Give me a portal guy you want the Hokies to recruit.

Might be a little early until names come in, but let's hear em!

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This will be a lot easier to do once the first portal window opens up on Dec 5th. Right now it's a lot of speculation. There's a few early entrants so far, but not a huge list of names.

I don't think we're gonna go after a QB, and I don't think there'll be very many, but Hudson Card from Texas and Rourke from Ohio.

The rest we'll start to get a feel for next week. Need DBs, WRs, RBs, TEs primarily (lineman are hard to find so not expecting much there)

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Wouldn't be the first time we got a transfer QB from a Texas school. I'd take Card for sure, but you never know with these guys. Maybe he wants to stay in Texas, maybe he doesn't care about that at all. That's what makes it so difficult to speculate.

There's no way Card stays at Texas. He's a P5 caliber QB wood currently backing up Ewers with Manning coming in next year. There's no path for him to start in his remaining eligibility outside of injury.

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To clarify, when I said stay in Texas I meant at another school within the state of Texas, not stay at UT-Austin.

Oh, yeah 100% agree. I think he's for sure staying in the Big 12.

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I'm open to DE's, DT's, LBs, CBs, OLs, WRs. Also pretty much any 4/5* that wants to come here. We need a lot of dudes.

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As Chris said, we don't know who's in the portal yet, but here is my wish list (from another post):

  • 3+ OLs: 2+ who can start immediately, 1+ who can add depth
  • 2+ Receivers: 1+ who is a difference maker in the ACC, 1+ who can add solid depth
  • 2+ DLs: 1+ who can start immediately, 1+ who can add depth
  • 2+ LBs: Both immediate starters, prioritize system fit over raw talent
  • 3+ Secondary: Whatever we need to do to get guys playing in their correct positions; don't need all-americans; need guys who fit the system, and will enable Marve to play toward Delane & Strong's strengths.

I think of this as a 'stretch goal' - it's going to be (very) difficult, but it is doable

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We do have the guy from Nebraska that Pry brought in last year and then was injured. So that might count for one of the guys you want.

No, I considered that (as well as graduating seniors). Basically, I'm looking for two garbutt-level players on the starting D L. One of which would hopefully be Payne.

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This ponders a question that has been rolling around in my brain for a while now, has a player ever transferred away from a school and then back to it later on?

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Didn't Steston Bennett transfer away from Georgia and then back to Georgia?

Yessir he did. Walked on at UGA, went to Jones Community College, then back to UGA as a walk on again(?), then he was put on scholarship. He was in the same recruiting class (2017) as Tua lol.

wow he's 25 years old

Yep... wanna hear something even crazier? He's older than Tremaine Edmunds lol.

Forgot about that.

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I'd take Myles Slusher in a heartbeat. Some controversy surrounding his exit, but that kind of stuff is not uncommon with recruiting the portal. Another example is former JUCO CB Khyree Jackson who just entered the portal from Alabama. 6-3, great length, very physical corner who would almost certainly start for us. However, he entered the portal after getting suspended for some time the reason for which has not been made public. So our staff would likely vet that situation to find out more before choosing to pursue or not if he is also interested.

Plus he can stay in slusher tower as a closing argument

Under no conditions should staying in Slusher Tower ever be a condition of any agreement. Ever. Wouldn't wish that place on my worst enemies.

We need to be extremely active in the portal this off-season. Last year I'm not sure if that was by design or not, maybe the staff wanted to see what they had in this roster. But we can't afford another 2-4 win disaster of a season next year if this rebuild is going to be successful. We need to hit the portal hard and bring in some difference makers to pair with the rising stars we have on the roster and recruits coming in. I really feel getting to a bowl game is critical next year.

Liberty could have some folks portaling

Was just about to post this. I'll take some of their DL/DEs. They were solid and could certainly start for us. That slot back, too.

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I'll take some of their DL/DEs

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I'd take that WR Douglas in a heartbeat

Mansour Delane! most important recruit this year. Then build it up.

I wonder if they're doing any "proxy recruiting" like Riley at SC...

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Jim Pyne's nephew, was a composite 4* in the 2020 class, hasn't gotten any burn in chestnut hill. Big dude

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So he hasn't been able to work his way into the rotation of a worse OL than VT's? Does it really matter what his rating was in high school?

He's got 3 years of eligibility, is related to a VT legend, and is 6'7" 300 lb. It's at least worth the due diligence to look into whether or not he could be a useful addition to the roster here, regardless of what happened at BC, no?

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Not looking forward to this...

I mean... A lot can change in 3 years. But, given the SCar's trajectory compared to VT, and the SEC's trajectory compared to the ACC's, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Definitely an interesting conversation that could have it's own post.

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With the way the SEC goes, there's a good chance he'll either be hired to a better job or fired by then

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I'm all for the success of Shane and CBP, but pondering the 3-4 year flame out for both that leads to the right timing for Shane coming back Home to VT.

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Mertz appears to be headed to the portal according to ESPN. Doubt we would get him, but who knows. Maybe a Rudolph connection gets him in.

Um he's the last person I want. He'd be 5th in our QB room.

Trey Saunders. We in dire need of a reliable, durable top shelf RB.

Trey Sanders has had a wild go of it with injuries, one being a car wreck where he had to be airlifted to a hospital. I would love to see him have a big season next year wherever he goes, and if it's in Blacksburg even better.

Pretty wild seeing Jim Pyne's name pop up in the ND vs USC game last night. There's a lot of athletic talent in that family.

Grad transfer that played in only one game, the season ending loss to Syracuse. Has 2 years eligibility. Smart kid but probably not P5

Fair enough. The tough part of the portal is if I haven't seen a kid impress, I am flying blind.

Sure wish Abdul Carter got in the portal. Committed to Pry at Penn State and just put up a freshman All American season for the Nittany Lions this year. I loved his film. This team wins 2 more games this year if he is the WILL linebacker. One can dream, right?

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It's gotta be 3, no? 2020 covid year, 2021 redshirt, 2022 r-Freshman by my count.

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A running list of players in the portal:
https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/TransferPortal/

I have no idea how VT will do recruiting this portal, but it seems the teams that most outperformed their predicted record this year had a lot of success with the portal last offseason: USC, FSU, Ole Miss, Texas, UCLA, KU, GT.

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It's the quickest way to immediately add talent to the roster. It's not a sustainable way to have a talented roster (see Michigan State this year), but it's a great way to quickly improve. Let's hope Pry can take advantage this cycle!

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Wasn't most of USC's portal traffic just the players that came over from Oklahoma with Riley?

Large transfer class with a significant portion from OU, including QB and an impact WR. USC also had recruited well under Helton, although not to USC standards, so the existing roster was extremely talented.

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Only three per 247.

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Three out of twenty were from OU. Most were from some other PAC12 school. Some were backups from Alabama, Auburn, Ohio St., etc. They got an offensive lineman from UVA. And of course Addison from Pitt. Only two of the 20 were from a G5.

Lincoln Riley killed it in the portal last year, and it wasn't just players going with him from OU (although Caleb Williams was definitely the most important transferee). It's the reason why they're 11-1 and have a chance to make the playoff after going 4-8 last year.

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Ben Hoitink (OG, Princeton) fits the bill.

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Is Turd Ferguson in the portal?

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A dual threat QB would be nice, seeing Travis for FSU and Floridas QB go at it made me envious of those kind of guys. Amazing what a genuine talent at QB can do for a mediocre team even. if no QB a RB or WR with top speed would be nice.

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Jeff Sims from GT is in the portal. I don't get to watch much college football, but i wouldn't mind getting him.

We offered and recruited him when he was in high school -- i believe he was connected with Coach Smithey as a Jacksonville kid

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I mean his stats are as bad if not worse than Wells. He's got a worse arm and more mobility. I'm all for adding competition to the QB room but I'd hope out sights are to bring someone in that's a sure fire improvement.

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Having watched a lot of GT football, I don't think Sims would be a huge upgrade. More mobile than Wells, lesser arm.

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Yeah, another new starter at QB for VT for like the billionth year in a row is just the ticket for success...

Just ask the Redskins/WFT/Commanders how well it's worked

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Continuity is only a clear positive when a) the players you have work well together b) the players you have show signs of beginning to work well together c) the other options on the table are worse.

If we can improve the ceiling of the QB room, we absolutely should. If Pry himself says it's a possibility, it's because his conclusions about the roster are about the same as the rest of ours -- not good enough. He even has a better idea of how things stand than we do by virtue of being around practice, film sessions, etc.

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If we can improve the ceiling of the QB room, we absolutely should

IMO it depends how much better the incoming QB is. Looking at this list, everyone other than Hudson Card feels like a marginal improvement at best. That said, most of these guys would definitely be an improvement over Jason Brown.

Additionally, there's also the opportunity cost of taking a QB instead of another position of need. Here's my list of positions that are more important than QB.

Really, we should take any skill player that is a homerun threat on offense, regardless of if it's a wide receiver, running back, Tight End, or QB.

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I would take McNamara from Michigan in a hearbeat. Immediate starter.
Altmeyer from Old Miss would be a solid pickup and challenge to start.
Card would start immediately.
I would also give Hornsby from Arkansas a chance because the dude can FLY. If we are struggling to get the passing game going, which we def are, and we can't recruit some better receivers, someone like this would immediately improve our running game.

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  • Agree with Card - instant starter.
  • Haven't watched Hornsby, but I'm intrigued if he's that fast.
  • Hard disagree with McNamara - never thought he was a great QB.
  • Agree Altmeyer might be able to challenge Wells, but, as I said above, I'd rather get an OL, DL, WR, LB, CB, or Safety over someone who can just 'challenge' Wells.

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Hornsby is not a great passer, but I can cosign that he is that actually "that" fast.

Yeah, and I would take Patrick Mahomes in a heartbeat too.

The point is VT is not close right now. The best thing VT can do now is develop some sort of continuity now, not go dumpster diving for everyone's new wishful thinking, arguably better QB as though VT will suddenly become a top 15 team.

I get the Pry says nothing's off limits, but come on folks...don't you recognize coach-speak BS by now?

It's real football, not fantasy football. If anything, Pry has to know that starting over with another starter at QB - particularly when he has the option of not having to do so - is not good for the program or his career.

you legitimately think the best possible thing for Pry to do is run it back with the roster of a 3 win team? That's surprisingly optimistic coming from someone who is usually so negative.

Continuity for continuity's sake is stupid. Continuity because you believe you're legitimately onto something makes sense.

