2019 Virginia Tech Football Schedule

Including a Friday two-for-one special!

Virginia Tech announced its 2019 football schedule Wednesday afternoon. The Hokies are set to play 7 home games and 2 Friday contests. Also, Tech is absent a Thursday night date and devoid a premier home opponent. However, it is a very winnable slate. The Hokies are scheduled to face a pair of I-AA opponents, only two teams in the final 2018 S&P+ top 25 (at Notre Dame and at Miami), and an average '18 S&P+ rank of 60.3.

Date Opponent 2018 S&P+ (No. 66)
8/31/2019 at Boston College No. 70
9/7/2019 Old Dominion No. 99
9/14/2019 Furman ×
9/21/2019 BYE ×
9/27/2019 Duke (Friday) No. 55
10/5/2019 at Miami No. 25
10/12/2019 Rhode Island ×
10/19/2019 North Carolina No. 95
10/26/2019 BYE ×
11/2/2019 at Notre Dame No. 7
11/9/2019 Wake Forest No. 64
11/16/2019 at Georgia Tech No. 82
11/23/2019 Pittsburgh No. 69
11/29/2019 at Virginia (Friday) No. 37

The complete ACC schedule:


The ACC is such garbage. We can't be fighting for bowl eligibility again with this kind of schedule.

Oh but we can.

The hope is we don't.

The Dude Abides

Perception is the issue. Our home schedule wreaks on paper because we lack football household names in our opponents. No one in the country will flinch if we win out, but god help us if we lose a game.

Edit: and if I were a local business in Blacksburg I'm livid right now. 2 non-marquee opponents, a freaking bye week, and Duke on a Friday night. Seriously? Is this an effort to make sure we're ranked or are we just getting totally hosed here?

Disagree with this point. There have been so many years in the past when teams run the table against a weak schedule, but still receive a lofty ranking. Their lack of a strong SOS is always an argument for those people that don't believe they are worthy of their lofty ranking that they've already received. Clemson this year, Wisconsin last year, UNC in 2015. It happens all the time. But these teams were still highly ranked despite their weak schedules.

That's kind of my point. Not that I realistically think we'll be in the discussion, but it's a favorable schedule. The problem is that if we lose the overwhelming majority of those would be considered a bad loss. The only exceptions I see are ND and Miami.

Did you mean reeks? Wreaks is pretty uncommon and typically used with the pairing 'havoc'. Without that pairing, wreaks makes about as much sense as pulling Blackshear 2 minutes in because of a single foul.

yup, pretty sure he meant reeks which is a synonym for stinks, an adjective.

wreak is a verb that means to cause, particularly used in the context of causing something harmful or negative, like havoc mayhem or destruction.

man... i thought I left the grammar police behind when I left TSL...

you did... I'm just the vocabulary police

Leg for you!

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

I would think the increase in revenue to local businesses by having an extra home game would offset the fact that none of them are marquee opponents.

I imagine hotels and restaurants in Blacksburg and Christiansburg are pretty lively even when we play a team like Rhode Island, but I admit I could be wrong about that.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Edit: Welp, I somehow replied to the wrong comment. My apologies, I was not trying to say anything about the local businesses. In fact, I repeatedly brought them up during the aftermath of the ECU cancellation, saying that they were collateral damage in ECU's decision.

Instead of being a gloom and doom person BEFORE things actually happen, and tossing out there the comment about the colored glasses...how bout offering up a solution for your "issue." Which, to be honest, I'm not even sure what that is.

And to be fair, people that wear maroon and orange colored glasses are the ones that keep the AD afloat. They don't bug out and NOT donate in a year when the schedule is weaker than years past simply based on sniff test, or refuse to donate after a 6-7 season. Those that wear those glasses donate EVERY YEAR because they are HOKIES! They support, show up, root for their team and school. And they drink downtown, stay in hotels, shop the bookstores...and I thank them for that.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Edit: My prior comment that you're replying to has been moved here, so hopefully it makes a bit more sense in context...

I'm not being "doom and gloom", I'm being a realist. Expecting a 10-2 season in 2019 is not realistic, no matter how you slice it. And expecting a 10-2 season when you instead get an 8-4 season means you're extremely disappointed at the end of the year.

I'm not saying you shouldn't support the program. In fact, I believe the opposite. Hell, I'm the guy that bought plane tickets from California to see the last 3 games last year in person, literally hours after witnessing our destruction on my TV at the hands of Paul Johnson, despite the fact that we were 4-3 and already looked like the worst VT team since 1992. I didn't even consider for a moment not going back east for a game, despite the fact that we were in for a down season, and I'm still going to pick a game or two to fly out for this year, even though I believe there's a good chance we'll lose. I'm still supporting my team, buying tickets and yelling my head off for 3.5 hours, just without setting myself up for extreme disappointment. And if we actually do go 10-2, it'll be that much sweeter, because we won't have expected that outcome.

tl;dr: we are not a good team, and you shouldn't expect us to be a good team, but you should still support the program by donating and showing up to the games.

I'm not being "doom and gloom", I'm being a realist. Expecting a 10-2 season in 2019 is not realistic, no matter how you slice it.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Okay, if you're Duke, or GT, or Pitt, or UNC, or UVA then yeah, expecting 10 wins is not at all realistic. But this is Virginia Tech! Virginia Tech is supposed to be a football school. And our schedule (which happens to include each of those "non-football" schools mentioned above) is as soft as it gets in the P5.

At Virginia Tech we expect to be competing for conference titles. That's the standard Frank set and the one Fuente promised to uphold.

Now I'm not expecting to be competing with Clemson right away but I think it's absolutely fair to expect the type of coaching from a staff built to compete with Clemson eventually. And such a staff should be able to cruise right through our schedule with the pieces they have in place for 2019.

If this staff can't do that, regardless of how realistic you might think that is, then one thing is for sure: this staff won't ever be able to compete for ACC championships.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Within the context of the last 20 years, yes we should expect 10 wins. Within the context of where the program is right now, no we should not expect 10 wins. Yes, we should be better. Yes, we should beat ODU and GT (but only because they're likely to have serious growing pains of their own). But we're not likely to improve by 30 points against Pitt, or 24 points against Miami, or 22 points against Notre Dame, and we're still likely to drop a game to BC, Duke, or similar, because we always do. 8-4 would show decent progress, as long as the 4 losses aren't blowouts like they were in 2018, and 9-3 would absolutely be a good season. 10-2, to me, is an unrealistic expectation, since it assumes that we're going to go 10-0 against a list of teams ranging from "really bad" to "pretty much just as good as us", and the laws of statistics say that this is a highly unlikely outcome.

I just think everyone saying "10-2 or bust" is being a bit hyperbolic about the situation. I mean, hell, Beamer went 2-8-1 in year six, and went on to play for a national championship 7 years later. And on the heels of 3 straight down years from 2001-2003 (8-4, 10-4, and 8-5, respectively), we were brought in to be a middle-of-the-road ACC team, and Beamer was able to win 4 ACC championships in 7 years. Taking one or two years as a sample size of a coach's ability to contend for future conference championships is ridiculous, especially when in his first year he took a team that went 7-6 the year before and won the Coastal Division, and came about 26 yards away from sending the ACCCG to overtime.

