup on the offensive staff for next year with the new funding for football coming online. It was rumored we looked into a new OC after 2019 but were outbid.

I have a hard time believing that money was a reason we didn't make a change to OC. I think if Fuente was serious about replacing BC that would have happened already. I don't buy a rumor that he considered replacing him after 2019.

if Fu sticks around, I think he will have to shake up the O staff at least.

I think Fuente had an opportunity to save his career in B'burg by firing BC after 2018. At this point, I think it's too little too late. He's tied himself to Corny and if the offense is the reason our team falters in 2021 I don't think firing BC saves himself.

One interesting thought I had since Helton was let go was looking into Graham Harrell coming onboard. His expertise in the passing game and Mike Leach system would be interesting to pair with our resurgent run game and Fu's offense.

I don't think it's fair to say we have a resurgent run game - it was great with KH but he was a generational talent at RB. I think our running game is fine but nothing to write home about. I think I would be okay with a Mike Leach disciple on our offensive coaching staff. Really, I just want someone who ticks 3 or more of the several boxes that BC currently checks none of - recruit, develop QB, gameplan to attack defensive weaknesses, breakdown film to understand weaknesses of our offense and our opponents' defenses, make in-game adjustments, effective and congruent play-calling.

Onward and upward

I think our run game is still good, we just don't have a back the caliber of Herbert this year with the vision and patience to hit those holes. Holston is a solid 4 yard per carry back, Blackshear seems to be the most effective, and so far King is running into the backs of our OL mostly (but great on kick returns). I like what Vice has done on the OL and think we have built something pretty solid there. QB recruiting, development, and coaching is a huge shortcoming of this staff and that needs to be addressed. Same with WR coaching and development right now.

I have a hard time believing that money was a reason we didn't make a change to OC. I think if Fuente was serious about replacing BC that would have happened already. I don't buy a rumor that he considered replacing him after 2019.

BC almost left to take another job, so Fu possibly talking to other OCs is not out of the realm around that time period.

Now, I don't think Fu would replace Corny willingly. Reading through French's review yesterday, Corny called a good game. But we have a position coach that isn't doing a great job at coaching his position group.

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(no snark) Who was sniffing around BC? I don't remember hearing about that I don't think.

Don't know, but Holmon Wiggins left for Alabama a week after #sauces were sharing rumors of coaching changes.

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I think from a macro standpoint, it is hard to take top 25 recruiting classes and be good at everything we fans want to be good at. Schools in our tier need to focus on an identity and game plan to it. The staff has struggled establishing that identity. For whatever reason, the game planning when we are punching above our weight class seems to be pretty good considering what we are working with. A lot is left to be desired in coin flip and below games though. I dont know exactly what my point is but I am cautious in thinking we could just have a flashier offensive philosophy and we would be great. I think the philosophy is Fuente's. Otherwise, he would have made the change. Dollar for dollar, Corny may be one of the best valued coordinators in the country purely based on how little he is compensated. I assume Fuente has his finger on the offense a lot more than we think. A change would probably look more like Stiney to Lefty versus Corny to chip Kelly.

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Agreed. If there's ever any change on the offensive staff, make no mistake this will still be Fu's offense at its core. We would likely bring in somebody with some connections to Fu or someone recommended by people he trusts, and they would be adding perspective and wrinkles to his scheme, but not wholesale scheme change. I think at this point that's basically what we need. I like parts of the offense, just think QB/WR coaching and development is holding us back.

Can't agree with this enough. Especially watching Hooker competently throw over the middle Saturday and seeing box scores for NDSU's first two games

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I'm waiting until at least 6 games to decide. Have to see what they do with WVa and Pitt. I had those 2 marked as the toss-up games that could/should/would decide things as they would shape the season.

Of course, I had UNC pretty much marked down as a loss, so ...

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I also had UNC marked as a Loss - mostly because I had no idea that our defense was going to hold Sam Howell to 10 points. If this defense proves to be a reincarnation of Bud's great defenses of old I think we will win a lot of games this year. I never, in a million years, thought we'd beat UNC in 2021 by scoring only 17 points. But here we are.

Onward and upward

Well? What are you thinking now?

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Very little hope and I will be really dejected if he is still the head coach on December 31, 2021. In theory, he is still on life support and not deceased. I expected us to be 3-3, just losing to UNC and beating 1 of WVa or Pitt. Again, in theory, we could win 6 more games this season and I'd be fine with 9-4 - and quite happy if that included wins vs. UVa and in a bowl game plus the offense being respectable. But the odds of that are very low. Next game should basically be Fuente's last stand.

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I think he should be fired on the 24th if he loses to Syracuse. Losing to Syracuse in the dreaded Carrier Dome is one thing...but losing to them at home is inexcusable. He won't be though.

Onward and upward

Frosty dad-Happy with 9 and 4 and a uva win- neither will happen. Uva is better than tech, and we aren't winning 6 more games. You can take it to the bank if armstrong doesn't get hurt.

Yep, agree with everything you say. Thinking 3 more wins this season finishing 6-7 is being optimistic. Just waiting for the mathematical, and likely inevitable, end.

Wouldn't be shocked with a win at UVa though. I mean they are UVa.

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to me that doesn't make sense for a number of reasons - he's a Texas guy, and he already hates the PR part of the job in Blacksburg. I can only imagine the PR expectations for being out in LA. If I had to guess as to who would be the front runner its probably Fickell - Current USC AD Bohn was the guy that hired Fickell at Cincy.

I'm not arguing one way or another about it being a good coaching fit, but Fuente is NOT an LA guy from what we've seen. If he leaves on his own, I think it will be for a more rural college town setting.

Even if he doesn't leave on his own you're right that a more rural college town setting is probably more likely

Onward and upward

Fickell has never lived outside of Ohio apart from one year with the Saints, so I don't think that'll ever change

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This is not directed at you necessarily, but I never understood the whole "He's not a [location] guy, it'll never happen".

People out there are saying Fickell is an Ohio guy and he'll never leave. But despite recent W/L records, USC is a top tier CFB job.

Maybe if Fuente wins the ACC this year. But my guess with the early signing period USC will want someone in place sooner than that.

I'd love for James Franklin to go to USC but unless they throw ungodly money at him, I don't see why he leaves PSU. I would guess Fickell is the top guy.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

If Franklin goes to USC, I think Fickle goes to PSU. I also think Fickle to USC is possible (USC AD Mike Bohn used to work at Cincy and was the one who hired Fickle there).

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I think Franklin to USC and then Fickell to Penn State makes too much sense

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I'll go Franklin to USC, Edsell to Penn State, Fickell to Alabama and Saban to VT!

Hey, I can dream can't I?

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Urban Meyer not going over well in JVille. Not shocked, wouldn't be surprised if USC is lining up the Brinks trucks.

Still think it's Fickell or Franklin.

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I wouldn't make any judgements until week 6 honestly. Jacksonville didn't look good on defense, but their offense with a rookie QB didn't help them. If Lawrence doesn't throw those 3 picks the final score likely would have been much closer.

Urban's behavior is not going to sit well with pro players. Once they start chiming in he will announce the USC job has always been his dream and he misses shaping the lives of young men. Or he will pull a Red Fox, grab his chest and leave Jax only to magically be better at the end of the season so he can be announced as the USC coach.

Google Urban Meyer then go to News. It's already looking like a trainwreck.

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I did that yesterday and was shocked over the amount of rumors already swirling. If one were to consult only with Google you'd think Meyer already had the job at USC.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1438165281042583561

#Jaguars coach Urban Meyer answers a question about USC speculation now that the job is open: "No chance. I'm committed to here and building an organization."

So, just like Saban he'll be hired in 2 weeks or so?

wasn't he offered one of the most lucrative contracts for a coach (NCAA or NFL) ever at the time?

methinks he gonna be eating a lot of Papa John's pizza this fall

edit: ok so he's eating a few other things too

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I think Meyer sticks it out. He needs to get over the initial hump and eventually he will LOVE not having to recruit. when he gets guys in there that buy in, he can just coach football and motivate grown men. I think he is ultra competitive, so he won't want to suck. He will weed out me-first guys and win eventually. Jimmy Johnson went through it- said he quickly grew to love just coaching and not recrutiing.

Except one thing that makes him exceptional (he is very good at many things) is his ability to recruit. He can get the best players in CFB. Can he win against the best without them?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

but that doesn't necessarily mean thats something one wants to do. I'm good at a lot of things that I dont enjoy doing.

He did pretty good at Utah.

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So long ago i forgot about that, but good point. He beat teams that likely had better talent more than he lost to them. Having an exceptional QB did help, but he did not have the talent advantage across the board he recruited later in his career.

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How many coaching jobs is he going to take after saying coaching was bad for his heart in Florida? Never been a fan and I do not think he will make it through the grind of the NFL.

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It's all rumor, speculation and bs, but I do hope that this has legs. Send him far, far away from here.

Franklin had been linked to the USC job for 3 years at least

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I just don't see it as much of an improvement job-wise. He goes from blueblood school with a shot at the playoffs to a blueblood school with a shot at the playoffs that will be in need of major work and under more scrutiny.

Maybe if he hates cold winters and loves LA nightlife? Otherwise, the jobs seem pretty on par with one another.

I think the available resources (read:$$$$$) at USC are on a higher plane than PSU.

Plus, from a Recruiting standpoint, you are in a talent-rich area and your campus is in an absolute prime location as compared to Central PA.

Considering that the NIL opportunities in LA have to be much greater as well, there's a pretty significant upgrade.

And probably most important, the path to the Playoff is way easier in the PAC12 than B1G at this point.

Franklin is a very talented Recruiter but a very average X/O guy. If you put him @ USC, buy him some good coordinators and let him bring in talent, USC could quickly assert themselves in the PAC12

I hadn't considered the NIL end of things, but of all the money in LA, does any of it actually care about football?

Bienemy might finally get a HC job reports schefter

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If I had to guess, this is a leverage move from Bienemy's people to show increased desire for his services and potentially for raise negotiations. He strikes me as someone who would rather have an NFL head coaching gig, but it wouldn't totally shock me if he took the USC job if legitimately offered.

Sounds like Coach O's departure is imminent per Twitter rumblings

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It's crazy how you can go from a beloved, national title champion on January 13, 2020 to fired on 10/15/2021.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Les Miles did it...must be something about LSU

Onward and upward

Having lived in NOLA and admired the insanity of Louisiana and LSUs fanbase, I was hopeful that Coach O was THE guy for them. The dudes from Larose (look it up), he's got the accent, it seemed so perfect.

Seems like he was kind of a figurehead riding Joe Brady's genius and now he's on the hot seat.

CFB is wild.