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Maybe I misinterpreted Marc's post, but I think he's right. I don't think Pry's going to run it back with a 3-win team, but (based on his presser) I do think he's equally open to (if not more interested in) players who are 3-year development projects instead of players who can be all-ACC players immediately.

I go back and forth on if this is a good strategy or not. I think it's fine for defense. But offense... man we need help.

Anyways, I don't think any of the star QBs in the portal are going to be interested in being part of a multi-year project where everyone around them has to develop.

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Kinda how I took it too and if you've logged into VT twitter at all the past 3 days there are actually parts of our fanbase that seemingly want a roster of 87 mid level QBs so I don't think he's off the mark here. I doubt we bring in a QB and I'm fine with that. We have a lot higher level needs than a QB right now.

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Really well put - yea, I don't feel the need to bring in any more mid level QBs (unless some in the QB room transfers out).

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i understand that this is a rebuild and that it will take some time and that development is key. I think very few people around here had lower expectations than mine for the 22 season and were pushing a longer-term view in the middle of all the losses than i was.

having said that

we'd all feel much better about this team if a few plays went our way and we wound up squeaking out GT and NCST. We'd all feel much better about this team if we didn't lose to ODU.

I am not blaming those losses on Wells personally -- but for all the talk of "marginal improvement", we did see firsthand how fine the margins were between winning and losing.

I am willing to see if marginal improvement by Wells can be the improvement we need at the QB spot. And we do need improvement -- too many passes were lasered when they needed touch, too many wide open receivers were ignored or not seen -- but chances are Wells will be more comfortable with another year.... but does that mean his ceiling for the 2024 season is as high as some of these other guys? I don't know. I just want to get better. I'm not convinced that the majority of the guys on this roster can get us to a top-15 finish, but also i'm under no illusions that bringing in someone else's retread is going to solve all of our problems instantly (like marc implied) ... there's nuance and neither new personnel nor extended continuity guarantee us anything.

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chances are Wells will be more comfortable with another year.... but does that mean his ceiling for the 2024 season is as high as some of these other guys? I don't know

I was pretty underwhelmed by a lot this year, especially this offense and Wells, but I think his ceiling is as high as most guys VT would be able to get from the portal. Given the number of teams out there in need of a QB and VT's general standing in the pecking order of the CFB world, it seems more likely we'll end up bringing in an AJ Bush or Ryan Willis level transfer than a Hendon Hooker (sigh) or Caleb Williams-level transfer.

So I think unless Pry and co have something special lined up, our QB next year will have a similar skill set and ceiling as Grant Wells. Which can be fine, if enough positive changes happen around them.

Good post - I see what you're saying. I guess I just think the rest of the (offensive) roster and scheme was so bad this past season, that I'm not sure any QB short of a Heisman contender could improve it.

I'm not convinced that the majority of the guys on this roster can get us to a top-15 finish

A top 15 finish... in the rankings? No, we're not getting a top 15 team for a while.

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i just said top-15 because marc used that as a representation of the people he was arguing against even though nobody said it.

we need to be better in all areas on offense. is it a matter of a rising tide lifting all boats and that adding playmakers at the skill positions and contributors on the line drastically improve the QB play? is it a matter of one guy dragging the rest of the supporting cast alongside him? we have talked about how it's better to have a recruiting class with a .88 average that is brought up by having a few .94-.97 players vs having a recruiting class that is .88 average but tops out at players graded .90

ideally, it's not an either/or in this rebuild. raise the floor, raise the ceiling. But if I had to choose how to realistically go about that, it looks a lot like the first class focuses on getting in big strong fast players out of high school that you can coach up and supplementing that with highly talented players from the portal that raise the ceiling immediately if possible.

IMO, if Pry & Bowen think that (e.g. Christian Veilleux) offers us something that the current QB room can't offer, then it's silly not to try and bring him in.

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Yea, I'm with you

if Pry & Bowen think that (e.g. Christian Veilleux) offers us something that the current QB room can't offer, then it's silly not to try and bring him in.

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So that's an interesting question. How much better would our same team do just with more experience. We lost some games based on penalties and sloppy play. We've cleaned up the penalties, and I would say, some of the (really) sloppy play we had to start the season. Do we win a couple of those early games if we play them again? I would think so.

P Mahomes. LOL. We are just discoursing about available QBs. You can't honestly stand on the argument that Continuity would be greater than recruiting a better player?
The point, of THIS particular argument, is not actually that "VT is not close right now". The point, as previously mentioned, is to discuss current transfer portal QBs.
Also, when Pry says "Nothing is off limits", how is that coach speak? He has been quite direct and forthcoming about deficiencies, including QB. Ours this year wasn't good. Lots of reasons for that beyond Wells play as a stand alone measure, but the point remains. Wells wasn't great. Upgrading at QB would not be "Off limits".

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I would put Altmeyer ahead of Card. Card has more experience, but Altmeyer has higher upside. Cade is a marginal upgrade over Wells, but what would really matter if we got him would be better play around him which then just stick with Wells. I think Altmeyer ends up at Tennessee to replace Hooker.

I agree we shouldn't go after an older QB unless it's a clear upgrade. There are so many other positions we need that could help Wells be successful. However, transfer portal QBs are the most fun to talk about, and the ones most of us have the best knowledge of, so let's keep talking about them.

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Opportunity cost aint steep at all this offseason though

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I have no idea why people think this is a certain prescription for failure when a JUCO transfer was the best thing we had in the last 8 years and was able to start at a high level immediately when Fuente took over

Jerod came into a ready-made situation - Talent and Depth at WR & OL, as well as a top 10 defense.

No transfer/JuCo QB is going to come into that situation this year at Virginia Tech. Which is why I believe it's a better strategy to focus on the surrounding parts.

Additionally, all of the QBs in the portal (so far) are (at best) marginally better than Wells. The G5 players all have similar stats to Wells at Marshall. The P5 QBs all have pretty significant limitations (I'll take Wells' arm over McNamara). Card is the one QB I'd be interested in, but he'll have a lot of options.

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I don't have any names in particular, but I think we need a big, bruising RB that can handle a 20 carry per game workload. Somebody in the mold of Cedric Humes or Darren Evans would be nice. We've needed a back like that for a while, but I'd also take a Khilil Herbert clone. We need a back like that to take some pressure off the QB. My No. 2 need would be O-line. RB and O-line depth would be a big help to get us in the direction where we want to be, at least until we can figure out the QB and offensive identity situation.

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WR's Marcus Fleming and JJ Evans for starters. weakest position group on our roster. Also a DT like Travis Geiger would be nice and do-able. I'd raid the Auburn roster hard in general. A lot of talent with coaching turnover

Dameion George, an OT/OG from North Shore HS (Dematrius Davis HS), who we recruited out of HS, entered the portal from Bama. He's an absolute mammoth, listed at 6-6, 333lbs on the Tide roster. He started some games for Bama last year but was passed by a younger 5* this season for the RT job. Not sure what his best spot is, but have to imagine he would start somewhere for us.

Not sure he would be interested or not, as is always the case with these things, but he does have some familiarity with VT, even if he was being recruited by the previous staff.

could you imagine if this staff pulled in from the portal all the same texas kids the previous staff couldn't land out of high school?

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it would only be cool if we won with them too

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2021 starting Michigan QB Cade McNamara has entered the portal as a grad transfer.

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two years of eligibility

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That's the upgrade thats worth bringing into a qb room

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Gotta love how they aren't even trying to hide the tampering with the portal closed until the 5th.

Edit: not hiding how much they want to help this guy get his masters degree.

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He's a grad transfer

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Luke Altmyer QB out of Ole Miss has entered the portal.

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So in terms QBs we're waiting to enter the portal it's Hudson Card from Texas, Rourke from Ohio, backup from LSU, Haynes King from TAMU, Mertz from Wisconsin, Liberty QBs, Auburn QBs, Criswell from UNC, DJU from Clemson.

Outside of Rourke, I don't know G5/FCS guys who would be moving up to P5.

Edit: these aren't QBs that VT is targeting/should target, it's just a watch list of QBs in the portal

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Criswell was supposedly pushing the UNC QB competition in a legitimate fashion. Given how great Drake Maye has been, that (potentially) reflects well on Criswell.

DJU overrated. Hype. Not that good. Especially not that good when all of the best players on the field are on his side. That won't be the case here.

DJU is decent... he's a bust by 5-star standards, but better than most FBS QBs.

all of the best players on the field are on his side.

Also, he doesn't have a lot of help on offense. He has Jordan Shipley. That OL is at best underdeveloped, at worst terribly scouted. His receivers are above average in the ACC. The defense is pretty damn good.

All that said, I don't think he'd improve VT that much, just because - IMO - qb is not close to being our biggest problem.

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I have watched him this season be flat awful and benched in fact. If that's better than most FBS QB's there is a QB problem in FBS. I'll leave it at that. If he played the same exact way at Wake, nobody would mention this kids name.

Agreed. Don't want him. Unless he wants to play tight end

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If that's better than most FBS QB's there is a QB problem in FBS.

This is my belief. IMO There's about 10 FBS QBs who could elevate any team, 10-20 FbS QBs that could elevate most teams, about 50 QBs that are basically interchangeable, and the rest are bad.

I think Wells, DJU, Sean Clifford, Spencer Rattler, are in that 'middle 50' - that is to say they are basically interchangeable (all things equal).

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I think DJU has two issues: One is mechanical with his inconsistent accuracy. He oscillates between spot on, beautiful throws, and wild misses pretty regularly. The second is something mental. When he starts out poorly, or things shift poorly, he struggles to recover. When he starts out hot, he tends to stay hot or only regresses to neutral. Definitely seems like a confidence player. The opposite of this would be like a Bryce Young or Tyrod, who never seemed to show too much emotion in either direction, and always seemed to be completely unfazed by any and all adversity.

I would be interested to see him back on the West Coast, in a less archaic offense (Feels crazy to call Clemson's once cutting edge offense archaic, but it's really fallen behind the times over the last decade), with significantly LESS PRESSURE. I think the elevated expectations at Clemson are probably factoring into the mental side. After seeing what Washington did with Michael Penix this past season, I am curious if they could offer DJU a similar refresh and boost.

I would be interested to see him back on the West Coast, in a less archaic offense... ...with significantly LESS PRESSURE. I think the elevated expectations at Clemson are probably factoring into the mental side. After seeing what Washington did with Michael Penix this past season, I am curious if they could offer DJU a similar refresh and boost.

