Former Coaching Staff: Where are they now?

I thought it would be interesting to see where the former staff has landed (or in some cases, hasn't). The more I dug, the sadder I got. You would expect many former D-1 coaches from a football rich school like VT to be picked up. Without further adieu:

Justin Fuente- Unemployed
Brad Cornelson- Self-employed HS QB coach.
Adam Lechtenberg- Co-OC at University of Central Oklahoma.
Ryan Smith- CB coach at Northwestern.
Vance Vice- Unemployed
Jafar Williams- WR coach at Temple.
JC Price- Retained at VT.
Jack Tyler- LB coach at Texas A&M Commerce.
James Shibest- Unemployed
Bill Teerlinck- Unemployed
Jon Tenuta- DC for the New Orleans Breakers (USFL)
Justin Hamilton- Unemployed
Ben Hilgart- Assistant Strength Coach at U of Arizona

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What, pray tell, is a self-employed HS QB coach?

Does he run his own school?
Does he have a kid in HS and awkwardly pretends he's the QB coach?

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

How I feel after going through this website...

Shocking that no one got promoted to Head Recruiting Coordinator. /s.

The previous regime couldn't carry Fontel's jock strap. I've never loved an ex-hoo more. We need to pay him whatever he wants.

As a fellow Herm Panther, I was bummed when he went to UVA to play football because that meant I wasn't allowed to like him anymore.

Luckily after he left that place of which we don't speak; he went to coach some other decent VA schools and is currently putting all his talent and experience to good use for the good guys.

He also has a perfect nickname for Hokie Valentines recruiting:

VT Marketing Class of 2009
Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

I can't get over the low resolution photo on the home page that looks like it was taken on a phone from 2007.

LOL. He is still rocking the 540 area code.

I mean so do I, and I have lived in NC for the last 15 years

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This is home

I just went to this site. HH is on line 2.

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"My coaching and leadership had a major roll in driving Hendon away from VT, and you all see what he did as a QB at Tennessee... you're welcome Hendon"

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

What, pray tell, is a self-employed HS QB coach?

This is my school
This is home

Gold.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

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That can't be Brad. I saw too many reads.

As funny as this is, one of the saddest things about VT football is that we consistently hire absolutely abysmal offensive coordinators, and it may have cost us our only chance for a national title. My dad always evaluates coaches by asking "if we fired him, who would hire him?" Well, Stiney never held a P5 job again and is now a high school athletic director. Loeffler is HC at a lower level after a bad run at BC.

I asked this question of the Sons of Saturday pod a while back and it hit a nerve. Turns out I was right about uncle Rico. Cost Fu his job and set us back even more

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

A lot of parents hire private coaches for their kids - it's not uncommon in a lot of sports, especially as you approach the collegiate athlete level.

IIRC, one of the knocks on QP was that he got so many fewer practice and in-game snaps than his peers, in part because he didn't have a private coach (also because he hasn't played football as long as others, and his high school didn't have a 'full staff' of coaches).

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I feel like an idiot now. I wasn't even thinking about private coaching.

That poses an even better question...whose parents are paying their hard-earned money for private lessons from Corny?

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Yea really not sure what parent looks at his body of work and goes "thats what I want for my kid!"

I guess private coaching has to have a bargain bin too.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I can't even begin to remember what thread it was on, maybe the Fuente fired thread, but I remember seeing someone post the prices. It went from like a group zoom call all the way up to private one-on-one lessons.

I'm guessing it means Corny does a lot of honey-do's and yard work.

I believe Vance has 1 more year until his kid graduates so he might just be doing that.

The surprising on with Teerlinck, he was a DL coach of a good NFL Dline

Can we wait a little bit and hire Teerlinck back? The guy is an amazing coach. I think if JC Price wasn't a hometown guy and he left with Fuente, Teerlinck might have been retained. Pry has to know that Teerlinck is a top shelf DLine coach.

I don't think some of these guys have been looking for jobs. They made enough money to take time off and reset and be with family. I hope they all find good jobs when they want them and figure out where their coaching level ceiling is.

I dont think Teerlinck's scheme is what Pry wants. He runs more side to side movement than penatration. So closer to Bud's or Venerables than what Teerlinck does.

Yeah, after I typed up that post I wondered if it was a scheme thing.