I think you're simply missing my point. Eventually (not 2019 or even 2020) we expect VT to compete with Clemson for ACC titles. Before I move on can we agree on this point?

Now, next season's schedule is going to be one of the easiest schedules we'll play in this decade. Me personally, I'm expecting 8 wins from this coaching staff.

But my point is that, if ultimately what we really want is to compete for ACC championships, the coaches who are going to get us there would be able to take the players we currently have and win 10 games against our 2019 schedule. Anything less isn't a disastrous season. It just means that the current combination of coaches we have won't be able to achieve the goals VT expects from its football team.

If these coaches win 8 or 9 games I'll concede that they're probably not the worst coaches in the league. But if they can't win 10 against this schedule I will stop expecting them to ever get this team to win ACC championships. That would be unrealistic. Patiently waiting for these coaches to return VT to the glory years will absolutely be unreasonable if they can't even manage 10 wins in 2019. And it's important to note that I'm not talking about just winning 10 games in general. I'm specifically talking about winning 10 games against the 2019 schedule. You seem to be unable or unwilling to recognize that very critical detail of my argument.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Pretty sure I recognize all the points of your argument. I just disagree with your conclusion. If we play like we did this season, regardless of win/loss, we have a problem. If we show a lot of improvement, regardless of win/loss, I am not about to say we would not improve more next year. 10 wins might have us playing the ACC championship this year. 8 wins might also, which would be competing, likely with Clemson, for a championship. I want to see better quarterback play out of a second year quarterback, a run game that can get tough yards when they know we want to run, and play calling the recognizes what is working and comes back to it. I want to see the safeties and LB's fit their gaps. If I see that, I don't care if one of our opponents ends up being much better than you predict and beats us, or if we get another rash of bad luck on injuries, or officiating, or anything else that might cause an unexpected loss.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Exactly. I was with him for the first half of his post, but using a single season as a referendum on the quality of a coach is just shortsighted, especially if the product on the field is much better than the year before, which is both possible and likely with an 8-4 season. The same logic could have been applied to Beamer in 2003, since that was one of the more talented squads he had and they underperformed horribly, but he was able to right the ship and won the ACC 4 of the next 7 seasons. Time will tell if Fuente can do the same, and an 8-4 record in 2019 will not eliminate the possibility.

TIL Kville = macraw

First of all it's not about winning 8 games in a terrible division of a terrible league and getting to the championship game. Playing against Clemson isn't the same as competing with them.

Our schedule is a joke and a good coaching staff could easily find 10 wins with our current roster. I'd like to see improvement in all those areas too but simply improving isn't going to lead to this team eventually reaching the lofty goals we have.

It's not 10 wins and bust for me. 8 or more wins and the coaches keep their jobs. But my expectations for VT drop down a notch. If they can't win 10 games against the weakest schedule we've seen in a long time then it's unlikely that they will ever beat Clemson.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Lol, I was called "gloom and doom" earlier, but you're the one over here saying "if we can't win 10 games this year we'll never beat Clemson again".

What makes you think that the same roster that went 6-7 this year against probably the worst Coastal division ever, getting blown out by a bad GT and a mediocre Pitt, "should" win 10 games next year against largely the same schedule? Literally the only changes are swapping out FSU for Wake Forest (a lateral move if not an upgrade), Bill and Mary for Furman (probably a downgrade), and Marshall for Rhode Island (definitely a downgrade, but Marshall was a win anyway). Again, you're saying that the expectation is that we get revenge for a 10-point loss to BC, a 14-point loss to ODU, a 21-point loss to GT, and a 30-point loss to Pitt, and if we don't get all four of those wins while holding serve against the other 6 teams on the schedule that we should beat it means we have no hope of ever contending for ACC championships and should just give up now. I get that we will be better, and that some of those teams should be worse, but that's a ton of ground to make up.

Must mean I don't understand what "doom and gloom" means, I guess.

We return a healthy plethora of starters from 2018. Three of the coastal teams we're playing will have brand new coaches and will be going through their own growing pains. Almost our entire team, which was "young and inexperienced" in 2018, will be older, bigger, and, hopefully, smarter. The "young and inexperienced" excuse can only go so far. At some point they need to grow up. I think after one full season of starting (some have more experience than that) and a couple off seasons those training wheels need to come off or else we have other issues.

I think it could be argued that losing to some of the teams we lost to, especially by the wide margins, in 2018 was inexcusable. So I don't really care about the number of points that we have to "make up" for revenge. VT should not have lost to GT or Pitt or, for crying out loud, ODU. But because they were "young and inexperienced" we somehow think it's okay? Well, this year that excuse won't fly. Those are games we should absolutely win.

There are 10 games this team should win in 2019. It's not the case every year but in 2019 the stars are aligned for us. If the coaches can't take advantage of the gift they have how can we expect them to ever be competitive with the likes of Clemson?

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

In most programs, they give coaches at most 5-6 years to make it happen. If we are not competing with Clemson in years 5 or 6 we have issues. And looking and talent and trajectory, I think we will have issues.

I do not think it is fair to expect any team to compete with the team Clemson fielded this year, certainly not in 5-6 years, starting with where VT was. To play for it all, you need a roster full of top players, plus one or two special players. To get there you, you need to win enough to consistently attract top talent. How long have very teams with very good coaching been chasing Bama? How many have moved backward instead of forward for firing coaches who could not beat Bama? I expect us to be competitive in the Coastal. Coaches get us playing for the ACC more years than not gives us a shot with top talent, or in getting lucky and winning, and appearances in the New Years 6. If we show improvement, and that last year was rebuilding year to recover from last of the Beamer recruiting years, that is reason enough to believe the coaches can get us to winning the Coastal.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I think your read on the team is 100% accurate. VT isn't a good football team right now. And 9 seasons out of 10 no reasonable fan should expect 8-10 wins.

But if we don't accomplish that with the schedule we have (teams losing key starters and coaches), it really should be a major disappointment as it would reflect little to no actual progress.

Is it basketball season yet?

I'm assuming you mean "if we don't accomplish [8-10 wins] ...", in which case I agree 100%. If we don't hit at least 8-4, it shows that there isn't any improvement. Missing a bowl or barely scraping by to bowl eligibility (which this year is 7-5 because of Rhode Island) is unacceptable, and shows absolutely no improvement on the part of our coaching staff. At that point, Fuente's ability to right the ship should rightly be drawn into question.

No problemo, macraw. It was obvious you meant to reply to a different comment, and most of us have done the same thing. :-)

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Regarding the local business perspective: There are three games in September, and then two each in October and November, fairly evenly spaced out. Contrast to last year, when there was only one home game in September (the second one got cancelled). The last time we had 7 home games prior to last year was 2014. I think for them, the extra game, even if it is a lower tier opponent, would still make up for lack of a marquee game.

The Commonwealth Cup always being on Black Friday seems to have become a thing.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Honestly I don't mind. I quite like it when we play off-Saturday games, it allows me to focus on our game and then spend my entire Saturday bouncing between all the interesting games out there.

