Hokie Club members caught price gouging the secondary market for baseball and softball tourney tickets

Long story short, reserved tickets sold out during the time when only Hokie Club members could buy, and as soon as ticket sales closed, the secondary market was flooded with resales, with most going 3x to 5x the original purchase price.

The same thing happened in softball during the Regional and Super Regional, and per Chris, many if not most of those seats went unused during those games.

This is unbelievably shitty behavior, especially to pull this on your fellow Hokies during a tournament run. Anyone found to be doing this absolutely deserves to be shamed for it.

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How can these people do this to their fellow Hokies? This makes me very sad.

Unfortunately my fellow Hokie, it's the world we now live in....

Go Hokies!

Supply/Demand. Before the ACC expanded, the ACC hoops tourney was an impossible ticket. Now, you can get them for 7 dollars. You couldn't give away VT baseball tickets 5 years ago. Now the team is in the sweet 16, shocker tickets are in demand. And I can't believe Coleman can't call someone in the athletic department and get tickets. LOL. Give me a break

It's quite literally the opposite effect of supply and demand if these asshole fans are doing this and then the seats go un-used. Him being able to call the athletic department is absolutely not the point

Asshole VT fans = The people that pay for NetJets for recruiting trips, baseball scholarships, NIL funds, the new locker room upgrades, the Weaver baseball facility, the nutrition center. Total assholes.

You can do all those things and still be an asshole. A lot of good it does to donate towards all of that, only to effectively remove tickets from the market to that very stadium you're donating to improve. The logic is comical at best. This isn't some professional sports team

Let's run the numbers on asshole ness shall we? I mean the goal is to support the Hokies, right? Go VT!!

Big Donor- 15K per year donation, season tix for football, hoops, baseball, bowl games, ACC tourney tix, other capital donations... Let's call it 25K per year.

Chris Coleman- $500.00 per year donation (maybe) and complains he has to pay 200 dollars for super regional tickets.

Go Hokies.

It's not about Chris Coleman. I don't know what world you live in but a vast majority of Americans, especially those living in SWVA, are not going to afford $200 baseball tickets. Comparing someone with the financial ability to make $25k worth of contributions to the average person is dumb as shit. It's the principle of the matter, it's chicken shit and you and the rest of the people supporting it are what's wrong with college athletics these days.

The principle of the matter is that those people were given the opportunity to buy very affordable season tickets. They chose not to. Fact. Had they chosen that option, they would have had a chance to buy these tickets at face value. Again- sweet 16 basketball tickets are more expensive than VT vs. NC State in december. I cant believe people cant grasp this simple free market concept. Im not defending anything, I'm point out how life works.

I'm not gonna downvote you but IMHO it's less about how the free market works and more about being cool to your fellow Hokies in the good times (AKA super regionals). If someone is in the position to donate thousands and thousands of dollars to the school and then buy baseball tickets with the intent of reselling just for a few hundred doesn't feel like the right play.

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Again, I think being cool to your fellow hokies is donating and endowing scholarships so hokies fans can see a good baseball team on the field. I think that is being very cool to fellow hokies. Would I list super regional tix on stub hub? No. Would I buy VT tix in any sport without the intent on going to the game? No. Is listing tickets on stub hub so that anyone who wants to pay or NOT pay that price uncool to hokies or price gouging? Not at all in my opinion.

Is listing tickets on stub hub so that anyone who wants to pay or NOT pay that price uncool to hokies or price gouging? Not at all in my opinion.

Understood. That's where we can agree to disagree.

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Again, I think being cool to your fellow hokies is donating and endowing scholarships so hokies fans can see a good baseball team on the field. I think that is being very cool to fellow hokies.

Except...what is happening here is literally the exact opposite of that. Hokies are in effect being prevented from being able to see a good team on the field in person.

I think we all comprehend the (terrible) argument you are making. But its just that, terrible both practically and logically, and from the point of view of just not being an asshole on the part of these big donors. What's the point of spending all that money to promote the VT athletic brand...and then buying up all the tickets and pricing them in such a way where you in effect limit access to the VT athletic brand to the very fans that would grow it?

Being a good donor and giving money to the university/athletics isn't "being cool". There's an expected return for the money you provide. I donate money through the Hokie Club in order to purchase season tickets in a part of the stadium that I want. If I didn't have to donate that money and could still purchase those tickets in the same space, I would go that route. Rich people donate money for various reasons, i.e. power, influence, bragging rights, etc., not to "be cool". Some may have ties to the program and they're helping to support it.

As to the SH/VT pairing, both StubHub and Ticketmaster have repeatedly proven themselves to be complete dogshit companies who have managed to get a strangle hold on the performing arts. Pointing to the fact that VT is paired with them does nothing other than showing that VT is paired up with a shit company. That's not a good thing.