Shibest is the only one on that list that surprises me. He should be coaching somewhere.

important to note that, just because they're unemployed, doesn't necessarily mean they've been trying to find another job. Wouldn't surprise me if some of these guys just want to take some time off to reset a bit. The last several years was pretty rough for a lot of them.

The one that amuses me the most, is ol' Corndog being "self employed" as a HS QB coach. Out of the group of coaches who aren't employed, he's probably tried the hardest to get hired somewhere

Onward and upward

Seems about right. Getting pushed around by Duke at home.

I always got the feeling that Fuente was only in it for the money, especially in his later years. I never got the feeling that he "loved" being a head coach and the grind coaching requires. This is pure speculation, but I believe he would be the happiest as a coordinator full time, no press, no face of the program. Oh well, he has 8.5 million reasons to stay unemployed now.

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From the moment he was hired his midset was.. It's VT- the stands are full, we will have a top 10 defense. I will draw up enough plays to score 35 points a game and win 10 games every year. When he couldn't recruit good defensive players and his clown strength staff couldn't develop them, the defense fell apart and so did his career.

Oh I totally agree - he seemed absolutely miserable from about 2018 onward. You know how you might have a family member that you love but they're kind of useless but you've vowed to stand up for them no-matter what? I also feel like that's the case with Fuente and Cornelsen. I think Fuente knew that Corny wasn't any good at his job. And I think that really ground him down a lot while he was here. But his loyalty to Corn was bigger and more important than anything else. He got his golden parachute and kept lookin' out for his buddy the whole time. I'd be miserable too, TBH.

Onward and upward

No more G5 experiments!

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Not to disagree with you, but uhhhh, Beamer volume one? I know, long ago, different circumstances. Personally, I consider it a roll of the 🎲 every time you hire a new coach.

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Beamer 100% gets canned if he coached nowadays because he went 2-8 after his sixth season lol

TKP would hate him for sure lmao

See, that's where you're wrong.

Beamer came from I-AA, not G5.

That's probably where we made our mistake with the last coaching regime. Not getting a I-AA coach.

(entirely TIC)

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

There are plenty of G5 coaches who have had successful careers as P5 coaches (Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly come to mind immediately). We shouldn't rule out any coach just bc they're coming from the G5.

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And I have no doubt that Fuente might have been able to sign a defensive Tackle that could play had he had a 4 leaf clover or gator head on his polo too. Fuente couldn't recruit me to a cold IPA. That was his main issue. With ND or Florida, his recruiting would immediately improve day 1.

I am extremely willing to let UF or (maybe especially) Notre Dame test this hypothesis.

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I think just about any one we got to follow Beamer would have failed. Maybe in a different way, but if you look where VT is now and where it was in 2015/2016 we are light years difference in the staffing just by number of jobs. Our recruiting department was 1 guy, i don't think our marketing/graphics department existed (for football only), our social media was terrible. And our coaches pay lacked except for Bud, who is arguably the greatest defensive coordinator to ever coach college football (O&M glasses make 2nd best not even close). I don't think we got a hudl account until Fuente got here.

Taking over and modernizing VT football was a massive job. Pry hired a general manager to help do this. This was arguably John Ballein's job in the late 90s, when VT took off. Who was that role for Fuente? I don't see a position like that. We now have a director of sports science for football. We now have a digital strategy and innovations group. Pry added 11 more positions to his staff than Fuente had which was more than Beamer had.

Fuente had his issues, but taking over VT and bringing them to the modern age was a huge task. We saw the growing pains of losing the only recruiting personnel and our class tanked. VT today is in a much different place than it was 8 months ago. It's going to take time and money. We barely hit the top 25 in compensation. anOSU pays their DLine coach more than our coordinators. Fuente's Defensive coordinator from Memphis makes more than both our coordinators combined. Fuente's Offensive Coordinator at Memphis makes more 10% more than any of our coaches. So they would have been stupid to follow him to VT. Dickey made twice as much as we were paying Corn in 2016. If Fuente would have been able to bring his coordinators (2014), both doing well at SEC schools, then we would be paying more to keep those two than we pay for the defensive staff and as much as the offensive staff. So let me state that differently, we couldn't have afforded Memphis's staff, that's not great.

I don't think straight coordinator salary comparisons are apples to apples. I think Pry went inexperienced on Defense because he would be there as well as to train him on what he wants. On Offense, he also went inexperienced, but some of that was getting more experienced guys under him and he has passing game and running game coordinators under the O-coordinator, so probably distributing some of the responsibility. But it seems like a good way to get our program going, just makes comparisons less meaningful (in my opinion).