I don't mind it, and it's easier to get neutral eyeballs on the game where there are fewer games to compete with. It just makes getting to them a little bit of a pain in the ass.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I enjoy them simply for an extra recovery day before going back to work.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I always enjoy watching non VT games on Saturday....if we win on Thursday or Friday night. No win, and then I don't have the heart to watch other games. You guys with me?



"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."

So it's never a problem the weekend of Thanksgiving. Nice.

sucks for anyone involved in high school football though.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I don't think there are any HS Football games on Black Friday.

earlier in the season, yeah it sucks, but it's pretty much the NFL's fault.

HS playoff games can be. My high school alma mater played a playoff game on Black Friday this past season.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm hype for 7 days of tailgating this fall!

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

I am excited about that as well. I know a lot of people may be upset with the Friday Duke game but that is our only chance at a night game next year and I need at least one 10 hour tailgate of drinking and smoking meat in Lot 18 next fall.


15 Straight


Question: With how weak our schedule is, would an undefeated 13-0 (ACC Champ over highly-ranked Clemson) be enough to get us in in the playoff over some other 1-loss conference champs?

Yes. Not to mention that said team would have to beat Clemson as well. Which...

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

I already addressed this concern in another post on here, but there is no way we would get left out at 13-0 with wins over highly ranked Clemson and Notre Dame.

That said, this is such a ridiculously unlikely scenario that it's not worth fretting over or discussing.

But what if Jennifer Lawrence and Mila Kunis both want to marry me?

What should I do!?

Hokies United l Ut Prosim


Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

But then I might end up at UVA.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Take Jennifer Lawrence.

I'll settle for Mila and her beverages...

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Wrong (at least on the beverage part). JB is a waste of a glass compared to all the good bourbons out there.

Oh she can keep whatever is in the glass...

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

This guy is going for Mila's Kunis, not her liquor.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Q: how does Mila hold her liquor?
A: by the hair

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Try not to wake up.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

I'd say "drink" but yours is better formatted.

Also, if we haven't wrapped up bowl eligibility before Thanksgiving this year I'll be sad and disappointed. Even though that means 7-4 instead of 6-5, since we have 2 FCS opponents.

That and Joe has the power to make certain posts disappear, if you catch my drift, before you know it, you'll be the one drinking.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

If we struggle with that schedule next year, then I'm more than happy to support a scorched earth policy throughout the coaching staff

10-2 is if we lose to Miami and Notre Dame, relatively acceptable losses. If we manage to fuck up and drop TWO wtf games we should still be 8-4 at worst. If we are fighting for bowl eligibility again there is something really wrong.

Last year, we went 3-4 against teams on your "wtf games" list. Expecting to win all of them this year seems a bit shortsighted.

Expecting to win all of them this year seems a bit shortsighted.

I disagree. If what the coaches pointed to all season long as the problem for our 2018 team (youth and attrition), then we should all expect to see a somewhat significant turnaround on 2019. And by significant turnaround I mean that we should be beating middling ACC Coastal teams with ease.

Is it basketball season yet?

We lost those 4 games by 14, 21, 10, and 30. An average margin of 18.75.

Bringing that average down to 0 (and probably splitting the four games) would be a "significant turnaround". Winning all four and not dropping a headscratcher to one of the 3 teams we beat in 2018 would be a miracle.

And this year was, I hope, a terrible anomaly in a number of ways.

WTF Games in order:

BC: Lost by 10. New OC. That could be bad or good for us... who knows. In any event, we have superior talent and should win the game.
ODU: Lost by 14. That game was an anomaly
Duke: Won by 17, but it could have been way more. They lose a lot of starting talent on both sides of the ball.
Rhode Island:
UNC: Won by 3, but were very lucky to do so. They are breaking in an entire new coaching staff. And they don't have a P5 QB on the roster.
Wake Forest: Maybe the most difficult of the WTF games.
GT: Lost by 21. But Fuente was 0-3 against Paul Johnson. Good for him, this might not be a game for a few years. The new coaching staff will have a roster full of offensive guys geared towards a completely different scheme.
Pitt: Lost by 30, and it could have been worse. Pitt loses a bunch of guys from last years roster.
LOLUVA: Won by 3. The easiest game on the schedule to predict until they beat us.

Your average doesn't take into account how young we were, the dysfunction that seemed to have existed in the defensive coaching staff (which may work itself out with more time together. Who knows?), the ungodly amount of attrition we had this year, and the fact that many of these "WTF teams" are breaking in portions of or an entire new coaching staff and/or key positions on the roster.

It isn't OK, IMO, to lose to any of these teams in the 2019 season, let alone two or more of them.

Is it basketball season yet?

Even if we are at least a 2:1 favorite in all of those games (67% chance of winning), if 4 of them are less than 75% (meaning we're heavy favorites, but not overwhelmingly so, which is more than reasonable) we have at least a 68% chance of losing at least one of them.

Maybe try taking off the maroon and orange glasses every once in a while.

I got rid of the down vote for you because your making a thoughtful post/argument. I just think the percentages aren't the only lenses through which to view this whole thing (as my post above suggests).

Is it basketball season yet?

Individually, yes, maybe we should win each game. But as a whole, it is highly unlikely that we win all 10, and expecting a perfect outcome is setting us up for unnecessary failure, considering where the program is right now. And even if we drop one or two of those 10 games, it isn't a sign that the sky is falling, especially if they're close games, which would be a huge improvement over 2018.

Edit: I would like to add that the last time we finished a season without losing to a team ranked lower than us in the final S&P+ standings was 2010, and that's only because S&P+ doesn't include FCS teams. In fact, the only other season in which we didn't have at least 2 such losses since the inception of the S&P+ rankings in 2005 was 2017, when 3 of our 4 losses came to teams that finished higher than us, and GT was the outlier. In conclusion, it would be a stretch to say that in 2019 we will buck the 14+ year tradition of losing to a team that isn't as good as us.

Get out of here with your LOGIC and REASON

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

It's Year Four of the Fuente era. He's had time to recruit his players, install his system, hire his staff, etc... This schedule is extremely winnable. Excuses shouldn't fly.

I fully expect another rough season, but I anticipate the issues will again be on the defensive side.

If QP doesn't live up to the hype (assuming he's the starter in the 2020-2021 season), I think Fuente will be a goner.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

I was saying this year when people were getting itchy about Fuente, his future is tied to QP, if QP flops I don't think he can survive it, if he is what we hope he is Fuente will continue to be around and hopefully have an incredibly successful career here

VT '17

I love you. I am so tired of excuses for mediocrity. I understand that there are rebuilding years but they can't be every year. And if we always have too young players because they are going to the NFL early, then it is time to find a way win with young guys.


Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

I understand that there are rebuilding years but they can't be every year.

The two seasons immediately preceding this past one weren't rebuilding years.

I get the angst over a 6-7 season, but are we seriously just pretending 10-4 and 9-4 didn't happen?

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

When Fuente took over, our fun level was at an all time high: 10! Steady Decline since then. It is time to see numbers go back up. Excuses like that have taken us from a 10 win team to a 6 win team scrambling to make a bowl game. That shit doesn't fly this year. Year four is make or break year, especially with the schedule we have.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!


Where is this steady decline you speak of?