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I really never understood this. Brady was nothing - he was a QC guy for the Saints when Orgeron hired him. It's not like he was this established name in football. The hiring wasn't even that popular when it happened. Now, after the success of that season, Brady goes back to the NFL and it's somehow a negative the Orgeron hired him in the first place.

Now granted, Orgeron royally screwed up OC/DC hires afterwards, but I give him credit for finding Brady when he wasn't a hot comodity.

LSU is one a few schools that should reasonably expect to be in the playoff hunt every year. He did have a perfect storm come together in 2019 for the title, but the lows were unfortunately too low for him.

I don't know if they should reasonably expect it, but they do expect it.

They have the donors, tradition, and recruiting bed to contend most every year. They should more often than not be in the hunt basically.

There are a few other schools with those same qualifications.

Few being the key word there.

LSU is sort of the poster child for the SEC in the "Fanbase with Ridiculous Expectations" category. For the SEC, that's saying something.

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Once Saban retires I think that bama is going to be the same way for a while. We thought that following CFB was hard. Imagine.....

oh, I can't wait!

Onward and upward

They get the edge over Tennessee?

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I mean there are other things going on there. This is not Gene Chizik, he's had good finishes outside of 19, then had to rebuild during the pandemic. What is really getting him the boot is the combo of his involvement in the LSU scandals and losing the locker room last season over political issues (election & protests). Of course if he was winning that would all be ignored.

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LSU do we have a coach for you...

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Are you proposing a trade?

This sounds a touch familiar.

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And thar she blows, LSU will be open

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Wow, the AD's statement is so much more focused than anything we've been fed by Whit:

"At LSU, we expect to compete for SEC and national championships year in and year out," LSU athletic director Scott Woodward said. "We are proud of that standard and will always work to uphold it. Our last two seasons have simply not met that standard. When we evaluated our on-field results and the future of our program with President (William) Tate, we determined that it is time for us to move in a new direction. That was LSU's decision, but it is one Coach O understands."

Of all the users on tkp to post this, you're probably the most appropriate

#succinct

Onward and upward

Well, after all they're a football program with a university attached.

LSU administration:

VT administration:

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With such high profile jobs as USC and LSU available, the demand for a quality HC is going to be high and the supply is getting lower and lower.

Also, even though Kansas is a lower quality P5 school, they are still a P5 school.

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Depends on how bad Miami falls they may be on market also

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With 4 losses already I expect the Miami implosion sooner rather than later. I don't think Diaz has the skills to mold the locker room back together.

Based on the salaries LSU and USC are going to pay, whoever they are going to pick up likely wouldn't have been in our price range anyway, so doubtful they're taking from our pool of candidates.

I imagine LSU will take a hard look at bringing back Dave Aranda. If so, that would open up the Baylor job. You think they would still be interested in Fuente?

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Don't have any knowledge, but I'd sure think the answer would be ...

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Do people still believe the company line that Fuente turned them down and not the other way around? Though I hope they would be interested again. I think Fuente's best fit in the P5 would be in the new-look Big12 without a doubt.

Don't you have to have an offense to play in the Big12?

Yes and no, they have actually sort of trended away from the great offenses thing in recent years, but the talent level in the Big12, and especially soon to be without OU and Texas, is much more in line with what Fuente brings in. Plus, he would be primarily recruiting in the area he has the most history and connections.

Baylor should honestly just hire Jeff Grimes as HC if Aranda goes to LSU.

How often do colleges ever interview someone and decide to pass? As I've pointed out before, Baylor had seen Fuente's on-field performances and his recruiting. They still interviewed him. What do you think he would have said in an interview that would have turned them away more than those things? And what makes you think Baylor people would fly to Blacksburg if they weren't ready to hire him? If they weren't ready to hire him, the conversations with him would have been over the phone. Yes, Fuente had the 6-7 season, but followed it up with an 8-5 season, so, at the time he was interviewed, it looked like he might be turning things around again. So yes, I think Fuente probably turned them down. And maybe they thought he'd recruit better there since he has links to Texas and Oklahoma. Just because we've had two extra seasons to evaluate him and we're way more unhappy now doesn't mean Fuente didn't look like at least a decent candidate then.

wouldn't shock me if they offered him a job on the condition that he leave Cornelsen behind and he refused. Also wouldn't shock me if they asked him to name his top candidates to fill out his staff and when he said Cornelsen they said "Yeah, okay, nvm"

Onward and upward

That was the only thing that I thought might change their minds, but was what I thought they might've been willing to ask over the phone first. But again, Corny was the OC during the 10 and 9 win seasons. They had the down year, and back up, again with Corny. I mean, those first 2 years bought a lot of faith in their abilities from me, and I would assume others as well. After all this time, I still think they're capable of winning, I just don't think they know how to recreate the talent to do it with, which is why they churn through QBs, RBs, and WRs so much (but again, didn't have that insight then). And a P5 job isn't one where coaches should be floundering around trying to figure out how they were so successful before.

Talent can cover up a lot in the way of bad coaching. Our offensive line coaching, starting with Newsome was abysmal. There was just enough talent around to mostly offset it.

The offense is 2017 was absolutely dreadful though. We had a championship defense paired with the same old bad-VT offense we'd come to expect. We kind of wrote it off as a batch of untimely graduations at the time (looking back, was this the first Year-0 of the Fuente tenure?) but it showed what a Fuente-Cornelson offense looked like and it was baaaaad.

You are absolutely correct. We had an elite defense per SP+ Def (9th), and DFEI (11th), and FPI defensive efficiency (11th).

How often do colleges ever interview someone and decide to pass?

A lot, usually. The Split Zone Duo guys discussed this recently. Interviews happen with more candidates and far more frequently than we think for almost every open job. Some of the interviews are more or less formal, many happen at meeting spaces in Airports as well.

That surprises me I guess. Granted, maybe some things you're referring to point to the seriousness of the intent to hire, like interviewing in airports or maybe over the phone. Going to Blacksburg by plane from Texas seems like a lot of effort if they weren't pretty serious. Granted, I also don't know how involved coaching searches are, if AD's talk to candidates over the phone first, talk to references (like other coaches who the candidate coaches worked for in the past, etc.). I would think that most programs would have done a lot of due diligence on candidates first, and so not waste time going places to interview them. And I can also see schools passing on candidates from a salary perspective possibly more than interviews given how readily available performance information is available from the perspective of Wins and losses and recruiting classes. I mean, unless it's also something like interview questions like this: "Hugh - have you given up the prostitutes?" "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (very long pause while he formulates an answer) - yes." "And you're not paying players to win come play for you are you?" "Nobody ever saw me do that - the finding was for not controlling my program!" "You didn't answer the question." "Uhhhhhhh - I, as in, me personally, you know have not, uhhhh, given money directly to any player, and my linebacker swears he found that suitcase of cash all on his own." "Right, thanks for your time Hugh. Guess it's time to go interview Bobby Petrino."

LSU has had 3 straight coaches win a Natty there - it's arguably the best job in the count. Their AD is the one who hired Peterson to UW and Jimbo to A&M - he is going to aim BIG. They will likely land Franklin/Stoops/Fickle. If they are taking Dave Aranda, something went seriously wrong in their search.

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No way. He's trending in the wrong direction. Fuente's best hope is to either rehab as a coordinator or go be the HC at lower level program again.

PAC 12 job open.

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Fu's at home right now using MS Paint to to see if he can transform those TX2VA graphics to TX2WA

Why stop there?

WA2VA

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

We lost out on a 4โญ OL last recruiting cycle from Sammamish.

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Wow, just wow.

If my employee can't walk into the HR office and provide a simple piece of paperwork (exemption or vax card), I'd fire em too.

To be clear: he's never publicly stated he is or isn't vaxxed, Jul 21, he said he wasn't vaxxed, then constantly brushed it off since, his lack of disclosure caused the media stir, opened a public fight with administration, and led to his firing. Bo Pelini 2.0

Whether they align with his position or not, he made himself a red flag for future opportunities.

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The guy had a principle he wanted to stand up for. Agree or disagree, this wasn't about not providing the right documentation or generally being insubordinate.

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Lol... yeah, a real martyr of "principle." He'll be right up there with Gandhi in the next Funk and Wagnalls.

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Let's Go Brandon!!

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yall know better

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We're not doing political memes. If it happens again, you'll strap in and feel the Gs to ban town.

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Almost unbelievable that this would happen in our country, but not surprising I guess given recent events. Happy to see someone sticking up for freedom of personal choice and set an example for his players- lol if I'm Whit I might give him a call tomorrow, but for some reason I doubt that's gonna happen.

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Hi everyone let's not go down the road of the debating the relative merits of vaccine mandates, as the umpteen and a half covid discussion threads proved that the community can't have that discussion without violating cgs

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Wazzu and Oregon State are 2 schools that remind me so much of VT, but with West Coast flair.

I think they should go after Jay Norvell, a little greener on the palouse, and he's got Nevada rocking. Hell of an offense too.

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Anybody want Urban? He is going to be available.

Personally, I think he is a great college coach but a lousy human being. I think I would prefer Freeze.

I think I would prefer a colonoscopy over either of those two coaching the Hokies.

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Agreed. Root canal without pain killers?

both simultaneously

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Meet in the middle?

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(Don't know If this was tongue in check or you like many don't want a colonoscopy) BUTTTT as someone who worked as a GI tech at VCU where I met my gastroenterologist wife I have a special place in advocating for colonoscopies. Colon cancer is among the easiest to prevent, detect and treat if caught early. The only sure fire why to do those though is with a colonoscopy. I've seen too many people especially older males just flat refuse to get this test and it ends up costing them their normal life because of needed drastic surgery or even their actual life when they die. Many people don't like the prep or the idea of the scope. For the prep the key is the two days prior to you taking the prep to clean out is have smaller meals, lots and lots and lots of water the two days before and tons of water with your prep. As for the scope, it's tiny, your unconscious and you won't notice a thing.

Sorry for the rant but just a month ago had a family friend die because he refused to get a colonoscopy and when he finally did after being admitted to the hospital even surgery was too late.

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Yeah, I think cancer in.... uh, that general region... generally is one of the least diagnosed. From my understanding, it IS very important to get them, but, and to the point above, they're generally not that pleasant (especially the part with the ultra colon blow they give you the night before - I haven't had one yet, I'm probably getting close to the age where I should, but my dad described the very close personal relationship he developed with the porcelain throne the night before). I highly recommend them because if someone asks how you're doing, you don't want to have to answer with "well, my ass is killing me, literally."

That's why you do this; you procedure is on Friday you eat normal (not giant meals to "makeup" for missed meal upcoming either) Monday and Tuesday just only water with meals and between. Wednesday you eat light with no red meat lots of water Thursday you drink and eat only fluids or things like jello or light soup. Drink lots and lots of water and drink more water and Gatorade while you take the prep. With less in your stomach and colon from earlier in the week you have less to clear out and it's not as harsh.

