National Communists Against Athletes

With Brock Hoffman's appeal for immediate eligibility being denied by the NCAA, there's a lot to not talk about.

[Virginia Tech Athletics]

Let's, for just a second, not talk about the fact that Brock Hoffman's mom had a non-cancerous brain tumor removed, leaving her with paralysis, deafness, and vision problems on one side of her face.

Let's not think about how difficult the last two years have been for the Hoffman family. Or how terrifying those unknown moments before and after the surgery likely were.

Let's not talk about how awful it must have been for an 18-year-old kid who had just left home for the first time, only to learn that his mom had a tumor near her brain stem. Or how conflicted he must have felt being four hours away from home, yet having a financial obligation (read, scholarship) to stay that far away.

Let's also not talk about how a plethora of other players, simply in search for playing time, hopped from one power five school to another without fear of retribution from an increasingly inconsistent NCAA.

While we're at it, let's also not talk about the fact that one of the original reasons that the NCAA denied Hoffman's request for eligibility was that his family lived five miles outside of the "appropriate" 100-mile radius of Blacksburg. It also doesn't seem that we should we talk about what appropriate means, who decided it, and why 105 miles makes caregiving any different than 100.

And last, but certainly not least, let's not talk about the NCAA's other reason for initially denying Hoffman's request, that his family didn't provide sufficient documentation to prove his mother's medical condition and her dependency on her son. Because it's certainly out of character for the NCAA to have the organizational ineptitude to call a sick mother a liar.

That would never happen.

What we should talk about, however, is the reason they allegedly denied him this time.

He did not transfer quickly enough. After his mom's initial tumor diagnosis.

We can't even get hung up on the fact that they're basically calling the Hoffmans liars again โ€” because if she really was so sick, the statement implies, then why didn't he go be by her side then? โ€” because we should really break down the logic of this statement.

In 2017, Brock Hoffman is a two-star offensive lineman whose best two scholarship offers come from Coastal Carolina and Georgia Southern. He heads down to play his freshman season for the Chanticleers just as his mom is diagnosed with a brain tumor.

Let's say he wants to stop there and immediately transfer somewhere to be closer to his family. Where's he going to go? This 18-year-old wants to play Division I college football, and he just barely made it happen. He's realizing a dream.

As a two-star guy, there's no school closer to home that will give him a scholarship. And since that's the only form of financial compensation offered by the NCAA, he's very obviously tethered to the university giving him a full ride. Because what's he going to do, give up a full scholarship as his family wracks up nearly a million dollars in medical bills?

No way. So what does he do instead?

He waits. And works. And plays. And studies. All while his mom has surgery, goes through recovery, and attempts to go back to her job as a teacher (again, medical bills).

And after two whole years of this, two years of hard work, pain, and adversity, what happened?
Hoffman did well enough in both the field and the classroom to earn a scholarship offer to an ACC institution.

One that not only put him closer to his family, but was the final validation that all of his hard work and sacrifice was worth it. A former two-star player who decided between offers from Coastal Carolina and Georgia Southern worked his ass off to play amongst college football's elite.

Isn't Hoffman's story often a model of what the NCAA strives to represent? A hardworking student athlete who not only achieves his goals on multiple levels, but is still an upstanding son who wants to help take care of his mom.

That's a Tom Rinaldi College GameDay segment if I've ever heard one.

But, no.

Instead, the NCAA would just rather not talk about it.

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Shouldn't the experience of the student athlete come first? The NCAA has missed the mark. Self serving organizations easily forget their mission.

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This is exactly the story that should be reported on everywhere. Thank you for putting into words what I was (kinda sorta) thinking.

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Brian, thanks for the logical breakdown of why this is a senseless and heartless decision by the NCAA. We all get so pissed we sometimes lose our ability to keep this perspective up front. Thanks for reminding us why we are all human beings. Brock Hoffman deserves more. His character has already shown how tough he and his family are.
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The Hokie fanbase will not forget this, the Nolley situation, or the waiver train that happened before him.
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Win. The. Whole. Fucking. Thing.

The shit of it is, if we do win the whole fucking thing, Brock will see it from the stands.

We'll just have to do it back to back years.

If you play it, they will win.

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Copied from my post over on 247:

Just walk into the game against BC with Brock Hoffman leading the team out of the tunnel & suited up as a giant middle finger to the NCAA. Let's be realistic here. VT may have a very good season, we could go 10-2 or even 11-1. But if we're honest, there's about a 0.1% chance we make it to the playoff. So who cares if we lose the bowl streak. I'd much rather stand up to the NCAA than go to another meaningless bowl game. We would get a crazy amount of publicity & support for sticking up to them. Who cares if they take away a few wins this season. Someone needs to stand up, why not us? What are they gonna do, deny Burmeister's appeal as well? We already know that's happening anyway. Fuck the NCAA.