It seems that the vast majority of people on TKP (except for you), see individuals who knowingly purchase tickets solely to resell them at a profit as shitty fans. If they were good fans, they would recognize that they weren't going to be able to make the game, and then pass on them, OR, they would sell them at face value if they purchased them intending to go but couldn't do to life getting in the way. The fact that members of the highest tiers of the HC, individuals giving in excess of $16,500/yr, would buy tickets for an event they knowingly weren't going to attend and then scalping them at many times their face value, shows that they don't give a fuck about their fellow fans, they just care about the money.

That is not cool

Rule #1 about being a Good Hokie is "Don't be a dick".

Those who are price gouging right now are 100% being a dick, and more infuriating is that they're being a dick specifically to less fortunate Hokies with the intention of profiting off their misfortune of not having as much money to donate as they do. If you're trying to defend these actions, you're part of the violation of Rule #1.

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Again, how is listing tickets on an open forum partnered to VT athletics with no mandatory buy requirements and open price competition in ANY way price gouging? explain? And I'm not playing dumb or semantics. Anyone can purchase from stub hub. If nobody does, they will reduce the price as the game comes near- as 99% of ticket sellers do. If they do sell, well then they listed at a fair price people volunteered to pay.

Dictionary.com: price gouging

an act or instance of charging customers too high a price for goods or services, especially when demand is high and supplies are limited:

Scalping and Price Gouging

Scalping, or price gouging, is the practice of hoarding many of one item that is in scarce supply and selling it above market rate prices. Both terms refer to the same practice, but "price gouging" typically refers to necessities like food, water, or cleaning supplies, whereas "scalping" can refer to those items, but also consumer goods like cars, fuel, or computers.

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Price gouging occurs when a seller increases the prices of goods, services, or commodities to a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair. Usually, this event occurs after a demand or supply shock. Common examples include price increases of basic necessities after natural disasters. In precise legal usage, it is the name of a crime that applies in some jurisdictions of the United States during civil emergencies. In less precise usage, it can refer either to prices obtained by practices inconsistent with a competitive free market or to windfall profits. Price gouging may be considered exploitative and unethical. Price gouging became highly prevalent in news media in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, when state price gouging regulations went into effect due to the national emergency. The rise in public discourse was associated with increased shortages related to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The term is similar to profiteering but can be distinguished by being short-term and localized and by being restricted to essentials such as food, clothing, shelter, medicine, and equipment needed to preserve life and property. In jurisdictions where there is no such crime, the term may still be used to pressure firms to refrain from such behavior. The term is used directly in laws and regulations in the United States and Canada,[1] but legislation exists internationally with similar regulatory purpose under existing competition laws.

The term is not in widespread use in mainstream economic theory, but it is sometimes used to refer to practices of a coercive monopoly that raises prices above the market rate that would otherwise prevail in a competitive environment.[2] Alternatively, it may refer to suppliers' benefiting to excess from a short-term change in the demand curve.

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I guess the argument is about "market rate". DC is claiming that market rate is what they are listed at on StubHub for, and it seems like your argument is that market rate is what the original ticket price was.

Since baseball tickets aren't necessities (like food/water/gas etc.) I think it is fair to say that no one is forced to buy them, so people will just choose not to go if they don't like the price. So I think "market rate" is probably closer to what DC is claiming than what the face value is. However, it definitely violates the spirit of what the Hokie Club was trying to do.

Probably should have limited the number of tickets that could be purchased, or not allow resale if they wanted to avoid this situation.

Would you like Prys with that?

This is indeed a crappy situation, but this is the most lucid, level headed post perhaps in this entire sub-thread. Leg for you sir.

Market Rate would technically be somewhere between the ticket vale and what they are going for on the secondary market. The reason being that people aren't willing to pay what those tickets are going for - as noted by the empty seats at the regional. If they were selling like hot cakes on secondary market then that would be closer to MV.

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Everyone grasps what you're saying, it's just not a compelling argument. This isn't football where interest is high and everyone knows the tickets might be difficult to come by. There are a lot of Hokies fans who haven't cared about baseball before but are now having a fun time supporting their team and want to continue that. I'm sure there are a lot of long-time fans who never bought season tickets because it's literally never been necessary, and it's probably easier to just buy individual tickets for games they can actually make. There are Hokie Club members who just want to support their school and their teams who can't afford to donate 20k+/yr. The Hokie Club ticket distribution system literally exists so that these groups of people can have a chance to get their tickets directly from the school and not have to pay exorbitant second-hand prices. It requires trust that people won't abuse the system. The bigger donors in this case abused the system for their own gain, but apparently we should applaud them for their ingenuity in taking advantage of a system built on trust.

