Liberty game is noon on ESPN+ on 11/19

And before anyone complains about how to view the game, it's at Liberty, so it's not part of the ACC contract.

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I'm getting tired of breakfast burritos.

Better than RSN!

Obligatory "we should play liberty, but we definitely shouldn't play at liberty"

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Yeah, I'm sure ESPN+ has better volume control than MASN. Getting tired of turning the tv volume up over 60 and then getting blown out by ads.

You know, when this was first announced, I was going to try to get tickets since it's a short drive...now I'm not so sure I want to be there in person.

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Usually I'm all for supporting our team, but I can't personally support giving a cent to those Jerry Falwell ass MFers. I'm way more upset about playing Liberty than ODU. At all, but especially in Lynchburg.

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It's a little offensive...to Liberty. They're that good and can't even get on a network (just streaming).

We put the K in Kwality

It has nothing to do with how good liberty is. Just the Conference USA has a TV deal.

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Liberty is not a member of Conference USA this season. That begins next season.

Bullshit. Fuck liberty

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Good. The fewer eyeballs on this massacre the better.

Onward and upward

Well.. Hoist the black and prepare to set sail.

Yea...I'm not watching this game. I don't mind seeing us lose to an ACC team, I won't watch Liberty beating the dogshit out of us.

Can we forfeit????

Just leave your TVs on folks, need to show out the audience metrics and how much better we are than our ACC brethren.

I still find it hilarious that a homophobic school chose the Flames to be their team name

Updog for life!

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I'm looking forward to this game. It will be a good learning experience for our players. LU leads the nation in sacks, so our OLine should get quite the workout. They also have 13 picks on the year, which is top 10. They don't play many top teams but I don't like those stats against our offense lol.

LU leads the nation in sacks, so our OLine should get quite the workout

So what's the O/U on how long Wells lasts before he gets injured to the point he can't play any more?

Was gonna boycott the Liberty game on principle anyway. This just gives me an extra excuse

VT football at Liberty?

This is my school
This is home

nice KonMari reference

Onward and upward

Losing - probably by 2 scores- to an internet religious school that has been playing FBS football for 5 seasons and plays in a 25k seat stadium hurts recruiting more than people realize. It reeks small time. It reeks that the program is so broken, Liberty can hire a scum coach, recruit baptist players and stomp VT twice in a row- that's all it takes. The staples easy button. No secular music on campus, and beat VT in football multiple times.. done... easy. Meanwhile in Blacksburg we can't get out of our fucking way. It sucks. It kills recruiting. It reeks small time program.

Be careful DC, nobody wants to hear how awful VT football and it's coaching staff are right now.

But yeah, why go to Lynchburg to watch the Hokies get stomped. Or pay money to see it streamed.

Whit should hire Art Briles... narrow the recruiting down to 2 star baptist kids with few ACC offers, tarp off parts of Lane, and go win games. Liberty seems to do it.

No thanks

There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city.

I really just think no one wants to hear you complain.

There's a difference between expressing a complaint or concern and just whining like a toddler.

I'll just set my chair in the corner and hit record.

Maybe I'll participate, turn up the volume during the good parts. Or, stand up and find a better angle to watch.

Oops, I seem to have lost my pants...

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Thanks Whit. Really love our trips to Liberty and ODU.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

They look good on paper. Easy win (oh shit, wait).. close to home, inexpensive travel, recruits can drive as opposed to fly. The win part is what makes it make sense. Lose the fucking games, and the series are abject disasters. If the hoops team lost to VMI and Norfolk State, it would kill any chances of getting an at large bid too. Those games are disasters- IF you lose.

Having trips to Liberty and ODU in the same season is garbage. Related β€” has anyone looked at the non-conference schedule for next season?

It's ODU, Purdue, at Rutgers, at Marshall. Ugly. It's really vanilla until the Beamer Bowl.

Think positively, I am hoping we can say we beat two B10 teams next year.

I miss the days of having big time home and homes and even neutral site games on the schedule.

I agree, but in defense of Whit/schedulers, we've had Home & Home's scheduled with Michigan, Wiscy, and PSU this decade, all of whom pulled out or delayed the game indefinitely.

But, to your point, the scheduling is a real bummer. I love going to other team's stadiums and experience gameday there. I don't love neutral site games, but airfare to and lodging in major cities is relatively cheap (compared to traveling to a college town), so it's easy to plan a get together with college friends.