Totally agree. In another universe, I think DJU could have similar career arch to DTR - I know they different types of QBs, but purely from a growth perspective, they were both highly touted players who are decent, but never lived up to their hype. DTR, however, was coached by one of the best schemers in the sport. DJU (to your point) was put in an offense that relied on out-talenting other teams, but without the talent, and with a first time play caller. In hindsight, it's not hyperbolic to say he was set up for failure (by Clemson standards)

Feels crazy to call Clemson's once cutting edge offense archaic, but it's really fallen behind the times over the last decade

Preachhh... The Chad Morris offenses in the Sammy Watkins days were some of my favorite offenses of all time. I've never seen wide receivers block that well, and I've never seen an offense that throws screen after screen actually be fun to watch. Clemson used to be Wide-Receiver-U, and then it just... evaporated...

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The first few years of that offense completely re-wrote the Clemson and ACC record books. That first season (2011) was the most excited I had ever seen Clemson fans about their program in my entire lifetime until they won a title, of course.

Rattler when he's playing his even B+ game has insane arm talent, it's just too bad he's a shit head

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We can certainly dream, but his handlers will keep him in the coveted SEC. More NIL, better draft position on league name only.

We need WR's, one of my top choices is App State receiver Dalton Stroman. Dude is a monster, 6'4, fast, elite ball skills and had a great year this season as a freshman. Also he's a Stroman

As an App grad and lifelong Hokie, I don't think he even gives us a look. It kills me to say it, but App had their worst team in 15 years, and they would throttle us.

He also got more TV exposure at App with multiple ESPN games than he would get by playing on RSN/ESPN+/untelevised for the Hokies.

Which brings me to a larger point of concern: we desperately need to upgrade our talent via the portal. But, I'm afraid we suck so bad that we need to adjust our expectations as far as the type of player we can realistically entice to Blacksburg

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I mean, isn't that kind of the point of the portal? How many elite teams don't have elite receivers sitting in the bench waiting their turn? So you look for a program with a step up in competition to go prove yourself. Or make an impact right away. The question is, how many players are we away from being a solid team? And how many more away from being a good team, then a great team. I mean, give me one or two more receivers, one or two OLine, and a little defensive depth and I think we're close to a solid team. Keeping King healthy helps.

Um.....this seems like something we might have a shot at

https://247sports.com/player/christian-veilleux-46056576/

Looks like pitt

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I'm getting the impression, and hope the hell not that Pry is being a "gentleman" regarding Penn State. I hope I'm wrong. I hope this is not a Frank Beamer quality he is emmulating. Its a different time and a cut throat business. Franklin will 100% lie to get one of Pry's VT recruits. Take the gloves off coach. Go after PSU guys like they come after ours the past 25 years. F James Franklin.

I hope so too. I don't think that's the case if the players are in the portal. They are obviously intending to leave PSU, idk what a "gentleman's approach" would do in that case.

I also don't think that we should just blanket go after any PSU player just due to the connection. gotta remember familiarity cuts both ways -- sometimes the "insider" insight might be that Pry (Bowen, Galt) know they don't want someone

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Wait DJ Harvey transferred out?! Damnit, felt like he had great potential.

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He is a 3rd year player who was 3rd string at the end of the season and had been passed up by younger guys. Not sure the actuals matched up with the potential everyone thought they saw there.

Harvey was a 2nd year guy, he's a RS freshman. He was in the 2021 class

My bad. The point remains though. He got passed up by younger guys.

This is a great post. Thanks for sharing. Worth noting that of the three transfers we've offered, one is from PA, one from VA, and the third is from Texas.

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Another God's Gift? How big are his hands?

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

Not tampering since USFs coach was let go.

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Thomas Gore out of Georgia State is a DL prospect. He has 22 career TFLs, 11 sacks and is a top-10 interior DL in PFF grading this year.

Hopefully ties with Glenn would help get some inroads if they are looking there.

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We're almost 24 hours in and no coaches or support staff for VT are following him on Twitter, me thinks this isn't an option.

Just want to point out that graphic says "Pathers" instead of "Panthers."

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I think Bullock is going to leave, so this is the type of QB we should go after. Longer term development rather than a challenger to Wells next year. Battle between him & Wells in 2024 or him and Farrell in 2025. If he takes the job from Wells next year (or if Farrell does) then they earned it, but don't go for a Jeff Sims just to battle Wells next year and then not be any better.

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I concur with this assessment. We need to surround wells with some talent and develop the receivers we have as well as have better route running concepts.

We didn't do a good job of getting the receivers open. I'm thinking that was on the scheme and also on Mines coaching the route running. Guys like Christian Moss and Lofton have the talent and showed some snippets.

If we keep changing QBs every year, we're going to continue having the same issues. Also, our O-Line needs some good amount of improvement. From the transfer Portal I'd be looking for O-Line and WR

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I think Well's performance would improve with an improved O-line.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Yeah, we for sure need some skill talent at WR like one or two guys and Thomas to be healthy in the backfield, but the biggest factor in offensive improvement is on the O-Line. This offense needs to be able to run the ball, and we were poor run blocking. If that improves everything starts to improve.

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Agree, the TSL Podcast earlier in the week was about roster management and they mentioned that perhaps part of the reason that Wells missed wide open receivers is bc they hadn't been getting open regularly so he didn't really trust them to get open. So when he's on the move due to pressure he just finds the closest guy to throw the ball to.

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He's also conditioned to check down and take quick "safe" passes since he hasn't had time to let a play develop and look downfield often.

Yup. Will be interesting to see how he progresses in season two assuming the pass protection gets better. I'm not sure if we'll bring in a new QB with longevity to compete. Will be interesting to hear about Bullock or Ferrel this spring too.

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And year-long healthy running backs. When the defense knows you have to pass, it is pretty hard to be consistently successful.

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Alabama WR's Christian Leary and Traeshon Holden have entered the transfer portal. Both have played in actual games. Holden had 331 yards and 6 TD's for Bama this year. Both had been passed or were steadily losing snaps to freshmen as the year progressed, though Holden scored a TD in the Iron Bowl.

I'd happily take one or both.

I'd take any and all Portal travelers from programs like Bama. Problem is, I think guys from those types of programs are also looking for more NIL offers to go along with instant playing time. We have the latter but not the former.

Holden being followed by JC Price

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Forgot about this... now I fear I have gotten my hopes up too much.

Lets be honest, there are few players in the portal that I wouldn't be willing to take right now given the way our roster looks. Very real possibility that we're talking about levels at which we improve by bringing transfers in rather than whether or not a kid is a target.

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Well if any one wanted to pick up Jon Kitna's son, it might be a while, but its probably safe to say he's done at UF.

Yeah, the only place he's transferring is the DOC

This guy can be deadly as long as he stays upright. Let's bring him in.

DL, DL and more DL. I want Pry and the boys to bring in 3-4 DLs that can be in the rotation next year. 2 DTs and 1 DE. Sense we are dreaming.

Yeah we could never have enough but I do think between Givens, Madison and Law - someone will emerge into the 2-deep. I do think Pollard will go to the NFL. Kendricks and Fuga will probably start

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Anyone else surprised by the lack of VT players to enter the portal? Pry had his roster management discussions this week an only DJ Harvey has declared portaling out. I was expecting a significant number of exits this week.

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It's sort of a technicality that I don't fully understand yet, but I think underclassmen can't actually enter the portal properly until Dec 5th. Grad transfers can enter whenever.

Yea, I guess I meant declare to enter the portal via twitter. But I guess if they can't enter, maybe they're considering their options and waiting until the Dec. 5th date to make any declaration. Good point.

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I'm surprised, but the portal isn't officially open yet and Pry could be saving the "I'm not sure you'll get playing time" conversations for today. It will definitely be interesting to see what happens when the portal opens after this weekend's games.

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  1. I think it takes time to have those meetings and reach decisions - Pry said families will be involved, so you have to plan around work schedules and stuff to get the parents on. One player's decision to stay/go/quit football may impact that of another player. I'm guessing the players in the portal so far have known for a while that they wanted to leave their current program.
  2. Some kids might have entered their names in the transfer portal but it may not be getting coverage (because if they're not making the VT 2-deep, they're probably not that good)
  3. There's a new rule (used heavily by Lincoln Riley last year) saying kids can be cut, but we can continue to pay their scholarship. They just aren't part of the team. It's kinda like a severance package - "thank you for your service, we don't want you to play football any more, but since we're dicking you over, we want to allow you to remain a student at Virginia Tech, free of charge."

Edit: I bet Chris is right.

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In his presser, Pry mentioned having meetings scheduled all week, ending today as he and his staff will alter their focus onto recruiting tomorrow.

But it's also interesting that only one VT player has declared, which I guess means that many players are believing in Pry, or alternatively, believing VT is their best shot to stay on a P5 roster and would rather do that than get playing time. Idk.

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I think this is a real concern. As I said previously, you only have so many Bryce Goodner types willing to step down and go to a smaller school in their home state.

We have a roster full of guys that's didn't have the best P5 offers anyway, then weren't developed by the last staff. They may just prefer to ride the bench at VT at this point and get a VT degree, enjoy Blacksburg, etc

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It's worth noting that portal entries for the hokies are likely to start en masse on monday.

Not a lot of Grad Transfers on this roster because we dont have a lot of people with 3+ years in the program because most of them already transferred. Not sure the story on DJ Harvey, think he was inly here for two years and likely isn't a grad transfer

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Watch the most VT thing ever unfold. All this talk of portal, difficult conversations, roster turnover. Then basically no one from the current roster leaves and we don't venture into the portal. Then in the spring "We really like this team and where we're at going into Spring practice."

this is my fear.

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My fear as well. Would be a brutal indictment of Pry.

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It would be a damning indictment of this staff. The next 15ish months (putting us through signing day for the 24 class) are the bellweather for the future of the program. Whiffing entirely on the portal with a bad roster in THE offseason of unprecedented player movement would be so bad i dont even know how to describe it

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god I could see this happening.

Because here at VT, we invent the future stand pat at the worst possible time

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well, he said 33+ meetings so it will take some time. Also right now only the players who's coach has left/fired can enter. The rest will enter on Dec 5th. Harvey posted on his own Social Media.

Also, FCS players can enter now

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This one...for the memes.

I have a hard time recalling any QB who took as much of a statistical nosedive as Armstrong between last year and this year (2021 rating 156.4 -> 2022 rating 109.4) - and yes it was a bigger drop than Wells, I checked (139.0 -> 117.5).

I guess he really missed that lineman as a throw target.

Between the line to block for him and throw to, and getting a new "offensive guru" as a head coach, he definitely felt a significant impact this year. He lost like his entire starting line I think after last season including the guy at Michigan who is like an awards finalist.

