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Has literally been over a month since a comment in the recruiting forum -- it's really nice for these fall games and visits to be clutch for NEXT year's class and not scrambling last minute to close on guys just to fill out the class
There hasnt been a lot of news to discuss, but this tweet by commit Gerard Johnson cracked me up. Let's get this 24 class to Blacksburg and hopefully add one more DL 🤞
This kid is a dude. Need to watch out for poachers.
We got a kicker commitment in the last week. I don't recall a name.
If only there was some easily accessible network of linked servers where one could look for this information. We could call it a "world wide web"
Give him a break. Senators are living on a different planet than the rest of us
The Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes.
Connor McLaughlin.
Anyone in the know have any sauces about this? https://uga.rivals.com/news/georgia-pushing-hard-to-flip-virginia-tech-c...
Guck Feorgia
You can view several ways I suppose. First reaction. F Georgia. Stop stealing our talent. Second Reaction. Pry must be after some good players. Third reaction. It gives us a chance to see if Pry can keep Georgia from...Prying the player from us. Good fucking luck with that. 4th reaction. F Georgia.
Right- absolutely fuck Kirby Smart- who has 4 star DBs on the scout team already. yes. F that guy and his bag men. But this is nothing new. Beamer, Fuente both went after big time players and made traction with them. We had Josh Sweat until Jimbo Fisher flew his mom down to meet with the top ortho in FL to detail a daily plan to re-hab his knee. - Done. Bud Foster recruited NNandi harder than anyone he ever has, and similarly FSU simply had a trump card. I've heard we weren't as close on Chris Cole as some believe - he was always going to the SEC.
The trump card being that Nnadi was never coming here and really never wanted to. Would have loved to get him though.
Yeah the thing i don't get is more on your first point: even the incoming class is chock full of 4-5 * skill positions. What is Barnes gonna change there?
Just wait until next cycle when GA can literally sign as many freshman as they want. lol. The portal is going to be jumping with GA, Bama, OSU players - believe that
I get what you're saying with the class limit going away but regardless of that there is still the inherent limit of 3-4 classes worth of also 4-5* talent competing for 22 (maybe 35- spec teams) spots. I don't get why they bother unless that kid is actually Superman. Which in that case: pay him a bag and let's "newton" this shit
They can already do that. The class size limit has been waived since COVID. They just decided not to bring it back. Nothing is actually changing next year.
The 'insiders' I follow have basically said that Cole loved VT and Pry, but he had to make a business decision, and going to UGA - who sends defenders to the draft regularly - was good business.
But I agree, Pry needs to somehow break this line of thinking.
He's gotta sell what Buzz sold to NAW... You can come here and literally change the program. Or you can go play for Calipari and split time with kids that never enroll in class in an NBA farm club. That would be my pitch if I were Pry. Come here and be THE guy that turns this around. Terrell Edmunds was not ever VT's top player or star and was a first round pick. We can put you in the NFL. That's not an issue.
this is why I think VT going to the SEC would be the single most impactful event that could really boost our recruiting.
a lot of people are worried about becoming an SEC doormat and I just don't think that would happen. WE have the culture and the facilities and we're in a good location to be in the SEC (the furthest north school) which puts the SEC in good driving distance for talent in the mid-atlantic region. We'd be fine. We'd get the recruits and we'd compete.
That would be the best thing ever to happen to the VT program- without question. And people said we couldn't compete in the ACC when we joined. Our recruiting would improve 100% - Do you want to go to Penn State? or do you want to stay home and play in the best conference in the country? no brainer. And within 5 years, VT would be as competitive as Tennessee or Florida in that league.
exactly. It's why I was so adamantly against anything that helps the already-doomed ACC to stay alive a little longer. The sooner the ACC dies the sooner VT could potentially be scooped up by the SEC and the sooner we'll be in a position to succeed.
This is the rub though. ACC collapses and we potentially don't get picked up by the SEC
I'm almost over that too- almost. I mean next cycle Bama can sign 50 high schoolers to scholarships and they can lease lamborghinis for their team. We can't do that. Ever. So part of me says just enjoy my school playing games in the fall in blacksburg - even if its not a power 2 league.