Sure but Barry Odom wasn't that expirenced when he left Memphis. Darrell Dicky prior to A&M has a resume that reads a bit like Brad Glenn.

Tyler Bowen has way more expirence at the P5 level than Dickey. Bud Foster spent 8 years at a P5 before become DC, Marve is 6. Odom 3. Odom had 6 years of total college coaching expirence prior to becoming an SEC DC. It's tough to say we would have spent the money to get him in 2016 if Bud had retired, becuase we would have spent Bud like money to get him and that's with 7 total years of college football coaching epierence. This also assumes that he wasn't named HC at mizzou.

That Memphis team didn't read like it was just oozing with guys that took a lower job to move up, most had very little P5 experience. Yet Darrell and Barry made a lot of money on their next jobs, more than it would have seemed fathomable for VT to have paid at the time.

That Memphis team caught lightning in a bottle and acted like the lightning was their idea.

I mean some of them yes, but Dickey is OC for a team many think can make a playoff run this year. Odom took over an Arkansas defense and greatly improved them year 1. Those guys have been lightning.

The lightning was hiring all the right people and having Paxton Lynch to run your offense.

actually i think they caught lightning in a bottle and then thought "wow this is great" and then took it overboard and wound up completely bottling everything

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

That's a much better description.

Comparing our current D-coordinator salary to the Memphis one is off a little as well. Bud was still here when Fuente got here, so would we have taken, or even considered taking a different D-coordinator than Foster? And Foster made a whole hell of a lot more. Like I said, I think respective salaries is a little misleading. We got some experienced guys as position coaches and we paid more for some of them. I think we also took some of that money and allocated it to support staff to try to grow into a big-boy program. If we'd be happy with Memphis performance, let's move to a G5 conference, scrap the support staff and pay the coordinators more.

We're growing, or trying to, so some things may be out of whack until our performance picks up. I'd hope that if we get back to 10 win seasons and ACCCG appearances and revenue increases, we can and would pay the coordinators more to stick around.

I am not comparing to Memphis salary, I am saying they had coordinators that were better than VT could afford because they both left Fuente's staff for jobs that we wouldn't match. Their work at Memphis earned them more pay than VT would pay because we have refused to play ball.

If Pry hired Dickey and Odom then he would have had 2 home run hires that would have been big hires. That's not G5 results those are now SEC results.

Are you arguing that VT shouldn't pay staff like they work for a P5 football program? I don't want to get rid of staffers, I want expectations to be 10 wins, so pay the coaches and staff for that expectation. We are now just starting to pay like a top 25 team, but last year we paid the coaches like the 50th best P5 team and you know what if you line up the P5 teams last year by record, 50th gets you 6-6. We should be appalled that we let Bud be the 10th highest paid DC in 2016, Kevin "I let WVU drop 70 on me" Steele was paid more.

Toxic work places set high expectations for low paying jobs. Anyone who meets those expectations is gone. Wiles is probably at his house in Raleigh thinking why he didn't leave earlier for a 100% bump in pay.

No one thought Fuente was doomed to fail after his first two seasons. Then he got his big buyout and checked right out.

This list really, really says a lot about where we were and why that staff is no longer here.

J-Ham is the most surprising here since he's still pretty young. Thought he'd at least get an analyst job at South Carolina. Tyler got a really good landing spot using the Adibi connection, get more on field experience under his belt. I'd expect Vice, Teerlinck, and Shibest to get decent gigs next year.

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A lot of coaches will make money by coaching players on the side so I wouldn't count anyone out.

JHAM said he wanted to get into the NFL so let's see what comes out.

They'll all start working next year.

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The fact that Vance Vice is unemployed is kind of a head scratcher.

weren't some (all?) of these guys on 2-year contracts, so this year they are basically being paid to not coach?

also college coaching is a 12+hr a day type of job. some of these guys might just be ready for a break for a year.

I think they are waiting on NIL money and their invite to the BIG10.

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OT: not sure where else to put this. Dennis Dodd has Tony Elliot as "safe and secure" while having Pry as "all good...for now". Someone explain this other than by saying Dodd is a complete tool. Is this based on program expectations, or is Pry considered a riskier hire than Elliot?

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Edit: ok...