Syracuse gonna be straight fire next year

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Hear me out but Dacoldest Crawford is a pretty solid WR that entered the portal from Nebraska and could be a day 1 starter for us and immediately push our squad forward on the all name squad

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But is the coldest to eva do it?

Probably end up at Auburn with Hugh Freeze

uva - the taint of the ACC

Need to get him a HVAC NIL deal.

He already had a AC repair deal in Lincoln

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He had 5 catches for 100+ on us. Would love this but he'll have a lot of interest from the big dogs.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Should I still be interested in any Wisconsin O-line guys who might know Rudolph's system and could help kickstart it here?

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Hard pass. After watching the hissy fits he threw all game against us, I have zero desire to have someone with such poor leadership qualities leading this team

Committed to Pitt -- probably trying to capture that Kenny Pickett magic

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It's getting weird already. Two starting ACC QB's in the portal (Armstrong and Jurkovec), with potential for more ACC starting QB's to enter the portal as well.

Both are the fault of their coaching. Elliot destroyed Armstrong this year I'm not sure how, and Hafley let Jurkovec get eaten alive game after game with that line. Leary, Cunningham, and DJU I could also see leaving their situations

Yeah I could see Leary going pro or leaving. Cunningham, DJU, etc. all transfer options for sure. Tyler Van Dyke could transfer from Miami. Someone (Auburn) might try to poach Riley Leonard.

TVD announced yesterday maybe he was staying although I don't think he should

Leary is a first or second round pick, he's gone. I'm shocked Jurkovec isn't going pro, his stock is down but that's all on the OLine. TVD should be going pro, but if not it's because he needs to raise his stock back up which means he needs to leave CristoBall. I think Cunningham goes pro and I would be shocked if DJU isn't in the portal sometime this month.

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Lot of smoke that Leary is going to Notre Dame

I would be shocked if DJU isn't in the portal sometime this month.

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Shit. Get the feeling this one will hurt us.

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Now he and CB97HFChode Pat can get in shouting matches on the sidelines

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Michigan's Cade McNamara apparently going to Iowa.

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well... that was a nice though for a few days while it lasted. But why Iowa?

Because Corn. It has the juice.

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one click shows Wagoneer's been around TKP for 7 years. Sheesh. Everyone take a nap, have a snickers or something.

We tried Corn for five years, the only Juice it had was of the Herbert variety.

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

I'm not sure what they possibly sold him on but I'd make a call and ask. If you can sell a good qb to go play for that Iowa offense its not much more to sell them to play in this VT offense

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They win, and everyone will automatically love him because he's not Spencer Petras

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Speculating, but possibly NIL?

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Drew Pyne hitting the portal. Was starting due to injuries to the starter.

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why, after a season like this, would a QB leave?

Hard to tell, may not jive with the offense. Maybe he think Buchner comes right back and gets the starting role

Because he's not going to stay the starter when QB1 is healthy next season

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I could see a lot of reasons, his stock is up so maybe get some NIL money (I can see ND alum being all this is ND, the prestige is enough, money isn't needed). He knows he can start and why leave the possibility of not playing on the table when there are 30+ schools that are P5 that need a guy.

Call it the Joe Burrow plan, backup at Ohio State, 1st overall pick out of LSU. Just needed the chance to shine.

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Wow. TIL that Drew Pyne's uncle is Hokie great Jim Pyne.

Any chance here? Anyone know if he even looked at us in his initial recruitment? Could be a program changer. Typically when a high profile qb transfers others; especially wrs, follow.

Anyone know if he even looked at us in his initial recruitment?

We offered but were very busy putting all our eggs for the 2020 class in Dematrius Davis's basket

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I'd pump the brakes on calling him a program changer

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Devin Leary expected to enter portal. I'd be all over that.

Absolutely. I know he had a rocky year but im surprised he isnt going pro. I guess if he can improve his draft stock significantly then it makes sense, but he wasnt a risk of going undrafted

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He's going to look for a legit competitor my guess is a ND like or a team where their QB declares for the draft early.

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Rodney McGraw DE Penn State

Kaleb Smith. :-(

Rara dillworth is transferring from UNC -- a little smallish as a linebacker but he is fast fast. 2 years of eligibility left and has not yet redshirted.

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He's 200lbs and not big enough to play LB and too slow to play safety.

Cant get his weight up, or wont? Could be a sub-package option?

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Dont'e Thornton - 6'5" 200lb WR who was with Oregon. He was a top 100 recruit in the 2021 class from Baltimore and originally committed to Penn State before ultimately heading out west. Maybe our proximity to home and the PSU connection would be enough to give us a shot?

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Can we get camron Kelly to come back to the good guys and give us 800% effort?

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DJU just entered the portal.

We put the K in Kwality

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Andrew Ivins from 247Sports is saying we (and Indiana) have interest in former GT QB Jeff Simms

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Hopefully not at qb

I'd love to see what this kid can do behind a semi decent OL

Then he should not come here lmao

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Agreed -- we were in for him out of HS, right?

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Yes we were. Final 3 IIRC. Definite take.

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I want Rudolph type guys- because well, he is our OL coach. I want iso blockers, man blockers and nasty dudes. Is this guy one of those?

Yes. Go look at his HS film

Rudolph type guys you say?

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Bring it... and 5 more like him!

8-10 more if you can find them lol

Committed to Coach Prime

Another p5 starter at qb

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Yes, and from an offense that knows the forward pass, quick read and moving the ball down field is not a root canal. These are the guys we need more of. Someone that has seen first downs as not impossible.

This is someone who would be much better than a 'marginal' upgrade of wells. Going to be interesting to see where he goes.

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On the surface I just dont get it - multi-year, and successful, starter that is taking his last year of playing eligibility elsewhere???

Any chance we snag an OC from the portal?

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Kaleb Smith....have to hope the staff can sway him back in. Otherwise you have to pursue the top 5 receivers and hope for 1 or 2.

Tough sell unless we upgrade the QB room though

How long before Prime has Colorado in the CFP picture? 2 years? 3?

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I don't think owning the SWAC is the same as being a P5 caliber coach. He hasn't run or been around an elite program, so I don't think he knows how to run one. P5 level also need good schemes, and I don't know who his coordinators are yet, so, there are still a lot of unknowns.

He will have elite players though. Will that be enough? If not, will he be able to get the right coordinators and staff around him to take Colorado to run an elite football program?

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Miami has proven year after year that elite players don't mean squat unless you've got the brains in the booth to back them up. How many 5* have they wasted since joining the ACC because their coaching staff is inept or can't put the puzzle pieces together?

Yep, I think Prime will find out that in a P5 system, loading talent won't mean automatic wins like in the SWAC. He's gonna have to prove he can coach too (and all the other stuff that comes along with running a P5 program)

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I mean getting a proven head coach as an OC is certainly going to help him figure it out quick

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what part of head coaching a mediocre Kent State is like running an elite P5 program? And his offenses weren't elite at Syracuse or Kent St, at least for an elite P5 level program. He is young, and my be an up-and-coming though...

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And good coaching doesn't mean much when you're trying to compete at the highest level with a significant talent deficit. Any example that can be pointed to is an outlier -- for every Boise St over OU, App St over Michigan, etc there are a dozen 70-3 blowouts.

Xs and Os vs Jimmies and Joes is a weird argument to have within the CFB landscape because a successful team obviously has a synergy of the two

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Deion's tenure at Colorado is going to go one of two ways. He will take them to the promised land or he will flame out spectacularly with sanctions incoming. And I couldn't begin to tell you which way it will go. That 'Coach Prime' video of him telling the current players to pack their bags makes me DAMN glad he is nowhere near Blacksburg.

The 3rd and mostly thing to happen is Colorado improves and he jumps to a larger program with more cash. He plays the media well. His ego is built for this and he will go to the place that makes him look the best.

I have family that played football at Colorado and still tailgate at all home games. They just want to win some games but are not thrilled about Deion.

I am not enjoying the state of football in general. The portal and NIL helps give players some power but frankly it does not improve the product on the field. In the pros you now have attention whores like OBJ who want to be recruited. Can't stand it.

I am not enjoying the state of football in general. The portal and NIL helps give players some power but frankly it does not improve the product on the field. In the pros you now have attention whores like OBJ who want to be recruited. Can't stand it.

PREACH. Football as a whole isn't as fun to watch as it used to be, for a variety of reasons. I'm smart enough to know that player safety is (and should be) a valid reason for why this is, but the rules favor offense too much nowadays. And I say that as an avowed fan of Video Game Offenses(TM). It's too easy. Feels cheaply won. No fun in that. Too much finesse, not enough power.

The NFL is a superior product to college football right now, because despite the best efforts of the Browns, Lions, and Jets, the playing field is more level by definition. I didn't feel that way 15 or even 10 years ago. But still, there might be 10 likable players in the whole entire league, and that's a liberal estimate.

College ball...I just don't care what happens outside of VT. I wasn't always like that. I thought at first that I had changed, but the game has changed too. It's become too much about money, and I don't mean paying players. I mean the gonzo arms race, blink-and-you're-behind, if-you-stop-growing-you-might-as-well-be-dead state of affairs we're in.

It's fucked, guys. It is.

I'm not destitute, but I don't have money to spare for VT athletics. That shouldn't disqualify me from anything, and yet there exists this mindset that because I don't donate I'm not entitled to complain. That's the most ludicrous crap I've ever heard, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Football should be a sport for all.

If we don't have a place at the table, it's not even worth it for me to be in the room.

Apologies for verbally vomiting like this, but these feelings have been building up for years.

It's a bummer man. When's our next basketball games?

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Same, but something tells me I'd be having more fun if we were winning like Bama or Clemson. In general I feel a bit of cognitive dissonance between the nostalgia I feel attending games as a student and school spirit, and the cynicism I feel towards the off the field nature of the sport and the things you point out. Logically I think a sort of minor league for football makes way more sense then the current system, but emotionally I still want VT football.

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I've fallen victim to this mindset as well.

Came to the realization maybe 5 or so years ago that VT would never really compete in football at an elite level anymore. It has its pros and cons. I no longer care so much about outcomes, especially since we are never really in a position to accomplish much by October. I'm sure that would change if we ever found ourselves undefeated entering November, but I think expectations would still be tempered knowing we would still never make the playoff.

I watch and tailgate due to the emotional attachment to the school, but it is almost more enjoyable going to or watching games just hoping we are competitive and not necessarily worried about winning. Don't get me wrong though, winning is more fun and I hope we get back to 8-10 win seasons.