We had a great year in '16 with an absolutely wrecking ball of a QB, and gave Clemson everything they could handle in the ACCCG. Then said wrecking ball made a Highlander 2-level bad decision and went pro, but the next season we go 9-4 breaking in a redshirt freshman at QB.

We haven't had a steady decline, we fell off a cliff, almost exclusively on the defensive side of the ball.

We can lament how bad we were this year without making up a fake narrative about the state of the program.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

It's only fake if we bounce back next season. And that is what this whole discussion is about! The whole point is the same excuses that were made this past season are not going to fly this coming season. Don't mistake my desire for results as trashing the program.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

Definitely don't think you're trashing the program. I'm responding, narrowly and specifically, to the comment you made about how every year can't be a rebuilding year, and how I don't think that idea applies to the state of VT football at all. We had two good years followed by a horrible one. That's not a perpetual state of rebuilding.

And coincidentally, I completely agree with Joe's sentiment. This is a completely winnable schedule, and failure should be met with significant administrative action. However, I'm also prepared and almost expecting for any potential catastrophic failure to be entirely shouldered by the defense. And if that happens, the problem, in my mind, isn't Fuente - unless he refuses to take what will most likely be a wholly necessary and wholly unpopular step in response.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

However, I'm also prepared and almost expecting for any potential catastrophic failure to be entirely shouldered by the defense. And if that happens, the problem, in my mind, isn't Fuente

Yeah, I'll stop you right there. Our offense hasn't scored on P5 competition with any level of consistency in two seasons. That is very much on Fuente.

In 2017 the offense was absolutely awful (96th per S&P) and the defense was incredible (9th in S&P). It seems very misguided to claim that the 9-4 season was a great accomplishment of Fuente when we went 9-4 very much in spite of our putrid offense.

After one bad defensive season you're suggesting the tough fire than needs to be made is Bud if it happens again? The guy who has proven over 20+ years he is elite and had a top 10 defense as recently as one season ago? This was the 2nd out of 3 years where Fuente/Cornelson's offense hasn't been able to put points on the board against P5 and specifically ACC competition. You're ready to fire Bud after 2 bad defensive seasons (in this scenario you are presenting where he has another bad year)? What about how we've scored more than 24 points in only 4 of our last 16 ACC games? Anybody on the offensive side need to be fired after that?

The teams we scored more than 24 on? 59 on UNC in 2017, 31 Duke in 2018, 28 in a blowout to GT in 2018 where we scored once in the 2nd half, and UVA 2018 where we scored 34 in OT and had a blocked punt for a TD.


Through no fault of Fuente's, the schedule he's had while he's been here has been very soft.

I'm all for blowing out bad UNC teams but while Fuente's offenses have put up some very impressive overall stats, they were *very* much padded by gaudy stats against bad teams.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Same thing could be said for most top 25 teams. Put up lots of points on bad competition. I love how we all are just ignoring the defense having any blame this year or possible next. While Bud and Wiles have been on staff a long time the same issues have been around for a long time. Lack of depth across the board, lack of depth on DL and running QB's. If we see those same problems this year and the blame is laid purely at Fuente then we have only ourselves to blame for what follows.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Bud and Wiles have proven themselves with their decades of experience at the P5 level.

Fuente, Cornelson, etc. have not.

Under Fuente's tenure, Torrian Gray was let go and guys like Tyrone Nix, Brian Mitchell were brought in.

The buck stops on Fuente's desk for the overall team's success & W-L record.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Torrian wasn't let go he went to a better paying job at a bigger program. Also you honestly think Foster didn't have a single say in who was hired to run his defense? So Foster is just an impotent DC?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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You keep saying that and neglecting that Fuente wanted to cut his pay to make sure his guys got pay raises.

I have no idea who made the personnel decisions, I'm sure Foster was involved but Fuente is the head coach.

Let me put this to you another way, which of these makes more sense:

A) Bud Foster and Charlie Wiles suddenly forgot how to coach a competent Defense

B) Justin Fuente & co. are not cut out for big time P5 football

Are those the only options? No, but Fuente's leash is much shorter than Fosters is in my mind.

Fuente was considered a home run hire. He had a very good first year. His next year was also good. Last year was an absolute debacle in every way. Again, he deserves more credit/blame for the success of the team the further removed it is from the Beamer era.

If the team does not have a good year this coming year (which, candidly, I expect) I'll say he belongs firmly on the hot seat because while we may not be a blue blood or big dog or whatever, the VT Head Coaching job is a coveted position and I'm underwhelmed by the overall progress that Fuente has made. We've arguably beaten one good team in three years, his hires have been unimpressive, and I haven't seen any major strides in recruiting.

I don't see what Fuente has done thus far that has bought him so much equity in your mind? What is it that has impressed you?

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People keep bringing up that Fuente wanted to cut his pay, but I remember seeing multiple sources saying that was not the case.

In any case, I agree that Fuente's leash is much shorter than Bud's. Bud's leash was lengthened through 25 years of successful defense, and one outlier of a season is not nearly enough to tarnish that reputation. Now, if we have another dud in 2019, he's probably on the hot seat if he doesn't show major progress in 2020, but saying he should be out the door either now or only a single year from now seems shortsighted.

I very clearly remember that he was offered to return at a reduced salary:


The 41-year-old was retained by new coach Justin Fuente in December following Frank Beamer's retirement, although it was revealed last month that Gray would take a pay cut from $275,600 to $260,000 this year.

Yes, granted his salary at UF was higher ($336K) and he was going back to Florida...but the reality is that a longtime, well respected DB coach was asked to take a pay cut. I would imagine this wasn't the only time someone tried to hire him away from VT based on his success.

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Gray and Foster were not seeing eye-to-eye during his last couple years here. Gray's departure isn't all Fuente's doing, but Fuente certainly had a higher standard for his staff when it came to recruiting effort. Gray just wasn't focused on that any more and ultimately that is why he made the switch to the pros.

He wanted to cut Torrian's pay to put all position coaches on the same salary. For years, the defensive coaches made more than the offensive coaches. That sent a message about priorities, and readjusting everyposition coach to the same salary corrected that.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

That doesn't really make sense. They should be paid according to their quality. Torrian Gray is an elite DB coach, I would have been pissed off too if a new guy came in and wanted to cut my pay, but also give his buddy Shibest $400k+ a year to be a special teams coordinator.

I suspect the point was to piss off Torian Gray.

I think they knew he was underpaid to begin with, and that he was checking his value on the market. So they decided to make his decision easier so they could have a more stable staff.

IMO when you offer a 2-star DT without consulting the head coach or even your coordinator, you deserve a pay cut.

After one bad defensive season you're suggesting the tough fire than needs to be made is Bud if it happens again?

No, I am not. But I also see no reason why anyone else besides Foster on the defensive staff should still be here come 2020 if 2019 doesn't show marked improvement on that side of the ball. And that includes Wiles.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

In 2017, the offense was too young. In 2018, the defense was too young. Put me in the camp that's done with the excuses, particularly when the level of competition is crap. Fuente is the HC. He's accountable for everything. If Bud isn't making the changes he needs to, then Fuente needs to force his hand. Same goes for his buddies on offense. Head coaches either adapt or die. See Dabo and Brian Kelly as positive examples of having made dramatic changes to address poor performance. Fuente would be wise to follow the path paved by those two if he doesn't win 9 games this year.

