Pitt losing more weapons from last season.

The Coastal chaos next season will be something to watch.

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The bigger story in all this is what sounds like the USC bag men had to do with it all. Curious to see if the initial reports are accurate

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Yeah... NIL is everything we were told it wouldn't be

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I think "everything we were told it would be" is different than what ended up being in place not because those proposing NIL sold a false set of goods but because the NCAA has refused to get in front of ANY of the financial dealings of players in college sports. They could have easily gotten in front of this and set up a system where services had to be proved to be rendered by the players in order for the deal to be approved. Instead they showed no leadership, had their hands forced by the Supreme court and various state houses and instead, we have all of the bag men out in the open and more people emboldened by the apparent legality of the system and are more willing to pay.

What I'm interested in is how is this affecting donations to athletic departments, will we see a drop off over the next couple years.

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The NCAA failing to even try and regulate NIL will be the downfall of the NCAA, probably sooner than we think. Everything that organization does from here on out is just the dog trying to catch its own tail.

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Watching the NCAA on this NIL mess is liking watching a NASCAR race at Talladega. Just sitting back and waiting for the big crash to happen.

I think there's already 2 cars in the wall and the yellow flag ain't coming out.

I don't see this NIL thing ending well. Going down a slippery path without a well thought-out plan is never a good thing.

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I don't think there is anything the ncaa can do or could have done, tbh.

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set up a system where services had to be proved to be rendered by the players in order for the deal to be approved.

This seems like the quickest and easiest fix to the pay for play system quickly forming. No up front money or salary like structure, proof of services rendered before payment, and no discussion of NIL deals until NLI is formally submitted.

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I always thought it would be a royalties type thing. If 500 shirts with your name get sold, you get a cut of the profits for 500 shirts. If zero shirts sell, you get a cut of 0. Instead it's like paying for advertising rights, but without ever having played in college, and no guarantee the kid will even play, they're literally just being paid to go to a particular school.

Three million and a house. That guy is going to rage. With numbers better than an NFL contract, some of these guys might stay for their senior years when they could have gone pro. Also, I have a feeling some of these players are going to get paid in college and are going to end up slacking off and ruin their pro careers.

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

I'm curious about the tax implications that go with this and hope that these athletes have someone decent in their circle to ensure they do things correctly when it comes to filing etc. Kids might be 20 years old, flat broke and with back taxes issues before they ever get to the NFL/NBA/league. I'm glad they are finally getting paid, just don't think the current NIL landscape is the correct way of doing it. I guess we'll find out though.

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If true, he'll make more than Steelers' 2nd rd WR pick and have a 2022 compensation package on par with Kenny Pickett, the 20th overall pick in the NFL. Was this Intent of NIL?

Was NIL intended to be pay-for-play? Absolutely not. Do I have a problem with a 19 year old college student making $3M? Absolutely not.

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I don't have a problem with it either, the program is brining in 300x that amount, but do I think it's smart for 19 year old kids to have a house in LA and $3m/year? Nah man

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do I think it's smart for 19 year old kids to have a house in LA and $3m/year? Nah man

First of all, I'd argue that it is very 'smart' for a 19 year old to earn $3m - that sets him up for life. He would be incredibly dumb to turn that down.

Secondly, who cares if it's 'smart' - 19 year olds can make decisions for themselves and learn from the results of said decisions.

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Secondly, who cares if it's 'smart' - 19 year olds can make decisions for themselves and learn from the results of said decisions.

Or they could set up a program to help these kids learn how to handle this kind of money instead of cutting a 19 year old loose with $3m and a bachelor pad in LA and hope he figures it out without completely destroying his life.

I am for NIL and players getting a share, but the current model will destroy college athletics.

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Or they could set up a program to help these kids learn how to handle this kind of money instead of cutting a 19 year old loose with $3m and a bachelor pad in LA and hope he figures it out without completely destroying his life.

Wholeheartedly agree with this, but I think given the choice of having just a scholarship or a scholarship + $3M + the challenges of managing $3M, every player would and should take the latter.

I am for NIL and players getting a share, but the current model will destroy college athletics.

College Athletics should be blown up and rebuilt from the ground up (at least for revenue sports). It's a completely unfair and unjust system.

I'm not saying NIL shouldn't be regulated (it absolutely should be), but we (fans and governing bodies alike) shouldn't be trying to maintaining the status quo; we should be starting over. And if that means that the sport is more top heavy than ever, but the top players are able to max out their value, then I think it's for the greater good.

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shouldn't be trying to maintaining the status quo;

I don't think we should stay with the status quo but this was done so poorly that it will do more harm than good to the sport if it isn't reigned in soon. That is my thought anyway.

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it will do more harm than good to the sport if it isn't reigned in soon.

This is kind of the root of my argument. Fans are over here talking about what's good for the sport, but until NIL/Transfer Portal became a thing, no one in leadership was doing anything to improve things for players.

The NCAA undoubtedly bungled this beyond belief. But that's what happens when you get 'amatuer' labor to fund billion dollar enterprises.

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Well a big part of that is the NCAA was trying so hard not to lose control rather than adapt. The courts forced their hand and they had no plan in place for it.

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I think it might have even been more malicious than that. I think that the NCAA said to themselves, "if you're going to force to allow players to earn money, then fuck it! We're not going to regulate it at all and let the whole thing burn down."

I agree. They washed their hands of it and said "that isn't out regulation anymore. let's go find a way to punish Mizzou some more"

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With Emmert stepping down this seems all the more likely

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Sets them up for life? You think they're not spending that money in less than the two years they have left in college? You're crazy if you do.

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That's their decision. Better to at least give them decision than not at all.

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Yes but it's also well within the rights of the NCAA and universities to make NIL available in a fund that can only be withdrawn after graduation/declaring for the draft. Players are using the university brand to make money off NIL as much as vice versa. Part of the contract could be that that bonus money is only paid out when the player leaves

Yes but it's also well within the rights of the NCAA and universities to make NIL available in a fund that can only be withdrawn after graduation/declaring for the draft.

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Based on using the University's or Ncaa's name/logo in any NIL deal.