Either an oversight or he's an idiot. Barring a scandal that allows VT to terminate with cause there is no way Pry gets fired this year.

At VT we actually expect results. At UVa? Well, 20 years of getting paddled by your bigger brother will take all desire to compete away from you

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Leaving the OP here for clarity, but I started a new thread per GGC.

MF Cornelsen charging $75 for a "virtual film review"

He should be arrested for fraud.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

It is a virtual film review, not "real film review."

Alright, now put on your 3D headset. Okay, now this is what it would look like inside of a film review...I think...I don't know I've never been part of one. Let's poke around in here and see what happens.

In fairness, most of his potential was virtual.

We have some actual news on this front

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Shaping up to what could be a decent staff. Petrino knows his stuff. Wouldn't want him to do any recruiting, but he knows offense.

After all he's been caught up in, I don't know if Las Vegas is such a good place for him...

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

On the other hand, it's perfect. What happens in Vegas...

Pretty sure it is legal in Nevada...

TBH Petrino would be just who you want to line up NIL deals for recruits with those certain Nevada establishments.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Rumor has it that Petrino is already leaving UNLV after only 20 days for Texas A&M. Maybe Vice and Shibest put in a good word for Fuente as OC?

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

Is he going to tell them by leaving a note in their lockers?

Fuck Petrino.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Wow, Petrino Fisher and Durkin running a program together.

Two rednecks and a fake tough guy walk into a bar...

Two rednecks and a fake tough guy a redneck, an adulterer, and a murder walk into a bar...

FIFY

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oooooooOOOOOOOOOF

that's a lotta bad in one program

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

What is wrong with rednecks? Sidebar, I want to know the definition that is entailed by the word because it can have many meanings.

Well you know what they say.... If you have to ask.....

Personally I think it's a lived experience to understand the term. My best example is to compare Jimbo with Coach Beamer. And where you can see distinct differences lies a pretty good definition of redneck...one man's opinion.

"Don't go to, go through"

My dad used to explain that there are good ol' boys and there are rednecks.

A good ol' boy has a cup in his truck in which to spit out the juices from his chew.
A redneck just spits out the window.

That sort of thing.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

It's the glorious absence of sophistication.

found the Jeff Foxworthy fan

Onward and upward

I don't know if fan is the right word, but I have heard his bits throughout my life. That one stuck with me because of my continued flirtation and crossing of the line between redneck and not a redneck.

Just found this when looking to see what bowl games Bill Roth is working. Having listened to his press conferences, he doesn't strike me as a scintillating radio personality, but we'll see. Posted it first in the coaching carousel page, thinking it was this one.

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Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

I might listen to these to see if he opens up but at the first thought of this it seems like it'll be a damn dry broadcast

(add if applicable) /s

I glanced at the Sun Bowl lineup and was like "Oooohhh Roth and Fuente on the same broadcast? Saucy!"

And then I read it was Brian Roth...sadz

Well he should certainly be able to predict and diagnose a jet sweep.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Really? I think he'd be more like "wow how did the defense see that jet sweep coming? Those almost always work!"

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He's actually pretty good when he loosens up, go listen to the podcast that he was on recently. I think he didn't feel free to be himself at VT, especially in front of the media so those aren't great examples of his personality.

Exactly. He was generally personable and self-deprecating on Tech Talk Live too. I don't know if it will translate to being a radio analyst or not, but I wouldn't be shocked if he was decent.

I've said it before, but all I hear is Jeffrey Lebowski when he talks.

Ehh. Probably won't be any worse than Tuberville or Mack.

Well, he's probably a step ahead of Mack, since he likely won't take a nap in the 3rd qtr.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

And the games are scheduled far enough apart where he shouldn't have to leave during the 4th.

From what I was reading, Justin agreed to do these games as long as there was a chair for Brad as well.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Take your leg that made me snort.

just......bravo

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

So is Brad headed to Liberty then?

This would honestly be the best case for him if he can catch on as a broadcaster. Nice money and no expectations.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

This is good. He cannot ruin kids futures as an analyst.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Oh I dunno, Craig James tried his best when he was at ESPN

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This is home

Was that before or after he killed 5 hookers?

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Allegedly

Could be more too.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

To be fair, Fuente didn't ruin any kids' futures as a coach. In fact, he got a surprising amount of players to the NFL. He just ruined VT football in the process.

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To be fair, he also played a big role in getting (some) VT fans to realize how underfunded the football program is compared to aspirational peers.