Not unless they plan to play football with no more than 35 total upperclassmen. The total scholarship limit is still 85 as far as I know. The only change is to remove the limit on scholarships in a single class (which hasn't been a rule for the last 3 years).
Or...you pull scholarships from upperclassmen and make it up with NIL money? Safer bet for NIL because they are known quantities. Anyone not good enough to waste NIL on will have been shown to the portal.
That's a good point, it's a way to skirt the scholarship limits, I didn't even think of that.
Then yeah, they can totally sign 50 freshmen a year.
There is still a travel roster limit and total roster limit.
Of course there is. And if you don't think Bama, GA, Michigan, USC will sign 40 freshman if they are better than what they have, I can't help you. Today- hypothetically- Georgia could be "full" if they sign 5 monster DE's- they could tell Cole - sorry. And we could perhaps get him (if Tennessee doesn't want him) - with this new rule, they will also take Cole, and cut a RS junior DE who hasn't been producing. Unless we are still pretending that players don't get cut in college?
It would only take one kid refusing to enter the portal or take the medical retirement to blow this up.
Scholarships are not guaranteed for 4 years, so no.
Some are for 4 years others for 2 some one year at a time.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/schools-can-give-out-4-y...
UGA isn't giving out 4 year scholarships, they don't need to.
They are if someone else is offering it. You walk on the field and get a career ending injury in your first game and you're on a 2 year scholarship, you may not be able to go pro OR finish college. If you have the 4 year scholarship, at the very least you get to finish school (since schools generally honor scholarships for medically retired players, but doubt they'd extend a 2 year to 4 year scholarship for a medical retiree.
Plus, Alabama and Georgia probably have enough guys go pro or transfer out because some young guy gets recruited and they know they'll never see the field.
I mean, if Tech offered a 4 year scholarship to someone, and Georgia came calling and offered a 2 year, the thought going through my mind is they think I'm really a bench player they don't want to commit to for 4 years so they can recruit someone else they hope is better than me, and that I'd be a good backup for 2 years. Meanwhile, they're a likely starter at Tech? With odds of playing a number of other ranked teams like FSU, UNC, Miami, and one or two others?
Unfortunately, 17-year olds don't think like this...
I'm going to start most controversial so here it goes. If Pry offers a multiple year scholarship he should be fired Clay Helton style, he ain't making it back from that recruits house using VT funds. This is worse than anything Fuente did. It's worse than 10 RBs on your roster.
Starting with Bama, UGA, an OSU and the next 5-6 teams that recruit well and win a lot. There is zero upside to offering a multiple year scholarship for them. I will make a small assumption with 5* recruits. Only 60% of 5 star recruits go pro. So 40% are busts. I assume that a very small portion of the 5* actually contribute without going pro. If you only recruit 5* players then 60% contributors is damn good, but why lock in 40% that doesn't. The 60% starts leaving early and then your roster is filled with guys that are busts. If I am UGA I want Bama to have more busts amd have less room for new recruits and transfers. In addition, give certain players 4 year scholarships undermines best person plays. The school has invested more in the 4 year player so its more important they succeed.
Now going to 4* are less likely to go pro, but probably way more likely to be a big contributer that doesn't go pro. No big name program would take that risk, they have to much to offer and the risk is way too high. Only a few recruits have ever been worth the gamble so no big program should ever give a multiple year scholarship.
Now we go to VT. Look at Chris Cole, we offer him 4 years and how does that make any difference? He wants to go to the NFL so he wants to compete with the best and the best have no reason to offer him more than a year. UGA isn't selling an education, they are selling a championship and the NFL. So we are selling the NFL, Pry and Marve put guys there so we are legitly selling it. Cole is t buying education that's secondary. So maybe Cole is thinking about the possibility if he sucks so he takes the 4 year scholarship at VT. Now we have an LB that can't play and stuck on our roster for 4 years. What if he is great but then gets injured so he can still play but would be a liability.
How would other players feel if a guy coasted through instead of trying cause he was set? It's bad for team moral. p
How will fans feel with a coach that has a guy tied up that doesn't really provide anything to the team. Fans will HATE that. Who says the risk of wasting a scholarship for 4 years is higher than 50%, I should take that deal!
