The VHSL, which runs high school sports in Virginia, is offering three models for the upcoming year.None includes a fall football season.https://t.co/9qv2jdHSrG— michael phillips (@michaelpRTD) July 15, 2020
This decision is going to have far reaching impacts not only for players but schools, communities and coaches. Be interesting to see if any other recruits reclassify.
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I'm not invested at all in HS football so the lack of it doesn't ruin my Friday nights, but this is just another indicator we'll all be wearing N95 masks for our holiday cards this year.
It's not just about the games themselves. No season means recruits don't get seen, evaluations don't get done, kids don't get better it has a ripple impact into college.
Oh believe me I get that part... This is more like an undersea earthquake and we've only seen the first few waves... the tsunami is coming.
They are already practicing here in Texas. That is not too shocking to anyone I imagine.
It's already happened with a few top prospects, but I bet you will see players (with means to do so) migrate to states where football will be (or is more likely to be) played.
Im gonna declare The single winging Giles County Spartans as the 2019-2020 1A state football champions 😂
As a Narz Green Wave alum I approve of your avatar but not your imaginary football take.
Dammit, man. I love ya. But after last season, this is just ludicrous.
I know😂
1A title runs through Greenville.
To be the champs, you gotta beat the champs.
Never thought I'd have to see that logo again after I graduated high school
I'm from Giles myself man and support your declaration...ragsdale is coming out of retirement similar to Bill Snyder at Kansas state!....I made that part up sadly😢...have many friends from "narz" as well....when did you fellas graduate?
I would have been a 2016 graduate
I was waaaay back in 1999....(game was in November 1998) went to the state semi finals where we ran into Julius Jones...yes that Julius Jones that ran for at the time a state playoff record For rushing yards in a Game during 40-0 beat down...that team was just...I don't have words
We probably played against each other in that game. That single wing was a bitch. Worst part for us was hearing them announce UVA beating VT in about the 3rd quarter.
Yes sir...i taped the game but watched the complete falling apart of the Hokies blowing what a 22 or so point lead??....I remember it was a very sunny Saturday with blue skies and no clouds in sight...needless to say we all got loaded that night in what was an l around sad sad Saturday in Giles
https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp-vhsl-plans-fall-sports-20200715...
So if I'm understanding this correctly then there could still be high school football in the spring, right? That's assuming things drastically change, though.
I have been hearing a lot about potential football in the spring for both HS and College. I just don't see how that is going to work when it comes to seniors (HS going to college and College going to the pros). If you already have a scholarship and have signed an LOI, it would be crazy to even thinking about playing in the spring given the possibility of an injury. Same thing with College. How does the combine and the draft and all that work out if you are playing into March/April.
That's why you haven't heard a peep out of the NFL yet. What they do will be based on the other two. Everything is connected in this chain.
Just for the record, the Spring weather here in the Valley is much more like football weather than the Fall weather. So there's that.
As a coach, our AD and entire district will be voting for plan 3. Most coaches I've talked to around the state today will also be voting for plan 3. It is most likely scenario that football will have 5-6 game season with postseason play still up for debate. I've heard crowning regional champs and thats it and also potential 5 game season with 16 team/4 round state playoffs. I'm just praying we can do something for these kids this year.
Smart move, but how is soccer less of a risk that lacrosse? As a former player, I had sweat, spit, blood etc of other players all over me.
There are a lot of people out there that don't appreciate that soccer can be a contact sport. Not a given... it's all about how you play.
For me, it was a contact sport. In no way was it less of a risk.
Seems obvious to me.
there's also this
and one of my faves... obviously not real, but it gets the point across
The Neymar ones are always great....
My parents had me in just about every sport available in southwest Virginia growing up.
Soccer had the worst injuries. It's not close.
Maybe they felt no one really plays Lacrosse, so no one will miss it? /s
Former goalie here and I concur that soccer involves a lot of contacts.
I've broken several noses (not mine, other players) just from elbows on headers. I also shoved a kid into a goal post once. I missed the timing of my jump over a goalie. His blood was on my shorts.
Then there was the year we played Freddy Adu. We played so physical he limped off the field. They played Georgetown Prep the following week, and he about had both ankles broken.
I hate to be this guy but it sounds like you should have been getting frequent red cards and possibly not playing at all. I only played adult rec soccer and relied far more on physicality than skill so I understand that, but if you are consistently injuring others because you can't keep your elbows down or mistime jumps, then you're a danger to others on the pitch.