I dunno. I'd like a chance at the ACC Championship game.

I think we can be harshly critical of them without forfeiting games.

Also a bowl game is a revenue generator for us, regardless of how prestigious of a bowl it is.

I think you'd see fundraising have a significant increase if we chose this battle. People love to support it when you tell 'the man' to go fuck itself. Both UNC and Penn St saw a spike in alumni and fan giving when they battled the NCAA, and I suspect you'd see the same with us, likely more than offsetting whatever bowl revenue we may miss out on this year.

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I'll donate by halftime if Brock Hoffman is on the field on Saturday.

They donate more if you win games, go to championships, and play in bowl games.

You win more games if recruits believe the head coach will go to any length to fight for them.

You don't win more games by going to war against the NCAA.

You just contribute to the distraction-level and nonsense.

By the way, I'm not against taking the NCAA to task publicly. But playing an ineligible player isn't the right way to do it.

Better than either of those two examples, we'd actually have "right" on our side. Even if we're in violation of some damn rule or another, still better than sticking up for either made-up classwork or hiding a pedophile.

Here, here!

You know what...FUCK IT!!!

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I don't know if I want Virginia Tech to be the school that starts the revolution against the NCAA by publicly telling them to fuck off and dare them to punish us for doing what's right. I don't know if I want us to deal with shitstorm that would kick up.

But you better fucking believe they'll have my undivided support if they decide to go down this path.

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The Japanese have the expression along the lines of "The nail that sticks out gets hammered". It would be a big risk to be the only one that sticks out our neck, but I would fine joining up to a class action lawsuit.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

I'm sure if we reached out to schools like Miami, UNC, Penn St, Southern Cal, SMU, etc, we'd find enough people willing to tell the NCAA to go fuck itself that we could get a class action suit underway.

I honestly would not be shocked if the Power 5 splits away from the NCAA in full within the next 10 years to form its own organization. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened, yet.

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no one wants to rock the money train

Conversely, the nail that sticks out is also the one that slices your fucking foot open.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Or, you notice it before that happens.

Either way, that nail gets sledgehammered or removed.

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But seriously, the worst the NCAA could do is forfeit our wins this season. Honestly, if it proves a point and shines a brilliant spotlight on their hypocrisy, I am fine with it.

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If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Oh, I think you can make an issue out of this just by pointing it out.

This is a ridiculous decision. And then Tennessee gets their five star lineman transfer - was there even a reason given? Because it didn't show up in the press releases.

Don't know why someone downvoted you. I evened you out.

We're disagreeing right now, but ain't nothing wrong with this comment.

If you play it, they will win.

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Thanks.

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Fuck it, I'm in.

We just experienced the worst season in 30 years. It's Bud's last year. The locker room last year/this off season was clearly a toxic place. Fuente has to win, and win now.

Go renegade, have Fuente get on camera and tell Mark Emmert what's what.

Get a live mic in front of Bud Foster after a game and let him tear the NCAA a new one.

God bless Frank Beamer but we don't need to be Hillsville polite on this one. I want some rage.

It'll never happen, but you bet your sweet ass I'd get behind it.

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^^^This.

I think we are severely underestimating the impact of Frank Beamer throwing a, "Gosh darnit," in the NCAA's direction.

If you play it, they will win.

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Come on, its 2019, get with the times. Its #FtheNCAA

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This is so well thought out with dozens of great points. I couldn't agree more with everything you wrote.

I rarely get upset or angry about these sorts of situations as there are normally so many different points of view and insights it's rarely black and white.

This situation is one that is so poorly done by the NCAA I am just f'ing pissed. The worse part is the rationale. Brock being eligible sets no precedent - how many kids will be in his situation? It's just illogical and unjust, which was the purpose of the ncaa - helping institutions apply just principles for a fair environment for all. How goes this support that mission?

I am not in any way trying to poke holes in this as I have been just as pissed with this ordeal as everyone else, but does the denial of eligibility mean he is not on scholarship? He is still in Blacksburg correct? Just wanted to make sure he's actually closer to his family right now and I don't know a ton about the new transfer rules.

He's at VT, and on scholarship.

You just won't see him on the field - he'll redshirt.

