Pre-championship week - other games

Didn't see an other games thread. Figured we needed one.

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Watching Baylor go for it 4 times on 4th down in the first 3 quarters against Texas. The most recent one from inside their own 40. Man Baylor's coach just has balls of steel.

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Aranda is proof that a coach can change in their decision making philosophy. His first season (2-7) he was known for punting in the other team's territory, and other low risk decisions often associated with a lifelong DC turned HC, only to completely reverse that over the last two seasons and embrace analytics and aggressiveness.

And Baylor with a big man scoop and score to take the lead!

Baylor Bears are my son's favorite team as Frosty is a Texas bear.

EDIT: Ah, rough 4th quarter and rough loss for Frosty.

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Tulane turns things around big time. 2-10 last year to 10-2 this year. And several Cincinnati players looking like total jerk goons there at the end. Honestly had no idea they had made such a huge turn-around this year.

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Mac Brown looks like he is pregnant. Quite a gut there.

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/Hides all my photos from Frosty's Dad.

UNC is absolutely horrible. How they have managed to scrape by and win 9 games this year is pathetic. Softest team I have ever seen.

I find it frustrating that NC State can be on their 4th QB and they are effective and we cannot even find 1.

I'm actually not as down on Wells as a lot of people are. Want to see how much he can improve year over year. But still ultra frustrating how we could not get any effective backups for years - or we chased off anyone who was good.

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What a half hour for UNC ... lose 2OT in football to NC State and then the #1 bball team just lost to Iowa State

Ha. Suck it Tarholes.

This FSU-UF game is showing the true depth of the SEC against the second best team in the ACC. Florida is every bit as athletic and talented as FSU. Great back and forth game.

Florida is extremely talented, they just have coaching issues. They have Richardson who is just more athletic than just about everyone he's on the field with all season. That Vandy game they just abandoned the run for no reason and let Richardson air it out for 400 yards. Their game plans have looked bad in the few occasions I've watched them. Talent isn't an issue.

247 has UF as the 12th most talent team, 5th in the SEC.

FSU is 4th in talent (according to 247) in the ACC, 17th over all.

Hate that for them

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Jordan Travis is sliding when he doesn't need to.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

This one's for the FSU-UF game

New Mexico State is at Biberty. WTF? NMS got to Lynchburg late because their stagecoach was robbed.

NMS fans were terrorized by desperados Thursday on their way to Lynchburg, VA.

Edit: NMS is kicking Libs ass. Late in the 2nd.

Edit II: NMS up 28-7 at the half. Jerry Kill is the NM HC. The field reporter is highly qualified in her black yoga pants.

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Well I was wrong about OSU wiping the floor with McChicken. OSU definitely most overrated team, especially after near collapse against Murland last week.

Really? They've looked to be the much more efficient team. Michigan had one big explosive play and that's what is keeping it tied.
EDIT: and now OSU is up 3

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Come again?lol

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I think I was behind. Anyway, explosive =/= efficient. Michigan has hit two big plays.
I still think Ohio State has the advantage and efficiency is a better indicator of future success.

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Nah I agree, was reading your comment as that pass was thrown lol made me laugh. Then OSU turns around and does their own impression of it immediately following. Michigan, feels like, is hanging on by a thread right now. Ohio State's offense is a constant powder keg.

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Yea I left the room and did a double take when I got back and saw Michigan score again.

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Looking more and more like I'm going to be wrong! Michigan stuck with Ohio State when the game was in Ohio State's favor (a high scoring track meet) and then ground the game down to what they want to do. And Ohio State isn't built for it... again.

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Mainly watching "The Game" and flipping back to check on Clemson/USC-E because of local interests...but I miss having VT on rivalry week, even if this season was exhausting.

Oh ouch. I get that he's supporting his son, but seeing coach beamer out there in SCar gear still hurts. Lol

What's wrong with that, his first love isn't playing today /s

Hating Tennessee but rooting for Hooker, as well as hating South Carolina but rooting for Shane, has put me in weird headspaces this season.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

DJ Uiagalelei is the return of Kelly Bryant.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I think DJ U is worse than Bryant...

I dunno, man... it's a close comparison, to be sure.

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Bryant at least got them to a playoff berth. DJ U is just bad...like I'd think about keeping Wells over him bad

You know how some teams do well despite their QB, not because of him? That was 2017.

I agree with you in that the only reason that Uiagalelei isn't on the bench already is because Cade Klubnik is not Trevor Lawrence.

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We don't love dem Hoos.

I fully expect DJ U. to be in the Portal after Spring Ball (if not before).

No way Clemson moves forward with him as starter.

And no, I don't hope that VT pursues him in any way.

Agree. He is just unfortunately very overrated.