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I'll second this - while the prep is not pleasant, its not nearly as bad as people think its going to be. The procedure is also not a big deal if you get knocked out for it.

Good. I'm scheduling mine right now. Not exactly looking forward to it.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Doc says I don't need one yet when I ask at the annual check up. Probably 50 will be the first one.

I recall that my experience was not fun. I was told to drink all the drink prep they give you. I tried. I really tried. But I just couldn't do it. Towards the end I was vomiting the stuff up, in addition to cleaning out he other end.

Then after the procedure I didn't drink enough water and became dehydrated and had to go to urgent care to get that taken care of.

A necessary procedure, but do not look forward to the next one.

My dad passed from colon cancer in March. He had a colonoscopy about 3 years ago where they found a blockage and either a) the docs neglected a follow-up CT, or b) my dad ignored the CT recommendations. My dad was hard-headed as hell and hated doctors so we're leaning towards b, but unfortunately at this point we'll never know. By the time it was diagnosed it was stage 4B and he was too frail for any surgery/chemo options, and he passed 3 weeks later. If he had just followed up with his doctor, he'd probably still be here today.

Long story short - get your shit checked, and fuck cancer.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

Sorry for your loss. Fuck Cancer.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

How about a colonoscopy and an upper GI endoscopy at the same time? Now that's brutal.

Your unconscious you wouldn't know. There actually are people who have their procedures done while conscious to save money and time.

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Wouldn't recommend the conscious version. I've broken LOTS of bones, and had LOTS of kidney stones, but I won't ever have a colonoscopy while conscious again. Didn't last that long, but excruciating for long enough.....felt like being blown apart from the inside.

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I did one while conscious, but was still under some kind of anesthesia. It was sort of interesting, but not for the screamish. I didn't save any money, though. You forget most of it, anyway. You just watch a screen that's showing tissue under light, with a doc making comments.

As for kidney stones, I've had a few of those, too, and I'd absolutely agree to a conscious colonoscopy over suffering a kidney stone. No comparison. A bad kidney stone is debilitating pain, once it reaches a certain point.

The worst part about a colonoscopy, as folks have mentioned, is the emptying process.

The worst part about a colonoscopy, as folks have mentioned, is the emptying process.

This sentence on its own feels weirdly appropriate to a coaching transition/change/search thread.

Women who have had kidney stones and difficult child births have said that the kidney stone passing was much worse. Thankfully I've never had kidney stones (knock, knock) and I'm pretty sure I'll never personally give birth :-).

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I like the "never say never" attitude of this post

Onward and upward

If you hate the gallons of prep ask if your clinic offers the pills next time. A lot of people like them better though they won't keep you from waking up in the middle of the night to poop. Also request anesthesia so you can receive propofol as opposed to versed/fentanyl. Wears off faster with less unwanted side effects

-someone who anesthetizes colons on a daily basis

Sorry to hear that. I did it conscious, and even though I had some decently intense pain due to some tight turns because of few extra feet of colon, I'll do it that way again to avoid the anesthesia hangover. And yes, I'm also cheap, and somehow anesthesiologists always end up out of network, so there's that.

I don't know where you live but in believe that now in Virginia, if you go to an in-network facility to have a procedure done and they use an out of network doctor (eg anesthesiologist), then the out of network doctor has to accept in network pricing. They can't balance bill. That's how it is for my insurance currently.

Well that's a Hell I haven't considered.

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Correct, most anesthesia groups are contracted in by the hospital and owned by nationwide entities now, so almost all hospitals Anestheisa providers (MDAs and CRNAs) might have a company address listed out of state but insurance shouldn't charge you out of network. I'd call and question it if they ever try to. Had this happen to a few patients at my last group and they were able to clear it up with insurance who only read the address and assumed the anesthesia was done out of state.

You'd be surprised; the "anesthesia hangover" should not be nearly existent anymore especially compared to what they used for conscious sedation. Propofol is what CRNAs will use for anesthesia and lasts only about 10-15 minutes and youre up and good. Versed + fentanyl is what's used by an endoscopist who has the nurse in the room deliver these medications but the effects can linger for a few hours afterward.

Just my .02$!

Not brutal at all. I tolerate anesthesia (propofol) very well and had both procedures while comfortably asleep. Woke up feeling great and headed off for a hearty lunch. Now the colon purge the previous day was not fun, but a small price to pay for being cancer free and knowing it for sure.

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Well duh the colon purge wasn't fun, no one likes eating taco bell.

Dave Clawson to VT please

Is coronavirus over yet?

I'll drive a Uhaul over to Winston Salem and pack him up myself.

Stage 3 colon cancer , no symptoms, diagnosed on colonoscopy. 3 major surgeries, it was bad. Go get the procedure, mine was 5 years ago, very lucky to have the best doctors

A lot of shit-talking going on here. Guess we need to colon some experts in our free time.

Anyways...

Any truth to rumblings that the money, donors, major alums will force an early decision if we lose Saturday? JUGS??

Losing Saturday about takes us out of Coastal contention, with the one tiebreaker to Pitt out of our hands. Unless we string 6 straight wins (unforseeable), and Pitt loses 2 games to Clemson and possibly UVA/UNC.

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This feels like the type of game we're going to win. Syracuse is not a good team on the road. VT has a real shot at winning this one. I doubt VT loses but if they do, I want Fuente to be fired on the 24th.

Onward and upward

I keep refreshing all the feeds in hopes JUGS chimes in with some sort of information for us to chew on

I would like to think it's over if we lose Saturday. Whit has surprised us before. So, if we lose, but Fuente is still coaching....

It has to be over if we lose next week to GT.

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In a sane world, yes.

5 losses by election day is not acceptable, especially following a losing season.

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VTtoTX? Tech to tech? Texas tech pls, we have a coach for you

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Whoa, he was on hot seat watch but it seemed like they were having a good year

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

There's already the VT2TT connection with Coach Davidson there

Smart of Fuente to send an advance scout for the next landing spot.

If you see the tweet responses on other posts associated with this firing, there's quite a few TxTech fans who want Fuente.

Some of those responses are coming from VT fans as well.

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If I were Whit I would pay TT $5m to hire him.

Sounds extreme, but it's half his buyout

This is my school
This is home

This would actually be a pretty good spot for Fu. The Big 12 sans Texas and Oklahoma may be a good opportunity, plus closer to home and he has more connections in that area of the country.

Actually, even if TTU doesn't hire Fu, they could hire (and likely will target heavily) Sonny Dykes at SMU. That SMU job may be an extremely good fit for FU if TTU passes.

Hiring Jimmy Sexton means he intends to get paid, one way or another.

Sexton's wiki says he "represents 11 of the 14 SEC head football coaches and 7 NFL head coaches."

Fire up the flight trackers from State College to Baton Rouge!

Nah, he is going to take over for Urban. Flight tracker to Jacksonville.

If anything, him leaving may provide a good boost for VT recruiting.

Previously LowBrau.

Fuente leaving may provide a good boost for VT recruiting...

Onward and upward

Feldman name dropped Sonny Dykes. Now, he's not going to just name drop anybody, so he's gotten intel that VT has some interest in Dykes.

I like his offense, what can he provide us defensively? Or is that the side we will see coaches retained? Would be a good Buzz Williams type hire to right the ship.

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Or Feldmen got his info from Dukes camp to drive up his potential payday

I don't see Babcock laying his hand out for everyone to see.

Also mentioned Chatwell and Napier, but those have been speculated for a while now.

Yeah, I think we've heard Whit say that if you hear something in the media before he announces it, its probably not true.

Feldman is well connected, and doesn't name drop unless he's heard it from a reliable source. It's an Athletic article, so I can't link to it here.

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Big nope for me. He's another guy with Texas connections that won't do him a bit of good here on the east coast. His career win percentage is just slightly above .500. Not a great recruiter either. I think a Louisiana Tech/SMU type job is his best fit.

A Buzz Willams equivalent hire for football would be someone like Dan Mullen. Unfortunately don't see that happening though.

Dykes is being mentioned for TCU and Texas Tech as well.

I would be amazed if he wasn't.

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Clay Helton is the new coach at Georgia Southern, can't post from Twitter at work, but 5 years, $800k/yr

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Akron job just opened up. Just throwing it out there...Justin you like tires, right?

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I drove through Akron recently. It literally smells like tires.

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Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Would should Zip Fuente right on over

Well, he'd certainly be a splash hire, and something completely different.

Is his team actually doing well?

There's no way he gets that job.

Yes. They are making a run for the SWAC and should win the Celebration Bowl should they get there.

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Why? It's one thing at a HBCU but come on this weird world where people think being a great player automatically makes you a great coach is something.

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He was working with high school kids at camps for years before he went to Jack St. Now he has two years of HC experience. I wouldn't say he's totally unqualified as a coach.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

HS camps and HC at low level for his 2nd year is not qualified experience to be a P5 HC. Doesn't mean he can't get a shot at it, but to me that is not much of a resume for a P5 opening.

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I don't know if he'll get the job, but it does make sense to give him a chance to interview. When Teerlinck was hired, there was a lot of chatter on TKP about how his NFL pedigree would be attractive to recruits. If that is true, imagine what a hall of fame player would do to energize recruiting. I don't know how he is with x's and o's, but he could be successful following the Dabo model by energizing recruiting and surrounding himself with a quality DC and OC. The fact that he's at an HBCU is irrelevant. Many successful P-5 coaches got their start at the FCS level.

But almost every coach at any level starts as a position coach, or QC or grad assistant before moving up the ladder. He has done NONE of that.

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Sanders went from being a high school coach at Trinity Christian, straight to college HC and is proving to be successful. Jackson State took a risk, and it is working out well for them. Aflac commercials, increased donations, games on tv, etc.

Not unlike Hugh Freeze and Gus Malzahn leveraging their high school coaching success into college careers.

Which is why I can't wait for someone to finally take a chance on Loren Johnson. Maybe VCUs first head coach.

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And an interview won't hurt. There is potential for the model I described to work. Will it work? Will he get the chance? I have no idea. What I do know is that college football is not what it used to be 10, 20, 30 years ago. In order to compete with the powerhouse programs, schools will likely need to get creative. In the 90's I don't think most people would have predicted that a major driver for recruiting would be fancy locker rooms with laser tag and mini golf. Fast forward 30 years later and that is very much the reality of the game. The programs that got creative and figured out how to throw flashy things at recruits had early success while everyone else was left catching up. Is my example the same as giving a HOF coach a chance? Probably not, but both are examples of doing something outside the norm because the same old same old clearly won't work into today's game.

I can understand where your hesitation is coming from and I feel very much the same way.

But just because one doesn't have x,y,z experience, doesn't necessarily mean they aren't capable of doing the job.