Most of my eggs are now invested in Basketball where attending games are much more convenient, you get to know players because most stay 3-4 years, and the path to a championship actually seems attainable.

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I am not enjoying the state of football in general. The portal and NIL helps give players some power but frankly it does not improve the product on the field. In the pros you now have attention whores like OBJ who want to be recruited. Can't stand it.

The slaughterhouse and sausage factory used to be in an unmarked building, out of sight, and out of mind. Consumers had no idea how their ground beef was processed; they just just enjoyed the final product. Now, hundreds of documentaries and news clippings (combined with application from social media) inform consumers about the entire process, and as a result consumers can't plead ignorance anymore.

College football is no different. Players have always picked schools for money. Players have always had outsized egos. Coaches have always shamed players who got the last guy fired, pushing them out as soon as possible. The only difference now is that fans can't plead ignorance anymore.

There's still a lot to enjoy about the sport, even if your team will never sniff the playoff. Off the top of my head:

  • TCU's weekly fourth quarter comebacks were amazing to watch (especially if you gamble). Max Dougan is amazing.
  • Deion brought attention to HBCUs for football reasons. For non-football stuff, check out some of the stuff he did for the water crisis in Jackson. Also, Jackson State has their first latino drum major, and he is fucking amazing. If you are at all interested in marching band culture within HBCU football programs, you need to research this guy, because he's insanely talented.
  • The B12 and the Sunbelt proved to be insanely deep and amazing conferences to watch.
  • We got to see Utah ruin the season of one of the bluest-blooded-bluebloods in the sport's history.
  • We saw a mediocre SEC team (South Carolina) prevent 2 traditional powers from making the playoff (Tennessee and Clemson).
  • We got to see the Backyard Brawl again this year. And it was an amazing game.
  • What's happening at Tulane this year is amazing. If you know anything about history of Tulane's program history, you get how amazing this is.

EDIT: After rereading this, my repeated use of the word 'amazing' makes me cringe - but the point stands; I really think this has been the most interesting college football season since 2007. If you're not here for it, that's fine, but don't blame it on NIL or TV contracts or whatever. There's so much awesomeness out there that you're not seeing or not paying attention to. I didn't even mention Troy's turnaround, Oregon State's Offense, the complete 180 the Michigan/OSU rival has taken, the Michael Pennix redemption story, the super weird season LSU is having, 2-loss Bama... Man, I just think this season has just been so much fun.

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Watching Texas A&M burn was/is...amazing. Money can't buy that.

I'm pretty sure you they had to spent a lot of money to do that so, some one does need money to buy that

What Deion does at Colorado in the next couple years I think is going to be the ultimate test of the "New Era" of College Football.

Flashy Coach full of Media hype. Bring in tons of NIL money and buy as many players as you can. Constant Roster Turnover, trying to purge the Program of players who aren't seen as good enough.

I especially loved the part where it was noted that Colorado was going to ease their Transfer Credit process to make it easier for Coach Prime to bring in more players.

My fear is if this is successful, it is a model that many schools are going to follow going forward and continue to make College Football less and less enjoyable.

At some point, everyone needs to take a step back and realize that 98% of these Athletes are never going to play professionally and Football will not be a source of Income for them. Once the NIL money dries up, they are on their own, with a Degree in whatever major from whichever University they ended up at last...maybe.

I'm trying desperately not to be the guy banging the "Student Athlete" drum (because that has always been partial fallacy), but we've gotten to the point where that isn't even a consideration anymore.

I hate the video of a new coach coming in and telling players to pack their bags. I have no problem being clear with them that they will all have to compete for their positions and playing time, but telling a group of 18-22 y/o that they aren't good enough and you are going to use NIL money to buy better players than them is kind of stomach turning to me.

Maybe I am the Grumpy Old Man at this point, but I hate the direction of College Football at this point. I hope Coach Prime is a spectacular failure at CU if for no other reason than it may deter other Programs from going "all in" on using NIL as a blatant Pay for Play scheme and continuing the spiral into unregulated Minor League Football.

My bad.. its sad so many players are going to be without a better situation when the portal madness stops

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I gave you a leg, because you obviously went back and edited.

Funny enough, I believe that NIL is good precisely because 98% of these athletes will go pro in something other than sports. Give them some pay while they still provide value.

I'd also push back on the notion that academics are no longer considered because I don't think they really were considered at all past the 80s. Just lip service.

I agree that the direction of the sport is troubling and not without serious issues, I just see the primary issue being the giant vacuum of control that the NCAA has vacated.

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It would be interesting to see the breakdown of who is getting NIL and how much, but I'm guessing the 2% that are going pro are probably getting over 50% of the NIL dollars. But it definitely seems true that the at least some that 98% are getting some NIL that would never eould have been available without NIL.

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t would be interesting to see the breakdown of who is getting NIL and how much, but I'm guessing the 2% that are going pro are probably getting over 50% of the NIL dollars.

One of the 'issues' that is impacting the perception of NIL is that it's basically a black box. There's no reliable info on how contracts are structured, who's making what, etc.

Based on what little I've seen reported, and what I've read on random blogs/message boards, I'm guessing that the top 25 or so players in the sport are getting 7 figures, top 300 players are getting 6 figures, and the next 1000ish players are getting 5 figures, and everyone else is getting <$10k.

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Yea, that's true. When you think about the players in national commercial campaigns, they are making significant cash that are probably in the 7 figures. Thus, it's more likely that the top 25 players are probably making over 90% of the NIL dollars.

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Yep...that is exactly my thought as well.

The players that are getting the vast majority of the NIL money are mostly the players that have NFL prospects already.

For every Bryce Young in Dr Pepper and Nissan commercials there are hundreds of guys getting $500 bucks from some local business.

I'm not saying that is necessarily a bad thing for them, but that is not life-changing money. And the backside of that is that now they have to worry about coaches luring in guys with more NIL $$ in the Offseason to effectively replace them.

So they are left with the choice to either leave and try to play somewhere else or stay at their current college and not play a game they love.

What if that player is truly a Student Athlete and is happy at his school and is comfortable and settled in the Academic Program there???

I just don't see how the NIL Process (as currently implemented) is a net positive for the majority of college players.

I agree that the lions share of NIL funds goes to the already NFL-bound players (with exceptions), but those are also the players who are lured to transfer by NIL. I don't think Eli Adams is leaving because we're buying a better player and a majority of FBS transfers are similar situations. Only 40% of portal entries last year found a home anyways.

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And the backside of that is that now they have to worry about coaches luring in guys with more NIL $$ in the Offseason to effectively replace them.

So they are left with the choice to either leave and try to play somewhere else or stay at their current college and not play a game they love.

IMO this is a transfer portal issue, NOT an NIL issue.

BUT I would argue this is better than the alternative? Prior to the transfer portal, coaches would try to push you out by making your existence so miserable that you would quit or go to JUCO. Leaving you on the scout team, constantly changing your position, not giving you practice snaps, etc. Now, coaches will have honest conversations with players, present options, and present the players with a (at times, admittedly difficult) choice.

There's no passive aggressive mind games (cough, Gary Patterson, cough), no making a player's life miserable in hopes of him quitting. Now it's all on the table, and it can be a civilized (even if tense) discussion.

I just don't see how the NIL Process (as currently implemented) is a net positive for the majority of college players.

I would argue NIL drastically improves quality of life for almost everyone.

  • An extra $500/month in Blacksburg is pretty substantial. That pays for your weekends. That pays for fixing a broken laptop. Maybe an extra flight/trip home each year if you live far away. It's not life changing for someone on scholarship + stipend, but it's noticeable.
  • Compliance is DRASTICALLY simplified. No more worrying about getting set up for signing autographs or getting cream cheese with your bagel or starting a youtube channel.
  • If you are an aspiring entrepreneur or marketer, you have an easy way to get experience on your resume or test something out in a risk free environment.

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It's definitely cool to see Mutts and Kitley/Amoore get podcasts. And although I'm guessing it doesn't bring in drastic dollars, it does get something on their resume in addition to "I played basketball for 20+ years of my life."

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Probably not a ton of money but I could see it gives an opportunity for it. I admittedly know little how NIL works but my level perception has been that sponsors can pay an athlete for their NIL at whatever rate they want, they just can't give out cash without something in return. So, if I wanted effectively pay Amoore $5000 to stay at VT, I couldn't just give her $5000 but I could pay for an advertisement on her podcast at well above the market rate. Is this correct?

I think Mutts has made around $40k off the TSL posters he signed, maybe more.

Possibly, but I don't think directly. The podcast is provided by Sons of Saturday (I'm guessing that's an LLC, but idk). So, it would have to be through SoS to make that payment. I guess I could see it being utilized as an indirect NIL collective, but idk.

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The NCAA gave everyone what they asked for. Now everyone is wanting them to set regulations on NIL. I feel like the NCAA can tell everyone to get fucked and just drop a lot of their bullshit rules to let chaos reign. We asked for it, well we got it.

I've never really been against players making cash for their likeness but at this point it is just turning in another form of exploitation. Maybe our last strength coach's whole idea was to make instagram models. They would be making mad cash.

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I think you'll continue to see coaches all across the spectrum. Also, Deion was a celebrity before going into coaching. He was inducted into both the NFL and College Football hall of fames (or is it halls of fame?) in 2011. He's been on broadcast TV. And beyond that he's a lightening bolt. There's not many people in the world who have both a personality and career like Deion - Shaq, Charles Barkley, Peyton Manning... How many pro athletes have the name recognition that Deion does 20 years after they retire.

TL;DR - there likely won't be another Deion in our lifetimes.

Bring in tons of NIL money and buy as many players as you can. Constant Roster Turnover, trying to purge the Program of players who aren't seen as good enough.

I don't think constant roster turnover will be common. In the first year or two of a new coach? Yes. Will some lower level programs try to brand themselves as a stepping stone? I think some will. Will coaches 'cut' the bottom 10% of their roster every year? I think some will. But I don't think this will every approach professional free agency (until it becomes actually professionalized, which I'll hit on below).

Also, don't forget that there is A LOT of 'roster bloat' due to the COVID eligibility year. It will take at least 3 years to cycle through the majority of players who have an extra year of eligibility. Once those players get cycled out, I believe that transfer portal activity will decrease.

At some point, everyone needs to take a step back and realize that 98% of these Athletes are never going to play professionally and Football will not be a source of Income for them. Once the NIL money dries up, they are on their own, with a Degree in whatever major from whichever University they ended up at last...maybe.