No, what sucks is that Im chubby. And I'm going up against scrawny bony kids. I had more beef to withstand a 50/50 ball. I wasn't actually physical. 4ft 120 going up against 4ft 80. Add to the fact we went up against some talented players. When we played Sherwood, Oguchi Onyewu literally dominated the box just by size alone.
You are 4ft tall and actually played against someone else 4ft tall? I feel like I missed something.
🤦🏽♂️Im talking about when I was a kid playing soccer. Did that get missed in my posts above? I'm short, so no, most other players were 4-5ft when I was 4ft. And 6ft when I finally broke 5ft.
Etc? Sweat, sure. Spit, yep. Blood, sometimes. What's left to be covered by "etc" or do I even want to know the story behind that?
Hahahaha - the "etc" probably wasn't needed now that you mention it. I mainly just wanted to get across that when I was playing as a goalie, if an opposing team's striker had Covid-19 - I'd 100% be getting tested because of the close contact nature of the sport.
it occurred to me I definitely had a guy vomit on the pitch one game. Then there's always this gem that's sure to spread some other...um...bodily particulate
The old Butt-Hurt Spray.
As opposed to football, you're in close contact with teammates and opposing players for shorter periods of time and less consistently. I think the biggest thing though is the number of people. All the players and coaches is multiple times more than soccer.
Lots of high school athletic directors are going to have miserable springs.
But, the health and well being of the students should be the priority.
The biggest losers are the late blooming kids and missing out on chances to play DI football. I expect lots of future transfers from lower to higher levels of college football due to missed senior year evals.
Somebody just needs to drop off the state title to Loren Johnson.
I hope VT can recognize him for all he's done at Highland Springs.
I'm assuming this may add to the turmoil that is the Covid Recruiting season. If other states start to follow, you may see kids commit to where they have offers at now, versus waiting for the big boys to offer, as they won't have more tape to garner that offer.
Could be good and bad for us, and well, the rest of the schools.
Hopefully, the NCAA moves the February signing day to May so those late bloomers can get their tape in to schools. But, that's assuming the NCAA would actually do it.
It really is the only right thing to do. They pushed the visits and dead period, so they really should push everything else.
I'm sure if they pushed everything else, the dominoes would fall and NFL would even push back the draft.
I feel like there is a lot of time for these things to be pushed back, even the whole season if need be, for football anyway. They have the summer to get back on track, and still wouldn't impact the following season.
Louisiana's current situation:
Link
A talent heavy state in wait and see mode for phase 4.
FYI, a state-by-state update. Not necessarily up to the minute, but published this morning.
https://www.maxpreps.com/news/qiL5GOXkFkyfJ9jwZ8wb-g/where-the-start-of-high-school-sports-stands-in-all-50-states-amid-pandemic.htm
I'm sure this is going to happen in a lot of states, but VHSL was quicker than most to pull the cord despite having a relatively lower disease burden than many states. Not saying it's right or wrong but is interesting.
0 deaths state wide under 18 and despite reopening and widespread testing, case incidence dropping like a stone over past week, so yeah its wrong.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-daily-dashboard/
I think the idea is to ensure this remains true. Better to be proactive than reactive. What Americans in general don't seem to get is that if they'd just shut the fuck up and embrace the suck, we could get back to "normal" sooner AND STAY THERE.
Really, the bottom line is what are my chances of this killing me according to the data. If there are 1900 confirmed death in Va with a population of 8.5 million, then I have a general 1 in 4,500 chance of this killing me without consideration of age. According to the insurance institute, my chance of dying in a given year from accidental poisoning is 1 in 5,243
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-mortality-risk
That probability is also based on the current infection rate. Currently there are controls in place. Remove controls, increase infection rate, increase number of deaths, increase likelihood it DOES impact you. But the bottom line is, it's not about you. COVID is not a "me" problem, it's a "we" problem.
^^This x 1000
It's not about whether or not I get it and my chances of getting through unscathed, it's about if I get it and pass it on to someone and their chances of becoming seriously ill or even die.
That is what we are dealing with here and the real problem that anti-maskers don't seem to get.
I'm shocked this is true. Florida has had four deaths of people 17 and under and 246 hospitalizations. .
Is 4 and 0 that far off when considering the population of an entire state?
Wow, that dashboard is crazy. Crazy in the sense that rates keep dropping. Maybe Virginia could give California (LA in particular) some tips on how not to suck.
Actually, California... as of Saturday, has had zero deaths of children ages 0-17 from COVID.