Someone posted a comment from Coach Smart about a big chunk of his job being recruiting -- if Coach Prime can do that (and fill his staff to cover any expertise gaps he has), then I can see things working out.

It would be interesting if TCU goes in this direction. TCU is by no means a blue blood, and I'm not even sure how a school becomes a blue blood these days.

One thing I'm certain of -- is that any non-blue blood looking to make it big needs a catalyst and will have to think outside the box. #noriskitnobiscuit

You don't become a blue blood. You either are, or you're not. That's sorta the point

Onward and upward

Another potential candidate is Dallas Cowboys offensive coordinator Kellen Moore, whose representatives have reached out to TCU, per a source.

Fascinating.

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He will be coveted for several NFL jobs this offseason, not sure why he'd want to go to TCU. Plus he'll be in the middle of a playoff race by the time TCU wants to announce

Not sure if this is right thread, but interesting.....

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From Jan. 1, 2010 to Jan. 31, 2021, public universities in FBS conferences paid out more than $533.6 million in dead money to head coaches and assistant coaches in football and men's and women's basketball, according to an analysis of financial records obtained by ESPN through state open records laws.

Power 5 programs included in the survey of public universities -- those in the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC -- accounted for 88% of the dead money. The SEC led the way with $151 million, followed by the Pac-12 ($114.1 million), Big Ten ($106.8 million), Big 12 ($58.8 million) and ACC ($40.0 million).

I saw this on ESPN this morning. The amount of sunk cost that is out there is incredible and the fact that several schools are paying 4 coaches not coach right now is crazy,

I agree.
Hypothetical: if college coach payouts were made illegal (I know, can't/won't happen) do you think coaching, recruiting, management of academics, etc would change?

If you knew if you got fired you don't get a dime, would you 'be better? '

Why can't it happen? If everyone is following the same rules, then it shouldn't be an issue. If you're a coach and don't like the rules, you do not have to be a coach. I've never understood why buyouts are even included. The majority of these coaches are state employees. Are there other state employees who get paid for poor job performance/termination? The buyouts can be helpful for schools, but based on the article it seems like they are far more beneficial to the coaches.

Actually, there probably are. These are called "buyouts" but they are actually severance payments. They are negotiated up front because coaches are hired under a specific contract. Regular state employees (and employees of private companies) are often eligible for severance packages, too if they aren't terminated for cause.

I still don't get it. There is no reason for it other than greed.

Regular state employees (and employees of private companies) are often eligible for severance packages, too if they aren't terminated for cause

You're proving my point. If Fuente gets canned it is due to poor job performance aka cause. If a clerk at the District Court who makes 32k a year isn't entitled to severance pay for poor job performance, why should a multi-millionaire get that pay?

Fuente is not an at-will employee and has an employment contract. At-will employees can be let go at any time for any reason (as long as it is not discriminatory against a protected class) and their employment is governed by whatever employment policies or practices the organization puts in place. If the organization violates its own policies they may have a grievance for wrongful termination.

A contracted employee has no protection other than what is written into the agreement. It's very typical for all employment of this nature to have severance pay written in. Not winning enough football games is not grounds for termination for cause. He would have to basically not show up for work, breach employer-employee trust, or do something highly illegal or unethical to be fired for cause. When you work under a contract it's typical to have this sort of protection. When you work for a Board or are in an executive position in local government they all have some sort of severance written in. It is because of the inequality of bargaining power between the employee and employee. You work at the pleasure of the employer and can be terminated at any time, so this is the insurance policy so to speak put into these contracts. Now I totally agree that the buyouts in college football have gotten completely absurd, but it's becoming standard practice in the industry everywhere. Eventually when schools with more money than sense stop agreeing to these ludicrous severances, it will start to go away hopefully.

Actually poor performance is typically not cause and an employee let go for that reason will usually get severance. And most people laid off due to reductions in force are almost always the lower performing people. Those people also typically get severance.

You're probably thinking about it like a normal employee. Poor performance is a reason to fire someone, but "cause" in this context is usually you've done something illegal or violated NCAA rules. Not sure if the contracts spell out specifically or generally what constitutes "for cause" but it's usually pretty bad.

The reason cause is NOT for poor performance is because there are lots of nuances. If you're a brand new coach, are you not allowed to lose games until you can recruit the types of players you want and install your system? Then you have to define "poor performance" how many games are you allowed to lose? What if your starting QB gets injured, and your backup is only pretty good and you had to play the two toughest cross-division opponents? Basically it really amounts to being protected from made-up or arbitrary reasons for being fired. If there was no buyout, the AD could fire a coach for parting his hair the wrong way. If you think coaches don't get fired for stupid reasons - a great example is probably Phil Jackson with the Michael Jordan-led Bulls. Apparently the GM, Jerry Krause, did NOT get along with Jackson (and apparently MJ as well?). He said he was going to get rid of Jackson, and Jordan said he wouldn't play for another coach. This is after they won every championship that Jordan played in for the previous 7 seasons (so minus 1 for the season he played baseball). I guess Krause didn't care and really didn't like Jackson and fired him. That's what a buyout protects against.

If you ask what protects us from poor performance - the answer is it's built in. No coach WANTS to do badly. Their incentive is to keep doing well and keep getting paid well, possibly even getting an even better paying job. Losing, and losing a lot, yes, will usually get a coach fired and the buyout, but if you think the buyout is worth it - probably not. It usually means becoming a head coach at a G5 or FCS school or a backwards move to a coordinator position. Those pay a small fraction of what their current pay is. So there can be strong dis-incentives for loyalty. That's nice you want to keep your OC, but are you willing to ride that train to an 80% pay decrease? So some coaches will get another job that might not be as big a step down rather than continuing to do poorly and they are likely to have to take a much worse job. The coach leaving saves the school from paying the buyout.

Hope that makes sense for why there are buyouts and what the various protections are.

They tried putting coaching pay under rules decades ago, lost in court, who knew millionaires have good lawyers. (this was before any of them made 1 mil in a season).

This absolutely goes against my general philosophy, but in this case, I would love to see something along the lines of no university that receives federal research grants or takes in people with federally-subsidized student loans can have an employee paid more than the official salary of the US President. Does not have to be set up exactly this way, but something to return the absurd arms race in coaches to some semblance of rationality. We can grandfather in everyone being paid now, but set this up for all new contracts. Yeah, I know it won't happen - and even if it did, places would find some way around it - but would like it to in this 1 particular case and I can dream. Make universities about actual education for jobs in the modern economy.

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They've already found ways around that. Basically separating the athletic department from the rest of the university. Or they get a small salary from the university, and the bulk of their compensation comes from "endorsements".

Does Whit want to be responsible for 20% of the ACC's Don't Coach expenses?

Also. For every million dollars the ACC pays coaches not to coach, the SEC pays 3.775 million.

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It just means costs more.

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Dead money don't make money....

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Just hire Shane Beamer, talk Frank and Bud into maybe a year or two and somehow manage to pry Rickey Bustle away from Athens Christian HS in Georgia, their season is almost over. We can party like it's 1999 all over again!

Not just any player, it was Craig James' son (sports announcer)

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That article fails to mention tons of details where Craig James son made up a lot of the issues. New York times did a very indepth report about it that came out way too late after he was smeared.

Also he is still suing TTU. So um are they going to pay him the money they owe him for wrongful termination?

Do you have an article for this? I looked for one and couldn't find it.

So I can't find the article, all I could find is references to the deposition obtained by SportsbyBrook. I found the Bleacher Report Article. that talks about what happened vs what Adam James told his father.

There was a concussion involved and one of the trainers asked his son to sit in a storage closet

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Stand in a storage closet. Big difference. While Leach's approach was unorthodox, it wasn't malicious from what I understand. if you suspect a concussion, you put them in a dark place, make sure they don't fall asleep.

make sure they don't fall asleep.

While many people still believe this, there is no medical data to indicate that a person with a concussion shouldn't be able to sleep and rest. The primary issue is that it can be difficult to ascertain if people are experiencing any other serious effects while they are asleep, not that the act of sleeping in and of itself is a problem.

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Great news for VT that UF isn't opening.

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Yeah, the waxing by Shane&Co. was the final nail for Grantham.

Mullen's seat is rapidly warming up but he will probably get 1-2 more years to show some improvement.

Changing coordinators allows an extra year or 2 to right the ship.

Whit, if you're paying attention, at least some portion of the fan base would be okay with changing coordinators, to avoid paying that buyout you are holding onto....

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I think you're right that "some portion" of the fan base would be okay with this. Personally, I think it's too late for that. There is more wrong with this program than just the offense. I really don't think Fuente knows how to properly manage a P5 program. I hope he learns from this experience and puts it all together one day but his time is up at VT.

Onward and upward

Offense is one of the things wrong, but it's not even first on my list. Recruiting, culture, development, strength & conditioning, fundraising, media relations, fan engagement, in game decisions, game planning, conservative philosophy, playing not to lose, etc. all stem from Head Coach Justin Fuente. Changing coordinators will not change the identity of Justin Fuentes Virginia Tech Hokies.

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Couldn't have said it better myself

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conservative philosophy, playing not to lose, etc
Please move these two higher up on your list....lol...The lack of b@lls drives me crazy.

At some point it always clashes with the "winning the right way"/Hokies Respect ideology.

There is a happy medium between how Tech has traditionally done things and going full Cobra Kai "sweep the leg". I wish that we could make our way there.

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How does conservative philosophy, playing not to lose (being aggressive on 4th down, not being afraid to score when we're up 3 with 6 min left) clash with "winning the right way" or the "Hokies Respect Ideology"???

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I'm not talking about play strategy (necessarily) - Frank wasn't one to go for it on 4th, while someone like Kiffen does it too often. I speaking in more general terms about how VT approaches athletics management and growth that extends to much of the ACC as well.

We don't fire people midseason, or very often at all, for that matter. We tend to keep people around too long because it seems the "right thing" to do.

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Might be why we have 0 team national championships in any D1 sport

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Oddly enough he was fairly aggressive his first year or two. Lots of 4th down calls and the like, I think he's gotten more conservative as the offense has deteriorated

Fair enough - that was briefly exciting. But he just seems checked out these days.

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Haha list isn't in any specific order

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Man, if Grantham retires then a Beamer Started his career and ended his career

Texas tech made a hire (per McMurphy):

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He plans to start immediately. Wow. So, could have fired and replaced Fuente in the same year? Tx Tech just did it. Ffs.

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yeah but starting in the middle of the year is no good. A great football mind once said (paraphrasing) that spring ball is the only time you can really coach during the year. In the fall, it's all just prep and the player's can't learn anything.

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Whoever said that should reconsider

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Yea if your willing to hire a portion coach you can.