Wonder if he'll squeeze a water bottle the whole time until his co-host rips it from his hands?

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I hope there's a bad penalty and he calls it some "ludicrous crap."

Nah, that line will come when his colleague criticizes a play call by the coach instead of blaming poor execution by the players

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

After the QB improvises on a busted play and throws an interception:

"See, that's why I never let my QBs make any decisions"

This is really surprising to me. First, his press conference persona just doesn't seem to translate to a TV booth. Secondly, I thought it would be at least a decade after he left VT before he got to three bowl games.

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He is still rocking the HokieSports headshot.

I'm sure it's just a weird angle or something but her head looks horribly misshapen.

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one click shows Wagoneer's been around TKP for 7 years. Sheesh. Everyone take a nap, have a snickers or something.

Doubling down, I actually checked out her Instagram, and I think she just has an unfortunate skull. Not to be elitist about it, but as a premature baby my head shape is amazing. It works out pretty great for me because I'm bald.

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How the spreadsheet going?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Weird flex, but all right

I'm still figuring this out.

That's what I was going for

"Unfortunate skull" lmao never heard that before

That's my favorite CCR song

a la Portlandia put a Beard on it

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I hate to break it to you...you know what never mind. Yours is better

I'm still figuring this out.

Ah, TKP during the off-season 🀣

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UNLV: The program has formally announced the additions of Vance Vice (OL), Ricky Logo (DL), and Jeff Fish (Strength and Conditioning).

Vance Vice has found a home

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Under Barry Odam. They were both on the Memphis staff from 2012-2014. These guys definitely like to stick together.

Ricky Logo! That's my guy! Love that dude

I know this thread was started to track Fuente's former staff, but I thought I'd add that Stiney has been hired as an assistant at VMI.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

It's been a very interesting path for Stiney since he left VT. Great guy. Helluva recruiter. Fantastic OL/TE coach. But there's a reason he's not been hired to do anything of significance since he left VT.

Now, with that being said, maybe he has simply turned down a bunch of jobs to stay regional.

Is coronavirus over yet?

VMI hired Danny Rocco as their head coach, who he previously worked with at Delaware. I'm sure the opportunity to work with him again while being able to stay home was too good to pass up.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it. Don't get me wrong, every recruit and parent I've ever talked to who interacted with Stiney has nothing but great stuff to say about him! I hope thrives at VMI.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Did anyone watch any of the bowl games Fuente called? Curious how those went

Onward and upward

I heard the first few minutes of a game (forget which one) on the radio before I changed the station to something else. It was Meh, but then again I only listened to the first few minutes.

I don't think he is calling any games on TV, pretty sure just a syndicated radio broadcast that local sports stations can pick up.

Someone on 247 said during one game, the play-by-play guy asked him, "coach now what do you do in this particular situation?" And he apparently said something to the effect of, "well, I don't know honestly. I got fired from my last job because I didn't make good decisions." Lmao

I hope this is true, that would be some awesome self-deprecating humor.

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As I wrote awhile ago in this thread, Fuente definitely exhibited a self-deprecating humor on Tech Talk Live with Laazar.

Hilgart has landed Director of Sports Performance at Boise St

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This was a part of his introduction from an artile posted on broncosports.com "Hilgart has 20-plus years of experience with stops at Arizona, Arizona State, New Mexico, Ohio State, UTEP and Western Illinois." I wonder why they left out Virginia Tech as he was here for 6 years

1-0 every week

The previous regime when asked about their time at VT during job interviews

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mmmmmmmMMMMMMM sus

nah I get it honestly, I don't have jobs I quit/was fired from on my resume either

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

All the skinny legs for the smurfs!

Is coronavirus over yet?

They don't even have any beaches in Idaho.

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

one click shows Wagoneer's been around TKP for 7 years. Sheesh. Everyone take a nap, have a snickers or something.

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Not lying, had to look up 'CCSU' to find out what school it was. But, congrats on the new job!

Closed Circuit State University? Virtual classes and virtual football team? /s

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

Class act, I get Pry had to do his thing, but Lechty would have been a good one to keep. He recruited some solid talent in Herbert and Blackshear, even had Ramon Brown for a while b4 the Fuente bust.

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Also recruited Tucker Holloway and Bryce Duke, two freshman that got playing time this year

He was the position coach that had 10 RBs on the roster. When you bring in that kind of volume, one or two has to be good, right?