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx
I coach 3 high schools sports here in Virginia (football, basketball, and tennis). We are being told to expect option 3 with all sports being shortened into a two month frame essentially (winter sports Jan-Feb, fall sports Mar-April, and spring sports May-June). I wouldn't be shocked to see conference-only games or a total of 6 regular season games with maybe only conference champs moving on to the playoffs so it'll be a shorter playoff season as well.
If VHSL does compressed season, do you think this increase risk for injuries?
Compress the length, with fewer games. They won't cram a full schedule into 2/3 the time.
I don't think so. I think you could actually see less because of a shorter season. However, I actually think because of shorter seasons and kids being cooped up a little, you could see more kids play multiple sports again. Just my two cents
Thanks for your thoughts, coach. I think it is very possible to see the return of multi-sports athletes
Thanks. It's going to be tough on those three sport athletes. Football coaches aren't going to be happy when their QB is playing point guard up until a week before the season.
I wonder if we'll see more football players playing basketball this year (assuming basketball happens). Seniors who don't get their final year of football might look for something else competitive to do. Maybe we see a guy or two get recruited for basketball because of this. You hear stories of guys who didn't begin playing basketball until their junior or senior year of high school but end up being pretty good at it.
Henderson from Hopewell just announced he is not playing this season of high school and will enroll for spring at anOSU.
He's a rare case of someone who is probably capable of skipping his sr year with little to no drawback.
Haven't we seen an increase in spring enrollees around college football? Now in states with no fall football what would those kids do? Play senior season or enroll in spring and get college football training started? It's going to be weird.
I think we will see a lot more of this. Any 5 or 4 star with the ability to graduate early and enroll in the spring should probably go this route IMO.
Another Virginia kid for Forgoing senior year football.
this is unfortunate for those players that are looking for the senior year boost and may be on the bubble of earning a scholarship to play, D1 or otherwise. I'll leave the thoughts and concerns about the China virus for those in the thread about it.
Yeah it really sucks. My son was gonna be featured in his HS offense. Not to mention all of the camps and combines we had planned for the summer. He already is a recruitable track athlete but needed a big summer and fall to get some D1 sniffs for football.... 😭
It's regrettable that you felt the need to qualify your well wishes for affected athletes with such a statement. Nuked you because you knew you shouldn't go there but you went there anyway. Don't derail multiple threads with CG violations and CG violation-bait.
Yeah I was venting about the top portion of the post.. not the last sentence... I apologise if it appeared that I was agreeing with political stances.....
I thought your comment was pretty clear, no worries
I really feel for kids who needed to play this fall for scholarships. But if CA and some other states are going to play in the spring I don't see how the NCAA doesn't push back signing day. No reason to be rigid in days like this. I did see that Florida and Georgia were going to play football this fall though.
Leg for supernatural reference
Barton and Bud discussed this in detail (one of 247's podcasts) about the idea of pushing back the February signing day. They both were very much in favor of players staying through their senior year if it meant getting that senior season in the Spring. Both felt it was critical for development. Though they also mentioned how a serious injury in the spring would potentially cost you your freshman year, whereas a serious injury in Sept/Oct of your senior year likely wouldn't.
So Virginia private schools have started to cancel football for fall and have not decided on if there will be football in spring.
https://richmond.com/sports/high-school/local-private-schools-postpone-f...
Looks like 3-4 of the top 20 players in Virginia for 2021 and for '22 it could be as many as 5 including 2 of top 3, might not have any football season at all from this announcement.
https://www.wtvr.com/sports/vhsl-votes-to-move-fall-sports-to-the-spring
This feels like a logical move, this allows for things to be somewhat normal as long as we can get the pandemic under control and gives them even more time to try and figure out ways to make it a safe zone to have the games work out and keep everyone healthy.
There will be little (perhaps they might try to start it) or no college football season either. Once 10 VT players test positive for Covid for example, they will shut it down. It is what it is. I feel bad for those in their final year of eligibility- but any semblance of a real season aint happening in my opinion.
I have similar feelings. I do wonder what they do with eligibility requirements if we don't get a season or only a very few games. Giving seniors an extra year has its own problems.
I would imagine they just wouldn't count the year towards eligibility. Meaning that if you are a transfer, like hoffman, 2020 won't count, so he would still have 2 years. If you are a true freshman, you would be a true freshman next year, etc.
That makes perfect sense. Therefore, the NCAA will screw it up.
Yes but seniors would still be seniors, freshmen are freshmen, and incoming recruits are freshmen. So scholly limits are affected and (not all) schools can't afford additional schollies if granted by NCAA.
The could potentially just bump up the max limit to 105 for a few years maybe?