Beyond that, I'd rather get our ass kicked by a top 10 program than lose by 10 to a middle of the pack program.

Hitting on a third angle - scheduling in the entire sport is broken. It's not just a VT thing.

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I think where I land on it is it's not Whit's "fault" (I wasn't trying to assert that either), but it falls under the responsibility of his role.

100% agree. It sucks. I really wanted to watch the Hokies in Happy Valley and Madison. Even if we lost, it would be a really fun trip.

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Responsibility for the future schedules is a tricky knot to untangle because there are a lot of moving pieces. You gotta find other schools willing to schedule, and there's a limited number or OOC slots in any given schedule.

For anyone crying out "We Want Bama!" (not limited to our fanbase), that wasn't gonna happen in the last decade outside of those neutral site openers. Alabama finally changed their stance on scheduling to start those P5 home-and-homes, as we saw starting with the Texas game this year.

And because of the long lead time in scheduling, we're still not completely sure how much of these deals were Whit and how much was left over from Weaver. Plus, there's been the scrambling to deal with holes left in the schedule by cancelling or delaying series with ECU, Michigan, and Wisconsin. (Not so much Penn State, because we got the Beamer Bowl scheduled fairly quickly.)

Meanwhile, the ACC keeps rearranging the conference schedule on us. We used to alternate having GT or Miami at home, until they put both of them and uva all on the same rotation, so we either got those three, or the UNC/Duke/Pitt combo. I'm sure the AD's office tried to balance out the ACC schedule with the OOC schedule.

Now, the biggest knock on Whit is that he never should have gotten us into long term deals with ECU, ODU, and Liberty that would have all overlapped.

Hasn't been like 15 years since UF played an ooc game outside the state of florida?

31 years.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

i am not sure i really understand the reasoning...but that sucks for their fans. I am sure their fans would love to travel to VT, clemson, NCSU, penn state, etc... going to away games at new places is a great part of college football.

they're probably not that upset about it. They've won a lot of games as a result of not playing hard ones

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When you get to go to LSU, TAMU, Knoxville, Nashville, Auburn, Tuscaloosa, etc, I don't think they care that much.

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I was at the UF-Vandy game Tebows last year in Nashville. About 50 UF fans showed up, we all pregame at the holiday Inn across the street from the stadium. No one cares to go watch Vandy games.

I think part of their excuse is that they have FSU on the schedule annually. And part of it is that they'd rather have 7 home games more often than not, so it's easier to pay an FCS or G5 team to come to Gainesville.

Looking back at the last few seasons, the years where Florida played in a neutral site opener were always the years that they played FSU at home. When they were on the road at FSU, they played 3 OOC home games.

So I looked it up because that seemed long, but yup 31 years ago was their last OOC road game outside of florida, however in 2017 they played Michigan in Dallas.

The caveat has always been true road non-con games, as they've obviously had plenty of bowl games outside of Florida in that span.

I always used the caveat of "scheduled", cause you don't schedule bowl games, you don't actually scheme conference games either. Which means UF has only schedule 1 game outside the state of Florida in the last 31 years, they have schedule an away game outside of UF since 1991.

I'll use a hoops analogy on where I place the blame on Whit. Schedule VCU in hoops.. they are a top 40 program annually. Easy travel, recruiting footprint, save money. Lose the game if its on the road and it actually helps your post season resume. Win the game and its a Q1 win. That's called a "win/win". Schedule the basketball equivalent of ODU- George Mason.. mid major, not in the top 100.. go on the road and lose? well you need to beat Duke to make up for that. Win the game? who cares and it may even drop your NET ranking. thats called a lose/lose. Point is, that if Wisky backs out schedule a team you can fucking beat or a P5 team where a loss doesn't make you an ESPN punchline. There are dozens of options in that scenario not named @ liberty.

"Point is, that if Wisky backs out schedule a team you can fucking beat or a P5 team where a loss doesn't make you an ESPN punchline."

In fairness to Whit, that may be tougher than you are making it out to be. I mean, how many teams are there we could comfortably have beaten earlier this year or the past few under Fu.

Joking aside, your BB analogy is an excellent point and good way to look at things.

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Stupid question...to what are you referring to the Beamer Bowl?

We play USCe in 2025 in ATL

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USCe matchup in 2025

Oh snap. did not know that. Pry needs to win that one!

Maybe Beamer needs to win that one. Could be coaching the good guys by then...