And stipulating that any NIL deals outside of that make a player ineligible.

That is an interesting point. I wonder if these companies or whoever is doing these NIL deals have to cut a deal with the university to use the logo in the NIL advertising. Wouldn't they need to license that if they were going to have a player use it for a sponsored post on social media?

Making them ineligible would almost certainly go against the supreme court ruling which started this whole thing and open them up to being sued, which they would lose

Based on using the University's or Ncaa's name/logo in any NIL deal.

I have yet to see any athlete using their school/the NCAA's name/logo in any deal. Anyone making these deals are almost certainly aware they can't use them without a license/approval.

And stipulating that any NIL deals outside of that make a player ineligible.

There is no chance they could make athletes only accept deals that use the schools name/logo, if that's what you're saying.

Edit: Unless they negotiated that with the athletes, but that would require them acknowledging them as more than students just playing the game for fun.

Based on using the University's or Ncaa's name/logo in any NIL deal.

The whole point of NIL is that it HAS to be independent of the university. If you've been reading about the formation of collectives, you'll notice that they all claim to be "aligned" with a university - That term is VERY important - it signals to recruits that they can get NIL money at that school, but it signals to lawyers that the collective is in no way driven or run by the university.

Anyways, I think I know what you're trying to say - If the university provides a platform to elevate the player, and said player uses said platform to profit off of their NIL, then you believe the university could make an argument that they are entitled to some of said player's revenue. If this is what you believe should happen, then just make the players employees.

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NCAA and Universities are still making billions while now the boosters and companies are paying players. NIL didn't change the injustice of the system. It just gave the blue chip programs a way to pay players above the table. Not $1 of NIL money comes from the universities or the governing body.

The only way the NCAA can deal with this and get it controlled (and then equitable...which is their charter) is to allow the players to unionize. I know...everybody hates that...but if they do then then Lilly can collectively bargain NIL, etc. Right now it's a free economy and NCAA can't govern that without being impartial.

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NIL didn't change the injustice of the system.

I'm not saying the new system is perfect, but you're overlooking a lot of nuance and digesting it all into 'injustice of the system.' The pre-NIL, pre-transfer portal NCAA was rife with injustice - mainly towards the players:

  • The NCAA forced kids to give up the right to their Name, Image, or Likeness at all (I strongly believe this is a moral injustice, but I digress)
  • You had kids who had to risk losing a scholarship if they wanted to be free from a verbally abusive coach (who was likely being paid 50-100x the value of said scholarship).
  • You had programs intentionally funneling kids to easier majors that produce lower paying jobs so that, in the short term, these kids could focus on sports, while in the long term, they'd be more likely to return to coaching high school football, and then funnel other kids to their alma mater.
  • You had a shady, underground black market that took advantage of kids and families

In a post-NIL, post-Transfer portal NCAA, we still have a shady 'grey-market' that is taking advantage of recruits and players. BUT we've solved all of the other player-rights issues I mentioned above - which is a HUGE step in the right direction.

I get that right now it looks like unregulated NIL will cause great disparity and inequity among the PROGRAMS competing in the sport. I too am concerned that the lack of parity will change the sport into something drastically different that I no longer enjoy (as much). But I think it's worth it to give these kids the best financial (and educational) opportunities possible. Especially in a sport as violent as football.

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This is what NIL was always going to be.

It's a joke to imagine that there is anywhere near $3 mil of value in NIL for a guy who is going to be with a program for one season.

NIL is being used as a way to funnel money and buy players. It's nothing more and nothing less.

It was never about the good of college athletes, and is terrible for the game overall.

Edit: in the early stages, NIL may have had reasonable aims to get NCAA athletes a portion of money that they should be entitled to (i.e. use of your persona in a video game), but by the time the Courts finally ruled on it, a multitude of middlemen had gotten involved and figured out how to morph NIL into a way to "beat the system," and use it as a way to outbid others for the best players using "companies" that are in many cases at least loosely affiliated with Athletic Programs.

Not sure if y'all have been following this story, but Pitt suspects/alleges tampering: Link

A source told ESPN that Pitt coach Pat Narduzzi caught wind of USC as a potential destination and called Trojans coach Lincoln Riley multiple times on Friday to express his displeasure. Pitt officials suspect that tampering could have occurred.

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lotta nerve to be upset with USC after he took their QB first.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Riley basically showed that QB (Slovis) the door when he recruited his Oklahoma QB, (Williams) to transfer from Oklahoma to USC

Yeah Pitt twitter is fun, theyre alleging the FBI is on this case lol. Sweet tears of ol fuck Narduzzi still taste oh so sweet.

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Yeah Pitt twitter is fun, theyre alleging the FBI is on this case lol.

Hey man, you guys got any, uh, promising leads?

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They just put 2 more detectives on the case. They have us working in shifts! Leads!

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I'm all for shitting on Narduzzi but we'd be apoplectic if this happened to us.

And lets just say this isn't the first time that there have been rumors of tampering coming out against Lincoln Riley, and he's only been at USC for a couple months.

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He knows the NCAA is in a dumpster fire and he can get away with anything right now so he is taking advantage.

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Can anyone point to a tampering case where there were actually consequences? Michigan is under investigation for tampering in wrestling. Everyone knows Iowa is doing the same. The UVA assistants got busted for it when they left Iowa State. Never seen any punishment.

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Agreed, not to mention does anybody actually doubt the NIL team didn't tamper?

But as the NIL is supposedly separate from the school, the NCAA doesn't have any rules from preventing a third party offer tampering.

Situation. USC wants WR. Lines up potential NIL offers through a burner phone. 3Mil for X, 2.5 Mil for Y, and 2 Mil for Z. Authorizes NIL that we will make a scholarship available as soon as they contact us. Go get one.

Of course the next step in NIL wrecking the system. The NIL offer will include their tuition, so they don't have to eat one of the schools scholarships. They will be a "walk on." After all, when you are tossing around that type of money, who cares about another 50k for the tuition.

They will be a "walk on." After all, when you are tossing around that type of money, who cares about another 50k for the tuition.

That will be a really interesting dynamic when these schools have boosters pay to get more guys above the scholly limit.