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So he's just leaving Baylor's staff mid-season during a pretty good year? That seems questionable...

Its unclear if he's starting immediately or after the end of the regular season, but I agree it certainly shows a lack of loyalty if he starts immediately.

How so? Getting a start on recruiting is a big thing. Yeah Baylor could in the big 12 but would need to beat OU this weekend and Have OSU loss twice which seems unlikely. Though he could really help Baylor by having TTU beat OSU. But Baylor probably isn't going to a NY6 bowl.

Also he could have told his manager that he was leaving and they just said bye. Maybe you want to get another coach some expirence to evaluate for a promotion.

Washington fired their OC

Lots of coordinators and position coaches getting canned this weekend, and not by small schools. This is what I expect from programs that have aspirations to be great and don't let poor coaching fester the program. Either we don't want to be great, or don't have the cajones to do it. Change has to come from the top - if Fuente isn't smart enough to make the call on the coaches that aren't cutting it, then Whit needs to make the call for everyone to go.

If you fire everyone now, who is going to coach the team?

If you don't fire everyone now, who is going to coach the team?

Previously LowBrau.

Fuente and his staff are coaching the team, even if we don't like the way they are doing it or the results on the field/recruiting trail.

I think you missed the joke...

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Nope, I've seen (figuratively) it every weekend since week 3.

One less school to potentially compete with for a coach.

Somehow, Scott Frost is staying put

Nebraska out here giving Whit another option. Stop it.

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dude Trev Alberts is the AD at Nebraska? I had no idea. At least you don't have to listen to his bad takes on the ESPN studio show on Saturdays, he was the worst.

Sounds like one more year and he's toast if he can't turn it around. That job is an incredibly tough sell.

Sounds like they couldn't do the $20m buyout so giving him a shot to make the AD look good or fire him for less money next year.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

How much you want to bet that renegotiated contract lowered the buyout?

Sure it did. Cut it in half

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If he believes in himself and his players, why not. It is his dream job and he is trying to make it work. I actually like the admin for giving him another shot, but I don't blame them for stacking the deck.

Yeah I follow Nebraska pretty closely. They've had trouble finishing games and have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory a few times. Its hard to win in the B1G right now but at least they're trajectory looks okay-good, I think Frost is going to turn it around this gives him the opportunity to.

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Also most of his offensive staff was let go.

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Jimmy Lake suspended without pay. I think the reasoning was kinda weak sauce, given the video...

Looks like they're negotiating a buyout with him per a radio show out that way. The incident is kind of a final reason on top of the team just not being very good.

He hit a kid in the head then pushed him, after the scrum was over.

I dunno if that's grounds for his dismissal but its hardly 'weak sauce'. Plus he lied and said he was "separating him" which he clearly was not.

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I don't agree with what Lake did and think some sort of admonishment was deserved, I do think that UW is using this incident as fuel to get rid of a Coach that they don't want.

I do think that part is weak sauce. If you want to fire your coach because he is unsuccessful, then be honest about it.

You can't be fully honest if you're UW because that means you lose your leverage in negotiating down the buyout.

Of course they can't but it doesn't make it not weak sauce for using it as a way to fire him for less money.

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Lake's done a bunch of embarrassing stuff off the field. The comments about Oregon not being a recruiting rival were... weird.

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I don't agree with what Lake did and think some sort of admonishment was deserved, I do think that UW is using this incident as fuel to get rid of a Coach that they don't want.

He gifted them the opportunity. Lake has had too many missteps. Hitting a player crosses a line, and is an automatic termination. I'm surprised he's still on the payroll. So yes, while UW was waiting for a reason, Lake gifted it to them in the most public, social media frenzy manner possible.

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I would have posted this in the Fu rumor thread, but since they closed it...

...we made it into an SEC Shorts YT skit this week. I watch a lot of SEC ball and these are always on point, so it was grimly? Hilarious to see Hokies represented. They certainly have an opinion on our next football coach. Please remove if not allowed to share the link, but do go check it out.

https://youtu.be/bNNLl5WYdFs

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Atlanta Falcons -> UCONN?

Um, okay...I'd consider that a splash hire for UConn, not knowing exactly what UConn's football future holds.

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I still resent Zumwalt over that blatant targeting against LT3 in that Sun Bowl

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Yeah, Zumwalt is a real piece of shit. Especially since that is how LT3's career ended as a Hokie.

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Sounds like Napier and Tony Elliot have both interviewed at TCU

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Considering Napier in the past has told teams to wait until the season is over before taking interviews, the fact that he's now taking interviews indicate that he's most likely ready to move on from Louisiana this year. He's no longer content to just wait for the perfect job

He's no longer content to just wait for the perfect job

Calling Mr. Babcock... Please enter the discussion.

"I have sources who said it appears that Mel Tucker is going to be getting a contract extension with money around $6.8 to $7.8 million (per year) with escalators and bonuses that could take him up even higher," said Beard, adding that the news is "unconfirmed."

If true, LSU will likely make a push with huge dollars for their next candidate. A few rumors were floated that they wanted Tucker.

edit: updated 11/17. Free article that was posted on reddit from another forum saying that Tucker is about to be made the highest paid African American head coach in all of sports, ahead of Tomlin and Doc Rivers. "A potential raise to just above $8M per year would be a nice boost for Tucker, whose current contract sees him making $5.5M per year. This would put Tucker in the tail-end of the top-five highest-paid coaches in college football."

Lincoln Riley to LSU for a cool $10m/year

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I read this tweet as dispelling "Lincoln Riley flew to baton rouge today" rumors by claiming he was on the practice field and obviously can't be in two places at once

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That's why LSU came to him in Norman.

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I am surprised $10 mil would be a large upgrade. He's got to be the best P5 cost per win HC right?

Is David Shaw not African American?

What's Coach Eric Taylor up to these days?

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While I know heart is full and his eyes are clear, and he probably can't lose, he did get into a mess in Bloodline.

I just don't know if we want that type of baggage coming along with him to Blacksburg.

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Another P5 job

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I wonder if they would consider talking Mendenhall into coming back to the west coast?

But UVA football is in a much better position now than it's been in awhile. If he gets poached, they have a shot to elevate that program with a splash hire.

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If he decides to go back west, half the PAC 12 is looking to be open. Washington, USC, Washington State are currently open. UCLA is rumored to be opening, Arizona Sate has a good chance of opening due to the recruiting scandal/violations, Cal may open if Washington wants Wilcox.

Ironically, I think Dave Clawson would be a tremendous fit at UVA and probably do insanely well there. That would be a nightmare scenario if Bronco ever left.

It's funny, because UVA hired Mike London for winning a natty with all of Clawson's players....

Now a mike london 2.0 is a hire I could get behind for UVA

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His job was previously posted on the AFCA job board

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Probably means the Miami job will be open as well. Not really the best mix to have a new AD inherit a football coach on the hot seat.

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Fobbs is out at Grambling according to ESPN. Not sure if you're tracking that level.

Technically we need to add Justin Fuente is out at VT to this list.

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Just as interesting to me is that Whittingham might be retiring from Utah. I don't know that it would overlap our coaching search, but I don't think I saw any rumblings of that before this. I also got a chuckle that they put UNC's potential loss of Mack in the blurb about Duke

on another thread, mentioning how crazy the coaching carousel will be this year, i almost listed the possibility of mack brown retiring this year...that guy just looks miserable and lost on the sidelines this year.

I don't buy it. How will Colin Robinson Mack Brown sustain himself by absorbing the energy of opposing coaches without the post-game handshakes? Dude's gotta eat.

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Shouldn't Umass be on the tracker as well?

Wonder if they will target Stoops? Hopefully not Napier...

Wow.

I was told very possible after FSU but not likely before this weekend.

Napier is definitely on the radar at UF. Hopefully if Napier is our guy, Whit has already made lots of progress.. Otherwise this could definitely be a problem.

Looks like the Saban Rehabilitation Center has found its new OC for next season

UF didn't even allow Mullen to make it to 'Year 1."

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Lol I feel like we are so boned with all of these openings

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I'm preparing myself to be massively disappointed.

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Whit is going to have to really earn his paycheck this year.

LSU, USC, UF and depending on how the dominoes fall, PSU and Okla. could all come open this year. That's alot of competition.

Not pulling the trigger in 2020 is looking more and more ominous.

But last year, we didn't have the funds available to pay what we are preparing to this year. We could have ended up really settling last year. I feel pretty confident we can attract a quality candidate with the resources we can now put on the table.

Still no match for Florida, USC, Penn State, LSU.

Also no proof we didn't have the funds. Most accounts were that we did

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Florida is the only one there we are really competing against, likely with Napier. Penn State relies largely on the assumption that it opens up with Franklin heading elsewhere (USC), but I don't think they go that route. LSU is going to shoot for the moon with Riley and Jimbo before they even get to Napier. Those openings could then create some domino effects but that's an endless what-if game. I like Napier a ton but TBH not the end of the world if we miss out on him. I also like Huff as a 1b.

I live in the heart of Gator Country and the 3 realistic names that are circulating are Napier, Mike Stoops, and Bill O'Brien (OBrien being a distant 3rd).

Sure, there are the fringe fans wanting Lincoln Riley or to bring back Urban Meyer, but neither is happening.

But lets say UF does hire Mike Stoops from UK. Then UK needs a Coach---and they go after Napier. Is VT really a significantly better HC job than UK at this point??

To you or me, definitely, but to a Coach looking at it on an objective, 1:1 fashion, the conclusion might be much different.

So while the Dominoes are endless and mostly theoretical at this point, they do matter and it seems like 2021 is a much more challenging Hiring Environment than 2020 was.

Maybe Whit hits a Home Run and nothing ever comes of this, but the Outcome of this season on the field was utterly predictable and if we end up with our 5th Choice for new H.C. because we decided to bring back Fuente for a Lame Duck season, its going to be pretty inexplicable.

Yes, VT is clearly a better job than UK. Other than being in the SEC, there is no reason why UK should be ranked higher. That is a dead-end job with little to no hope of ever winning the division, much less conference. If Napier turned down USCe and Auburn last year but chooses Kentucky over VT, that would shock me.

Is VT really a significantly better HC job than UK at this point??

UK is better for work life balance. But the ceiling is higher at VT than Kentucky.

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UK is $5 mil a year for 7 wins. You win seven and you get a new contract.

Mark Stoops' job at Kentucky gets discussed on a lot in college football circles, but it all depends on what you think makes a better job. It's virtually impossible for Kentucky to have sustained success within the SEC, but they pay SEC money, and the expectations are relatively low, especially for the SEC. There's more details in the article below, but Mark Stoops is getting $5.25m with a contract that increases by $250k every year, and automatically gets extended by a year if they win seven games. Who knows if that type of contract would be given to the next coach, but it's not a bad way to live.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2021/10/12...