Something I've been thinking about lately... There are 116 professional soccer teams in the UK (premier league down to national league), each with 25 players making (at the lowest level) ยฃ1,000/week (about $60k USD). The UK has about a fifth of the population of the US. So, you can make a comparison of the top 5 levels of English soccer to NFL + CFB in the US.

All I'm saying is that we could create a system where college sports are professionalized, and players make a livable wage (and have tuition reimbursement at the university associated with the team), and we wouldn't have to pretend that these guys are students first and foremost.

I hate the video of a new coach coming in and telling players to pack their bags. I have no problem being clear with them that they will all have to compete for their positions and playing time, but telling a group of 18-22 y/o that they aren't good enough and you are going to use NIL money to buy better players than them is kind of stomach turning to me.

It's been this way. It's a common trope that the first thing a new coach will say when he meets the team is "y'all are the motherfuckers who got the guy fired. I won't let you do that to me." The only difference is that Deion put it on camera. As I explained here, NIL, Social Media, and the link really aren't changing the way things have been done. It's removing the blinders so everyone can see.

Pay for play has always been a thing. Do you think Tyrod's family bought him that escalade with spinners? Do you think David Wilson bought his pimped out car with his tips he got working at waffle house? Come on man, get your head out of the sand.

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Couldnt agree more on him being no where near blacksburg, to me though the conversation he had wasnt what I had an issue with it was the fact that they put that video and clips all over social media is whats fucked up to me. That should be a closed door no cameras thing but the fact hes using those kids lowest moment of their career to brag(I guess?) or toot his horn that his luggage is coming with him and hes naming his son starting QB to me was a bit low and classless but maybe I'm the old crotchety man now who knows.

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He somehow managed to turn a P5 football program into a 15u AAU/travel team in about 60 seconds.

"Here's my son, he's your new QB1, PG, short stop, etc etc"

He will still have to go through USC, Oregon, and even Washington on their good years. He's Mel Tucker part 2, win 9 games and bolt

I'm not convinced he's even that good of a coach

Colorado has had one winning season since 2005. Even in the transfer portal era, it would take Nick Saban himself 3 years to rebuild that team.. to a winning program. Deion has his work cut out for him. Is he a grinder? Is he a worker? The bottom line is that a grand total of ONE truly great college player - Steve Spurrier- has turned out to be a great college head coach - truly great- the past 60 years. Typically great players don't make great coaches in college football. I'm guessing Deion - best case scenario- gets them competitive- 6-8 wins in 3 or 4 years and bounces once he realizes how hard it is to win at this level.

The bottom line is that a grand total of ONE truly great college player - Steve Spurrier- has turned out to be a great college head coach - truly great- the past 60 years.

This got me thinking and it's pretty fascinating because I think you're mostly right, which seems kinda weird. Jim Harbaugh finished 3rd in Heisman voting and is definitely a good coach, not sure about great. Pat Fitzgerald was a helluva college player (back-to-back Nagurski Awards and B10 DPOY) and he's done more with less at Northwestern but also don't know that you can call him a "truly great" college head coach. Maybe Mike Gundy? 8000 yards and 54 tudders as a qb at OkSU. Again, not sure he's "truly great" either but those are the only 3 I could come up with that you'd even consider close.

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Was about to say, I'll give two names I do NOT want from the Portal. Him and Cam'ron Kelly

If the staff can get him in early and work with him I'll take him in a heartbeat

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Agreed. Want. If he and Kelly want to come to VT, get coached up in Pry's scheme and stick it to UNC/Bly, come on!

Powder blue softness is a disease and those two might be terminally infected. Attitude problems have been evident in both. Def don't want to encroach on Delane Strong or Johnson's playing time with someone who doesn't fit the culture

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This is the wrong answer. Toxic attitudes create toxic environments and everyone suffers. Not saying Grimes is because once he chose unc I didn't keep up with him at all. Cam'ron on the other hand has been through schools like dirty underwear. Hard pass on him.

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I would 100% take him. I would Take Him Right Off their squad.

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

one click shows Wagoneer's been around TKP for 7 years. Sheesh. Everyone take a nap, have a snickers or something.

If this staff vets him, and feels that he can be a culture fit, then take him. If there's one thing I trust Pry on, it's that he's not going to bring in a locker room cancer - he talked about his method for vetting players on TTL recently. He checks with high school coaches, college coaches, guys on the team who played with the guy in high school, etc. If grimes is interested in VT (big IF), and former coaches speak well of him, and kids on our team green light it, then it's all good.

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He's a very average college CB and nothing more. Having said that, he is going to go to a "bigger" program than VT. If he gets an SEC offer, that's where he is going. That's his motivation.

Ole Mac sure knows how to recruit them and do nothing with them.

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Give me a coach that does nothing with our players to the tune of 9 wins and the coastal vs. Giving up 400 rushing yards to Pitt and keeping it real.

If we had that many 4 and 5 star players and won the coastal once in 4 years, have finished 4th, 4th and 5th in the Coastal with classes in the top 20 then watched a top QB pick go from 4 star top 3 recruit to drafted in the 5th round and your wins are 7, 8, 6 and 9 in the worst division of college football you would not be ok. You would complain as much about that as you do now.

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You are probably right about that. Fair

Helluva recruiter that Dre Bly! UNC is and always will be a paper Tiger

I agree, but if they're a paper tiger what are we? A paper flamingo?

Yeah what's worse than a paper Tiger. That's what we are

Bring him home.

And another 757 blue chip recruit

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This year's portal fest has me saying now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time alot. This is a guy I wouldn't mind going for

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This year's Portal: ghosts of Fuente's Recruiting Past.

A lot of VA kids hitting the portal from out of state schools it feels.

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lol probably because none of them have chosen in state schools these last 5 years... pain

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Mostly a special teams player... certainly not the Lavar Arrington/LT that most predicted though.

Maybe I'm crazy but I wouldn't mind a VA recruits portal reunion back at VT

Wouldn't mind it one bit

'i never should have gone out of state to begin with, i thought the grass was greener and it wasn't. I overlooked VT out of high school but it was the right place for me all along and im forever grateful for Coach Pry for giving me the opportunity to make things right"

times 10 lol

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Now we're on to something

With the new blue check mark pay for play I'm not sure how accurate the rumors are but anyone seen anything about Maye testing the waters and leaving UNcheat?

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the twitter accounts that are sharing that are all <300 followers so I think it's fake

Lots of completely unconfirmed rumors about big schools offering him millions. From his own mouth he has said he isn't leaving recently. However, we know things can change rapidly.

I'm hoping for the Sam Howell trajectory- unreal to meh. Although I haven't looked up how may more times we will see him with the new schedule

Maye will go pro after next season. Even if he has a worse year next year, the difference in size profile between he and Howell will almost guarantee him to be an NFL draft pick. If he has another year similar to this one, he will be a very high draft pick.

I thought he has to wait 2 more years?

He's a redshirt freshman, so next year will be his 3rd year in college.

Love QB competition, but this is not an upgrade over Wells.

Counter point is that he played ok in his 4 starts as a true freshman, redshirted, and now has 4 years if eligibility to develop. Doesn't need to be a clear upgrade on Wells right now, just an Upgrade on Dylan Wittke (possibly allowing Wittke to change positions as has been kicked around) and/or Bullock (who i will be surprised if he doesn't transfer)

Imo, if McCown joins us, it's better to view him contextually as an addition to the incoming '23 recruiting class than as an addition to start right away

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Good point, and agree- would prefer this much more than a grad transfer. I hear Pry likes Farrell- issue is that he is 5'10 in heels. We need some folks in that room for sure

Seems like a 'raise the floor' pick up. Probably not better than Wells. Definitely better than Jason Brown. I'm okay with it.

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underwhelming, but it is also going to be hard to bring in a legit QB with the offense we put on the field last year.

Here's the part that bothers me
"The eastern Texas recruit came to CU with no other 'Power 5' offers" and 247 lists an offer from VT with a recruited by Brad Cornelson note.
Actually I guess it doesn't bother me, seems about right now that I think about it

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Staring to see guys report VT offers

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That would be a hard pass from me sometimes the player is more of the reason they're in the portal every offseason

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This is a classic example of these HS like Mater Dei, IMG, etc inflating some players abilities then having them crash when they get to college. Dude was never a 5* talent

Guess he played with Amon Ra St.Brown in HS, that probably helped lol.

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Good that he's hyped up but unfortunately doesn't really matter how good the defense is if the offense doesn't drastically improve

VT has a morsel of good news about a talented young player on their roster

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Yeah man I don't want to get caught up in false hope again. I would love to see a path to having success under Pry, but what is the path to even being a better team next year?

I need to see real evidence to believe rather than just "oh yeah we're gonna be better".

I'll give you a leg back for stating the obvious. Need the offense to improve.

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IMO the offense doesn't need to 'drastically' improve - we were SP+ put us 39th in defense and 125th on offense. Get defense to top 35 and offense to 75th, and we're a top 50 team. Maybe 125th --> 75th is 'drastic'. Either way, that will be fine for year 2.

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125th is baaaaad man, especially for P5 it's horrendous.

Our offensive roster wasn't thaaat bad either, the starting linemen had been way more productive last year. Receiver was not great but not 125th bad. We need a ton of talent on the O line, at receiver and a substantial upgrade at QB to be where we can expect to contend for anything, like Delane suggests we will here.

125th is baaaaad man, especially for P5 it's horrendous.

I wholeheartedly agree. I'm just saying we're not going from 125th to 50th in one offseason (IMO). Getting inside the top 75-100 would be a good accomplishment, and I think it's doable with an improved OL, slightly better better receivers, and better coaching/scheming.

We need a ton of talent on the O line, at receiver and a substantial upgrade at QB to be where we can expect to contend for anything

Yea, I'm not expected to contend for anything (in a divisionless ACC) for another 2 seasons.

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So looking at the offers we've currently put out, there's an emphasis on WR and defense. Also, so far, most seem to be to G5 players, with a few P5 players that were 3 star recruits (there's a couple of 4s). Still early, more offers will go out as the hours go by, but just stating some observations and if there's anything to take from it

this is a big question of: are we just going for players we think will fit and we think we can realistically haul in?? Because you'd think(hope) that these coaches would be going after higher profile players. We need to drastically improve our talent, IMO, and going for G5 players and a few 3* P5 scraps doesn't seem like the way to do that.

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A lot of G5 portal guys are people leaving because they're good enough for the step up to P5. There's even more of this going on recently because of the inability to evaluate players in person during the pandemic which led to a lot of players being misevaluated.