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Exactly my point. The scholarship limit is effectively dead with NIL deals. Heck, the NIL could just be for the tuition and board with a little money on top. But now Bama doesn't have to be limited to 85 scholarship 4 and 5 stars, everybody can be.

There's still a limit on playing time, though, and how many 4/5 starts are going to walk-on AND not play at an Alabama?

IIRC back in the day (before the 85 scholarship limit) Bear Bryant would straight up offer and get recruits just to keep them from going to rival schools, so there would be tons of blue chip guys that would never end up playing for BAMA despite being on scholarship. And of course back then I don't think you could just transfer.

Yeah, I know there's a reason the cap is in place, but I don't think the current landscape of college football and recruiting is conducive to that kind of player hoarding.

There wasn't a limit at all back then, today there are roster limits set by conferences. I don't think anyone can have more than 105.

Seems the NCAA could institute an "active roster" kind of like the NFL. Keep the scholly limits. Sure, boosters could still pay a kid enough that they don't care about the scholly, but they'll want to be on the active roster regardless.
Might even be able to institute a rule that if an NIL deal is valued at more than 25% of cost of attendance, then that player has to also be on scholarship. If that sends a school over the scholarship limit during a year, they lose one the next year. That is, if a non-scholly kid gets an NIL deal worth more than the cost of attendance and it pushes the school to 86 schollies, they're only allowed 84 the next year.

What a shit show the NCAA has created by sticking their heads in the sand for YEARS and not getting in front of this. Transfer portal? Great idea that puts schools and players on a more even footing. NIL Compensation? Great idea so long as it's coming from vendors/schools. What we have now is a shit show where players AREN'T being compensated for their Name/Image/Likeness, they're being poached and paid-to-play under the guise of NIL.

Look, I hate Pitt as much as anyone here, but would that kid have been a Biletnikoff Award winner at any other school besides Pitt? Probably not because the stars wouldn't have aligned for him. So you have a program (Pitt) that did everything it could to allow this kid to succeed and now instead of being able to capitalize on that he's being poached because Pitt won't/can't compete against USC and the "deal" that they put together.

Revenue sports need to be rebooted. The NFL has a draft/salary cap/players union that gives some semblance of parity. FBS is the wild west right now and there are no rules because the rule makers were idiots and asleep at the wheel.

what constitutes tampering? if a third party private org offers a mega NIL deal to a player because he just won the biletnikoff award but makes it contingent on being in a bigger market, is that tampering?

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Bud summarized my thoughts better than I could.

One of the things that makes college football unique is that players choose the program, whereas in every other (American) sport, the league drafts the player. No one says it, but I think this is one of the reasons that CFB fans love the sport - because Recruit X picked the same school I did. It's a pretty big shift in mentality for fans from 'this player is here for 4 years just like I was' to 'these guys might just be coming through to get paid.'

Anyways, circling back to Bud's comment... The fan in me wants kids to pick VT because they love it like I do, and I want those athletes to stay at VT for 4 years, and I don't want 'bad actors' coming around and pulling kids away from VT. But the realist in me knows that this is bullshit for 90% of players.

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This is actually the best summation of my feelings. I'd rather there be a baseball style minors than ruining what made college football special. I mean I drank moonshine with the back up kicker every couple months in Foxridge. Student athletes are still apart of the student body. Players should get paid but the era of the NFL and NBA using college at the minors needs to end.

Great thoughts.

1) Rumors are rumors, and no one knows what, if anything, he might get after transferring, IF he even does transfer, because he hasn't done that yet.

2) Good for him. These guys have been professional in everything but name and compensation for a long time. If someone wants to give players compensation, then so be it. No one's making schools pay them, it's third parties doing what they want.

3) People like to complain about these high dollar amounts going to players, but how many have there actually been that reach say a million dollars. Maybe ten? Fifteen? That's a very low percentage of these deals.

4) Yeah, it sucks for Pitt, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens to us at some point, but like it or not college football has been a business for a long time, the players were just shut out of the rising profits. If you were an engineering major, and a firm said they'd pay you $100k for an internship during your senior year, but you'd have to transfer to another school for it, it would probably be very hard to turn down no matter how much you loved Tech. This is the same thing, it's just more high profile, and probably has more money involved.

3) People like to complain about these high dollar amounts going to players, but how many have there actually been that reach say a million dollars. Maybe ten? Fifteen? That's a very low percentage of these deals.

Its an unregulated arms race that has existed for less than 12 months. Payment scales are ramping up quickly and with universities officially partnering with these NIL firms, we've now essentially reached pay for play salary negotiations, something we were explicitly told would never happen, in less than a year. And now that you have billionaires with money to burn getting involved in Miami and LA, its only going to further escalate from here.

And Virginia Tech... I don't care how good of a coach Brent Pry or Mike Young are. We cannot compete with this current environment. Because the second that we get someone good enough to take us to the next level, a wealthy booster from another school will pay them to leave us, and in the grand scheme of things, we're too poor to compete with that.

The NCAA has basically allowed itself to take on all the worst aspects of the NBA and the long term ramifications are going to destroy the schools themselves. Unless you're a fan of a 'chosen' school, you're never going to be in the national conversation anymore. Unless your school can pay for the best, your hopes of competing are gone. And now, with the portal basically becoming free agency that players can use while signing 1 year NIL contracts every year, there's little to no way for schools with smaller resources to build. This shit is basically game over for everyone who isn't rich. It might have always been that way, but the moves the NCAA has made over the last 5 years fast tracked the demise of everyone who was in danger before. And that includes us.

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Payment scales are ramping up quickly and with universities officially partnering with these NIL firms, we've now essentially reached pay for play salary negotiations, something we were explicitly told would never happen, in less than a year.

To that I would say, who cares? What really is the difference between NIL, and pay for play. They're being paid for their talents. However you want to define that is up to you. If you really wanted to separate NIL pay from pay for play, is there even a feasible way to do that? They're still fulfilling some kind of non-athletic obligation to get the NIL money, and they're value is tied into who they are as an athlete anyway. What's the difference?