The fact that you think price-gouging should be one of the perks of being a big donor is some complete, disgusting, motherfucking nonsense.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Who the fuck said anything about price gouging? Look up that term. Stub hub is an official fucking partner of VT athletics. You pay a premium for premium events. Thats called fucking life. Price gouging? you can't be serious.

I just saw this, but Alum07 seems to have saved me the trouble.

If this scenario were a picture, it would be beside price gouging in the dictionary.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Kinda depends on what you mean by "supporting the Hokies," doesn't it? Giving money is great. It's definitely a necessary part of college athletics at this point. But presumably the other fans trying to buy tickets are also Hokies, right? As are the players on the field, who would love to see the place packed to the gills when they're playing. The whole University and community are the Hokies. Most of whom benefit zero from that whole list of stuff that some rich donor buys.

Where did Chris Coleman come into this? Is he on TKP?

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Read the post itself :) It all started on Twitter.

Didn't even notice the author of the tweet. Thanks.

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Especially for people who been going to these games all these years and the team is finally having a big off season push just for them to be greedy. I'm sadπŸ˜₯

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They're definitely on their way

Had to update because apparently I was wrong when I said they were being sold for 2x to 3x the purchase price.

Its more like 4x to 5x

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Must be fuckin' nice!

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Wealthy people gonna do wealthy people things. Go figure.

At some point I heard a phrase I really l like. I can't claim it to be true but here goes:

Poor people think money is for spending
Middle-class people think money is for saving
Rich people think money is for investing
Wealthy people think money is for relationship management

So I'm going to claim that wealthy people don't need the extra hundred bucks or whatever it is. But rich people might think they do.

I'm not actually disagreeing with you I don't think I just really like that characterization of how people think of money and I wanted to type it out.

I have no problem with anyone buying and reselling tickets, as long as they're limited to 2-4 tickets or thereabouts. Happens all the time for football and basketball.

Although if you buy tickets for a playoff game and then those tickets go unused (because you overpriced them on the secondary market and nobody bought them) you should lose any priority status for ticket purchases across all sports for a year.

They should void those tickets, issue a refund, and then sell the seats at the door. Or just say eff it, give them away at the door and know better next time.

I am a HC member and football season ticket holder for 20 years. I have sold many, many tickets for less than I paid. I have never, nor will I ever sell a ticket to a fellow Hokie for more than I paid. Would gladly grab tickets for any of y'all for an event if you need me to have access.

Right there with you. We had some extra tickets to the softball regional that we tried to give away because we didn't see the point of trying to sell them. Another thing, I thought the fine print on the physical tickets expressly forbade re-selling a ticket for more than the face value? Or am I imagining that?

Not sure how stub hub factors in, but I thought VA law prohibited asking more for the ticket than you paid for it. You can be offered more, but legally face value is face value.

we all know people "above the law" don't follow the law

Onward and upward

typically how it works on these resale websites is that you sell the ticket for face value so you are compliant with the ticket and laws. You then tack on a "service fee" which is not regulated or definited and can be however much the seller determines, aka whatever someone is willing to pay for it

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And not just HC members, only the top three donor classes. By the time I (a mere peon apparently) logged in at noon, it was GA only. And I was in the moment the clock struck noon.

So the wealthiest donors, the ones who can afford to pay the most, end up paying the least before reselling them at a significant markup to make a substantial profit directly off those who have less.

Gotta love that

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Unless I missed a prior version, I don't consider Alum's post to be politics. Let's not cross a line talking about economical theories, morality of capitalism, or whatever, but what he posted is true. The people who give huge amounts to VT (and thus have fat bank accounts) got access to something, bought at a low price, are selling to profit, and that's it.

The wealthiest donors contribute the most to VT athletics. They actually fund baseball scholarships and coaches salaries. They actually built the Weaver baseball facility. So let's get pissed at them for listing tickets above face on stub hub. LOL. Come on man. Without them, our baseball team would be a club sport.

I get that, but they shouldn't also be allowed to buy up all the tickets for huge tournament games like this and then profit off of other Hokie fans by immediately placing them on the secondary market. That is pretty sleazy to be honest. This is just a pure cash grab, and shameful that a ton of these seats went unused for the softball regional.

Actually they 100% should be able to buy up all the tickets. Whit gets cash in hand- no brainer. If they overprice them and have to eat them, VT is not giving their money back. Think about it. Ticket sales aren't charity. Sure they should block of some for students- but for co-owners of Tech Sideline? LMAO. Pay like anyone else. Some games are premium priced due to demand.

This isn't pricing due to demand, this is VT athletics allowing select donors to set the market for the tickets and profit immensely. If due to demand, the university should price the tickets accordingly. Agree to disagree, but I think it's pretty shitty of the donors. And we end up looking stupid with tons of empty seats. Either buy the tickets and attend or let someone else go.