Our current roster is G5 quality anyways

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A standout at a lower tier program can and often is better than a flameout at a higher-profile program. A 5-star who never saw the field has a high probability of just having been misevaluated, whereas the G5 star has actually shown the ability on the field.

this makes more sense. The Portal is a tricky venture, to say the least. I hope these coaches know what they're doing. I'm glad I don't have to compete with 3 hands tied behind my back. (shit ACC TV deal, shit Nike deal, utter lack of top shelf NIL deals) VT is going to be a really hard place to win at. We have the culture, and to an extent, the facilities, but the lack of funds is going to be tough to contend with.

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Well regardless of what actually ends up happening, I think this is a good litmus test for how well our coaching staff can recruit. We've heard for awhile about how high school recruiting will lag for 2-3 years because it takes a lot of time to build relationships and you have to basically start recruiting a great player in early high school. The nice thing about portal season is that we are essentially (other than having a winning program) on even footing now with other schools and all that longstanding relationship stuff doesn't hurt us as badly now.

I'm thinking if our coaches can't land at least 2-3 guys who earn starting roles next year from the portal, they'll have received a failing grade for portal season performance. I'm sure relationships still play a part and dudes are more likely to go to schools/coaches that heavily recruited them in high school, but we still have a good shot.

I think it needs to be much higher than 2-3 starters.

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

That would be nice (which is why I said "at least") but I'm also just basing that on experience with past VT portal success. 2020 was our best year in the portal and landed us 3 starters and not much else.

Gotcha. I guess I feel like it needs to a minimum of 6-7. I won't set my expectations that high though

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

I'm going to use this benign supportive post from an Alum to recklessly speculate that VT is about to bring a loaded 5 star transfer class.

12-0 next year confirmed.

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He's a founding partner of Triumph NIL, so it's not far-fetched that he has an idea of what's going on behind the scenes.

I'm here for the memes, I just stay for the football.

Oh, I wasn't doubting him him a bit

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Gator transfers:

https://247sports.com/Player/Kamar-Wilcoxson-46047571/high-school-201512/ - was recruited by Penn State in 2020. Might have some discipline issues. Former 4*

https://247sports.com/Player/Yousef-Mugharbil-46081678/high-school-231685/ - interior OL recruited by both VT and Penn State. Never appeared in a game for the Gators. A former four-star prospect who ranked among the top-300 players in the 2021 class on the 247Sports Composite.

https://247sports.com/Player/Donovan-Mc-Millon-46097647/ - safety recruited by both VT and Penn State. McMillon received a reasonable amount of reps throughout the 2022 season in reserve role at safety. The sophomore from McMurray, Pennsylvania, saw action in all 12 of the Gators' regular-season contests and was a fixture on special teams.

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Chief-Borders-123660/RecruitInterests/ - recruited by VT. A former four-star prospect, Borders joined the Gators prior to the 2021 season, choosing the program after reportedly fielding offers from Arkansas, Auburn, Florida State and Georgia, among others. Borders participated in four games as a true freshman in 2021 before redshirting. He appeared in all 12 of the Gators' regular season games in 2022, though the vast majority of his reps came on special teams.

The Rest:

https://247sports.com/Player/Jordan-Miller-46050691/high-school-210318/ - Was considering UVA at one point. Interior lineman.

https://247sports.com/Player/Damarius-McGhee-46083223/high-school-233714/ - Corner that was recruited by VT.

https://247sports.com/Player/Corbin-Page-46099935/high-school-248779/ - I kinda remember this name. TE that was heavily recruited by VT.

https://247sports.com/Player/Saint-McLeod-46078843/high-school-227922/ - From Philly, Penn State looked at him. Safety.

https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Hazel-94443/ - Maryland transfer WR that we recruited.

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jaheim-Bell-116355/RecruitInterests/ - TE transfer that both Penn State and VT looked at.

And commits to pitt, where he is from

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Jordan Miller to SMU and Jaheim Bell to FSU

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Pry needs to get on this guy ASAP. Rocket for an arm. Is more than worth it to ruin his relationship with Franklin.....

Yah surprised Chad hasn't landed a starting gig yet; really put on for his Penn state try out

Get in my belly?

This is a fantastic tweet. I needed that chuckle this afternoon.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Pro: He can take lots of hits and his brain won't get rattled.

Con: gaurenteed to throw an interception while running the 2 minute drill before halftime.

I thought I'd provide a quick tracker of transfer portal offers. See below:
Wyoming DE Oluwaseyi Omotosho (12/6/22); 6'2", 205
Western Michigan DE Andre Carter (12/6/22); 6'4", 230
Eastern Washington WR Freddie Roberson (12/6/22) (OVs to VT, 2 Arizona State, Fresno State); 6'2", 180
California LB/DE Orin Patu (12/6/22); 6'4", 200
Kent State WR Dante Cephas (12/6/22); 6'1", 175
Coastal Carolina DE Josaiah Stewart (12/6/22); 6'2", 235
Wake Forest CB Gavin Holmes (12/5/22); 5'11", 178
Rutgers DE Shawn Collins (12/5/22); 6'5", 245
Minnesota DL Gage Keys (12/5/22); 6'5", 280
Louisville DE Caleb Banks (12/5/22); 6'6", 255
Kent State CB Montre Miller (12/5/22); 5'10", 168
Texas A&M DE Elijah Jeudy (12/5/22); 6'3", 295
Cincinnati CB Ja'Quan Sheppard (12/5/22); 6'2", 190
*ODU WR Ali Jennings (12/4/22); 6'2", 186
USF WR Jimmy Horn Jr (12/1/22) (VT did not make top 4); 5'9", 170
Austin Peay WR Drae McCray (11/30/22); 5'10", 170
Norfolk State WR Da'Quan Felton (11/26/22); 6'3", 200
Texas A&M-Commerce WR Andrew Armstrong (OVs to Arkansas, Missouri) (11/22/22); 6'3", 180
Duquesne WR Abdul Janneh (OVs to VT, UCF) (11/21/22); 6'3, 180
Vanderbilt, DL Elijah McAllister (12/9/22); 6'6", 265

I've gotten a ton of updates that are too hard to keep track of on my Bleacher Report mobile app. I'll try to keep this up to date.

Edit: original list was a copy/paste from this link, a lot of the names that came up on my BR app were included in the link above, so I used it as a starting point, and then hyperlinked the 247 URL's for each player and brief height/weight stats

Edit: * means "Got'Em" (link of commitment on asterik)

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Thanks for the reminder, definitely should've gave credit for the list of players, a majority of them that came across my feed were an easy copy/paste from the link above, will be sure to cite.

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We haven't offered a QB from the portal yet.

Wrong thread.

Miss State's 2nd leading rusher: "Since I am not very tough, and Leach is glad I am leaving, I will be entering my name into the transfer portal"

Shots fired

Can he bring Forbes with him, package deal?

Damn he just letting it hang out there

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seems kinda...petty

Onward and upward

Tis Festivus time again. Now for the airing of grievances.

Wonder if this was one of the guys sitting behind a shade tree, eating a fish sandwich & drinking a lemonade with his fat little girlfriend???

That's aged poorly.

Old sigline: I've been cutting back on the drinking.

New Sigline: lol it's football season.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Guess that spot on the basketball team didn't work out for him

Both VT and Penn State made offers originally too.

Told ya he loves basketball schools - Kentucky

So I take it its a big weekend in VT portal and recruiting. 4* LB Kavion Keys (formally UNC recruit) is visiting this weekend and 4*QB Kyron Drones (formally Baylor) is being visited by VT staff. 3* WR Ali Jennings (formally ODU) is visting this weekend as well. Any others?

Kyron Drones started following Kaleb Smith and Da'wain Lofton on Insta today. Drones coming and Smith coming back !?!?!

*breathes into paper bag*

As well as Dante Lovett and Jalyn Ballein

Vroom Vroom

Could be that Drones is doing his due diligence, and he reaching out to one WR still on the team and one WR leaving the team to get multiple opinions on the situation.

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Does staff or current player have connections to Drones?

Wait, what?

THEY DO NOW!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Could also go to Auburn. Would probably do well in Hugh Freeze's offense from what I have seen.

It is funny, because he made a post last year about how he "pissed teal". Still, he needs to do what is best for him.

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I'm no doctor but he might want to have that looked at.

he made a post last year about how he "pissed teal"

Pretty sure that is what George III suffered from

about how he "pissed teal".

This is why you don't hook up with ECU girls

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

Probably wants a better QB throwing to him with Leary leaving.
Would be a big get at a position of need... but I would imagine a lot of schools will be targeting him.

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I thought I saw somewhere Brennan Armstrong was going to NC State?

With them hiring Anae as OC, the thought was he would reunite with Armstrong, but Armstrong is looking at Wisky and OK State.

McCall from Coastal is an option for State and so is Jeff Sims.

Their freshman was looking pretty good last year, I don't think they need a starter from the portal, just depth.

WVU

Lets recruit highly rated, current starters at blueblood schools just to throw everyone off

John Campbell from Miami

It was pointed out in the recruiting thread, but Jahad Carter from Syracuse is in the portal now. Not sure if he's someone the staff will look at.

There's a lot of talk/frustration about why we haven't pulled any OL out of the portal. The first 5 seconds of this clip hit on the fact that Offensive Linemen are tough to find in the portal:

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That's the tough uphill battle for OL in the portal to me. You can identify them, but so can everyone else now if the kid is looking for an upgrade. Really has to be great connection to get a pretty good starter to come.

And I know the Duke reference will come. I see that as an outlier for now on a lower level team.

And I know the Duke reference will come. I see that as an outlier for now on a lower level team.

Well they've done it two years in a row now. Signed THREE offensive linemen from the portal. So getting less and less likely that it's a fluke. If Duke can sign em so can we. And if they can start for Duke next year, they can can start for us. I don't buy that we can't even get ONE

I hinted at this below, but I don't think we're targeting the same type of player as duke.

I think it's quite reasonable to be upset with our OL performance in 2022. I also think it's frustrating that we haven't picked up anyone in the portal (yet), but (a) we have another transfer window in 4-5 months, (b) I don't think Duke is a fair comparison, and (c) I'm not convinced what duke is doing is sustainable - time will tell.