Bless their hearts.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

The replies to that tweet are priceless

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My favorite so far.
"Sam Houston State? More like Sam YouJustHiredAnIncompetentCoordinator State."

Not witty, hard to read, doesn't rhyme or have any cultural subtext, but damn.....spot on!

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

one click shows Wagoneer's been around TKP for 7 years. Sheesh. Everyone take a nap, have a snickers or something.

Not witty, hard to read, doesn't rhyme or have any cultural subtext

but damn.....spot on

How I read this knowing said tweet is mine.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Weekly validation that we had a G5 staff. Let's hope we now have a P5 staff

It's an interesting hire. With Keeler, a very successful FCS coach with his own offensive philosophy, Cornelsen can potentially succeed, especially if Keeler defines the offense. And sometimes, a change in scenery after a year of reflection can truly improve a coach. But, it's also true that Corenelsen struggled to scout/game plan and playcall a game, which are probably two of the most important qualities to being an OC. Meh.

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Cornelsen basically ran Fu's system. I don't think anyone gives him credit for the good offensive performances, it more goes back to Fu paying attention to the O more in practice etc.

Maybe Keeler was looking for an OC who is just happy to implement his HC's system.

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I never thought I'd ever be interested in watching Sam Houston state. But here we are

Onward and upward

I have heard of every team on their schedule but this is the first time I've ever heard of Sam Houston state. So this should be interesting.

Onward and upward

They're a good program! Won the 2020 FCS natty

well they can kiss any potential relevance goodbye now, doubly so if they moved to FBS

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

It's Texas's Radford. Third tier school with one really good course of study. What Radford is to nursing degrees in Virginia, Sam Houston is to Criminal Justice degrees in Texas (state penitentiary is also in Huntsville).

Hahahaha, wow rough way to start their CUSA career

They were cherry pickin the hell out of those stats and really focusing on 2020. Every other year his offenses were shit except the one where he had NFL level talent.

God fucking dammit. I casually pay attention to Sam cause half my high school went there, and they were finally decent the last few years. That offense is gonna be so bad even Radford could beat them.

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Seriously, how can they look at VTs offense for the past several years and say, "yep, that's our guy"

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I wonder if instead of a "buy out" clause on the contract when/if he gets fired, they wrote in a "buy back" clause where he pays back a certain percentage of his salary for either underperforming or every jet sweep ran netting 3 or less yards.

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Sheesh, some of the replies to the tweet are cringey... I know it's Twitter but goodness.

Anyway, thats a great job though, they won a natty a couple yrs ago and moving to FBS now. Hope he has a great stint there.

I mean yeah but a couple of them absolutely sent me. If for every 10 negative bad taste comments I can get 1 good joke that sends me over the edge I will take that ratio all day on twitter.

Something about snarky responses from the saltiest of VT fans to Sam Houston fans tweeting earnestly about their team I find hilarious. Also can't help but enjoy how our entire fan base turns into the cast of the player hater's ball at the mere mention of this guy

Note that one of the comments that was positive was actually from a VT player. Drake Deluliis

Lol yeah some of them are pretty good.

The joke's kinda on us though to be honest... literally paying Bowen 2X what we paid Corny and went from scoring 30 a game to 20.... so thats fun.

Cornelson lived up to his pay every year. You don't really see better P5 offenses from coordinators that were paid what we paid him. It's hard to say he failed to coach go his pay grade. Fuente lived up to being the 43rd best P5 coach too.

Bowen definitely failed in that case this year, but in a rebuild you can't judge off one year.

Yeah true that. I just hope Bowen has a plan to switch it up this year. To pay a guy $850k to not even have guys line up or snap the ball correctly half the time is ridiculous.... esp when we were paying a guy $490k to score 30 a game.

2021 Hokies scored 23 ppg and WR room only got worse

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And that was the outlier in terms of Corny's offenses overall. Every other year was around 30 PPG or over. All I'm saying is that if we were unhappy with paying $490k for 30 PPG, we better hope that Bowen learns how to eventually recruit & teach his players to line up correctly and outscore Corny's offenses if we're going to be paying him THAT much more.