He's not overrated...he sucks

Helluva run on that screen to ice the game for USCe

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Baby Beams Fam! Glad to see him doing well and Clemson go down.

Wow great win for Shane. And seriously the ACC is doomed. A middle of the road SEC team takes down the best the ACC has to offer, Florida even almost upsets FSU last night. The SEC is just so good it's not even funny.

There is no team hotter than USCe the past two weeks.

Though they had a very odd year. They lost to Ark, Mizzou, and UF. Which isn't good, but they were the 5th best team in the SEC. So slight above the top.

The team talent level and overall quality of competition in the SEC is just light years ahead of other conferences. Including the Big Ten which is just rapidly becoming the Michigan Ohio State game.

Yes and Mike Norvell has more wins this year against SEC teams than Jimbo Fisher does.

I agree that the ACC is doomed to being a second tier conference, but I don't think this weekend was evidence of that.
I could completely spin the FSU result differently: FSU has slowly rebuilt, and proven that bluebloods are always blue, despite having multiple P5 rivals in their state, as well as some up and coming schools.

Clemson's loss (and 2 straight 'down' seasons) are a function of mismanagement by Dabo (half-assing NIL, not taking transfers, not hiring from within, etc) rather the SEC asserting (further) dominance. Now, if Clemson were to continue this downward trend, try to use the transfer portal and fail (or something like that), then it's a different conversation.

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Maybe this weekend isn't necessarily evidence of that, but the overall talent level in the SEC, fan base engagement, and gameday environments are just far ahead of the ACC. Most everyone is talented enough to beat nearly anyone in the SEC on any given Saturday. Home field advantage and coaching is on a different level than most of the ACC. FSU and Clemson have SEC level talent at most spots, but you place them in that league and they have several more losses.

the overall talent level in the SEC, fan base engagement, and gameday environments are just far ahead of the ACC.

This has been the case for a while though. I mean, when Shane took over the team in 2020, he inherited the 19th most talented team (two 5-stars, 24 4-stars). I could talk about all the titles the SEC has won since 2007, but y'all already know that.

FSU and Clemson have SEC level talent at most spots, but you place them in that league and they have several more losses

This year that's true. But in the years they won National Titles, you can't argue that they had 'SEC level talent' at every position.

I guess what I'm saying is that what we're seeing now is just more of what we've seen for the last 15ish years, nothing new. But in the next 2-5 years it will get worse.

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Agreed.

That's what I call aggressive play calling...go gamecocks!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Welp, bye suckeyes.

Overrated State University!! Wow totally didn't see this coming.

Oh I did, easiest pick of the pickem this week.

I dont know what happened to Massey's computer cause OSU at 3rd SoS is insane, they played no one.

Well to be fair Michigan really hasn't either, but they just proved they're better than OSU significantly. The Big Ten has just become a two-horse race at this point.

The only reason it wasn't a two horse race in the past was bad hires by Michigan.

Does Massey take into account the rankings of opponents only when they play and not later? Because of so, they must be giving Ohio State major credit for Notre Dame.

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That is my only thought, vase ND sucked at the beginning of the year and now lots of teams probably don't want to play them.

Beamer the Younger is off to a great start at South Cackalacky

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Michigan just boat raced Ohio State in the 2nd half. The Buckeyes could not stop them and a close one turned into slaughter quickly.

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What a great mfing day of college football!

And as is typical, I'm on the job for the best game days. Including our 2 best Ws of this season.

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Did anOSU lose by enough to be out of the playoffs? Say USC loses to ND tonight LSU loses to UGA in SEC championship does that mean 2 loss Bama is in?

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Not when Bama loses to Auburn

Yeah if USC or TCU loses tonight or next week, all bets are off. We could then see OSU or Bama sneak back in the picture.

It's possible with a lot of help, and because of the blowout nature of OSU's loss as you mentioned.

I still think it's a low % chance though.

If the committee sticks with their "number of losses" rule as the first criteria, then I'd say OSU is still ahead of Alabama.

Coming into this week, we had six teams in the "1 loss or less" club:
Georgia, OSU, Michigan, and TCU at 11-0.
USCondoms and Clemson at 10-1.

Clemson got knocked out by the USCocks. Georgia, Michigan, and OSU are all guaranteed to stay in that club. OSU's done at 11-1, while Georgia and Michigan will go 13-0 or 12-1 depending on the outcome of the conference titles. As long as TCU wins one of their next two, they stay in that club.

Then there's the "potential 2-loss conference champs" group:
-USCondoms (if they lose tonight and win next week)
-Oregon or Washington (win today and next week)
-LSU (win today and next week -- plus they have a head-to-head over Alabama)
-Clemson

TLDR, if TCU wins at least one more game and the committee sticks with precedent, I don't think Alabama gets in because there's still at least 4 teams with 1 loss or less.