Yep....that's my point.

SEC $$$ and an Athletic Department flush with cash from Basketball.

A much more reasonable Booster and Fanbase Group from an expectation standpoint when compared to most of the Rest of the SEC.

Definitely gonna take a ton of things to fall right to have a shot at SEC East Championship, but Missouri and South Carolina have both won the East within the last 10 years or so.

Depends upon exactly what your goals and expectations are but UK Football Head Coach isn't nearly the dead end it was even 10 years ago.

Big question is if Stoops likes his current setup enough to stick around.

Napier has passed on better SEC jobs than UK

That's not a great thing for us. I've heard some smoke about Napier indirectly through a prominent VT donors camp, but I think Florida opening is scary.

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Agreed. UF job open is not good for Napier chances

Whit had to cut salaries to the entire department last year and cut a massive number of employees last year. We still ended up in a huge deficit. There was no money available last year.

I still don't understand why people say this when Whit went out of his way in the 2020 press conference to expressly state that they had the fund to make the move if they wanted to. If he didn't have the funds why not just skirt the issue?

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If indeed ESPN just happened to capture the moment at the skybox in Miami, Whit has his guy locked in.

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What scene is this? For those of us who missed the game?

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The camera showed Whit in a box and he was grinning ear to ear and laughing with the guys around him. He looked really happy, much different from what we've seen of his body language recently. Gjp has a gut feeling that he's acting like that because he's got his guy already.

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Not to be a conspiracy theorist; however, that thumbs-up means something.

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could you imagine Cookie Monsters voice on the big screen announcing Enter Sandman?

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Cookie Monster is pretty intense, I could see him being into thrash metal. Gotta burn off all that sugar.

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There are only so many good candidates to go around. Whit is either going to have get creative or get left with a disappointing hire.

That's why you go in a different direction at this point. Tech is looking at being the 5th best job open this year and pay wise probably 6th. Time for Freeman or Gattis hire.

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I'm going to put my money on Huff at this point. I'm not opposed to keeping JC Price as interim for next season as well

Keeping an interim coach through the recruiting cycle is suicide

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I personally still feel like it's going to be Napier, even with the UF opening. But even if we miss out on him, I'm confident we could lock up Huff. The recruiting potential with him is huge, and he would be more affordable leaving even more funding for assistants.

Coulda been #2 last year

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Gross

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Looks like we were a year too late.

Gonna be some really stiff competition for a quality HC.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I actually think last year would have been tougher competition. LSU, USC, and Florida are out of our league and are going after top-tier candidates that wouldn't come to us. The other P5 openings are in different regions, so I don't think they really affect us. Whereas last year we would've competed with South Carolina, Tennessee, and Auburn.

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Auburn came open late though. The only job better than us at the time last year was Texas and we weren't gonna be in the same candidate pool as they were. South Carolina is worse than us. Tenn is debatable. They have a lot of stuff in their favor but they were/are coming out of a messy admin/booster situation that some coaches might not be down for. So really VT would have been like the 2nd or 3rd best job out there no matter how you slice it. Now it's somewhere 5th or lower.For various reasons, it was pretty obvious the move needed to happen last year but there was a path for a debate about it. A year later, there's no longer a debate.

Now we just have to hope Whit is one hell of a deal maker.

I don't know if UF is a better job right now.

The expectations are unreal.
You have to constantly recruit against UGA and are assumed to win, 100%.
You have to win 10+ a year.
There's zero leash.

They say he can't recruit:
His classes went
2019 - 9th (90.5 avg)
2020 - 9th (90.7 avg)
2021 - 12th (90.3 avg)

Depending on the money, that feels like a career ender to me. I may be biased but I'd take VT.

You're insanely bias if you think VT is a better job than UF. UF has more money, better recruiting territory, better tradition, more national name recognition.

That doesn't mean that it's impossible to convince a coaching candidate to come to VT instead of UF, but 95%+ of candidates (if not 99.9%) would choose UF.

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I'm just saying right now...If I'm a coaching candidate. Id have some reserve watching them fire Dan Mullen.

He was 34-15. 7 of those losses came against top 10 teams. 4 were top 5 teams.

I understand the past few games have been a dumpster fire ...but, He helped them win 2 national championships...

Is anyone else even going to be given a chance to build anything?

That being said...I'd take Mullen in a heartbeat - after some due diligence of course trying to understand what the hell happened the last half of the season

Florida is a good job, but go in knowing that your seat is a little warm even before you get there.

It's not a career ender, you don't get to be the HC at UF unless you have a demonstrated high level of success in CFB previously. Being fired after head coaching a few years at UF means you step down to another head whistle job at a lower P5 or G5 job.

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Being fired after head coaching a few years at UF means you step down to another head whistle job at a lower P5 or G5 job.

This is true at most other P5 programs, too.

UF isn't a one contract job like Tenn. Their expectations to have top recruiting classes and compete for Natty's aren't unreasonable. Mullen is losing games but he also lost the locker room. It's a high pressure gig, but expectations are very attainable.

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It takes a keen eye; the best candidate is almost never who you think it is. Tech gets it right this time.

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Sooo Napier to UF, Chadwell to VT, Napier flops and chadwell kills it?

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Chadwell would be paying Fu the buyout just to hire him back again. No thanks.

Yup. Offense is too gimmicky. Don't think it will succeed against P5 competition

While LSU, UF and USC are all schools who have won national championships and have more funds, there are things Whit can sell about VT. Those schools are cut throat when it comes to football, Whit can sell giving the next coach time and patience. UF has to face Georgia and LSU every year, LSU has to face Bama, TAM, UF, Auburn, and Ol Miss every year. USC has Oregan plus being in the PAC12 is a disadvantage for the playoffs IMO. Whit can sell that we play in a weaker divine with an easier path to the ACC championship and potentially the playoff. Whit needs to give confidence that we will invest in the staff and support staff and the reach for 25 should benefit our next coach. I'm optimistic that Whit went after his #1 based on the timing of Fuente's firing. If it's Napier, he has probably mapped out his ranking of openings so I hope we are at the top of his list also.

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Don't think the UF job is that attractive to Napier. Other than SEC and all the $ the expectations are sky high. He'd end up like another McElwain

Well, hopefully he wouldn't end up nude on top of a shark at least.

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Mullen got fired with a .64 win percentage behind only Spurrier and Myer at UF good luck to whoever takes that job.

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There were lots of other issues behind the scenes.

There was resentment over waiting til mid-Season to fire Grantham when it was felt his performance had already more than spoken for itself. More so, major issues with the Locker Room and players being discontent. No word on whether Turkey Bacon was involved. That discontent bleeding into Recruiting..where UF currently sits 29th on 247.

Not saying it was the right move and this season was largely derailed by not really having a reliable option at QB. I think Mullen is still a good coach but he was hanging on to Coaches that weren't performing and had bad mojo brewing within the Program.

Sounds familiar, huh???

Difference being UF didn't have the patience of VT to wait 3 more years hoping things would turn around.

I don't know about all the locker room stuff and behind the scenes...and maybe Mullen and the AD don't get along. I don't know.

But comparatively -
Fuente was a relative unknown who took a dumpster fire Memphis program and turned it into a top 25 team
Mullen has two national championship rings. At Florida. And a proven head coach in the SEC...

I'm not sure it's a good look for UF....

They are 29th due to a small class when you take the per recruitnranking they are 14th, and slightly below their past 4 year average for recruit rankings (89 vs 90)

You're the insider, but idk this seems like a perfect fit for him. He wants to apply the Saban blueprint with basically unlimited resources and a winnable division, Florida has that. He's turned down SEC jobs with sky high expectations and impossible paths to meet those. UF can meet their expectations and he can get everything he asks for there with no hesitation.

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Exactly. All the articles about him over the last couple of years have indicated he'd love to be in the SEC. Given his philosophies about how he wants to run a program and the fact the he turned down other SEC jobs, the only schools that meet his requirements are Bama, LSU, UGA, and UF. Two of those jobs are open. I have a hard time buying Napier wouldn't have some interest in UF based on the public knowledge we have. Now maybe there's something behind the scenes where he'd pass them over, take a job elsewhere (fingers crossed its VT) and wait for Saban to retire, but on paper, UF checks every box for what he says he wants.

Stability and long term is something Napier wants and is at the top of his list. Seeing UF fire Mullen after 1 bad year doesn't help. Not having a HC longer than 4 years since Urban isn't great either.

It's UF vs VT and there's pro's/con's for both. Would expect him to decide by end of week.

I'll gladly take Mullen at the helm. Guy has pedigree of success.

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Neither official yet, but two more potential moves being made. If the Dykes -> TCU happens, that will open up a coaching spot at SMU.

I've got a well connected buddy at UF and he told me that we would be crazy to hire Mullen. Complete control freak with offense and lacking any sort of social skills when dealing with alumni relations. Also poor recruiter.

So, another Fuente.

Yeah, the recruiting comment he made says a lot about his social savvy and self-control in stressful public situations.

I get he probably meant he wasn't interested in talking about recruiting during the season and wanted to sidestep the question, but it came across like he was saying they didn't recruit during the season and made him seem petty and stupid. Not a recipe for success.

If you're Nick Saban, you can berate the press. Otherwise you better get a long to go along.

So, another Fuente

Mullen had Mississippi St #1 in the country, developed multiple QBs at multiple stops including a 3-star named Dak something or other, made one of the most difficult programs in the country competitive in the SEC West, won a SEC East title last year, recruited poorly compared to UGA and Bama, and is considered a possible NFL jump because of how good he is with the offense so of course he's a control freak. That UF fan is mad, but Mullen is no Fuente dude.

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Mullen might be better off in the NFL... less politicking involved.

EDIT: I also don't think the fact that he coached Dak Prescott is relevant to VT at all... There are (and have been) lots of starting QBs in the NFL.. They all had coaches in college. Dak Prescott is in the NFL because he's Dak Prescott, not because Mullen was his coach. The notion that there's some transitive property there or the idea that player development is some kind of special wizardry to be sought out and brought to VT seems like snake oil to me.

College coaches are there to teach kids the game plan and put them in position to succeed. Head coaches are executive politicians (CEOs who sell a product). If VT isn't looking for people who will be successful in those paradigms, I'm not sure they're on the right track.

poor recruiter.

Me looking at UF's 12th ranked class last year:

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To play devil's advocate Florida kind of recruits itself. Not like McElwain or Muschamp recruited any worse when they were there. Also while the SEC is tougher he was working with higher caliber talent and yet his results trajectory wise don't look all that different to Fuente's first 4 years (except recruiting hasn't bottomed out for Florida yet)

I'm pretty sure Mullen would be an upgrade in all phases of football coaching from Fuente. His recruiting would certainly be an upgrade.