The NCAA has basically allowed itself to take on all the worst aspects of the NBA and the long term ramifications are going to destroy the schools themselves. Unless you're a fan of a 'chosen' school, you're never going to be in the national conversation anymore. Unless your school can pay for the best, your hopes of competing are gone.

I think you're on it when you say it's always been this way, because it has. You can still have non-blue bloods make runs, or have periods of greatness like we have in the late 90's/early 00's, or a Boise State, but resources matter, and not everyone can have the same resource. It's not possible to have parity within a 130 team division, or even 60 with the P-5. You can do things to make it more even, but it's never going to be equal, and you certainly can't try to do it at the expense of the athletes' benefit. Not when coaches are making $10m a year. And it sucks as a fan of a have-not. It really does. But it doesn't mean we can't succeed. It just means it will be harder.

And now, with the portal basically becoming free agency that players can use while signing 1 year NIL contracts every year, there's little to no way for schools with smaller resources to build.

Players can still only transfer once without sitting out, twice if they use the grad transfer, so it's not quite that dire.

This is the only thing that I disagree with:

You can still have non-blue bloods make runs, or have periods of greatness like we have in the late 90's/early 00's,

For a lot of reasons (recruiting, ESPN, 4 team playoff, etc) this is not possible anymore.

Unregulated pay to play hurts parity - has in every professional sport ever. The start to this is just call NIL what it is and find a way to install some regulations. I also don't see a fast answer here that doesn't hurt the kids so I don't know the immediate answer but the course we're on right now isn't it.

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YEP. Needed to avoid a bidding war at all costs. I would like to see some sort of tiered system for paying players, but the same across the board for every FBS team. Each team gets ~30 "starter" contracts of 60k or so, then another 30 "backup" contracts of like 20-30k. The rest of the scholarship players would be non contract reserves.

Optimally (which will never happen) this would be paid for by redistributing a percentage of the total earnings of every team back to the players.

NIL (true name image and likeness earnings) could sit in a 401k style fund to be redeemed when the player graduates or signs with an agent, with a certain percentage available for early withdrawal. Could be matching incentives as well for each school.

I think it depends on what you're setting your standard as. Even in our most successful time period, we only made it to the BCS Championship once. We made it to the other BCS bowls a handful of times. I think that's achievable in the current period. Make it to the playoff (especially if they expand) once or twice, make an NY6 bowl every couple of years. That's not crazy. Would we be able to actually win the playoff if we made it over the Alabamas/Georgias? It would be unlikely, but it was unlikely before.

I agree that the way to help parity would be to install some kind of regulations. I think the way to do it without hurting players would be to have the players form a union/negotiating block that would lead to them being able to sign contracts with colleges like professionals. I think true parity is still a pipe dream in such a big division, but it could help.

yup -- the next looming conversation after the supreme court decision is unionizing and what that looks like

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There will be an Isaiah Wrong type breaking point where the players that are not landing millions decide to strike and basically render the NIL deals for the few worthless. Then there will be some regulation or unionization to get everyone back to work play.

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D1 FBS as is, is over. Period. The 20 or so super rich schools need to make a super division and their own mini NFL and leave the rest of the schools to continue the bowl system. You are correct, in the future very soon a Cincinnati style run will be impossible because all the players got paid to go elsewhere.

I don't know what the solution will be but interest in CFB/CBB will likely slide as Football/Basketball schools that aren't super rich can no longer make any runs ever.

Because the second that we get someone good enough to take us to the next level, a wealthy booster from another school will pay them to leave us, and in the grand scheme of things, we're too poor to compete with that.

I was thinking the same thing.

Wow, other than the NCAA and media cheerleaders, who didn't see this coming?

My couple of thoughts on changes that should be looked at.

Number one there needs to be a window where coaches and players can move. Coaches should not be able to move in season and same for players so maybe make the "Transfer Window" be say January 1st till I dont know April 30th. Coaches can be hired in that window and only that window and you can transfer in that window only. That gives players time until after spring ball to know if they need to transfer out.

The second part is that once you enter the portal you cannot go back to where you currently were before entering the portal. None of this entering the portal to look for the best deals you're either in or out if you enter the portal its like declaring for the draft you wont be coming back. Either that or you have to sit out a year they have to create a way to make the portal less of a whimsical device.

One last thought is the way it should be is unless a player is actively in the portal you cannot talk to a player from another team in any traceable way including DM's etc a la free agency. Tampering is the one thing they need to get a grip on this feels the easiest way to do it.

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I'm onboard with #1 and #2.

One last thought is the way it should be is unless a player is actively in the portal you cannot talk to a player from another team in any traceable way including DM's etc a la free agency. Tampering is the one thing they need to get a grip on this feels the easiest way to do it.

This is basically the rules today, but there are work arounds. eg; booster reaches out to player's high school coach. Then high school coach tells player "Hey I hear there are some great opportunities out there, like a school out west in LA. I bet they'll give you a huge NIL deal too!" And player takes his former high school coach's advice because why wouldn't he?

Not sure how you can police around that.

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I get that, I was more pointing to if we had some organizer body that could I dont know, govern this stuff? I wish they would replace the useless NCAA president with someone decent but itll be another Goodell like brain washed yes man.

Not that its allowable to pay players directly you wont be able to curb this stuff but if you put a mechanism in place where unless your direct coach goes elsewhere you have to sit a out a year after transferring it will make these kinds of lucrative deals not as popular if you have to wait a year to get said player.

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if we had some organizer body that could I dont know, govern this stuff?

In the 80's, the NCAA tried to take control of televised games. OU didn't like this and took them to court. It went all the way to the supreme court, who ruled that the NCAA could not control the conferences because it was an anti-trust violation.

Herein lies the root cause of the issue - the 'governing body' cannot control TV rights, which means they can't drive any sort of revenue sharing. If the NCAA can't control revenue, then how can they punish teams?

Beyond that, a lot of this stuff, they can't prove. How are you going to prove that Jordan Addison hasn't been tampered? You would have to get his phone records, social DMs, emails, etc, as well as those of the 'middleman.' How you going to get those? NCAA doesn't have subpoena power, and even if they did, the middleman isn't someone under the 'jurisdiction' of the NCAA.