And we end up looking stupid with tons of empty seats.

That's where I am at. Its not really supply/demand if the market gets artificially inflated because the price gets set higher on the secondary market than what people are willing to pay. And then the tickets go unused. So we look like assholes for driving fellow Hokies away from the game. And we look like assholes cause we don't support the team. All because the secondary market is inflated by people with preferred access.

Was just going to comment on this. If it were really demand pricing, the prices of each seat would fluctuate. This is something else and seems short-sighted and lazy to me. Fan support and finances are two sides of the same coin.

They are pretty clearly abusing the system. Just because you can make a buck doesn't mean you are entitled to or can do so without judgement of others. The system is created specifically to give our biggest donors first dibs on tickets, and they took advantage of that for their own gain. If the Hokie Club wanted to charge market value they could have, but gouging your customers is a poor long term strategy. It's also just sad...even if they made 4 figures from the transaction (and it sounds like they didn't since many seats went unsold) that's not a lot of money to anyone donating at that level. To exclude fellow Hokies and harm the baseball/softball teams all to make a negligible amount of money they won't even notice reflects poorly on their character.

What you are not entitled to is discounted sweet 16 tickets for hokies baseball. Not in a free market. VT Miami football tickets are more expensive than VT Elon. Fact. That's a free market and not any system manipulation. My question is why didn't these hard corps VT baseball fans like Coleman buy season tickets? problem solved. Just like football- I had season tickets when Ohio State came to Lane- I didn't have to go to stub hub. As a season ticket holder, You would have had a chance to purchase super regional tix directly. There is nothing unfair about sports or concert ticket secondary markets. Its legal and in fact partnered (stub hub) with VT. For every fan whining about these baseball ticket prices, 5 more fans have gotten into a VT football game at well below face buying on stub hub. Fairness has zero to do with anything in this scenario.

I think a lot of these points are fair, but to me is the lack of actual market efficiency here with some of these folks letting tickets go unsold is the real problem. Having a bunch of empty seats when we are on national tv is a bad look. If there were true efficiency here then the ticket prices would start going down rapidly when these are not sold as you approach the game, instead they let them go unsold.

They are willing to bet that someone will get desperate as it gets closer to game time and pay the price. And considering the face ticket price is insignificant to these individuals, they are content with eating it if they have to. That is total market inefficiency and makes us look stupid on national tv with tons of empty seats. Only VT could find a way to botch some of the biggest moments in our athletics history.

Man its not even about the optics.

Our rich donors are profiteering off our poor fans. That's horseshit, and that's how you absolutely kill off a lot of goodwill within the Hokie Club and lead to a lot of the lower tier donors to throw their hands up and wonder why they even bother giving if they're just going to be exploited by those ahead of them on the food chain when it comes to actually attending Hokie sporting events.

The Hokie Club has a major problem coming out of this and they absolutely need to fix it. Our rich donors can't run amok like this. I don't care how much they give, you don't want to set a precedence of them being able to profit off those who just don't have the wallet size of them. Paying the least and reselling at 5x the cost is horseshit and it really should be a major red flag to Whit that this cannot happen again.

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This is the way it has always been though. Hokie Club is designed to cater to a small group of big donors and give them access and kick backs. It's cheaper/less work to keep a small group of big donors happy than work to attract tons of smaller donors and keep them. Only the top tiers have any influence and Whit even said as much (whether deliberately or slip of the tongue) in his 2020 presser.

This is the way it has always been though

That is not a good reason on why it should continue. In fact, given our historical issues with fundraising, perhaps this should be something that is absolutely targeted to be changed.

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This is the way it has always been though. Hokie Club is designed to cater to a small group of big donors and give them access and kick backs.

I would counter this by saying that English field's capacity, combined with spike demand for making super regionals for the first time, really makes this one of the few times where the mega donors benefits take something away from the average donors. They can donate uber bucks for a front row seats or boxes at Lane and Cassell and everyone else can make an average donation and still get access to a pretty good experience.

Let me know if I'm overlooking other ways. It's still crappy if they're doing this and the seats will go un-used but I'm just not sure it's this systemic issue that will bring down the Hokie Club.
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"Having a bunch of empty seats when we are on national tv is a bad look."

To me, I think THIS is the only actual issue. You can find a solution to that - maybe after the first inning all seats that have gone unclaimed can be filled by people already in the stadium looking for a better view (people do this in football all the time). Maybe pull from the peanut gallery further out. Maybe identify the number of seats unfilled and pre-announce a first come first in for students after the 2nd inning etc.

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To me, I think THIS is the only actual issue.