Well, may be more of a wash in media relations, but nobody would care if VT were winning.

The one thing I'd be concerned about is relationships with players, as that's important to me, and Mullen may come up short there.

The only thing I would worry about Mullen with respect to being VT's coach would be relationship with the fanbase. I feel like thats the only similarity between him and Fuente.

There are definitely concerns with Mullen, but as I've said before if there weren't concerns about a VT HC candidate they wouldn't be a VT HC candidate. Fanbase relations, media relations, and keeping his locker room from quitting are my main concerns about Mullen. I would still take him in a heartbeat though.

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Poor recruiter in the SEC means he doesn't cheat. Saban is a complete control freak (why he couldn't cut it in the NFL), but people say that's what makes him the best CFB coach.

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A lot of people believe his NFL legacy would have been remembered much differently if he could have gotten Drew Brees.

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I'm one of those people. If I remember correctly, he wanted Brees and had him but Miami wouldn't clear him physically so they couldn't sign him.

So with Cincy on the doorstep of a playoff berth, Wake maybe playing in the ACC championship, Louisiana playing in their conference championship hiring announcements are going to get pushed back for a lot of schools. What does a school who wants to hire Fickell do wait until maybe even the 2nd week of January and if they can't get a final deal they are screwed.

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Nah, if Fickell is interested in one of the openings his agent will have already been working the phones.

You take the risk of him backing out last minute, but I assume if you're a LSU or whoever you worry less about that because you've got such an attractive opening.

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I have Fickell going to UF.

Yeah they're in the same boat. That's too good of a job for him to pass up.

I'm sure he still wants OSU, but Ryan Day is 42 and has done a great job so far. That spot isn't opening up for a while.

Go to Gainesville, make a bunch of money, enjoy the weather. If you do a half-decent job you'll be able to go back to Columbus if Day slips up.

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With Mullen out at UF, means Grahm could come back home at some point.

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I sure as hell hope not.

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I thought Bruce Feldman has some good info today about various coaching situations on the newest episode of the Ryen Russillo Podcast (around the 38 min mark if you want to look it up and give it a listen).

He went into a little detail about how things soured so quickly with UF/Mullen despite Mullen's resume. He rubs a lot of people the wrong way on and off the field. There's constant excuses after every loss where he blames everyone but himself. Doesn't put in the work to recruit at the level UF thinks they should be at (he points to how well Smart has done at UGA when the two school started out at basically the same place). Was something like 2-9 in his last P5 games with losses to many inferior teams on paper. It was issues that had been building despite a "good" record for the last couple of years and this year's bad record gave them the extra motivation to get it done. It's worth a listen to get this perspective for anyone that thinks Mullen could be slam dunk hire for VT.

Talks about Napier some. Thinks UF might go offensive route with a coach and thinks Napier is a good fit but didn't sound convinced UF feels the same. Also said he thinks many at LSU feel Napier is beneath them despite him personally feeling Napier would be a great fit. LSU wants a big prize.

edit to remove a flight tracker for a UF plane

apparently it went from Gainesville west which caught some attention but landed in Panama City and then back to Gainesville

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We'll likely have a coach locked down by then.

If not, you may be one of the leading candidates.

I dunno... all these denials on your part make me suspicious that you are being interviewed for the job

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They always deny it. Right up until they accept it.

We'll address this at the appropriate time during the offseason; which is when I usually decide to think about recruiting (if I was a coach).

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Oooooo, the media is going to like you...

Word on the twittersphere is that Napier is meeting with Florida. Not great for us

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Is this based on the flight that was tracked from Gainesville and ended up flying to Panama City? Or is there a tweet/thread you could share?

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Probably from this. Unless this guy's "people in LA" also got their info from the misguided flightracker post

I think Florida goes bigger than Napier. they just fired a guy that won his division last year. Their standards are high

There are too many teams who are "too good" for the current coaching pool. Personally I think they take Napier first choice, but I think if they don't it's just as likely they swing and miss and end up back at Napier or they bully someone like Penn state and then that school ends up with Napier. I just have a hard time thinking he pachinkos all the way down to our little bucket at this point

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That is my hope, and that we lock up Napier while they are dickering around. And if they change their mind and want him then they have to pay us a penalty.

Napier is not going to do that

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Bird in the hand and stability to run his program his way is a very tempting thing.

We shall see

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They are eyeing Bob Stoops which would be a much bigger name, how realistic the possibility is up for debate.

3 of Florida's last 4 hires have been Napier/ULM levels:

  • Hired Urban from Utah (when they were a G5 team)
  • Hired Muschamp (then a DC) from Texas
  • Hired McElwain from Colorado St
  • Hired Dan Mullen from Mississippi St

Mullen is the only one to be a P5 head coach prior to UF hiring him.

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According to a post I saw on swamp247, it's down to UF and VT for Napier. UF was down in Louisiana today and apparently agreed to supply every resource necessary to him. Napier's biggest key is long term stability (which I think benefits VT more than UF), but we can't compete with their resources.

No announcement to be made until after the conference games 12/4. This is all according to a poster, who has a friend who has a friend on Napier's staff...

anyone follow this guy on twitter? i don't follow him, but just came across this. i don't think he is a troll

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Well, this is getting juicy:

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ESPN is reporting that James Franklin will rework his current deal to stay at PSU amid the USC and LSU links. Interesting twist I'm surprised they are willing to keep him after his lack of results.

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Lack of results?

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When has he actually beat a good team in recent memory? Ohio state owns his ass and hes got what 9 straight losses to teams in the top 10 now? Penn state are no closer to winning the Big 10 now than they were 5 years ago and the way hes developing talent I would argue the gaps even bigger now than 5 years ago, he may recruit well but I'm not seeing what they see in it. However having him stay would work the best for VT as its one less big job opening to compete with.

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Speaking of getting owned, does Big Jim Harbaugh get canned after now going 1-5 against MSU and presumably 0-6 against anOSU?

People want Harbaugh gone, but Franklin has lost 10 more Big Ten games than Harbaugh and only won 1 more.

Also how many 4th quarter leads has Franklin blown, cause I don't I can count that high.

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I saw him do that very thing in person this year and lose to the Hawkeyes. It was an amazing game.

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However having him stay would work the best for VT as its one less big job opening to compete with.

Its a zero sum game - one less opening, but one less candidate for all the other openings.

Comparing yourself to OSU is gonna make almost anyone outside of Bama & UGA look bad. Those programs have separated themselves so far above everyone else.

Penn state are no closer to winning the Big 10 now than they were 5 years ago

So he's already won the Big 10? Because in 2016 (5 years ago, but I'm not a math guy) they won the Big 10

From 2016-19 seasons Franklin had 11, 11, 9, and 11 wins. 2016 they beat OSU. The next two years they lost to OSU by 1 point each game. They're a QB away from cycling up. Prior to Franklin's arrival (2014), their last 9-win season was 2011, their last 11 win season was 2009. He's leveled them up from late stage Paterno and the fallout from the scandal, and made them a consistent high level team that threatens for division titles in the second best division in the entire country. I don't think that qualifies as lack of results.

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He might even get a raise.

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Our sweet prince and fellow hater of Corny is getting a new gig.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

His agent deserves every penny he's getting from this deal

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Deserves got nothin' to do with it.

Franklin, no. His agent who is getting paaaiiidd for it, maybe...

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Hol' up. He is getting the Jimbo treatment? That's a bold strategy Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.

14-11 last 25 games and is going to be in top 4-7 HC salary range. Jesus. The arms race is just nuts.

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And as far I can understand, Penn State just signed up for a $70-80 million buyout. I guess that Big10 money is big enough but that kind of commitment at VT would make me nervous short of a national championship.

80 million guaranteed over the life, either as payment for working or as his buyout. Jesus.

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From ESPN:

Franklin's buyout will start at $12 million prior to April 1, 2022. It will reduce to $8 million through Dec. 31, 2022, $6 million in 2023, $2 million in 2024 and 2025, and $1 million from calendar year 2026 to 2030.

Unless ESPN is misrepresenting information, all he has to do is coach another three years and his buyout drops to $2m. That's shockingly low; what is even the point of a 10-year deal if PSU can get out that easily after three years??

What's the annual salary? I haven't seen that yet but this is a shocking deal to say the least.

To quote Pack from Pack and Durham, "I'm not raising my kid to be a lawyer or politician, I'm teaching my kids to be a fired college head coach."

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That's if another school wants to hire Franklin. The $80 million is if Penn State wants to fire him. It isn't going to be expensive to hire him away, it is going to be ungodly expensive if they want to fire him.

I'm assuming that tapers down as well, no?

Or is it that it just tapers down based on what he has been paid?

If that's the case, it seems brilliant on his (and his agents') part. His agent gets 10%? Nice work.

Yep you are correct; that small buyout is if the NFL or another college comes for him. I haven't seen any details for his 'getting fired' buyout.

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Any clue of what direction Fuente goes? With the number of vacancies being so HIGH and not enough quality candidates to fill them, you would think Fuente may actually get a nice landing spot.

If Dykes is out at SMU I imagine Fu is on their list Rhett Ashley is also drawing a lot of publicity for that job though

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If North Texas, Tulsa or Texas St opens I could see him landing at one of those. SMU is also a possibility but I think they'll probably shoot for someone they think can continue sustaining their success.

I hope he goes to The Nick Saban School For Coaches Who Can't Coach Good.

I'm really curious to see what the rest of his career looks like. I'll be rooting for him.

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Well that puts Freeze2VT to bed

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I don't want him at VT but I would have loved it if he yeeted off somewhere else away from the commonwealth and with him the ridiculous long term games contract we have with liberty

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I can't believe LU was the deal with the devil we had to make to get rid of ECU. What a dirty trick.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

Right?!

Just re-kindle our rivalry with Akron or a directional Louisiana if we must...

Bring back MACtion!

We already now have ACCtion on Friday nights. RIP magical Thursday night football. Man I hate the NFL.

No Luke Fickell at the big openings, apparently.

He was never coming to Blacksburg, but was thinking he may fill one of LSU/UF.

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I hope he stays there and does well. Would love to see a non-major player step up and do well with a coach that is good and sticks around to build something special. Gives fans of places like VT hope that it can be done.

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I would imagine short of the Ryan Day to NFL rumor coming to fruition Fickell will stay. If OSU opens up, he'll end up there.

OSU or ND I think would make Fickell jump. If not, he's about to take the first G5 to the playoff. Ohio guy, might as well stay at Cincy and see what happens.

Looks like Dave Aranda is staying at Baylor. Big blow to LSU with reportedly 2 of their top candidates (Tucker and Aranda) staying put. USC reportedly also had interest as well. With James Franklin staying at PSU and Fickell at Cincy (I'm still not sure I believe that one just yet), just about every name linked to those two big schools isn't going there. Competition for the "tier 2" coaching candidates is about to heat up big time.