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NCAA should try again. Wouldn't be the first time the Supreme Court invalidated its own rulings.

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Its not just that but the landscape of the sport and NCAA has changed drastically in 50 years since this ruling. Maybe its time to revisit and while the sport is going through a massive change use this as a moment to restructure how it works so the NCAA can be more of a governing body or have the authority to hand out punishment. The landscape shift in the next few years will be monumental and this is as good of an opportunity to work out what roles the NCAA and conferences will play in the sport moving forward.

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I agree on that it would be difficult but that ruling was 50 years ago. Maybe the NCAA finds a way to restructure themselves to be of less of a revenue enforcer and more of a governing body or finds a way to word it to make it work. If they cant punish teams with financial bits maybe they need to start looking at serious competitive punishments that hamper teams who do illicit stuff. I;m no legal expert so I'll defer to those who get it I'm just spit balling suggestions.

Maybe one work around to the tampering not that it will ever be cured is make it so if you're entering the portal you have to declare on say February 1st otherwise you cant partake in the transfer portal for the 2 month window. That eliminates the late entries like Addison where at the last second USC say man we really need a WR and missed on a bunch of guys so lets go tap this guy up. Again just a thought to maybe finding ways to keep the sleezier stuff from becoming normal.

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You can't do anything about coaches. They can be hired and fired when ever the schools want to. If you put in any rule about coaching contacts then they will sue and win as they have in the past.

The best thing you can do for NIL deals is have the people giving them out make them very shitty to break. And at some point, breaking them is a business decision.

The only way forward that I can see is biting the bullet and making football players unionized employees so you can have a CBA. Until then boosters are going to pay premium to lose to Saban ever year.

Totally get the coahces point. I would be curious if coaches now after almost a full year of NIL would be open to limiting movement to a window in order to curb the NIL nuttiness and wittle it to a few months a year only. Some major voices have been expressing how it creates constant extra work and maybe coaches now would be willing to give up some of their freedom to limit the window to when players can transfer. A la the old compromise something that I fully believe the NCAA is going to have to come up with at some point to make everyone happy. It would be BS if they made a window for players to transfer only a few months out of the year when a coach can do anything anytime.

Coaching changes are one of the biggest reasons and issues with the portal and to me I think the NCAA will need to get very creative ultimately to solve this issue. I dont think there is a black and white easy fix here and something like that might help bring all parties to the table. When you have coaches like ass holes Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley who dip on their schools before the seasons up to start recruiting their guys to their new gig its when you get this kind of sleezy BS. Buzz williams was a perfect example of why a rule like this could prevent a guy from stopping from recruiting for his current position and start focusing on his next destination before hes even walked out the door.

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I still think the root of all this insanity was 30 years ago trying to take a corrupt bowl system and create some sort of national championship out of it. Before the Bowl Coalition/BCS, outside of a handful of teams with national games and rivalries, the sport was regional and you played to win your conference. You got a spot in a good bowl if you won, and if you were regarded enough by the pollsters, someone might deem you national champion.

This a non-NCAA sanctioned championship system has led to many of the problems we have today. The sport has become very much national, but realistically only a small group of teams at the top have the cash to compete on that level. NIL means they can buy the best players, not only right out of high school, but persuade talent from lesser teams to join. It's become an absolute mess. The only thing that is going to save the sport is if the conferences start breaking away and doing their own thing. The NCAA can't control or regulate anything as the conferences and league presidents ultimately run the ship. The NCAA is just a loose agreement amongst the conferences and schools to abide by certain rules, but it's largely a toothless tiger.

The SEC and handful of other rich P5 schools who want the Wild West should break off and do their own thing. Eventually with no regulation they will probably start complaining that a few teams with more money even than the others unfairly control things. That's why the NFL has collective bargaining and salary caps.

The "Super Conference" is coming and we're not going to be part of it; nor, will the other 90 %.

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Yep everyone not in the SEC or named OSU/USC is about to turn into the Oakland A's

The non-SEC/ super league which would be 90%+ of teams out there will probably more fun to watch though. Let Bama, Texas, and co start their own super league and devour themselves. The players we are mainly recruiting wouldn't be a take for those teams anyway.

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We can all sit back and say this but I was under the assumption that we wanted to get back to competing at the highest levels of football not champions of the Not-Good-Enough's. Not to mention any real talent developed in this sub league will just get poached to the upper tier. So back to my original comment, we all good with being the Oakland A's?

Honestly, we never really competed at the highest levels, we had a game here and there, we had the best player in the nation for 2 years, but outside of 1999/2000 I never felt we were at the top. We won against inferior competition, mostly, but we have 1 win over a top 5 team. We only have a few more against top 10 teams, on of those came this paat season.

I want to get back to pounding Duke and Wake into the ground. I want to beat all the NC schools every time we play. I want blow outs of FCS schools. I want to win beat Miami more times than not. I want 10 win seasons. I want to never see Paul Johnsons offense again. I want Pat crying about the refs after every time we play Pitt. None of that requires us beating top 10 teams. None of that requires us to win games against multiple ranked teams in a year.

If we're a D1 P5 program and our goals are to beat Duke and Wake then we need to fold the program or relegate. At this level if the goal is not championships then wtf are we even doing. Now realizing goals vs expectations, I do not expect a championship, but sorry beating Wake and Duke isn't good enough for me

That's a little disingenuous. He listed six goals, in a generally escalating order, and you pounced on the first one. He also listed 10-win seasons and Narduzzi crying at an annual whipping from the Hokies.

I think it's more a comment on the state of the program, that we are so far down that we need to reestablish that low bar of success as we climb back up.