I'm going to add on to this: Opposing fans buying tickets on secondary markets that were originally sold to Hokie Club members is equally terrible. I HATE that we as an institution have partnered with Stubhub. We used to have a program called HokieShare where you could donate any tickets you weren't using to other Hokies or local charities in the NRV. Somewhere we went away from that and sold our soul to Stubhub and we actively endorse them on our official apps and sites. It's gross.

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Do we know this to be true? Are there going to be swaths of empty seats this weekend? Let's wait and see perhaps

There were lots of empty seats behind home plate last weekend. I noticed and wondered why. Now I guess I know why.

Every seller has an incentive to not allow their tickets to go unsold.

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You are twisting yourself in circles and refusing to listen to other viewpoints all to justify people profiteering off of something that is supposed to be fun. Tickets distributed by the Hokie Club are not meant to be existing in a free market, they are purposely being sold below market value so that fans who actually care and want to support their team have a chance to do so. In this case bigger donors took that away and tried to set their own market, for their own gain. There was an intentional market inefficiency, created so that more fans could afford to support their team, and maybe even to give our teams a competitive advantage in the game. Instead of respecting the game, and fellow fans, these high-level donors abused the process to make a buck, and judging by the empty seats they couldn't even do that right. This isn't about legality, it's just being a decent human being who has respect for others and wants to support their team.

You are twisting yourself in circles and refusing to listen to other viewpoints

I didn't even have to check who you were replying to to know it would be DCWilson.

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To DC an argument is to make an controversial statement, back it up with facts, have those facts shown to be horribly taken out of context, and, finally, reiterate your argument using different facts and/or by changing the argument so that it no longer depends on said facts. Basically it's just your run of the mill internet trolling. Named after user dcwilson40. If you are talking with someone who begins to "DC" the facts, just move on.

(1) I don't think dcwilson40 is taking his facts out of context, nor is he changing his argument. He's just making an argument that a lot of people here (edit: myself included) don't seem to like.

(B) dcwilson40 is focusing on a different aspect, the fact that high-level donors are already spending a lot of money on VT Athletics. Does that mean they should have carte-blanche? No, I don't think so, but there is obviously a difference of opinion on what those donors should be able to do with their priority ticket purchasing.

(III) The fact that this paragraph is written in the Glossary/Quick Reference is a pretty shitty personal attack, and should be taken down. The fact that dcwilson40 has moderated somewhat from 2016 isn't even germane, here. This is a personal attack, and is against the Community Guidelines, IM(ns)HO.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I happen to know for a fact that the guy who compiled that list is not officially associated with TKP staff. And while he's neither as funny as he thinks he is nor as clever, he also quit the site for over a year because of DC and his ilk making it downright unbearable to be here so I doubt he gives two pieces of excrement about being dressed down for personally calling DC out.

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he's neither as funny as he thinks he is

for what its worth, you made me chuckle

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"Tickets distributed by the Hokie Club are not meant to be existing in a free market, they are purposely being sold below market value so that fans who actually care and want to support their team have a chance to do so"- 100% your opinion and conjecture. 100%

So do you think the Hokie Club had no idea these tickets would be in high-demand, and just misjudged the price? Or do you think they intentionally priced them at a level that was affordable for fans and consistent with previous games?

Do you think the market for tickets is limited to Hokie Club members? Or do you think that the Hokie Club intentionally limits the market for their tickets to supporters as a perk for their support and priced them at a below-market value to ensure their supporters feel as if they are included and valued?

I am pretty sure what the Hokie Club did is standard practice. Arkansas and Tennessee did the same thing - season ticket holders and their higher tier donors got dibs and the tickets were sold out.

Also, I am not sure who sets ticket prices - if the host school does or if its a standard price set by the NCAA.

What you are not entitled to is discounted sweet 16 tickets for hokies baseball.

Dude, access to in-demand tickets at face value is literally the point of joining the Hokie Club.

Never said it wasn't. Im talking about the folks griping about secondary pricing

and remind me, who is flooding the secondary market with tickets at 4x to 5x the resale price?

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If you can't recognize this as a failure of a free market, then you should really just stop making your free market talking point, because you haven't the slightest clue how they work.

A select group of individuals being able to buy up a supply of a good and setting an initial price well in excess of what an actual free market and the associated supply and demand curves would dictate doesn't sound like a free market to me. I'm not saying that they can't do it. Its certainly their "right" I guess you could say.

But it doesn't make your terrible argument any better. It's a bad look for the school, its a bad look for Whit, and it's something that long term has a negative effect on promoting Hokie Club donations among the very group Whit has been trying to grow the most. Now those moderate/average/lower income Hokie fans choosing to take their dollars elsewhere, that's actually a free market. And probably not one that works out for our athletic department over the long run. Completely counterintuitive to the goal of these big money donors in the first place. All to make a few hundred bucks?