We'll see what he can do with Kyron Drones, whom he recruited here personally.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'm personally thinking we see the offense take a big step forward this year. Influx of ready to play talent, Drones appears to have a very high ceiling and a great fit for the type of offense a lot think we are transitioning to next season. Plus now that several individuals including French have pointed out that none of our offensive staff really ran much of counter trey and other head scratching concepts we saw, I'm thinking we haven't seen the best of Bowen yet. I think blending in Glenn's influence with the RPO will also be beneficial. Bowen jumping on a plane immediately and getting a QB of Drones' caliber onboard after not ever having any connection with VT impressed me. We seem to have had a clear intention of upgrading personnel on offense and we did just that.

I have a huge problem with the sentiment. Comparing Bowen with Cornelson isn't the right way to do it because then you have no reason to complain about Cornelson or his offense at all. And we should it had lots of flaws. But the expectations set by his contract were low. The same thing with Fuente. We got what we paid for.

We are doing the same for Pry, we are paying him like a 6-6 head coach. But Bowen we are paying like a 29.5 ppg OC. And I don't want to grade him on PPG because if he has an offense that can run out the clock while a 13 ppg defense keeps the other team on lockdown then that's way more important than trying to hang 60 on some one. But the point stands that the expectations of Bowen are middle of the road P5 coordinator and if he's not that then we find another OC who ca do that.

I know you're referencing salary, but Fu was firmly outside the Top 50 performance wise

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Since 2016, VT has a better record than 27 P5 teams (includes this year's 3-8)

There are only 64 P5 teams + ND. Fuente's performance was no where close to 50th in P5 coaching.

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21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

How did we stack up after Beamer's croots cycled out?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

We didn't pay Tyler Bowen (or anyone on this staff, for that matter) because what we thought the on-field results would be in year one. And yes I'm going to beat this drum every time i see that kind of sentiment around here.

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I mean I totally agree with you. I don't know what you meant by "that kind of sentiment." All I said was that our OC pay rate went up substantially, and at the same time our on-the-field product took a nosedive. In year one. Not saying anything about the future.

I don't know what you meant by "that kind of sentiment."

There are many people on this site who think Bowen is overpaid, and support that view by saying that we were paying our previous coordinator half of what Bowen is making and got better results. There's a lot of flaws with this rationale.

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Oh gotcha. That makes sense. Well I'll put it this way: I have a sneaking suspicion that we overpaid for Bowen, but it is way too early to make that conclusion. We're still in "sit and wait" mode in my opinion, but early results not encouraging.

Reasonable take IMO.

On related note, Bowen is the 70th highest paid coordinator at a public school. Marve is 83rd. Source.

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Yep! Don't have numbers on what he was getting paid before, but as a first time offensive coordinator ("co" OC during short covid year. Only called plays in the bowl game) $850k is almost definitely above what he is worth based on resume.

Kevin Johns at Duke for example had 9 years of coordinator experience, and can't tell you his salary because Duke is private, but I can guarantee you it's not near as high (it would be 4x what he was getting paid at his last job). Warren Ruggierio at Wake runs a great offense as well (with Clawson heavily involved) and he's only getting 750k after year 10 (according to USA today). So yeah there are a definitely high performing coordinators with way better resumes getting paid less than Bowen.

Bowen may be better than these two, he may be way worse, but the point stands that given the information we had we paid too much (same with Pry). We spent money to spend money regardless of outcomes, whether we win a national title or never go to a bowl with this staff. Paying the correct market price is outcome independent

$850k is almost definitely above what he is worth based on resume

Except, $850K is what he made at his previous job (Link). I think most people would expect the same pay for more responsibility, even if a step down or two in prestige. And I would bet that he would have been able to earn about the same amount at another NFL team if he didn't come to VT.

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Good looks on finding the salary. Question is would be able to get another mid-high P5 OC job? Personally I think that's unlikely

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There are many people here who claimed to take the long view on this staff that wanted to pull the plug midway through the season. It was a bad season. But you don't hire people on initial three year contracts to execute a 3-4 year gut job rebuild and then pull the plug after 6 games or even a year because the results that you expected to be bad were bad. Nobody on staff or in the administration signaled to anyone that we were going to be better in any way last year than the year before. Anyone paying attention probably should have expected we do worse. "Cornfu bad" only went so far, there was more rot than that. Yeah we maybe had a 5 win floor, but we also had a 7 win ceiling on the Fuente trajectory, 8 if every star aligned. If we ran it back woth the same staff, I'm not convinced we would have been any more success on the field this year than we were.