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And I know the Duke reference will come. I see that as an outlier for now on a lower level team

Here's a list of OL that duke has landed in the portal since Elko took over (per 247);

Player Previous School Transfer Rating First year of elgibility First Season at Duke
Brian Foley Holy Cross 0.8000 2017 2022
Carson Van Lynn Pitt 0.8438 2017 2022
Kade Parmelly Abalien Christian Not Rated 2017 2022
Ben Hoitink Princeton Not Rated 2019 2023
Jake Hornibrook Stanford 0.8688 2019 2023

A few takeaways:

  • Duke is clearly targeting players who want to be at a smaller, academic institutions. Good strategy from Elko IMO
  • The players that Duke landed last cycle all have limited limited eligibility - If I count right, all three that played last year have exhausted their 6th year of elgibility (4 years + 1 redshirt year + 1 covid year) so I don't think they'll return. It will be interesting to see if Elko can keep this up.
  • Duke doesn't exactly have a ton of competition for these guys (Hornibrook being the exception). None are highly rated. 3 came from FCS. Carson Van Lynn couldn't land a starting job at Pitt, and (based on some googling) was left off depth charts for a lot of the games in 2021.

Duke is some combination of good at scouting and finding (both scheme and culture) fit, good at coaching, and lucky. It will be interesting to see if they can keep this up.

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That you for digging more into those stats.

I was thinking on the Duke institution and the chance at a degree there, and well as what Rudolph seems to want as a scheme fit that our model is probably different.

That may assist them, and I can't disagree that Duke has been doing good at finding their guys. Time will tell as always how the different strategies play out.

I believe what you are saying is that UVA has master using academics as an excuse for poor recruiting, while Duke is using academics as a vehicle to get graduate students who want a good education because turning pro is not looking like an option.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Is there a deadline for transfers? I would assume not, other than they want to be enrolled at their new school by the start of spring semester to guarantee their scholarship. But that is really just a guess/assumption.

I think if you want to participate in Spring Ball you need to be enrolled in the Spring Semester. However, some transfers who may graduate in May from their current school may not enroll in their new school until Summer Session.

I know I've read that some guys will enter the portal once spring semester starts. That way their scholarship is still honored and they'll transfer in the summer.

From ESPN.

The first window opens the day after the championship teams are selected, which will be Dec. 5, and closes 45 days later on Jan. 18, 2023. There is also a 15-day spring period from May 1-15.

Jeff Sims (qb, gt) committed to Nebraska

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From Louisiana Tech for those following at home. Also has offers from Marshall and Cal.

Tony Grimes off the board to A&M

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If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

Long term it's going to be interesting to see where he (and his dad) end up.

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Seems appropriate. UNC and TA&M are pretty much the same institution in college football right now, except overall better players at TA&M and more money wasted on that program. Lots of sizzle without much substance to back it up. That's not to say those two programs are in a better place than VT is right now, because they are, but they both are about getting major talent and underachieving for the talent they acquire.

And I'm guessing VT's NLI proposal was significantly dwarfed by A&M's. And I can never fault a guy for seeking their value.

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Well that is something.

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Expected landing spot is known by the time he enters the portal?

On an unrelated note, it's a good thing that tampering isn't endemic.

It was also a surprise to me when Drones committed so fast and didn't take visits to any other schools. It's also interesting that Bowen went out to visit him immediately hiting the portal and that he was immediately VT's number 1 choice for QB. Makes one believe in love at first sight.

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Pry talked about this in one of his pressers. Said that they have someone looking for potential portal entrants - basically a high rated recruit who was flanked by higher rated recruits (eg a younger and an older one), and they had a list of players they thought would/could enter the portal.

But also, I'm not that naive.

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It's actually one of the things that makes me more confident in Pry's ability to recruit and have an overall strategy. Maybe it's just because we aren't afraid to talk about it but we never got any sort of inclination that's this type of roster or landscape assessment was happening with the previous regime.

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If you were thinking about leaving you're job you'd rather have another one lined up before you made it official, right? We're probably going to have to accept "legal tampering" a la the NFL/NBA.

Aka the shadowy world of Proxy Recruiting!

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Tampering sounds like a pro term. Is there any such thing as tampering in college athletics? I don't think there is.

tamponing

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Are you kidding?

Technically, HokieRick is correct.

Tampering suggests that someone is under contract with one organization, but another organization is trying to convince that player to break the existing contract. However, most coaches only give collegiate athletes scholarships last a year (although it is possible to give multi-year scholarships, it is very uncommon), so if a player is convinced to transfer, they will not be breaking a contract. Thus, it can only be called 'tampering' if the athlete has a multi-year scholarship that he is trying to end early.

That said, when someone uses the word 'tampering' in a college sports context, in a post-transfer-portal world, I think we all understand what is going on.

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So by your own definition, if the scholarship runs from Jan-Dec - one year- and a school contacts them within that period, it's tampering. Yes, I agree. To use the technicality that a scholarship - which is binding, BTW- is not "multi year" is irrelevant if the player is contacted while on scholarship- per your definition.

By his definition, if the contract is a one year contract, at any time during that year you are free to talk to them about the next year. It would only be tampering if you were trying to get them to leave prior to the contact terms (Prior to end of december in your example)

That was exactly what I was suggesting.

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From an NCAA document:

Existing recruiting rules prohibit communication and contact with a student-athlete enrolled at another NCAA school prior to the student-athlete appearing in the NCAA Transfer Portal. These rules also prohibit the indirect use of third parties contacting individuals on the student-athlete's behalf (e.g., family member, scholastic or no scholastic coach, advisor). Certain violations of these rules can constitute a significant breach of conduct as it relates to the NCAA infractions process. A student-athlete's eligibility can be jeopardized at the school that engaged in impermissible communication.

If they're enrolled, it's tampering. Doesn't matter if they're on scholarship or not.

The indirect use of third parties is the part that makes it difficult, if not impossible to prove. It's in the rules, but it has no teeth.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

But Hokie Rick's point was that it's not the definition of tampering. This is "impermissible communication" - it's not tampering because they aren't professionals and they aren't signed to multi year contracts.

Is this a technicality? Yes, but as I said in my previous comment:

when someone uses the word 'tampering' in a college sports context, in a post-transfer-portal world, I think we all understand what is going on.

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what definition requires that an individual be a "professional" or "signed to multi-year contracts"? Standard definition of tampering would cover "impermissible communication" within it. Legal definition is unrelated to contract law and instead is related to court procedure.

Merriam Webster: to carry on underhand or improper negotiations (as by bribery)

Black's Law: 1. Law. Improper or illegal alteration with evidence or documents, meddling with a witness.

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The NFL's definition specifically mentions the employer-employee relationship (source):

The term tampering, as used within the National Football League, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer-employee relationship of another club or any attempt by a club to impermissibly induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL.

The "employer-employee relationship" implies some level of professionalism. The multi-year contract comment I made was a lazy and imprecise way of saying that it's not tampering if the player is a 'free agent'. However, due to the short length of scholarships, a player is effectively a free agent after each season.

Again - we're splitting hairs here - but there's a reason why NCAA doesn't use the term 'tampering': it's so they can maintain the guise of amateurism. When people say something to the effect of 'it's not tampering if it's college sports', it's typically meant to be a shot at the NCAA and the bullshit model of amateurism.

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Exactly. He's an amateur. A student who also plays a sport. If the head of a department at Harvard or an Ivy League school called you up one day saying "I love your paper will you come study with us" is that "tampering". "Impermissible contact"? You're an amateur chemist/lawyer/physicist/physician/football player until someone is paying you under a contract to do so professionally, and it's ludicrous that the NCAA would try and restrict a student from moving from one school to the other. Either they are an amateur or they aren't. There can't be this gray area they are trying to endorce. Either they are due workers comp and benefits, disability, etc. as an employee or they aren't.

If the head of a department at Harvard or an Ivy League school called you up one day saying "I love your paper will you come study with us" is that "tampering". "Impermissible contact"? You're an amateur

This wouldn't be impermissible contact if you were a faculty member, or even the Dean of another Ivy League. There is nothing that restricts such contact.

It wouldn't be tampering unless the negotiations were improper. I don't know of any general inter-University contract related to restricting conversation or employment to a particular University. If such contract exists, then it would be tampering, but it has nothing to do with professionalism or amateurism.

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The term tampering, as used within the National Football League,

This is the key phrase. Of course the NFL definition fits the NFL paradigm and not the NCAA paradigm. The term tampering, however, has a general meaning too. And the general meaning of tampering fits precisely with the term as used by the OP. And the spirit of the tampering meaning for NFL is the same.

It's a weird "splitting of hairs" when it's not really different. And amateurism has nothing to do with term tampering, but is instead the term is related to the act of improper negotiations.

Further, note the NFL use of "impermissibly induce a person to seek employment" and the "impermissible communication" and how that fits the particular paradigm of the NFL and NCAA, respectively. NFL is broader, to include tampering other than communication (i.e., any lure for employment). NCAA is more narrow, restricted to just "communication and contact" prior to entering portal. But, because NCAA is more specific form of tampering, they restrict the term "impermissible communication."

tl;dr: NFL is broad tampering definition; NCAA is a specific form of tampering.

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This is the first I've seen of this. Well I'm clearly wrong. But I standby the notion that it's absurd that the NCAA attempts to stop 'tampering' of non-employees.

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Tech Lunch Pail reporting that VT is targeting Utah State DE Daniel Grzesiak, with Chris Marve leading the charge.

Grzesiak has received offers from Missouri, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Indiana, Houston, and SMU so far. Additionally, he has received interest from USC, Oregon, Notre Dame, Iowa State, and Washington State.

Grzesiak receiving this amount of interest shouldn't come as a surprise after he had a strong 2022 season at Utah State with 52 tackles including 13 for loss with 8.5 sacks plus 8 QB hurries, 2 forced fumbles, and 2 pass breakups in 13 games. His strong season earned him All-Mountain West Honorable Mention honors. He has 1 year of eligibility remaining after spending the first four years of his collegiate career at Nevada.

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A year of numbers like that in the ACC would really pump his draft stock.

Absolutely. I don't have other conferences to compare, but I just added to my spreadsheet of All ACC Players for 2018 to 2022. I input the destination of all First Team players for those years. Very, very few did not at least get a shot in the NFL, and most are still active.

While I am certain that is also true of the SEC and Big 10, I wonder how it compares to the Big 12, Pac 10 and G5 conferences.

All ACC Player 2018-2022

Wait, what?

From Remember the Titans, D ends named Julius are ones you want on your team.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

No clue if we are still recruiting receivers, but Georgia State WR Jamari Thrash just entered the portal. Was 1st team all Sun Belt last year and played for Brad Glenn when he was the OC. 1,122 yards last year.

https://247sports.com/player/jamari-thrash-46053065/

Cam'Ron Kelly headed to LOLUVA.

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Cant play dead in a western. He will fit in well there

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