But please...keep telling us how this is perfectly fine.

A select group of individuals being able to buy up a supply of a good and setting an initial price well in excess of what an actual free market and the associated supply and demand curves would dictate doesn't sound like a free market to me. I'm not saying that they can't do it. Its certainly their "right" I guess you could say.

Not just this, but that group got exclusive early access and effectively eliminated the supply before it could be reached to the masses, and then proceeded to quadruple the prices to everyone else. That is shitty behavior.

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Its certainly their "right" "privilege" I guess you could say.

I think this is a more accurate word.

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a bit off-topic but does anyone have an extra for that VT-Elon game

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

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Shit move that made the VT fanbase look bad if they were indeed a lot of empty seats. (I didn't watch.)

Anyone found to be doing this absolutely deserves to be shamed for it.

I've never understood this sentiment of saying "shame on you." I don't think that is going to affect them.

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

I thought there were quite a few empty seats for both softball and football in the good seating behind home plate most of the playoff games. Was curious why but this explains alot.

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Not sure what Whit can do about it but would like to see him kick some ass over it

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

His hands are tied. If he tells a mega donor they're being a jerk, we lose that donor's money. And the people doing this are the ones giving tens of thousands a year, literally paying full scholarships themselves. What does Whit have to gain here?

The simple solution would be to remove or temporarily disable the immediate "sell on StubHub" feature in the app. If you make someone wait a little while to sell off their tickets, you may control the insanity of the prices and the race to sell secondhand. Of course, StubHub will never allow that to happen...

His hands are tied.

I completely agree with you. I guess we're just shit out of luck.

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Stub hub loves this so it'll never get changed unfortunately. I'd love to see the seats all filled but I'm guessing there will be empty seats this weekend again.

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We could just populate a list of seats still on stub hub, and have security not enforce seating in those locations

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I thought there were quite a few empty seats for both softball and football in the good seating behind home plate most of the playoff games.

Sooo, just how many empty seats were there for football behind home plate? ;^)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Donors buy 5 tickets, sell at 5x, make four figures.

All when they're the ones with money to blow this whole time

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which maybe gets used for their next donation. I'm not saying that is what is happening, but only that its a possibility. However optimistic I may be about the motives, it BLOWS because the tickets end up (likely) in the hands of someone that 1) just has more buying power, and 2) is nowhere near as invested as the regular fan.

Yep...that's what happened...I'll refrain from commenting further...but either way ....Let's Go!!!!!

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Off topic, but this is one of those interesting, practical use cases for blockchain. In a decentralized ticket market, you may want ticket sellers (hokie club) to validate/limit the cost for events like this, or even just penalizing re-sellers for unethical behavior.

Anyways, it sucks to see this.

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It could also be used for the Hokie Club to get a percentage of all resales like let's say 0.5% to 1% of the sale up to the face value amount and then 50% of the amount sold over face value. Could possibly curb some of the extreme resale pricing at times.

It is what it is.

But think of it this way as well. When those alumni or donors buy tickets for the bowl games through the Hokiesports offices, we get the worst seats at a premium price. You can buy cheaper tickets in better locations through the secondary market. But we buy through the school so our ticket allotment (that Tech must purchase) is actually used. So for once it worked in their favor, IF they can sell the tickets at an inflated price.

Personally, I just sit on the hill opposite the stadium and use a pair of binoculars.

How does this?

when only Hokie Club members could buy

Imply big donors?

Big donors buying up a lot of the best tickets

I am asking out of general curiosity, because you don't have to be a "big donor" to join the Hokie Club. (I think it's a minimum of $25.) Did they open up ticketing at certain times based on donor level?

Did they open up ticketing at certain times based on donor level?

Yes

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Hokie Stone, Hokie Scholar, and Hokie Ambassador groups got first dibs at 10 AM. Minimum annual gift of $16,500 to get that access. These groups bought all reserved seating before the rest of the Hokie Club got access at noon and their tickets were on StubHub for high premiums even before noon.

I appreciate the explanation and clarity. That makes sense to me. That's an unfortunate situation for fans who have been supporting the team but have priced out at the end.

That's where I'm at. The Hokie Club has done a great job attracting new donors and growing our revenue. Greater donations get greater access, that's fine with me and there should be a reward but I can see how solid supporters and anyone else in the HC just sees this as exploitative. I'd love to see student HC members get a shot at having a block of tickets close to home plate. Like a Cassell Guard for baseball. Make them lifetime, passionate fans and supporters/donors. What we have now is just profiteering and it is discouraging for those who give but are not rich.

This is not completely true. I purchased tickets at the 12:00p sale, as a regular donor.

As did I. Nothing I said contradicts that. But they were general admission only, were they not? There were no reserved seats available for me at 12:00. Those were snapped up by the big donors for resale. That's what the issue is here.