Serious question - does that mean you in principle agree with Fuente firing Bud Foster?

Note: 1) This is assuming Fuente thinks he can get someone who is better in the long-run (i.e. his Venables). 2) I am not advocating for this decision, just curious if people think Bud falls under the umbrella of potential "hard choices" if things don't improve.

If next year goes poorly, I would think everything has to be on the table. Mostly because Fuente would likely be fighting for his job the following year.

I think firing Foster would be a terrible decision because he's clearly one of the best DC's in the country and it would be hugely unpopular among most fans, could lead to decreases in donations etc.

But. If we have another bad year there's always the argument about fresh blood, Foster's system hasn't always lent itself the best to producing NFL players in the front 7, there have been complaints about his lack of involvement in recruiting etc.

I think it'd be a cutting off your nose to spite the face type decision, but I also don't think that Fuente would dismiss it out of hand if next year is another disaster on defense.

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Yes, I agree with that. Bud should not be beyond reproach. If there are serious defensive issues again, then Fuente needs to make significant changes. Replacing Bud in such a scenario should absolutely be on the table. For as amazing as Bud has been for 30 years, he has his faults (notably, recruiting). Now, you raise the next important point: if Fuente goes that route, you can't ever be certain his replacement will be better, but the replacement better damn well be a reputable name (e.g., Venables at Clemson and Elko at ND).

10-4 with mostly Beamer's players and Fuente hasn't really beaten a good team yet.

Who is our most impressive win? A bad ND team? A Will Grier-less 7-6 WVU team? Miami and Pitt were decent in 2016 I suppose, but he really hasn't beaten anyone that he shouldn't have.

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A Will Grier-less WVU team?


The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Huh, nevermind.

I could have sworn he was suspended for that game for the PEDs he got caught with?

Either way, that was a 7-6 WVU team.

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7-6 because they lost Will Grier to injury.

Grier broke his finger against Texas, which was their 11th game of the year.

Their best win of the year was arguably an away game against an K-State team that ended up 8-5.

They beat ECU, Delaware State, Kansas, Texas Tech (6-7), Baylor (1-11), Iowa Sate (8-4), and K-Sate.

That wasn't a phenomenal WVU team.

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So now it's phenomenal teams?

The original criticism was that Fuente hasn't beaten any good teams. Dismissing West Va win because they finished 7-6 isn't a fair analysis given Will Gier's injury.

Not saying they were phenomenal. But I think they were a good team and I think this year with Will Grier playing a full season bears that out.

I'm probably nit picking on how good that team was, and it's not worth arguing about.

It's his best win, and probably the only one against a good team. That's disappointing.

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Yeaaaa but Will Grier didn't play the last 3 games of the season. They were ranked 23rd and 7-3 with him and had beaten #14 Iowa State and #24 Texas Tech. They were better than 7-6 if he finishes the season. Lets not shit on our one decent win over the past 2 seasons for no reason.

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I'll give you 'decent' but no more than that.

But if Fuente's sole on field accomplishment that he can hang his hat on after 3 years is that game...

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I'm not saying it's enough to hang our hat on. I'm just saying just because we don't have a lot of good wins recently doesn't mean we should poke holes in the one good one we do. Also, it's tough to claim good wins with the schedule we have. Last year the only team that would have fit your criteria for a good win was Notre Dame and they were a top 4 undefeated team.

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True, he's got limited opportunities.

But if I were Whit and I'm asking him to write up his year end review for his 3 years in Blacksburg, I'm not really sure what accomplishments Fuente can reasonably list.

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Look no one is thrilled with how this season went but that's not a valid reason to shit on the other seasons,

I think Fuente can reasonably list winning ACC Coach of the Year in his first season as an accomplishment.

My original post was in reply to Joe's about the excuses running out.

I haven't been overly impressed with Fuente's tenure. His teams have gotten progressively worse, his hires have been lackluster, and recruiting is largely the same.

I'll stand by that.

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There's the "progressively worse" argument again. Is there any actual data to back up that assertion? If you look at S&P+, in 2016 we had a good offense and a good defense. In 2017, a bad offense and a good defense. In 2018, a good offense and a bad defense. That's not a linear progression of suck, it's the normal ebb and flow a program is going to experience when breaking in a true freshman at QB and then having a bomb go off on the defense in the off-season.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I'm not really trying to be a dick or disagree with you but if you look at the most important stat (wins) then we have, actually, technically, in fact, progressively gotten worse. 10 wins, then 9, then 6.

So strictly speaking, he's not wrong. But looking at it that way certainly does ignore quite a lot of context which can be debated. But if you're asking for data to back up the argument you're barking up the wrong tree

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I think the context is very debatable, there were plenty of reasons why this year was a disaster.

Some were under Fuente's control (bringing along a mediocre OC, bad defensive assistant hires, recruiting misses), others somewhat under his control (players thrown off the team), and some totally out of his control (injuries, players leaving).

But yeah, we're looking for wins. I'm not going to dismiss advanced stats, there have been improvements over the Beamer-era offense (which, was conservative to a fault) but Fuente is here to win games.

I'm not advocating for his firing, but I'm also not on board with the people who are defending him at every turn and saying ridiculous things like "I'm glad we gave Beamer more than 3 years" or "Look at Dabo's early struggles". This year is a major measuring stick: the schedule is soft as hell, he'll be working with players he recruited, and hopefully we'll have more injury luck. If he can't deliver, he belongs firmly on the hot seat.

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10-4 vs 9-4 is one less win in one less game. Trying to say that's a significant decline is a hard sell.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

In context it becomes far more understandable. The ACC in 2016 was the strongest year of the ACC in my lifetime, 2017 ACC was a huge dropoff from 2016, and 2018 was an even bigger dropoff.

10-4 in 2016 included us winning the ACC Coastal, and going toe to toe with a Clemson team that would go on to win a national championship with Deshaun Watson. It also included us scoring 30+ on P5 competition 8 times.

9-4 in 2017 included us losing the Coastal to a Miami team by 18 (scoring only 10 points) that would get railed by a worse Clemson team in the ACCCG. It included us scoring 30+ on P5 competition 2 times.

This was our offensive point total outputs vs. P5 competition in 2017: 31, 17, 23, 59, 24, 28, 22, 20, 10, 21.

I think when any level of context is applied beyond raw win/loss totals it becomes very easy to declare 2017 a substantial decline from 2016, and almost exclusively on offense.

A similar comparison would be 9-3 NC State this season, they played a weak ACC schedule, a terrible OOC schedule, but finished with 9 wins. Texas A&M went 8-4, but they played a brutal schedule in the toughest P5 division, and played Clemson OOC. They beat NC State like an FCS team in their bowl game 52-13.

The raw W/L suggested NC State might be a better team than A&M, but once you apply the context for quality of opponent and advanced analytics, the outcome no longer seems so far-fetched.

2016 was a record setting year for us offensively. For us not to expect offensive drop-offs a year after losing 3 of our top 4 offensive producers is unrealistic (Evans, Ford, Bucky). It's the same reason our defense had such a huge drop-off this year. You can't just ignore those facts when providing criticism. Also I'm sure the numbers say we had a better offense in 2017 than 2018, but in my personal opinion the offense was much less painful to watch this year. Once we quit playing bad teams in 2017 and people realized they just had to take away Cam, our offense was nonexistent.