I dunno USCe has a pretty inept OC of their own lol

I mean when you look at our future schedules, it's pretty garbage until 2030. Pretty devoid of any games worth circling for the next 15 years or so.

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We haven't had much of a history of non-conference games that were worth circling in the first place...
'21/22 WVU
'17 WVU
'16 UT
'14/15 OSU
'13 Bama
'10 Boise
'09 Bama
'07 LSU
'04 USC
'03 aTm

Basically in 20 years of scheduling, we've had 12 non-conference games that have been worthy of being circled on the schedule. 6, of those being played on a neutral field, and were 1-and-done contracts. If you assume 3 non-conference games a year, that's 20% of our non-conference schedule that attracts interest in total... and a meaningful game at home happens 10% of the frickin' time... WTAF?!?! I blame Wisconsin... cheese eating surrender monkeys

I did a case study on scheduling in the Power 5 a few years ago, and determined that VT was in the exact middle of the Power 5 in terms of scheduling.

Since that exercise only covered 2012-2017, I've been wanting to do a follow up for a while, especially seeing as how teams like Alabama have gotten a little more aggressive in their scheduling. Unfortunately, COVID throws a complete monkey wrench into that. Not only is the 2020 season useless for that type of data analysis, there's still ripple effects into future seasons. (Case in point, our home-and-home with PSU getting cancelled.)

We haven't had much of a history of non-conference games that were worth circling in the first place

Disagree. From '03-'17 we had 12 'exciting' non-con games (you left out Nebraska in 08/09). 12 of those in 15 year span is pretty good (80% of seasons, we had a fun non-con).

From '18 to '22, we've had one home and home with WVU (a former rival that is now a B12 bottom dweller). That's at best half of the exciting non-con games we had in the previous 15 years.

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Joining the ACC has made non-conference scheduling much more difficult. When we were in the Big Least, we had ACC opponents that we scheduled all the time (Clemson, GT, NCSU and of course UVA) that were compelling match ups and also somewhat regional. We have very few regional opponents that are compelling now. WVU, USCe, Georgia (not likely to ever happen), PSU, OSU and UT are really the only schools that move the needle on the non-con front.

Joining the ACC has made non-conference scheduling much more difficult.

It's probably more of the ACC expansion taking most of the old Big East over the years that made scheduling difficult, rather that just VT changing conferences. Of the eight teams that were in the Big East in 2003, five are now in the ACC.

and playing temple or uconn sucks so ...

In your opinion.

First off, 1/3 of the OOC games being "circle games" actually seems like a good tally to me.. Not every OOC game is going to be a blockbuster. For any school.

Second, I would put a school like Purdue on the list - it may not light your fire, but it's a road trip to a school with at least as much football history as VT.

Third, Notre Dame is not a conference game. It may not be something VT scheduled, but it takes ups a spot on the schedule, so IMO it still counts. At least the non-covid games.

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Being in NJ, I was planning on trying to go to that game at Rutgers when I heard it was scheduled. Didn't hurt that one of my older brothers went there too. Actually saw my first college game in-person there.

Now, well, let's wait and see. But probably no.

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I'll be there.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Drink twice as much for me!

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Saving this comment to use as justification to my wife next year.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

that's the plan for me too!

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The Athletic had an article with Whit on why we have these deals. Basically money. We're not rich enough to not do them and went into the details of how the money works. As for why for 2 away in the same year was basically "If I knew we were gonna suck when I booked them I wouldn't have" it made me reevaluate my position on these games.

If we were winning these games by 30 points every year, no one would have a problem with them. The issue is not the existence of the games, it's the fact we are losing them.

No, people would still complain about "elevating in state programs" the fact is we're just not the big dog we think we are and that's a tough pill to swallow.

Going to two brand new FBS programs is a little crappy for us. Are we going to play at JMU in the next couple years?

I dont really know the difference between them and say Marshall that has only been at this 23? seasons. But it feels worse.

I really can't understand the rationale behind playing at Liberty. It's not a recruiting tool. If recruits can make it to Lynchburg they can make it to Blacksburg. The only thing I can think of is it's cheap and provides some scheduling stability for Whit which he seems to like for some reason. ODU and Liberty have just become our new ECU.

Apparently Whit explained in in the Athletic this week, but I haven't read that other than a short blip/summary in a teaser, so this is just my speculation.

I'd say that since Liberty moved up to FBS as an independent, they didn't have built-in home games, so they didn't just want all of their deals to be one-off games where they were brought into a big boy's stadium to be a cupcake.