No. I got reserved seats.

That's pretty amazing. First I've heard of anyone getting that among the general HC population. So the big donors didn't buy 100% of the tickets, fine, but they bought damn near all of them.

I just spoke with the ticket office. They are obviously aware of this price gouging. I guess it happens all the time. The gentlemen I spoke with said he is unaware of them doing anything to identify the scalpers or do anything about it.

I mean its a tough line to walk. The people accused of it are going to be the donors you want to keep a relationship with obviously you're shafting an unknown amount of smaller donors

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We all know how whit feels about small donors. Remember that interview after he decided to keep fuente in 2020. Not a very smart thing he said

Here they come
Here comes the bastards
I heard it from a confidant
Who heard it from a confidant
They're definitely on their way

I still believe he said that not because he thought it but because that was the justification that people above him made in order for him to reverse course on firing Fuente, something he actually wanted to do.

He looked so defeated and fed up in that presser, and the things he said were so out of character that it raised a lot of red flags at the time. You can't convince me he wasn't asked to fall on the sword there and he went into that presser not in the greatest of mindsets.

But that's fine, because the fallout from it probably strengthened his control in the AD and caused those who pulled rank in 2020 to back the hell off going forward.

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Still not the best thing he could have said πŸ˜‚

Here they come
Here comes the bastards
I heard it from a confidant
Who heard it from a confidant
They're definitely on their way

There is one thing that I can't seem to understand about this, is that if you are a big time donor and have the disposable income to be able to donate 20k a year to VT, then why would you be trying to profit off of this? I mean, how many tickets were they allowed to buy? You may make a few hundred bucks but if you are at a level where you can just drop 20k a year without batting an eye then why would you go through the trouble just to make a few hundred dollars? Maybe they feel entitled to make others that don't donate as much to pay more for a seat?

Rich people tend to have a mind on how to get more rich. Some will take it any way they can get it

becoming a millionaire 10 dollars at a time

I don't think this is how those people got rich, necessarily, but if you make enough "10-dollar-decisions" in life it can add up. I don't agree with, support, or condone the behavior of purchasing tickets at a preferred rate and then turning around and selling for 300%+ profits but that's kind of the society we live in. As long as people will buy those "over-priced" tickets there will be other people taking advantage to turn a few bucks. When those tickets don't sell anymore the prices will come down or the practice may even stop altogether. Regardless, it's shitty that folks who want to go but can no-longer afford it due to the price hikes get screwed.

Onward and upward

Oh I don't agree with it either, its a dick move and it's being hashed out ad nauseum above, but a quick 300% profit is 300% either way you slice it.

it's shitty that folks who want to go but can no-longer afford it due to the price hikes get screwed

this is the only thing that really matters to me here, and why this is not cool to me any way you slice it. If it was out of towners doing it that'd be one thing, but Hokie-on-Hokie hoarding majorly bums me out

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I think what bothers me the most is that these are the top Hokie Club donors and this is their first instinct when getting this advance ticket purchase opportunity. Instead of viewing themselves as benefactors and stewards of the program, and wanting to go support the team in person, they think of a way to make a quick buck off of other Hokie fans. Sometimes I'm just almost embarrassed by our athletics because of the small potatoes mindset that is pervasive. I've experienced a Hokie Club donor getting territorial about taking his tailgating spot in a nice lot at the freaking Spring Game. The level of entitlement is ridiculous. Donating at those levels, your motivations shouldn't be on what perks you get or making a quick buck. It should be about something bigger.

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Here they come
Here comes the bastards
I heard it from a confidant
Who heard it from a confidant
They're definitely on their way

Is there any way to publicly shame them?

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Rich wanna get richer. It's likely how they got rich.

He has nothing to do with VT, but there's this guy named Dan Snyder who has more money than a few countries, and he will do ANYTHING to make a buck off of a passionate fan base...

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

If these are selling on stub hub I feel like we also have to look at the prices the school is asking for the tickets. If people are going to pay $100s of dollars per seat to watch the game I'd much rather that be supporting the program directly than some donor who took advantage of wildly underpriced tickets.

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There's currently 24 total reserve tickets for sale on stub hub for Friday (9 separate listing). Chris is that concerned over 9 donors and drags the whole big donor base in the mud? Give me a break. Fortunately, those donors help pay the majority for EVERYBODY to enjoy the expansion of the stadium and enjoy it over and over again.

Is this just years of built of outrage over this 'system'? This method of choosing who has first dibs has been going on for years for nearly all sporting events. Has Chris Coleman finally had enough and is choosing to speak out? If only the season ticket holders who get an opportunity to buy SB tickets would choose to sell them at face. Nobody seems to have any beef when they buy up somebody's season ticket to a bum game for 20 cents on the dollar. You are enticed to donate more by being offered more perks. Can we just be excited we are in the super regionals in both Baseball/Softball? Nope....we have to go back to the pitchforks.