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The numbers say our offense was much better this year, but unfortunately we still struggled to score points.

I don't disagree with your points about the defense getting worse for similar reasons, but neither of those things suggest that my original premise doesn't hold. That premise is simply that the slight difference in the W/L does not accurately reflect how much worse and less dangerous we were as a team in 2017 compared to 2016.

S&P+ says the 2018 offense runs circles around the 2017 offense... 44th vs 96th. In fact, the 2018 offense was ranked higher than the 2016 offense, at 51st.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Ranked higher than 2016 yes, but the actual offensive S&P score was slightly lower than 2016 because there were more good offenses in 2016.

Regardless I've already broken down the differences between 2016 and 2018 offenses at length in the thread that was specifically about the S&P rankings from 2018. I'm glad we are getting better at moving the ball but the fact remains we can't score for shit against P5 competition. That is a HUGE difference between 2016 and 2018.

If it was only because of Beamer players why did those same players only win 14 games in previous two seasons?

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I never said it was only because of Beamer's players, but coaches deserve more credit for accomplishments the further removed they are from the previous coaching staff, and Fuente has gone from 10-4 to 6-7 in three years.

My main point is that Fuente doesn't have a win over a particularly impressive team, he's been largely beating up on bad teams (and, more recently losing to them).

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I see your point, but some of that is also due to college players tending to improve as they get older. Which is why I'm hopeful we'll see more improvement this year than many are assuming. If we don't, I agree with those that say the excuses are running out.

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2019 schedule is the type that gets you little credit for ten wins and ridicule for 6 and 6 season.

After setting through every home game last season and going to the bowl game, I would be thrilled with 10 wins this year.

Anything less than 10-2 against that schedule is hot garbage.


6-6 with this schedule gets you fired!

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

I think 6-6 (while that would still be really disappointing) would get him another year for sure. Anything worse and he'll be gone, since that would be three straight years going in the wrong direction.

That being said, I think there's a good chance we finish with 7 or 8 wins (even with such an easy schedule). I see 3 VERY winnable games (knock on wood) and one (Notre Dame) where we'll be at least a two-TD underdog. If we go 4-4 in our evenly-matched games, we'll be 7-5. I don't see us being more than a game better or worse than that.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

What is your definition of winnable? I see us as being 8-4 or 9-3 next season.

can anyone explain how we wound up with two byes?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

There's an extra Saturday between Labor Day and the first Saturday in December this year. Happens twice every 7 years, on average.

Next time it happens is 2024, and then 2025, and then not again until 2030.

Our calendar is weird. We have roughly 365.2425 days per year, and the closest multiple of 7 is 364, meaning the day of the week a given date falls on advances by one most years, or two on leap years.

it seems exceedingly dumb to me to tie both ends to specific weekends rather than one or the other and let season length build itself from there.

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Thanksgiving weekend has become "Rivalry Week" across all of FBS football, and because [math reasons that aren't important] that means the following Saturday is the first Saturday in December, and the NFL always starts the week after Labor Day, so it makes sense for College Football to kick off the week prior since they can play games every day from Thursday through Monday without butting heads with the pros.

I don't see what's so bad about having a second bye week every few years seemingly at random.

It's not bad, it just seems dumb to me to tie both ends rather than one or the other.

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Everybody gets 2 byes this year because of how the weeks fall. The first Saturday of college football is August this year instead of September.

I saw the bye in September and thought, you gotta be fucking kidding me. Then noticed the second bye in October. I'll gladly take it.

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This is the dry hand job of football schedules

The roughest of handjobs, the paul bunyan of hand jobs if you will

We are about to go into a 7 month dry spell. You take what you can get.

It still works.

...how exciting.

Look up the definition of "blah" in the schedule and its this.

Blessing in disguise because of the growing pains we will still be having, but this does literally nothing to generate any kind of excitement heading into the long offseason IMO. If I was a season ticket holder this lineup would have me...not pleased.

If you were a season ticket holder, you might be excited that there are 7 home games instead of the 6 that we expected only a month ago. Also, we've known our entire 2019 home schedule aside from Rhode Island for years now, there are no surprises here.

If the RI game increased the season ticket package by $70 I wouldn't be excited. But then again I haven't had season tickets since I was priced out in the mid-2000s.

I am still excited with Rhody on the schedule. We can see a lot of the second and third string get meaningful snaps in a game.

15-0 here we come!


As blasé as it is.... it was such a relief to the eyes not to see ECU on the schedule!! It really did warm my heart.

We just replaced ECU with a worse version of ECU

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I know it has been discussed at length, but I still think ODU gives us more exposure to kids in the 757. I am sure I will get sick of ODU pretty soon, but right now I still think its an upgrade of the tiniest margins (or just not as sucky of a deal as ECU?)

We shouldn't have a scheduling agreement that has us playing in a 22k seat stadium every other year unless its forced upon us by the conference. Playing in Wallace Wade is bad enough, and Foreman Field is literally half its size, and will continue to be half its size after renovation.

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Agree on the scheduling agreement, I don't understand why we seem to need to pick a G5 opponent and schedule them for the next 15 years. Honestly, I think another reason I am not outraged about it is because I live in Va beach and am also an ODU alum, so getting tickets shouldn't be a problem and its a 20 minute drive to a VT game, something I have never been able to say before. The size of Foreman Field after the renovation bothers me. I thought they were required to get their stadium up to a specific capacity as part of the schools' agreement

I agree that it keeps us playing games in what should be a fertile recruiting ground for us, but I wish it was a 2 for 1 home and home. I think part of Whit's logic is the travel time for fans from that part of the state. Gives them a chance to see the Hokies with a short trip rather than the usual 4 hour haul.

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I wish it was a 2 for 1 home and home as well. Like I was telling Alum, I do not understand this need to schedule 1 opponent for so many consecutive years, especially with how much the landscape of college football can change over 5 years

I can see Alum doing exactly this when the glee from having ECU off the schedule dissolves and the realization that ODU replaced it slowly sinks in lol

haha that was exactly my thought process... "No more ECU!! ... oh so much ODU... "

We learned from ECU to not sign up for long series and then agree to 10 straight years to play the same team? right?


I think I just heard Whit tell someone to hold his beer...

There is no worse version of ECU. They are a pile of steaming crap.

Oh look a schedule... I would never have guessed we were gonna play theses teams. Yay!!!

God this offseason is gonna be long

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First impressions:

1) No Thursday night games but a Friday night game against Duke (I actually prefer this)
2) September seems really manageable. At BC (which is not a great football environment), revenge game against ODU, FCS home game and even though Duke has a higher S&P than us, they're coming to Lane on a night game. I think this is important as the defense will probably continue to need to work on shit in the beginning of the season.
3) 8-4 seems reasonable. Loss to ND and Miami and two WTF games.

Nothing against you 7LoP but I just read the words "revenge game against ODU" and it made me very sad.

We should whine to the ACC - carry the torch for Paul Johnson's whining about that.

No. We should not.

UVA plays Liberty the week before they play us, so only three ACC teams have open dates before playing us.