If the goal is championships the rest come with that minus Paul Johnson because he thankfully fucked off into retirement. I get we're down bad and that was addressed in my expectations comment, but all those years of 10 win seasons and shit-stomping the Carolina schools was bred with the goal of championships. Anything less than that is giving up or moving the goal posts at least

also didn't say "beating duke and wake", it was "pounding Duke and Wake into the ground". lets win by large margins against the teams we've historically dominated

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If those years were bred from the goal of competing for a national championship, or as the comment I replied to said highest level of football, then VT was a complete and utter failure because no one in their right mind would try to compete with the blue bloods with Curt Newsome, Kevin Sherman, and Mike O'Cain as coaches. In the middle of that run Al Groh was making more than Frank Beamer. Larry Coker and Paul Johnson also got paid more. The top coaches were making twice what Frank made. We were getting out recruited instate. Bud was putting together incredible defenses and the closest we got to a national title was because it was raining in Blacksburg, but then it stopped. We were 4-9 against top 10 teams, we were 0-8 against top 5 teams during that streak.

You know what those 90s BE teams were built on, playing tough, playing every down, making the opponent work for it. From '95 to '00 we had 14 losses. There wasn't an empty NC trophy case for those recruits. The next best 6 year stretch was 18 losses.

Let's get back to playing football, cause that's what made VT fun, not talks of championships or beating top 5 teams.

then VT was a complete and utter failure

Yeah we were, it's one of my major criticisms of Beamer, but that's a different topic for a different day. We can argue about the message and doing all the little things right and I agree with all that, but at this level you should be doing everything physically possible to reach those heights anything less than that effort is unacceptable to me.

The empty NC case has and forever will be the stupidest thing ever done

If we should be doing everything then, how much cheating should we do? We make fun of UNC's fake classes but we'll they have a few championships in the money sports. Should we be paying players underneath the table? I know there is NIL but that is taxed when a McDonalds bag if cash isn't. Should we be trying to steal the other teams playbooks and game plans, though that could backfire if you have some opposing coaches leaving around fake plans (Mike Leech) What about rolling back the rule about auto-suspension of felony charges? Do we need to start handing out McDonald's bags of cash to LEOs? How much probation is too much, cause I don't see VT being a slap on the wrist school like Nebraska, OSU, Alabama, Miami, UNC, Tennessee, FSU, USC, Penn State, or any if the ither schools that did shit wrong and nothing really happened.

Although I hate him, Narduzzi makes some good points. I'm not sure what can be done to stem the NIL chaos but one thing floated on social media is NIL deals should not be connected to a specific school. If players were able to accept NIL deals without stipulatons, I think that could stablize things a bit. As there is a lot of money invloved, im sure there would be workarounds but I think making sure NIL deals arent contignent on enrolling in a specific scholls is a good start. Unfortunately, I dont think the NCAA will do anything until its too late.

I dont think the NCAA will do anything until its too late.

I mean... I think we're already past that point

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NIL deals should not be connected to a specific school

From a pure business standpoint, if I have the opportunity sell my product with the QB of USC or the QB of Wyoming, I'm choosing the USC QB every time.

Granted, that's not what is happening. It's mostly fans/alumni that are providing NIL deals that are more about the success of the football team than marketing one's brand. But, even if it was a pure business deal based on name image and likeness, the image and likeness is intricately linked with the university, location, and other contextual parameters.

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After the May 1 cutoff?

No, the player has to submit by May 1st. The school has two business days to update the portal to officially notify other schools.

Well if you argued that these players were exploited by only getting a free scholarship to VT, then you can't complain about this now. This is pro football. Enjoy.

The reason I dislike pro football is because it feels like franchise restaurant - the goal is for every team to be basically the same. There's no personality, there's nothing unique, every team/fanbase/coach feels the same, just dressed in different colors. I could care less that the players are (legally) salaried.

The thing that makes college football so great is the fucking weirdness around it. It's Harvey Updike, it's Enter Sandman, it's Lane Kiffin getting fired on a tarmac. It's Ole Miss losing a game against their hated rival (and shortly after firing their coach) just because a player pretended to pee like a dog as touchdown celebration. It's making fun of Brian Kelly for faking a cajun accent. It's UVA fans getting offended because of VT jersey on a Jefferson statue. It's schadenfreude that's on display each and every weekend.

As long as College Football stay weird, I'm along for the ride. I don't think it will be any less weird if players are paid.

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1) It's not a free scholarship. They earn it. If you think they're only putting in 20 hours or less like the rules state, you're kidding yourself.

2) The money has been there for a long time. Is it that different if players are getting a cut instead of all of it going to coaches, administrators, and facilities? The games will look the same.

The difference between #2 and now, is that while yes, great players go to rich schools, you get the random great player that goes to a school for a number of emotional reasons (think Fullers). That is gone. If you're a 5* and UNC offers you $5m and we offer you $10k, you're going to UNC. It wouldn't matter that your parents are alumni, if your brother is on the team, etc...

Before while facilities and resources definitely impacted recruiting, there was still generally a blank slate because they all at the base level offered the same thing, a free education.

The difference between #2 and now, is that while yes, great players go to rich schools, you get the random great player that goes to a school for a number of emotional reasons (think Fullers).

  1. Emotions will still play into it a lot - there will be 15 schools where athletes can get top dollar, then 25 school were athletes can get medium dollar, etc. Relationships and love for a school maybe not enough to convince a recruit to attend a Tier II school over a Blueblood, but they will absolutely be the differentiator across similar schools. Think about how much your emotions play into a job search - it's not purely a cash play; it's about career growth, how much you like your boss, etc. Same thing applies here.
  2. If you think none of the Fullers ever got a bag... bruh you're just naive. Kendall def did - every 5* did/does

. If you're a 5* and UNC offers you $5m and we offer you $10k, you're going to UNC. It wouldn't matter that your parents are alumni, if your brother is on the team, etc...

The difference isn't going to be $5m vs $10k. The difference between the haves and have nots will be the same as today; it's just going to be impossible to deny.

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True, in theory they all offered the same thing, but there are pretty big differences in facilities, and resources between programs, and those are likely going to correlate with NIL funding, since a lot of that money is coming from the same places. There's a reason we tout our dining facilities to recruits. But in reality CFB has never been or had a true level playing field, and if you're expecting it to be, you're just going to end up angry and disapointed.

The games will not look the same with open free agency. You will see it with our beloved Hokies- we will have no depth. Anyone that doesn't start will transfer. Anyone that has a break out year will transfer for more "NIL" money and a bigger stage .