Okay...so LSU and Oregon have left the conversation.

Going down the current rankings....

Georgia - either 13-0 SEC champs or 12-1
OSU - 11-1. season done
Michigan - either 13-0 B1G champs or 12-1
TCU - either 13-0 Big 12 champs or 12-1
LSU - either 10-3 SEC champs or 9-4
USC - either 12-1 Pac-12 champs or 11-2
Alabama - 10-2, season done
Clemson - either 11-2 ACC champs or 10-3

I think Georgia, Michigan, and TCU are in regardless. The fourth spot will be determined on Friday night. If USC wins the Pac-12, they're in. If not, I think OSU gets in.

Meanwhile, I have to untangle the Pac-12 tiebreaker procedures, because I was sure that it was down to Oregon and Washington, but apparently it's down to Oregon or Utah.

EDIT -- figured it out. I thought that if all three teams were tied at 7-2, they would only go down to the second tiebreaker where Oregon had the best record among common opponents. But I forgot to factor in Oregon State as a common opponent, and in that situation, all three teams remained tied. Apparently they have to go down to the 4th level of tiebreakers (opponent win percentage).

Of course, this is all stupid, because Oregon beat both Utah and Washington this season (even though Utah and Washington didn't play each other). If the Pac-12 was competent in crafting tiebreaking procedures, they could have solved this in one step. When you have three teams tied, and one team beat the other two, it shouldn't matter if those other two played each other or not.

Never mind, yet again I missed a detail, and somehow forgot that Washington beat Oregon, even though I was using that tiebreaker correctly earlier.

Ugh...that is why divisions are easier.

They showed Frank and I knew the Beamerball juju was about to hit.

....maybe hiring Shane wouldn't have been such a bad idea in 2016....

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Hate to say it, but if we only win 3-4 games again next year and don't drastically start seeing an uptick in recruiting, pitchforks are going to be out in full force for both Pry and Whit this time next year. And rightfully so.

They were out this year!

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2020**

Shane frickin Beamer with the back to back giant killers. Nicely done Shane, nicely done.

I'm so proud of Shane.

Michigan State greatly overpaid their coach. PSU has awful attendance for a 9 win team.

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PSU fans got their feelings hurt! LMAO.

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I don't necessarily agree that MSU overpaid... LSU would've paid Tucker the same amount, so MSU had to match. Maybe they could get someone else for cheaper, but when you have that B10 TV money on the horizon, why haggle over a few million per year?

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My cousin (who roots for our
Hokies) in Greenville, SC, posted this to tweak his many, many Clemson buddies

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Watching ND and Weber St. It's snowing like shit!

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Well that doesn't sound pleasant at all

I hate that USC-E is more Beamer Ball now than we are...we invented the damn thing.

Now we are full on Bowen Ball.

I think I'll keep this screenshot handy for a while


We did, but Shane grew up in it.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

We think Beamerball is our schtick, but we merely adopted it.

Shane was born in it, molded by it.

Reading through the tigernet.com message board is quite entertaining...

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

TCU putting up video game numbers so the committee won't drop them/move them up to 3 so they can avoid UGA at first.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

I love it. Nothing not to like about that team, that coach, and those players. Michigan/TCU would be a hell of a game

One of my favorite quotes about OSU/Mich I've heard circulating over the last few weeks:

Ohio State is built to hang 55 on Michigan State. Michigan is built to beat Ohio State.

It was from a random poster on the Athletic, but Andy and Ari have been talking about it for weeks on their podcast. It's so true. OSU is a finesse team, Michigan wants to hit you in the mouth.

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You heard it from "The Don" today after he went freaking beast mode on Ohio State in the 2nd half (205 yards!)

They spent time in spring practice getting ready to beat the Buckeyes

That's kind of just Harbaugh though. His Stanford teams really physical.

Miami getting worked in front of a few hundred fans.

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But the U is bak!

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Um Jimbo is working over Brian Kelly ....

Um Jimbo is working over Brian Kelly Killed a Kid....

Ftfy

Didn't watch the game, but I heard Jimbo played a ton of true freshman (who haven't gotten many snaps yet) from his historic recruiting class?

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Weigman (true frosh 5* QB) has only played a few games for them, but he looks to be their best QB option at the position and appears to have a lot of upside (as you might expect).

Evan Stewart has been a DUDE all year at WR, but they have struggled to get him the ball. He looked amazing against Alabama earlier in the year. Muhsin Muhammad III had the biggest game for them last night though (third year guy)

They have been rotating the freshman DL class all season as well.

Last night was primarily the Devon Achane game, who has also been a dude his whole career (also a junior).

The problem for A&M was a carousel of middling QB options being forced to play in Jimbo's overly complicated pro-style offense. The talent has been there all year, all over the field on both sides. They should be much improved next season with Weigman, both for talent and him having more time in the system.