Based on that schedule, there are two other schools that have three ACC opponents off a bye week:
NC State — BC, Syracuse, WF
ND — BC, Duke, VT

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lol! yep that's me alright

wow man the weight loss is really noticeable

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Liberty beat ODU 52-10 last year, and finished 6-6. They aren't necessarily going to be an easy out for UVA.

New coach and a lot of new players on offense.... I wouldnt be so sure that they will be very competitive

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Not that we have to worry (#15Straight), but I don't like that LOLUVA plays Liberty the week before the Commonwealth Clash while we play pesky Pitt.

With a near auto loss to Paul Johnson not in play, the schedule is really manageable for an average VT team. Question is, will this be an average VT team? I'll pencil in losses to Pitt and ND now. I'll throw Miami and BC in toss up territory. So 8-4 seems about right. One year away from winning the coastal, IMO.

Given how underwhelming the 2019 home schedule is, except for the seven home games, I wonder if Whit gave any consideration to bundling 2019 and 2020 season tickets together with some sort of incentive for 2020. My hunch is Tech is going to struggle to move 2019 season tickets, which isn't great.

I was going to buy my first set of season tickets this year. Then I looked at the schedule. Gonna be way cheaper to purchase single game tickets on stub hub. Unless we pull off a miracle season i'd be shocked if any games are close to a true sell out.

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I highly doubt it because 2020 is a reseating year.

Oh man...this is the wet sock of schedules. Man, it's so boring.

Probably not worth the time fretting about it, but even if we were to win out against a schedule that would be imminently winnable for teams like the 2008-2011 VT teams, this one probably wouldn't have us in playoff discussion anyway.

If we were undefeated and beat Clemson in the ACCCG we would go to the playoff. Clemson's best win on their 13-0 start last season was over an A&M team that finished 8-4 in the regular season. If we went 13-0 this season it would mean we beat Notre Dame and (almost certainly) Clemson.

Now this discussion is ultimately meaningless outside of a dream world where we get to control the outcome of football games.

Clemson's best win on their 13-0 start last season was over an A&M team that finished 8-4 in the regular season.

That might be true, but they were absolutely demolishing the rest of their opponents. Other than the Syracuse game, where Lawrence was knocked out of the game, they beat every other opponent by at least 20 points. Even if the competition wasn't great, that's outrageous!

They were clearly one of the best teams in the country, regardless of the weak SOS.

I'm not disagreeing with any part of that. Clemson had a strong SOR because of how well they dominated the weak teams they were playing for the most part. I am saying we won't be left out of the playoff as an undefeated conference champion with wins over Notre Dame and (probably) Clemson, no matter how weak the schedule is.

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I love it. The last Friday in September we have Duke and then we fire up the motor-coach and head down to Miami in prime time hurricane season and then back home to Lane. That sounds like a plan.

What will be the highest capacity game on the schedule? It seems like there's more traction right now behind Duke than anything else among the fanbase
Likewise would that game be the most expensive?

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I've already requested time off for the Duke game. My manager, an NCSU grad, rolled her eyes and put it on the calendar. Then glared at me and asked why the NCSU schedule hasn't been finalized yet, she only has dates for the first 4 games. I'm pretty sure she's wrong, but I just shrugged and waltzed out.

"Because basketball starts in November, duh."

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I mean, she's a long-time season ticket holder to NCSU football, so she gets it. Buuuuuut we live in Raleigh, so travel is not necessary for her. I just wanted to have first crack at having that day off, and requesting it 9 months in advance seems like a good way to do that!

Joke's on her, NC State's schedule was released at the exact same time as ours.

Rhode Island for Home Coming?
Duke for Maroon effect? (We have to stop doing OE at night, and given this is Friday...)
Furman for Military?
ODU for Orange?

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Duke, UNC, Miami and Pitt all with a bye week before our game so every Coastal opponent except for GT gets an extra week of prep. I'm fine with the annual Friday game with UVA but Friday games hosting potential recruits isn't super easy considering they are playing on that day as well. Swofford is a F'ING joke! His alma mater didn't get a Friday game, how convenient!

Matty Ballgame

I know a lot of people are upset with the lack of exciting home games this year, but we're a team right now that just needs to win games. We can start to get whiny about who we play once we get to a level of actually being able to compete against other good teams again.

I agree with you, but as a season ticket holder, driving 3.5 hours to see division 2 teams is losing its luster. I love going to games in Blacksburg, but the schedule is garbage. I hope we can get our groove back soon. Rhode Island is just not making me get excited as a fan. Competition makes you better, even if you are getting sent to the wood shed.

This is the fair complaint. I feel bad for season ticket holders who make a substantial money/time commitment to show up to all/most home games when we have a home slate like this.

That said, every ACC team goes through this.

Yeah, but I'd rather see wins over Furman and Rhode Island instead of losses to anybody, especially the way we were losing games this past year.

I went to the big games at Lane in 2014 (Miami), 2015 (OSU), 2017 (Clemson). I got tired of seeing losses. So I opted to go to the W&M game in 2018. Good thing, because I wouldn't have seen a win with any of the other games I was considering.

I certainly understand that aspect of it. This is my first year living outside of the area since my freshman year (13 or so years) and I'm still deciding whether or not to buy season tickets. If there were a marquee game on the schedule then I may be more inclined to buy them but honestly I don't know.

I look at it this way, I'm not going to the game to watch the other team. I'm going to the game to cheer for Virginia Tech. Now I'm a student so that point may not hold as much weight, but my parents have brought me to a game every year since I was 6 months old. May not remember every opponent but spending time with family and friends was the experience.

Coming back to the States after 3 years abroad this September. Looking forward to attending a game!

11-1: and I donate 1K to the Athletics Department
10-2: and I'm ecstatic
9-3: and I'm pleasantly surprised but not shocked by any means
8-4: meh, probably what I expected, maybe a little disappointed
7-5: barely making a bowl game pisses me off but you can talk me out of burning it to the ground
6-6: big changes have to happen, like now and I've become an alcoholic
5-7 or worse: I've given up on football and am pursuing New Age religion to find inner peace

edit: 12-0: and I get a case of beer for everyone who legs this post.

Good scale.

I don't like beer but you get a leg anyway.

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I'll gladly accept your case, please and thank you.

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Mich Ultra for me. I'm on a diet.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

If you dont think I'm screenshotting this and saving it for January 2020 just for a nice cold brewski, you are hilariously mistaken

They'll really get after ya

I'm good for it.

You can wait til January if you want, but I'm calling it in Nov 30 if we are 12-0! Youbetcha.

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Is the schedule winnable? Yeah.

But color me very worried about starting the year at Boston College and then immediately playing the school that gave us arguably the most embarrassing loss in program history. What a nightmare that first week between games is going to be if we drop the first one.