Not everyone will. You still only get one free transfer until you're a grad transfer, and there are still roster limits. We're not going to lose our five best players every year. We'll lose a guy here and there, but I didn't seen anyone complain when we got Wells from Marshall.

Thousands of players in the portal and not too many landing spots for them - a confluence of one time transfer rule, covid eligibility, NIL changes, etc. I think we'll see a correction on the volume of portal entries as more and more kids get stuck with no sport to play and no scholarship, let alone NIL money.

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I dont know how many folks listen to Packer and Durham but they did a big segment on it that was really well done on yesterdays show for those who want to rewind and listen to it. The fact that 70% of kids dont get relocated is a stunning stat and one that you would think will eventually naturally curve the numbers back.

Dont know if its more of a modern athlete issue where they simply think theyre better than they are or what it is but I didnt believe that stat till I looked it up.

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Yeah, I have been pointing to that stat for a while as my major concern for the portal. It's not helping the players the way it should.

It should be there for the players like Brock Hoffman and Sean Savoy, those are no brainers.

I'm all for seniors dropping down for playing time, cause this is probably their last chance to play.

I'm all for players moving up to make that push for better competition/the NFL (Wells, Hazelton)

But what it really shows is how many players either a) leave cause they think more highly of themselves or b) the numbers working out which means a lot of guys not getting their degrees, which means that playing college sports = a degree is false, so asically those players get nothing.

And thats why I think most would argue for some form of rules or regulation to prevent that many from wandering off the path. The stat should open most peoples eyes to how the portal in a way is being abused or wrongly used by many. To me its a bigger issue than NIL and fixing the portal would have a good effect on NIL as well.

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Yeah I would rather the xfer portal be much better managed, but that also requires more multiple year scholarships which haven't really caught on.

I just disagree.

There's 15ish Blueblood/nuevo-rich schools (Bama, Clemson, FSU, UF, etc), then there's 25ish solid football programs (VT, Ole Miss, NCST, UCLA, etc). How many starters at VT are good enough to get decent playing time at the top tier schools? Maybe a handful each year? Are those guys going to transfer to play 15 snaps per game at Blueblood-U? I doubt it.

How many players at the VT level are there who are good enough to get significant minutes at Blueblood-U? In the last decade, all I can think of are Kendall Fuller and Hendon Hooker (even with HH, depends where you classify Tennessee, but I digress).

How many players are going to move laterally between the tier 2 schools? IMO, the ones who are going to make lateral moves are the ones who are unhappy with the coach/school. No one in this 'next 25' are going to have significantly different NIL deals than us.

Will there be some Jahmyr Gibbs situations? Yes. Will there be many? No.

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There is also the impact the NIL will have on the universities. Now instead of the big donors giving to the Universities for buildings, etc. you might have them giving the money to the players instead. It could lead to a reduction in the big donors to the programs. It will be interesting to watch the revenue to programs and see how much the giving is effected over the next couple of years.

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I legitimately don't get all the consternation about the current state of NIL, it's everything I hoped for and more. I think it's absolutely fantastic that a bunch of super rich donors with too much money will be giving a 19 year old THREE MILLION DOLLARS to play football for their school. This money has been denied for decades and it's finally flowing, but now that it's more than we expected suddenly it's a problem? If anything this confirms how truly bad the problem was before, millions and millions of dollars were being withheld from the people who deserved it and the market is correcting. I don't even care whether or not we keep up, I am just excited to see the money rightfully going to a group of people who were being exploited for far too long. If college football truly can't survive this reality it will only be proof that the game we loved was even more rotten at its core than we could have imagined.

Another NFL, just what we need. We should go a step further and stop exploiting these kids by making them actually attend VT to play for the team. Why not just hire 85 football players? Why do they have to be students in a pro league?

Sorta agree here. I mean it's pay to play. Why are we even pretending school is involved at this point, other than the logo?

I go back to my previous statement. Start a G league for the NFL and let everyone go do that that wants to. Have VT field a club team with student athletes that want to play there. I'm much more interested in watching the latter.

Why does the players' source/type of compensation impact your interest in the game? I genuinely don't understand this.

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I don't have any issues with the source/type of compensation to players. I'm glad they can get paid and I hope they take advantage of it the best they can, similar to anyone else with a skillset that they can market. I'm just not that interested in watching a sport where the quality of your players and overall team is based on how much you can compensate them.

I'm just not that interested in watching a sport where the quality of your players and overall team is based on how much you can compensate them.

Whether you want to admit it or not - college football has always been this way. The differences are (1) it's being done openly now, so it's tough for fans to not watch the sausage get made and (2) the compensation is now almost always cash, where it used to be a free car for a family member, a job for their mom, or a paying a mechanic to fix a tractor, etc.

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Again, I'm all for players benefitting from their value. As a fan of Virginia Tech first and college football a distant second, I just don't like the direction this is heading based on what I previously perceived VT football to be. As you noted below, why is a non-profit, state funded higher education institution running a minor league football business? Be it old school or naΓ―ve, I just find myself getting disinterested in the business side of what I valued as entertainment and school pride.

So is the issue that you don't think VT can compete in a post-NIL world? Or is the issue that now the news coverage is going to include talk about collectives, payments, etc, and you just don't want to see that?

Not judging, just genuinely curious.

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Nevermind.

This isn't about us though. If the billions of dollars are changing hands you don't get to illegally shield that money from workers just because you liked the way it was.

And to the other point about having a G-league and leaving college alone, what happens when college football is still super popular and profitable? We're back to square one. That's not a solution, it's just kicking the can down the road.

If you want to go back to how it was make people stop watching on TV, tear down the stadiums, cut the coaches' salaries to a fraction of what it is now, make the game a regional niche like it used to be. Prevent schools and conferences from selling TV rights. Essentially, take the money out of the system. Short of that, we'll have to learn to live with it and celebrate the good that comes from it.

New super league that is D1+ with the 20 or so schools that are loaded and leave regular FBS alone. Yes, being a sub division will suck but thats just the future.

We should go a step further and stop... ...making them actually attend VT to play for the team. Why not just hire 85 football players? Why do they have to be students in a pro league?