There is zero reason to offer a multiple year scholarship. It is bad. Whit should put that offering a 4 year scholarship voids Pry's contract it's so bad of an idea from the schools perspective.
Pretty sure this was supposed to be our method for getting that VMI transfer. Didn't work out, but I think he got (the equivalent of) a 'partial' scholarship that was funded through NIL
I think there are rules that would prevent that, similar to how you can't give a kid on the football team a track scholarship, even if he is on the track team and competes. I'm not sure the exact rule, but it may prevent that type of thing.
Also, to someone else's point - there are limits to the number of players a team can take to games. Kids that go to Bama want to PLAY. Just having a scholarship, or NIL deal, but not playing doesn't help if they want to go pro. And unless NIL starts paying like pro money, for as long after graduation as someone could play in the NFL, kids won't go somewhere just for college money if they aren't going to play (again, assuming they want to go pro, which I assume most kids going to Bama or Georgia do).
I think VT is too valuable to NOT be picked up. I just think it's a matter of whether we're picked up by the B1G or the SEC. I think the SEC makes more sense for a lot of reasons. At this point, the ACC is so poisoned that I don't think it really matters all that much. When the league inevitably crashes (and, it will) VT will either be scooped up by one of the P2, go to the Big XII or become an independent. All of those, save maybe independence, would be better than where we are in the ACC. I think just about anything would be an improvement at this point. At least as an independent we'd get way cooler scheduling opportunities. Being hog-tied to the rest of the teams in the ACC is boring AF
I agree with you on all of these points, I guess my only issue with it is it seems that people (on several threads on this site) think we are a shoe in for the SEC if we were available, and I think that is looking at it through O&M glasses.
I do think if there was a scenario where the ACC broke up and the P2 had their pick of teams we have a better than average shot due to history and being in a market than currently neither P2 team has. All I am saying is to be careful what you wish for, because if we get left out in the cold with no conference we might be thinking differently about the ACC.
I've noted this elsewhere, but I think we're more likely than not to be left out of the SEC/B1G expansion plans if things go down in the next 3-ish years. I think UNC, FSU, UVA, & Clemson are all above us, and you could argue that we're equals with Pitt, NCSU, GT and Miami. I don't like those odds.
I'd rather be in a diminished ACC than a far-flung, nothing-in-common-with Big12. (And yes I acknowledge that Calford makes the ACC ridiculously far-flung as well.)
I think if BB (including ladies, seems to be a market; and baseball/softball) can continue to compete as FB re-establishes we are golden.
Nah. Stanford is far and away the best school in the country at minor sports and that didn't help them one bit.
The SEC values football, then baseball and basketball (both men's and womens). That's it. The other sports don't matter, but it would be good to be at headline-generating sports.
I disagree. Unc and uva yes. Clemson and fsu no. The reason the SEC would grab teams from Virginia or North Carolina is that they would get those TV markets and be able to increase their rates for having instate teams. The SEC network would see a substantial revenue increase by adding teams from those two states. Clemson and fsu add no value.
But Clemson and FSU would be attractive to the B10 IMO
TV markets are losing their relevance. It's about interested eyeballs. FSU and Clemson are interesting.
And neither is going to be left out. Given that near certainty, there's no way the sec lets the b1g take those two teams and get a foothold in the south like that.
Then again if this goes on for another few years Clemson might lose its relevance. Clemson wasn't really considered a top tier program until around 10 years ago. Their relevance is 100% recent results oriented.
Thinking about it from a strictly "cable provider" view maybe, but there are a LOT of people in VA who probably subscribe to some service to watch Tech play. The only reason I got Sling was to watch Tech play. It's still a LOT of viewers that would get some service to watch Tech play, whatever platform it was, even if it's not "TV" - and that gives us more value than any other program in VA.
This is exactly where I'm at too.
Not sure why you think it's Orange and Maroon glasses. Despite going 3-8 last year, we have sold out most of our games this year. Tech has always traveled well. Tech is the only school in VA whose alums care about football (well, a majority that do compared to vast majorities that don't). Football is what sells tickets and has the most viewership (over basketball).