Boston College - Returns 1 OL, 1 TE, RB, QB, 1 WR from their offense. Potentially 3 sophomores could start next year on Oline. There D returns 1 DL, 1 LB, and 1 CB. They might have the best offensive player in the ACC, but they are losing a lot of their starters. Off/Def returns: 5/3

ODU - Back up QB is gone, Huge RB is gone, #7 and #9 are gone, TE is gone, C and RT gone, DL gone, FS and SS gone. O/D returns: 3/4

Duke - WRs gone, QB gone, Left side of OL gone, TE gone. MLB gone. O/D returns: 4/10

Miami - Has QB issues and I'm not sold on their transfer from anOSU. O/D returns: 7.5/9

UNC - Mack can do less with more. Fedora is great at less with more, but Mack now has less than Fedora had a few years ago. O/D: 10/8

ND - eh, they have talent waiting, they are going to be tough to beat

Wake - interior OL is gone. Dortch is good. O/D: 6/5

GT - new system so who knows who will start but O/D: 6/3

Pitt - Running backs are gone!!!!! O line only retains the LG!!! O/D: 5/6

UVA - O/D: 6/7 I am most worried about this, but if they couldn't beat us this year, well ...

Our off/def returning is 7/10.

I really think that UVA, Miami, and Duke are the biggest issues (i'm just count ND as a loss). The rest lose a lot of players. UNC returns a lot, but they don't have the talent they had 2-3 years ago. Wake, GT, Pitt, and BC are 7 win teams that have to replace at least half their starters.

I think 8-4 is easy with this schedule. I think 9-3 is a solid year and a 10-2 season is expected if Bud can get the defense playing like everyone expects (and knowing how to make in game changes).

Dortch is gone from Wake.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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What? Why? He was a Soph last year

Redshirt sophomore. He declared for the draft back in December.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Awesome I missed that. He was really good.

Wow. Not sure he's an nfl guy. And I thought he was a Tr-Soph.

I'm withholding judgment until TheFifthFuller tells me what to think.

There's really no excuse for losing more than 2 games. In year 4, with this schedule, a fully competent P5 caliber coaching staff should have a 10 win floor and could be looking at 11 or even 12 wins. If VT doesn't manage 10 wins in 2019 then I think it's unfair to ever expect this staff to compete for ACC championships and play off berths

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I hate to be that guy, but I already see it coming with two FCS teams on the schedule. If we only win 7 games, it's heralded as improvement and all is good in Blacksburg. I've had season tickets for four years straight now and will not buy for this year. Don't care how you want to spin it, it's a garbage schedule. Excuses will wear very thin this time next year.

Yeah I'm not sure if this staff gets off scott free with only 7 wins. Might depend a bit on how we get there. It gets much harder to justify changes if they manage 8 or 9 wins though. Which is what I expect. It will be really hard for people to really call for any changes if they go 8-4 or better and a vocal contingent of the fan base will promise everyone that 2020 is still the special year.

But to be completely honest, if this staff can't manage 10 wins with this team and this schedule they just won't be able to produce that "special year" in 2020 or 2021 or any other year.

I haven't seen anything from these current coaches to suggest that they can compete with Clemson and if they don't take care of business in 2019 I don't know that they ever will. The ACC, Clemson aside, has been down the last couple years and we haven't been able to take advantage. 2019 is prime with 3 new coaches in the coastal alone. This is the year to win the division because beyond 2019 GT, Miami and UNC all figure to continue getting better. The ACC Coastal will be harder to win in 2020 than in 2019. If these coaches can't do it in 2019 I'm not sure they'll ever win it.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I'm not in the camp of people who think we can compete with Clemson in 2020 or 2021 regardless of how this season goes. They are playing in a different sandbox than us right now, and that isn't likely to change in two or three years.

Is it basketball season yet?

I agree completely. But if we ever do want to compete with them we need to have a coaching staff that can easily win 10 games next year. If our current coaches can't manage that then I don't think they'll ever be able to compete with Clemson. And at VT, a football school, the expectation should be to compete for conference titles. I don't think we'll get there in the next 3 years either (especially with our recruiting) but I can guarantee you that we won't ever get there with this staff if they can't manage 10 wins against a very easy schedule in 2019.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Anything less than 💯 points on ODU I'll consider a loss. #revenge #saltyasfuck #killemall

There are wolves and there are sheep, I am the sheep dog

Not gonna lie, I feel the same way, but I think 11 touchdowns to make a 77 burger would nice. No punts, no field goals. Ok. 1 field goal. 80 points.

Fun fact: Wake Forest and UNC are playing a non-conference game against each other. #goacc interdivisonal crossovers.

This home schedule is a direct result of the awful way the ACC has done conference and cross divisions scheduling. As for the two FCS games Whit didn't have a choice if we really were not going to travel to ECU.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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This home schedule is a direct result of the awful way the ACC

This was all you needed to say. Everything else is superfluous.

Maaaaaaaan after some of the stories that has come out about the actions of their CIO, we need to drop Liberty from our future schedules ASAP.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

I think most folks were on this bandwagon like 3 Liberty scandals ago.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

So, last month?

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Its the gift that keeps on giving

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Speaking of keeps giving, anyone know if the Commonwealth Cup page did the 10-year challenge?

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And some of us were on this bandwagon without taking the scandals into the equation. I just don't want to play them.

But is this good for VT and the ACC?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I pity whoever has to play ODU the week before ND.

um, that'd be LOLUVa and they should never have your sympathy.

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That just means it's multi-layered sarcasm instead of the simple version.

And we should keep doing that as a conference until ND nuts up and joins the ACC.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Yup. Fuck'em. Either join the conference for real or stfu.

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New Sigline: lol it's football season.

easiest schedule I've seen in years. Not even a tough patch of acc games to go through. Maybe Duke Miami, only other option is Pitt, GT, UVA....but still not really with all the change that's occurring in the league.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Wrong thread.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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"Cross threaded? Pshhh, not to an impact gun!"

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

Just got an email from HokieSports asking me to buy season tickets. Raise your hand if you were excited by this graphic:

Put your hand down, liar.

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The FIghting Paladins are pretty scrappy....

Me thinking about the excitement level of our home schedule this year.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

We are just going to have to make our own exciting at the tailgate. You are usually good for some sort of excitement or entertainment.

I never said the Tailgates wouldn't be fun.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

Lot 18 is always fun!

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

2019, the year it doesn't matter if you black out and can't remember the home game. Just remember the tailgate.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

But it is football! I am always excited about football (well except when I am forced to watch the Patriots---especially in the Super Bowl again...)

Football Season= Food+Friends (Framily)+ Fun

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Raises hand - I don't see ECU on that schedule.

Agreed, looks like a division 2 schedule- sure hope we don't play down to our level of opponent.... just bought our season tickets, but it sure was uninspiring to do so.

Definitely underwhelming but maybe all Wins!

maybe all Wins

Let's see... that gives us a floor of 8-4, so I'd take it.

I raised my hand.
We get a revenge game against ODU to open the season.
We get a game against Furman for all the freshmen hoping to prove they shouldn't be redshirted. We should see everybody play.
Coach Cut is a good coach and will have Duke ready to play. This should be a good final tune up game before the meet of the schedule.
I did some undergraduate work at Rhode Island and this will be a nice break for the team. Not to mention another chance to see the benchwarmers play. Always a good thing for them to play in front of a good crowd.
UNC - Who knows what they will look like next year.
Wake Forest is getting better, not to mention revenge for the last time we played them.
Pitt - I want to crush them for vengeance, grind them into paste and hopefully crush their hopes of a bowl game.