You say this sarcastically, but it's a legitimate question that should be asked:

  • Why are non-profit institutions running a minor league football business?
  • Why are universities bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars to field an intramural team?
  • Let's face it, some of these kids are here to get an education, but kids are frequently 'nudged' into easier (lower ROI) majors so they can focus on football - why should we continue the facade that these recruits are students first, athletes second?

The more I think about it, the more I believe that college football should be independent of (but perhaps still aligned with) the college, associate with the city/town, and be a true minor league. Introduce promotion and relegation, and model it after European soccer.

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Realistically the best possible outcome at this point is the players unionize and just get a chunk of the revenue of the athletics universally applied. That would reset a lot of things and the players get paid. No idea how that would work with title IX but that dumps pay for play and is equitable.

Sooo make players employees of the university?

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Yep. I think its almost inevitable at this point.

I was only being a little sarcastic- seriously. And If there is so much money in college football, why can't we just use some of those billions to build a football only facility and posh dorms? I mean there are billions out there.

They weren't being paid with cash, but were getting educations, etc. where they might not have been able to before. In today's society where we have a different thread just talking about the outrageous cost of a college education, these athletes were getting out of school (sometimes with a Masters) without any DEBT.

Was the system broken, maybe. But the current system is setting itself up to be WORSE without any oversight or rules. USC and a big donor just BRIBED a student into leaving a school to go to a different one by offering money. Tampering used to be a big offense, now it isn't enforceable as it is negotiated through a third party.

You don't know he was bribed. That's speculation. He's friends with Caleb Williams. He just as easily could have been talked into it by him.

And that would still be tampering if he wasnt already in the portal. Which the last second entry would suggest he got talked into it.

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I think the rules for tampering are different for players vs the coaches/administration. It's a fine line, but I'm not really sure what you could do to stop players from talking to each other.

Let me rephrase that last part: A company* with hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue just PAID an employee to leave another company and go to a different one by offering money. We used to pay these employees via education and housing, but now other companies have started paying salary in addition to benefits.

*non-profit maybe, nominally, but athletic departments act an awful lot like companies in my estimation

I certainly sympathize with the view that some measure of regulation will be required to ensure both a competitive marketplace (as is true in all economies) and a competitive on-field product but I also think it would be an impossible task to get those checks and balances right the first time without first seeing what the chaos looks like. Let's let it play out and see what can be done thoughtfully to maintain the aspects that makes CFB special while still remaining fair to those involved (and keep everything legal). In the meantime I'm thrilled for life changing amounts of money to be changing hands.

just PAID an employee to leave another company and go to a different one by offering money.

Except this is against the rules (and is against the rules in most major sports). If the player elects to leave their current team (e.g. enter the portal), then its ok. In this case, its pretty clear (although difficult to prove) that there was tampering.

Unfortunately, this will turn a lot of people off (or at least reduce their interest in) to college football and basketball.

Was the system broken, maybe. But the current system is setting itself up to be WORSE without any oversight or rules.

Worse for who? The fan? The school? The Player? The TV networks? The coaches?

"The Sport of College Football" is a diverse group of stakeholders. What's best for one might not be best for all.

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If anything this confirms how truly bad the problem was before, millions and millions of dollars were being withheld from the people who deserved it and the market is correcting.

If college football truly can't survive this reality it will only be proof that the game we loved was even more rotten at its core than we could have imagined.

I could not agree more

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I agree with this. Let's stop pretending that CFB was ever about the "Student" in student-athlete part, unless you go back to the early 1900s or something. These kids are expected to eat sleep and breathe football and put their bodies on the line in probably the most violent sport on the planet. I'm ok with them getting compensated for it. Also I don't really think this changes much, the rich get richer by buying whoever they want, but thats always been the case, blue bloods will always pull the best players anyways

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Lol, might be controversial, but I think football is more dangerous than MMA, both are brutal though

This is a great article, that definitely needs it's own thread. So many fascinating pieces - the benefit of NIL to college towns, the fact that All Americans are less likely to go pro, different arguments for how this will impact (lack of) parity, Kayvon Thibodeaux's comment about how NIL "created an unfair playing field, but life is unfair."

But this has to be the best part:

Even Group of 5 program SMU, infamously rocked by that NCAA cheating scandal, will benefit from the trend with alum Eric Dickerson leading a collective that expects to donate more than $1 million to NIL initiatives. In a brash move, the university is embracing its checkered past, posting in April a tweet of one of the more infamous symbols of an NCAA investigation that resulted in the death penalty: a gold TransAm belonging to Dickerson himself.

This is peak college football, and I fucking love it.

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Remember Dickerson had to take a pay cut when he went to the NFL. (rumored cause no one who knows will tell)

the group is attempting to build a more sustainable model than having a small handful of millionaires giving seven figures each year. The goal: get 10,000 Penn State fans to contribute $10-$500 each per month.

So it's the new IPTAM?

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It's almost as if players take everything into consideration, and aren't just going to go to whichever school/collective offers them the most money.

Yeah but this is confirmation that NIL companies are actively tampering with players under scholarship to bribe them to play elsewhere with 6 figure deals.

This is exactly what we were told would not happen. It took less than 12 months.

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I mean, sure, we were told that, but did you really think it would play out that way?

It happened before NIL, and it will keep happening. It's still very much the exception for the vast majority of athletes.

There seems to be a new exception every couple days right now

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There are roughly 11,000 (85 x 130) D-1A football players. Even if you heard about one a day, that's still about 3% (365/11,000) of football players. Very much the exception.

And there are about 130 teams, so that's two players per year, per team - assuming the distributions are equal. But that's not going to be even. The teams with enough money and exposure won't lose their best players, maybe some depth players at best.

Teams in the middle of the pack will lose their top contributors to the real contenders. Probably the top two contributors, maybe more, most years.

Sounds kind of like baseball except they'll be at another school instead of in the pros

The top teams aren't going to be able to roster that many transfers and recruits to get all the top players from middle/low-tier schools, and being offered more money doesn't guarantee they'll all transfer, regardless. There will certainly be transfers, but in won't be a conveyer belt.

Either he is the exception to the rule or he just wants people to think he got offers and is the exception.