Even in NC, despite UNC doing fairly well in football, most of their fans are probably actually Basketball fans more than football. And they have a nasty tendency to lose to teams like .... loluva. Carolina is a basketball state. The SEC doesn't need a school from anywhere in the Southeast to bolster viewership. NC probably isn't worth any of the schools there, and Massachusetts? Uhhh, no.
If we improve to at least 8 wins in the next year or two and we're selling out games, I think we make a lot of sense to pick up, and it's not with any shade of glasses on. If I was the SEC, I'd probably take Tech and OK State. But even then, Virginia's population is about double that of OK, another reason we make a lot of sense to pick up in terms of potential viewership.
If you want to play devil's advocate of the Orange and Maroon glasses, rather than say we make a lot of sense, ask what market would the SEC like to add that they don't already have (and that makes sense - like I don't know how adding west coast teams makes sense, but whatever. I doubt taking a team that's in Big 10 territory would gain sufficient viewership to be worthwhile, if any of them other than recent additions would even be willing to leave.)
So what do you take? Most Midwest schools don't have large populations (which covers most of the Big 12), the Big 10 (is it even legal to still call them that /s) took the teams that made the most sense from the west coast, do they really want any teams from the PAC-5 (or whatever they will be) (see the related Big 10 comment). I mean, maybe you take one of either FSU or Miami, but not both, because converting some of the ACC viewership in FL may make sense. Of the SC market, they already have SC. MD and up into the northeast aren't football states. I mean, it almost leaves you with Virginia being by far the most logical choice and Tech being the most obvious choice in that market.
VA is the 12th largest state, with a lot of the top ones being in Big 10 territory, other than Florida (#3, and so makes sense to pick up one of Miami or FL State), or states in the NE that don't really have any college football teams of note (like NY). California is the the most populous state, but would the SEC try going there over a much closer state like VA where Tech is such a draw (I just looked up University size in VA - how does Liberty have 94 THOUSAND enrollees??? Is the admittance test ability to fog up a mirror if placed over someone's mouth?).
And so endeth my novel. To sum up, I think there are a lot of non orange and maroon shaded glasses reasons for taking Tech.
I mean, they took Missouri. Why wouldn't they take us?
I stopped liking and respecting the ACC the day they invited Pitt and Syracuse to join. Football parasites with no fans in dying northern cities. Seriously, when they did that I was done. Like all ACC moves since 1950- it was about basketball. Well now Pitt basketball sucks wind and Cuse did nothing major in the ACC- I think they won 1 ACC tourney game under Boeheim? or something ridiculous. I hated it then and I hate it now. We were put back in the Big East. and for a fucking cherry on top in 2022 the ACC said- Here VT - fucking Pittsburgh is a cross over game for you. It sucks. I hope we leave.
No one who actually watched sports thought VT couldn't compete in the ACc for football. I picked us 2nd to Miami (which I was wrong by one game), and I thought we'd be 4th in basketball and we were tied for 4th.
I could not agree more. I also think that VT, as the northernmost SEC school, would be well positioned to attract talented recruits who aren't from the south.
Yep. The down years would definitely have a lower floor. But, I agree that recruiting would improve.
We finished 2nd for Cole. He's even publicly said as much
Yeah he said it was very hard for him to tell Coach Pry no and that he is going with UGA. He really did like VT and Pry, but in the end he did what he felt was best for him.
Yeah. I think if he was 2-3 years younger and by then we were winning 8-9 games a year and putting players in the league he would be a hokie. Now of course Pry has to deliver on that.
We just offered a 2024 kid from Liberty Christian Academy in Lynchburg. Weston Woodard - 6'5" 240 lbs DE. No On3 or 247 profiles that I could find, but had at least a page on Rivals and no rating. Has offers from Liberty, VMI, Morehead State, and now us. Also expecting an offer from UVA. Anyone in that area know anything about him? Under the radar find? Seems like we must really like him if we're offering this late in the class.
Absolutely no sources and no purely speculation, but could be handshake move with the school more than the kid - looks like there's a couple 2025 kids in the top 15 in the state from that team (one is interior o-line)
no sauces, but seems like a recipe for a PWO offer.