I want to go too a goddamn game to support the team and people buying up tickets at 86 per ticket and Turning around and selling them at 225 per ticket is BULLSHIT 😑

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Who heard it from a confidant
They're definitely on their way

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I totally understood the dark sarcasm here, and upvoted in kind.

But you backdoored your way into a great point here. The prices that these rich Hokie Club members are charging for these tickets are potentially going to cause someone else to have less money to be be able to donate to the Hokie Club later this year. In fact, wouldn't surprise me if anyone who paid $250 per ticket for this event decides that money has already gone to support Tech, so they'll just decrease their annual giving in kind and give the minimum they can to maintain standing (if at all).

There's a very good chance that this scalping and price gouging is taking future money away from Tech, and that's not great.

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Thank you for looking this up and sharing this with us.

Great way to put the outrage in perspective

drags the whole big donor base in the mud

Reads about big donor price gouging assault. Screams into the void, "Not all big donors!!!"

If you play it, they will win.

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How many 'big donors' does VT have out of the 20,000 or so HC donors? Is 9 a significant portion? If so, then good point. If not I think hokiebrian makes a good point. (I could not find a breakdown of donors in a 2 minute HC website search so I do not know the answer)

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Exactly!!!

The amount of people eligible to access tickets at 10:00 would have to be a pretty big number. Think all the nice seats in Lane.

Not a great argument. Just because there are a lot of seats, doesn't mean that those are individuals. Individuals at the top 3 levels can buy 12-16 tickets each.

That's true. I'll rephrase. "Think of all the nice blocks of seats (up to 16) in Lane.

Point is, the amount of people who have access is considerably higher than the 9 sets of reserve seats available.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Let's call it what it is: Scalping

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You can also search for super regional tickets on stubhub and sort by price. The two VT games are the 1st and 3rd least expensive tickets to purchase of 28 options at $41 & $54. In comparison, the cheapest tickets for a UNC or TENN game is $450. So, the VT Fanbase/Donors are essentially the LEAST greedy. Maybe Chris Coleman is reading this and can revise his tweet with a little context.

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It really sucked to see price gouging/scalping/whatever you want to call it and still see so many empty seats in the stadium on TV.

I understand listing a ticket for sale at a high price basically saying "I'll take this much money to not go" but to attempt to gouge on price and then not even use those tickets sucks. It makes the program look worse on TV when there's empty seats. It hurts the players, due to having fewer home fans and diminishing the home-crowd advantage playing at home brings. It's bad for recruiting, it's bad for TV, and it's bad for the players. I think the Hokie Club is devaluing their earning/recruiting potential by allowing it to continue.

What I think can be done to fix that is that the box office marks all tickets listed for resell AND if those tickets are not redeemed by the end of the 3rd (or some other time earlyish in the game) then those seats are immediately available at the box office for purchase in person. If an ear-marked seat sells after being re-released at the box office then the original purchaser is refunded their money.

This way it allows people to attempt to price gouge (which I don't agree with, but is technically their right) but if they over shoot the price then they get nothing and a real fan can go to the game instead.

There is a lot of comments that I'm not going to read, but hear me out ... What if these people were Hokies? I mean donating to VT doesn't make you a Hokie, right? Donating to Susan g Coleman doesn't make you breast cancer, donating to United way doesn't make you an eagle scout, donating to habitat to humanity doesn't make you a house, donating to the salvation army doesn't make you military so maybe, just maybe it's a conspiracy to get back at hokie fans for being awesome. Maybe a little jealousy. They donate towards VT so that we get close to winning and then make it so there are no fans making our teams sad and thus causing VT to lose.

If you play it, they will win.

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I told you to only eat half of the brownie dude...

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So you are telling me that our athletic dept (which there are several threads about on TKP) didn't have the foresight to limit tickets purchases to a playoff game in a sport where this hasn't occurred previously? Hopefully there's a good lessons learned for next year.

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I don't really care about this as long as the seats are filled. Also, being the "hottest ticket" in town is good for the program going forward. Maybe we can generate more revenue from baseball.

Any program that can generate revenue is great for all other athletic programs.

When I look up tickets on the secondary markets there appears to be general admission tickets for about $60. Does anyone know anything about these?

Somebody just offered up 4 GA tickets to Saturday's game on a reply to the latest Sonsofsatvt post on Instagram.

Looks like no available tickets to today's game left on stubhub. I'm fairly certain you can sell up till gametime so presumably that would mean all resale tickets (for today) were purchased? Hopefully English is packed today!