From the VT side, we'd probably prefer all of the games to be in Lane, but if Liberty insists on getting some home games, at least it's the game with the fewest expenses for us.

I live here. It's already unbearable as a VT fan. And it's only Monday.

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The funny part to me is that if an expanded 12-team CFP existed this year, Liberty would have a decent shot at making it assuming they continue to win out. That would be pretty wild for a team that has only been FBS-level for a few years.

I mean, Baylor was the blueprint, they were terrible for decades and then decided they wanted to be the Baptist Notre Dame and started throwing crazy money at football. Liberty hired some of those same people and is throwing insane money at football. Hugh Freeze makes more than Pry. The rumored assistant (OC/DC) salaries would be inline with what we paid Corn/Ham. So they are competing with P5 teams for coaching salaries.

Yep, they've definitely got the financial side of things down. Their facilities are also improving rapidly. Stadium expansions, athletics buildings, and an indoor practice field easily moved LU past a good chunk of the ACC schools in terms of facilities, and that's all happened within the past 5 years.

Plus the coach basically fell in their lap. No way they pull a former SEC coach without some sort of "circumstances".

it helps a lot that Liberty has no morals. Freeze wouldn't get a sniff anywhere else otherwise. Must be nice to not practice what you preach and get away with it

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which is opposite of what you would expect given how they want to be perceived publicly. You would think they would have been one of the first schools to say "no thanks".

Well, you know, some people would get mad if they caught someone cheating. Others just set up a chair in the corner...

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That's how hypocrisy works.

It helps that in order to remain a "not for profit" university, Liberty is having to hemorrhage their online internet student tuitions on facilities and salaries. The alternative would be to lower their tuition and what university is willing to do that?

Wouldn't that money be separate from the athletic fund? I'm genuinely not sure how it works at a private school

My brother is gonna go to the tailgate and play Ghost πŸ˜‚

I must have read a thousand faces
I must have robbed them of their cause
Sickened thirst, Sickened thirst
Keeps it together
Soft white glow in the cranium
A bullseye made sedated

you aren't taking it far enough.... I'll dress up as Papa Hokieritus if you and a few friends can come as Nameless Ghouls

Oh shitπŸ‘€ which version of Nameless Ghouls do you want. The new live version or the old version πŸ‘€

I must have read a thousand faces
I must have robbed them of their cause
Sickened thirst, Sickened thirst
Keeps it together
Soft white glow in the cranium
A bullseye made sedated

The new steampunk... and we'll replace the staff with the Hokie Hammer

Need to make sure we play "Square Hammer" as much as we can

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I must have read a thousand faces
I must have robbed them of their cause
Sickened thirst, Sickened thirst
Keeps it together
Soft white glow in the cranium
A bullseye made sedated

I'll try and get a army of Nameless Ghouls πŸ˜‚

I must have read a thousand faces
I must have robbed them of their cause
Sickened thirst, Sickened thirst
Keeps it together
Soft white glow in the cranium
A bullseye made sedated

I also think year zero should be in the playlist πŸ˜‚

I must have read a thousand faces
I must have robbed them of their cause
Sickened thirst, Sickened thirst
Keeps it together
Soft white glow in the cranium
A bullseye made sedated

First one didn't look quite right. I think this more accurately captures what we need to do.

Well I got some bad news from the other day. Liberty doesn't do tailgates😭

I must have read a thousand faces
I must have robbed them of their cause
Sickened thirst, Sickened thirst
Keeps it together
Soft white glow in the cranium
A bullseye made sedated

I saw a suggestion on Twitter that VT should wear orange and Liberty wear blue.

I think that would be a relatively easy thing to do.

Normally, the ACC would have announced all of the game time and networks for the November 26 games back on Monday around noon. I guess with the timing of events, they didn't want to do that.

Instead, most of the game times and channels have been quietly announced. We still have a TBA, but there is an available timeslot on ACCN at 3:30. So if we play that day, I think that's probably the time and channel.

Out of principle I refuse to pay for another service to watch this game when I already pay for so many.

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As part of the Disney bundle with Disney+ and Hulu, ESPN+ only costs me an extra penny each month.

I feel like I got my money's worth out of it by watching the baseball and softball teams in the tournaments.

I just can't justify paying to watch todays game being announced by third stringers. I'll listen off and on on radio as I tackle my honey do list.