Noticed he has a baby mullet going for him. On brand with the Giftory of this last week:
It was confirmed on 247 that he is a PWO.
This is more of an aside, but I grew up in Lynchburg and if you went to LCA you got a free ride to Liberty (LCA is the Fallwells High School). I knew a few kids that transferred there their senior year to get the free ride but I think they may have cut off that loophole of only going one year.
LCA also gets to play the public schools now, so they accumulate the local talent even more than they did when I was playing in the area. It makes sense for VT to have a relationship with the school, they send quite a few players to the FBS level.
Let's get the best kids we can, but eff LCA and their ability to recruit nation wide while also crushing all their 3A opponents in the playoffs.
In recruiting news, offered a JUCO DL with 2 years of eligibility left. Originally from 757
https://247sports.com/college/virginia-tech/article/virginia-tech-hokies...
This is not the thread for that. Please keep recruiting news in the conference realignment threads.
Ya know, something did feel a little off when I went to post this. Thank you for the confirmation
His twitter bio says 3 years of eligibility, so some discrepancy there. His twitter also suggests he's getting a good bit amount of interest too (UT, Auburn, UL, etc.). 3rd rated JUCO DL in the country (ON3.com). Definitely would be a good get based on VT's DT depth chart for 2024. Let's hope his "dream school" from his HS days still means he wants to enroll and play for the Hokies!
Ah, i don't think I factored covid year
Poor kid had to go to Iowa to get a look. Let's bring him home.
Dematha vs st John's on espn2 right now. Emmett Laws playing very well against very strong competition. Lots of D1 players on both sides right now. Thought he'd be playing a 3 tech, but he's showing speed on the edge.
Overtime now. Tune in.
Dude is straight blowing up the LG. They're trying to run away from him and it appears to be working.
Edit: Bro stuffs rb on 4th and goal at the 1 in to win the game. Most exciting live tape of a incoming recruit I've seen, but recency bias is real.
I like how our current players are developing and how young the team is. I am confident that Pry and co. will keep most of this team together, be honest with the players who have no future and should enter the portal, and will bring in a solid recruiting class with some solid portal additions. The big schools can sign good recruiting classes but ultimately the kids will go where they can play once the promises of playing time and big NIL deals fall through. Not every 4 and 5 star can play at the few schools that get them all and they need to get on the field somewhere. If we lose a good DB yeah it would suck but we have a lot of young talent back there and some are even redshirting but I know depth is important. We get depth on the D-Line and O-Line and get Linebacker straightened out we are going to be tough. I think had we started Drones earlier this could be a 10-2 season with only losses being FSU and Rutgers. Recruits see that and after the season if we finish 8-4 and go to a bowl and win that it will help put the finishing touches on a solid class. Junior College and transfer portal will help us as well. Go Hokies!
8-4 would be amazing, but 6-6 is pretty damn good.
way too optimistic on the record with Drones this year. We have big holes. I'm hoping we can at least make LB/OL/DT not weaknesses next year and go 8-4 then. Not that DT is a weakness now, but that is the position we are likely losing the most and have no backups with PT.
Our DTs are all SRs in the two deep, maybe if we keep Payne and APR we can hold off the suckage of the DL but we aren't in a great spot.
WR is in a questionable spot but not as dire. Gosnell has been very good at what he does, Felton, Lane amd Jennings are all SR though I think some have covid eligibility left. The young WRs are looking good but we've done this before where we turn over a room and after Royal, Harper, Morgan, and Hyman left it was a rough year. Even worse with Coale and Boykins leaving.
WR is interesting . I think all of Fu's huge misses have been cycled out. Hopefully the young kids are growing and learning the system. Holloway and Gosnell seem like competent ACC WRs. We do need a big body in the red zone to replace Jennings and a speed burner to replace lane.
Gosnell has surprised me. He's been really good at finding open spots.
Isn't Lofton the only real Fuente signed WR? I don't see any other rs-so or above on the roster that were transfers.
Technically Holloway was signed by Fuente's staff but went to campus after Pry was hired.