Yesterday was also a reminder of how the talent level differential impacts these games. You thought Kentucky was disappointing this year and Louisville might be a "sneaky" good team who turned their season around? L'ville got straight up mashed by Kentucky. Clemson tried their "play bad and still win anyway" strategy that's been working for them all year against vastly outmatched rosters yesterday... and they lost to a USCe team who two weeks ago got blown out by Florida and on paper looked unlikely to make a bowl game.

There's a difference between rosters like Wake and Syracuse, etc. who have sub-P5 team talent, and then having to play A&M, who is having an objectively BAD season, yet have future NFL players all over the field. You sleepwalk against A&M and you get punched in the mouth. Tennessee has an "off game" last week and gives up 63 to USCe.

Some wacky results today. Clemson finally got the loss they have been owed all year and DJ stinks but their receivers aren't a whole lot better.
Baby beamer deserves his credit he has a program on the rise. Shows what a good quarterback can do for a team.
LSU probably sealing their fate out of the CP baring a victory over Georgia
OSU hit a good team and got exposed they looks really poor at home. Michigan might be good enough to finally swing at the top level.
UNC peak Mac levels of sucking against a practice squad QB. Beyond overrated
ACC with a stinker of a weekend. DA U is trash, no fans, no players, look awful. UNC CLEMSON will be a meaningless trophy to two overated mediocre teams.
Finally the ND to CFP talk can go away.
TCU made a hell of a hire and they look CFP ready.

We could be looking at a CFP without Clemson, Ohio State, or Alabama and im all for it, the sport needs new blood to come into the playoffs it's become boring seeing the same set in it every year.

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Without Clemson, Ohio State, Alabama, or Oklahoma*

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

whipsers, "Or Notre Dame"

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Can some one explain why you go for two win your down by 21 and you score a TD?

So them explaining an upright receiver in the LSU game our 2 pts against liberty should have counted.

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Enjoy this everyone. We're about to live in a world where Bama, Ohio State, and Clemson are not going to be in the playoff.

I really doubt this will happen again once the playoff goes to twelve plus.

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Yeah at first I really bought the arguments that expanding the playoff would hurt the regular season. For instance, OSU-Michigan would mean less if both end up in the playoff. But the Genie was let out of the bottle as soon as we went to a playoff. Now nothing else is going to matter as much as the playoff. It seems wrong Michigan winning that game decisively and OSU getting a bid to the granddaddy of them all Rose Bowl as a consolation prize.

I say the regular season will always matter for seeding and bragging rights, but the playoff is all people want to see. Would be nice if they can still incorporate the bowls. The NY6 should just exclusively be the playoffs with conference championships the first round realistically for auto bids.

The NY6 bowls will be the playoffs -- those six bowls will rotate the semi and quarter final games (assuming the Rose Bowl decides to get in line). And for the most part, the teams currently going to the NY6 are still going to be the playoff teams (at least 10 of the 12 in any given year).

And all of the other non-NY6 bowls will continue to chug along as they have been.

Ah, I didn't realize all the details for the format were out already. Interesting - since the top 4 seeds will be the highest ranked conference champions, this basically means 1) ND will never be a top 4 seed or get a bye as an independent, and 2) someone in the P5 is getting left out in the cold. If this season is any indication...we see how that is going to play out. In fact, the information only says in addition to six at large bids, then the "two highest ranked remaining conference champions." So it's entirely conceivable a P5 conference champ gets left out entirely.

ND won't get a first round bye but they get an extra week off anyway by not having a conference title game. And they still come out ahead, because they have an increased chance of hosting a first round playoff game. Those top four seeds don't ever play at home after Thanksgiving weekend.

What the 12-team format is going to do is keep out some of those probably undeserving low ranked teams (mostly ACC) that were in the NY6 or BCS bowls by virtue of contractual obligations -- either because the entire conference sucked so the champ was 9-4 (like 2008 VT), or because the second best team had to go to the Orange Bowl (i.e. 2019 uva).

If you want to see what the 12-team playoff would have looked like over the last few years:
(2014-2021) - http://cfarena.blogspot.com/2022/09/12-team-playoff-what-if-cfp-era.html
(2006-2013) - http://cfarena.blogspot.com/2022/09/12-team-playoff-what-if-late-bcs-era...

As an avid opponent of playoff expansion, the only way I can get behind it is if (at minimum) the first two rounds are played at home. The seeding has to mean something if we're going to salvage the regular season, and home field advantage would be a huge advantage for the team, and an economic boon for the hosting university.

The good news it, there's a lot of speculation that, once the initial 12 team CFP contract is completed (2026?), the CFP will be played much more on college campuses.

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