Someone is backing up the Brinks truck to Napier I'm guessing

It's starting to look like all the college football programs have Brinks trucks.

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Sonny Dykes to TCU per Bruce Feldman from The Athletic.

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Now that Miami needs an OC, we have one they can have...

Yo, 'Canes!!

Not that "Corn time" has been amazing, but I am shocked not to have seen this gif a bunch of times over the last couple years.

Not that "Corn time" has been amazing, but I am shocked *shucked* not to have seen this gif a bunch of times over the last couple years.

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I think TTL really missed something when they didn't have a weekly segment with Corn talking unfiltered about the opponent and calling it Hardcore Corn.

Also for shits, let's remember when Fu first got here and drove three recruits in his car from BBurg to the airport in roanoke. He supposedly played some rap and the intel (from TSL) was we had locked them all down. Lol we whiffed on all three. Probably played some vanilla ice.

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Some (non-paywall) rumors seem to indicate:

Napier to UF, VT couldn't offer enough.

LSU is making some progress on stealing Lincoln Riley from OU.

Campbell to VT rumors heating up.

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If Oklahoma opens, does it hurt our chances with Matt Campbell, like Florida did with Napier?

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OU hasn't had a true coaching search in a while, so it's tough to say what direction they'd go.

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Lincoln Riley said he's staying put at OU after their game tonight. Don't have to worry about them. Campbell supporters might want to worry about Washington though. A lot of their people think a deal is close since he's A) at or near the top of their list and B)He turned down USC, who was believed to be their main competition for him.

Washington State and New Mexico State come off the board.

EDIT: Missed it by 23 seconds. The drinking increases...

Sounds like we were in the running :(

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Wow, who will OU go get?

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Wonder if this means Campbell is coming here

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Wow, that's a big move and big opening now. You have to think if we are/were ever in contention for Campbell, he is the top choice at OU. Beginning to become a little gloomy on our search unless it's a top coordinator we have already locked up.

Wow, Lincoln is a very smart man. He don't want no part of that SEC West.

I don't get this move at all. He is Texas born, played in Texas, has coached in Texas with short ECU stint before Oklahoma.

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Maybe the dude is tired of this general part of the country? The idea of "home" doesn't mean the same to everyone. I grew up in Virginia, went to school in Virginia, started my career in Virginia. I moved to Texas a year ago solely to experience something new.

Oklahoma is leaving for the SEC in 2-3 years depending on how negotiations work out. At USC he is the HC at the premier program in the conference, can easily pull recruits, and will have easy access to high seeds in the playoff if he doesn't lose more than once in conference. Are we sure OU will have all of that in a few years?

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He didn't like the prospect of being in the SEC and having all that competition in the way of a playoff berth. Better to jump to Pac12 and another blue blood for guaranteed easy path

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People really think HC at top P5 programs get a lot of free time. I think him wanting out of SEC future makes the most sense from explanations.

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If he doesn't smoke a bowl and surf for two hours every morning during his tenure, I'll be terribly disappointed. /s

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Lol. USC is a better job than anywhere in the SEC if you can win. Sure Alabama is a machine under Saban but it's still in, you know, Alabama. And USC on all cylinders has a higher ceiling in many respects I think.

Okie alum Josh Heupel? Whatever his buyout is at Tenn, Oklahoma would have no problem paying it if he's who they want

wasn't he fired from OU when he was OC? oh actually his co-OC was Jay Norvell, that could be another possibility

That's a hell of a grab by USC.

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Shit shit shit shit. First Napier gone and now Oklahoma opens up.

Damn if Fuente could have just had a decent 8-4 season, he'd be on his way out, and Oklahoma or TCU would be paying for the buyout ๐Ÿ˜–

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I blame Dan Mullen. If he could have beaten Mizzou, it's likely Napier would have put the ink on our contract this weekend. Fucking Dan Mullen.

Oh, hey, Dan Mullen. Ignore the above. Please come coach us.

Eh, both USC and Oklahoma will have their pick of whoever they want over us so I don't see this changing anything. It's a net neutral result in my mind

USC already has their guy

So now the big dogs out there are LSU and Oklahoma. Texas could be opening up as well.

Its starting to feel like, if we don't announce something within the next 24 hours or so, we could be the ones left holding the bag on this cycle.

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The folks who were clamoring that last year was the best chance at being a top job opening and that this year would be much harder seems to have been correct.

We chose to be conservative and looking like we may be paying for it

I don't think it's that simple. By all accounts Napier was not ready to leave last year. Matt Campbell was definitely not leaving with a seniors laden-squad in Ames. Clawson hadn't yet won big enough to convince some and clearly wanted to stay anyways. Chadwell had only a single successful season. The biggest job was filled by a coordinator with a very poor record as a P5 head coach (Sark/UT). Being slightly higher in the pecking order doesn't mean much if the pool of candidates is particularly weak

That's my point...Lincoln Riley wasn't someone we were ever pulling so it literally just trades USC for OU on the market. I very seriously doubt Texas is going to open, dude has been there for less than a year. The flaw in the logic is assuming VT has the same pool of candidates that USC, LSU, Texas, etc has.

I think Campbell probably listens more to Oklahoma than he did to USC

Napier was in our pool, Florida coming into the cycle removed us from his list
Campbell is in our pool. Oklahoma opening up very possibly removes us from his list.

And these big programs, if they do poach someone big, each of those openings introduce more competition for the guys we want that doesn't necessarily exist right now.

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I'm starting to prepare myself for a very underwhelming hire. Strike out on top options, and I would be completely stoked with a big coordinator like Freeman, but I think Whit views that as too big a risk. Bracing myself for a Chadwell or Mike Houston type of hire. FML.

I didn't mention either Florida or OU in my post above. While I think both are better jobs than VT, I don't see either of them as being significantly better situations than VT to the point of them being on a different "tier"

I suspect we already know who are coach will be and we maybe agreed to not announce it until after the team's title or bowl game.

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In my mind this is huge and not good for us - with a caveat.

Good news:
USCw has a coach that we weren't considering. USCw is a totally different culture from ours and as such was likely to be looking for a different type of coach. I don't think USCw was necessarily a direct competitor to our interests.

Bad news:
Oklahoma IS a much more similar culture to ours so they ARE a direct competitor to every single coach we might want to hire.

Saving grace:
Oklahoma might be able to hire from within, or pull a coach that was not likely to be coming to VT anyway (Fickell et al), though the latter might open up another school that would compete with us.

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Duke's open now too:

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It'll be nice to legitimately hate Duke Football again

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This is screaming Will Healy

I could honestly see this being a Mike Houston kind of hire.

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Could see that too if we don't hire him first. Sort of serious.

Him or Chadwell

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That's too bad. I like coach Cut. If JC Price becomes our head coach and he needs a QB coach then yeah that works.

Cut hit the top and brought Duke right back to where they were. It was definitely time for him to leave, although I can't say it wasn't nice being at that game this year.

Lol yea no one is running to take on that job...

So your saying Fuente could have a home fairly
Close?

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We couldn't get that lucky lol

You know if Cutcliffe doesn't retire and we have to end up with an inexperienced G5 coach, Cutcliffe would be a great option to have on staff as a coach and mentor

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And cutcliffe is gone now too. What a year for the carousel.

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What a year last 25 minutes

Dan mullen is starting to sound really good to me ...

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2020 was the year to make the move.

UF fired Mullen fearing VT might be able to land Napier, got in and closed the deal.

Now we have multiple other "big dogs" ahead of us in the pecking order.

Whit better pull some magic or his job security may come into question. Bringing Fuente back for 2021 was a major mistake that proved nothing that we didn't already know.

Who was the sure fire hire from last year?

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Napier...for one...was available and at least interested in talking to several teams.

If he was (as is being reported) at or near the top of our wishlist, he was there last year too.

Nobody is a sure thing this year nor were they last year, but I definitely would have liked our chances vs. Tenn and SCar much more than USC, Okla, UF, Wash, LSU and all the secondary openings that they create.

The only reason we know Napier talked to other teams was because he turned them down. Pretty Mandel also reported he decided to move on this offseason. Seems very likely he wanted to see how 21 shaped up before making a move guessing (correctly) that there would be a lot of major openings. We'll probably never know for sure but it seems pretty damn likely that we surveyed the candidates last year and didn't see a great option.

Sounds like whit couldn't get anyone he liked to take the job last year.

Whit may end up with a hire way down on his list, all thanks to the insanity of this year's coach carrousel.

That's after (likely) his hand was forced last minute at the end of last year.

He may find himself out of a job in a few years all thanks to forces outside his control.

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Or when get a late in the cycle situation and hire some one like Elko who becomes a Dave Armada type hire.

I said this before and I'll say it again - I wanted to move on from Fuente but only towards a better option, not just to move away from a guy we knew we wanted to be gone.

Now, it looks like the remaining options for us are Chadwell, Huff, Freeman. If none of those are the guy, then we might have JC Price being the interim coach for much much longer than we expected.

That isn't bad - he's not a head coach but with the right assistants he might be able to right the ship a bit for a year or two until a great candidate becomes available.

Probably not in the mix, but I hope Whit is considering others such as Todd Monken and Dan Lanning coordinators from UGA, and Bill Clark HC from UAB. Not that any of them are the right answer, but illustrative that there are a lot of quality options out there, though none without risk. Beyond Chadwell, Huff, Freeman and Houston, I hope Whit is tapping into all of his insider football contacts and resources for insight into bringing us a Plan A HC that may not be on the current media shortlist.

Lanning would be a home run hire

On the surface, I'd love to have JC Price continue on as Coach until we find "the guy", but we are a Program that is staring in the face of 10 years of mediocrity and deeply need a boost of enthusiasm and momentum.

Keeping a coach who has already publicly stated he doesn't consider himself a candidate screams that we don't have a real direction going forward.

Fully agree except 1 point - I think it would actually be an oddly fresh boost of enthusiasm. Though JC doesn't appear to be anywhere near prepared to be a head coach, he appears to be aware of it, and that humility isn't entirely a bad thing. And we could do worse than someone who bleeds O&M.

Though it would announce to everyone that yeah we don't have a real direction.

We have no idea what Whit's list is.

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Might not be a bad time to start a new thread. The embeds on this one are starting to make it a bit unwieldy.

ummm... Lots of moves happening today... HC JC starting to sound like a strong possibility to me.

Even more on the Gattis train after the hammer he dropped on OSU.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Did you know he's a Broyles award semifinalist

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Agreed.

He coached a great game there, and all year.

What do we suppose JCs impact is as head coach currently? If JH and BC are still just doing their own thing is he ultimately just acting as a motivator?