Tldr: the people making the decisions knew this was a lost year, it's not a meaningful data point and it's useless to compare vs previous staff who put the program in this position to begin with.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Did anyone really want to pull the plug on the staff? Closest I saw was wanting to kick Wells off the team. Some people wanted to fire Bowen I guess but I think most people agree this year is make or break for him.

Personally I don't think even 2 years is enough to accurately judge Bowen given our OL situation, but can we afford to give him a 3rd year if he turns out not to be the answer?

yeah, good to clarify bc i could have worded that better By "pull the plug on staff" I just meant "staff members" -- dont think i saw anyone suggest Pry should be fired or that we should clean house, but people were absolutely for Bowen and Holt to lose their jobs. There was even clamoring about Marve on twitter bc he wasn't calling plays yet and we blew a few 4q leads.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

In my experience if people are clamoring for something on twitter it's probably something stupid.

We also didn't have nearly the talent level that Corn was working with on O

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

30 points to 20, but not sure how many times I have to say, without Turner, Robinson, Blackshear, and 2 NFL quality linemen.

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He didn't work out for us... at all. But I don't really harbor any ill will to the guy personally. Sometimes people just don't fit.

I hope he is successful.

I have no issue with the guy personally but I'm really suprised he got hired as an OC again. I can see position coach but OC after his tenure here just seems like they didn't actually do their homework on his previous job performance.

He's got a very punchable face.

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Not just job performance but personality and recruiting ability. Also that QB coach part....woof. And the whole scripting or determining the "expected" outcome of the play.

I was actually thinking about the scripting/expected outcomes, do we know for certain that came from corny or is it possible he was just following orders? (I'm actually asking, don't remember if it was really definitively hung on one person)

I'm still figuring this out.

I think it was Ryan Willis or Josh Jackson said in an interview that he got chewed out by Corn for throwing a completion to an open receiver instead of the scripted one that was covered. I know that's terrible attribution but that's the best my memory serves me. Perhaps someone else remembers better than I do, but that quote definitely stuck in my head.

There was definitely a story/rumor about Cornelson bashing Burmeister after the WVU game in '21 for not following his pre-scripted reads. The play ended up in a TD too, I believe to Gallo.

So the starting QB got browbeaten for doing what every other well-planned Offense does-trying to find matchup advantages and throwing to the best option, rather than following the single-read that the Opposing Defense is already prepared for.

I think that's why there is lingering vitriol towards Cornelson--he wasn't an effective Playcaller, had almost zero positive presence in Recruiting, and the little that made the surface about his personality suggested he was a jerk to deal with.

Position coach has to be able to recruit. One of Cornelson's many shortcomings.

If you are a gambler (I am not) hammer the under on Sam Houston State again and again.

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I thought it was Sam Houston Institute of Technology?

We put the K in Kwality

So even Fuente's best of the best assistants and coaches aren't even G5 level at their next stops.

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Not sure who is best of the best, but only Lecht and Jack Tyler are not at G5 or better. Fuente and Hamilton still are not coaching, but the rest of the entire staff now has a FBS job for 2023.

  • Vice, Teerlinck, and Shibest - UNLV (MWC)
  • Cornelsen - SHS (CUSA starting this year)
  • Ryan Smith - NWU (B10)
  • Price - VT (ACC)
  • Jafar Williams - Temple (AAC)
  • Hilgart (Boise State)

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I'd keep an eye on Lechty. He's now an FCS head coach. The only who has a head coaching role. I wouldn't be surprised to see him rise up in the coaching world.

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So Cornelsen is coaching the bearkats. No, that is not a typo. bearKats. As in "Cat: K-A-T, I'm outta here."

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I have tears rolling down my cheeks.

Regan is hilarious.

The bearkatts.

I saw a flock of bearkattsen.

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I think those of us who are expecting Corn to fail at Sam Houston may be disappointed. He has moved down to the level where his style of offense can work. Taking all the decisions out of the players hands and running plays exactly as laid out can be successful. It worked at Memphis.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

He stumbled upon a legit QB at memphis at a program with literally zero expectations. And parlayed that into a job at VT. Good on him, but hes not a good OC

Until he learns how to read and study film to make a game plan, he will never be a good OC.

Maybe he used his year off to improve. It is possible.

I'd say he parlayed his agreement to be a best man into a job at VT.

Wasn't it the other co-OC at Memphis that essentially ran the offense?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

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