Yeah there are a couple in the JC Price transition class. But of the ones signed while Fuente was HC it looks like it's just Lofton.
All if the WRs can come back if they want to.
in recruiting news
https://247sports.com/Player/Marquise-Henderson-46137152/
87 rated RB from SC
Was there a list somewhere of recruits at the game last night? Anybody nearby enough to see their reactions?
Pretty sure mansoors brother was there
Recently offered a JUCO OL as well, originally from OH
https://247sports.com/player/rod-green-46101570/
88 rated TE from TN
https://247sports.com/player/eli-owens-46131908/
I would guess TN has the in here if the kid wants to stay home. Alcoa is just south of Knoxville.
Remember like 2 years ago where, if we were listed as a top pick, all the other teams were non Power 5 schools?
It feels crazy to have gone from that to being listed with Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan!
And one of these days we'll be the last school standing for a recruit against those schools!
We already have this cycle. Beat out Bama for Keylen Adams.
Honestly, this isn't what I remember. I remember us always being in the running, at least top 8 or top 6 with other top programs. But we always get "big dogged"
You're both right, just the other schools on the graphic was the difference between early-in-the-crootin-cycle vs late-in-the-crootin-cycle
Yeah but under Fuente we were getting big dogged by the likes of UNC, which just shouldn't happen
The real problem under Fuente was that we were having to big dog ODU and Marshall for low 3 stars to fill out a class.
Maybe we shouldnt complain about Marshall players talent this soon to after they beat us.
I think that's his point.
When do the jucos sign LOI?
Really nice to have an Open Week followed by a Thursday game -- enables the staff to get out for two weekends of high school games. Pry flashing the heli and making a stop in Fredericksburg!
Anyone know what recruits were trying to impress with this showing?
All of them?
figured it out
https://247sports.com/player/brett-clatterbaugh-46134714/
All the LBs...
There is supposedly a desire to use the helicopter to be more time efficient. Mike Villagrana was on the last TTL and talked about it.
So, while it's impressive, it is cutting out travel time. And doesn't require the runways the planes do.
Man if I was a recruit I'd throw a fit, these coaches don't think the car time is worth it to come see me /s
"If you aren't driving 5 hours to watch me play, you don't really want me!"
"However I'm spending $1500 in jet fuel just to come see you play"
Assuming Pry works 84 hours a week on season, 12 hour days 7 days a week, and let's say 60 hours the rest of the year with 3 weeks off we get him working 3,324 hours a year. He makes $4,000,000 a year or $1,200 an hour. So 3 hours and 40 minutes, with no traffic means having Pry drive the 7 hours 20 minutes is $8800. Assuming you can fly directly from Blacksburg to Fredericksburg it is ~125 miles in the air. At the lower end of civilian helicopters it would take 90 minutes with another what 20 minutes for landing time? So in a slow copter we are saying that is 3 hours and 40 minutes of Pry's time or $4400. So ignoring that Pry is a sunk cost, it cost half as much for Pry's time to fly than drive. And at $1500 fuel you are still close to spending $3000 less flying (ignoring maintenance and such).
So stop being cheap on our top recruits! /s
This is the type of analyzing that I come to TKP for!
He was in King George that night as well.
Anyone know the story around this?
Came here to ask
Passed out from heat exhaustion. Seems to be ok now.
This is neither here nor there, but I just noticed that he has his cell number right at the top of his X page. Is that pretty common for recruits? Seems like anyone that should (including recruiters, NIL groups, etc.) would already have access to his number and that this just encourages average obsessive college fans to blow him up and accidentally violate recruiting rules...
Youtube short for Kelden Ryan practicing at VT.
Not at VT but I love that he is wearing a Hokies shirt in the video.
He has to be watching what Drones is doing and getting excited. Guy could start as a RS freshman if Drones starts 2 more years
Didn't expect us to show up on this graphic at all
https://247sports.com/player/ernest-willor-jr-46125769/
247 Shows Penn State, Ohio State, and Maryland as the leaders. Would be a huge get
Pretty sure he will play day 1 if he comes to VT.
if your profile pic has you wearing SC gear and doing the fight on V-symbol, probably going to the Trojans. Great troll job if not.