He has a scholarship and is closer to his family which are the two most important things. The big issue is the uneven application of the apparently fluid transfer rules. Other players have transferred with flimsy reasoning other than the clear desire to get playing time and been granted immediate eligibility as a result of the "hardship" suffered at the previous school. Hoffman's case for immediate eligibility has a clear hardship and has been met with a full scrutiny and series of roadblocks by the NCAA and ultimately denied. Be happy this guy can be closer to home and support his family, be absolutely fucking pissed about the asinine and baseless application of the transfer "rules".

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

They changed the transfer policy where they wouldn't be so lenient on transfer requests based on coaching changes in June.

Yes, they literally changed their own policies in the middle of the transfer window and immediately applied the new policies to requests that were submitted under the old ones. So even though guys like Martell got the waiver because his coach retired, Hoffman was going to be denied for the same reason. In the same transfer window.

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This alone shows the absolute lack of common sense at the NCAA. How - HOW could something like this 'tightening' of rules occur in the middle of an active transfer 'season'?

For fucks sake - my 18 month old daughter knows not to skip to the next song when Baby Shark is playing!

Oh I know, hence why I called the rules fluid. The NCAA is really playing a dangerous game with their timing and not establishing a transfer window that could be used to mark cycles of rules/policies. I am completely in the camp that players should have the same freedom of movement as the coaches, but I would have been fine if the they allowed transfers up the start of the season and as soon as the national championship game ended.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Changing it in the middle of one off-season is absolutely ridiculous.

And this is why college athletics needs to have a players union.

Literally nobody cares about them. Nobody is looking out for the players.

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Applicant: "Someone racially slurred me!"

NCAA - "Here's your waiver, snowflake!"

Applicant: "My mom has significant, ongoing health issues"

NCAA - "You're 5 miles outside the distance limit", and then "Sorry, you waited too long to ask.", and also "She's still capable of holding down a job, so how much of a concern can it really be?"

Just fyi, those two wrongs aren't mutually exclusive. Being a student facing racism and having a sick mom don't work against one another, and neither should be a burden on student athletes (or anyone for that matter). Let's not.

Agreed.

I totally agree. I mean, if the kid is in a racist hostile environment, both he and his sister should totally be granted immediate eligibility to transfer. Where did his sister end up?

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Just fyi, those two wrongs aren't mutually exclusive. Being a student facing racism and having a sick mom don't work against one another, and neither should be a burden on student athletes (or anyone for that matter). Let's not.

Hey, it was a joke, but you make a good point. If it's genuinely a racially hostile environment, I could see it. Is there racism at the University of Georgia that makes that a hostile environment? I don't think so. If there were, there would be a LOT more people in the portal from UGA.

But while we're playing devil's advocate, though, why wouldn't you give BOTH kids a waiver?

I'm mocking the arbitrary nature of NCAA waivers, not the hardships college students go through.

The scholarship argument is just about time. Why didn't he transfer in 2017? Because there wasn't another scholarship closer to home.

Well said, Brian! I can think of another reason.

Acoustic neuromas by definition involve at least the 8th cranial nerve, and often the 5th, 7th, and 12th. The recovery process from cranial nerve damage is typically measured in months, even years. With any tumor, especially one the size of Mrs. Hoffman's, it's virtually impossible to predict the extent or duration of the damage. I've known some patients who resumed normal activity after a few weeks, a couple who did not survive surgery, and everything you can imagine in between. The point is, The Hoffman family had no way of knowing in 2017 what kind of support Mrs. Hoffman would need, or how long she would need it.

One example from my own experience as an AN patient: Just today, I completed my last session of vision therapy (yay!), and I'm eight years post-op. The vision impairment didn't even present until a few years after surgery, an apparent result of the brain getting its signals crossed as it tried to compensate for the hearing and balance loss. The problem came on gradually, and it took several false starts with various specialists to even diagnose the cause, further delaying treatment. The therapy itself has taken two years, and while I have regained much of my depth perception, they tell me that further recovery is unlikely. No one could have foreseen this particular complication, so long after the diagnosis.

One of the difficulties with acoustic neuroma is its rarity. With an annual diagnosis rate of only one case per 100,000, most people are unfamiliar with the condition, including members of the medical profession. In my case, the tumor was initially misdiagnosed by both the radiologist who read the original MRI and the neurologist who ordered it. So I'm not really surprised that the NCAA blew it initially. The fact that they blew it a second time, with all the supporting information provided by the Hoffmans, simply defies comprehension.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

He's on scholarship, but look at it this way: say he needs two years on the field to have a chance at the NFL. You've now just bumped back his career by a year and that means he's that much further from being able to help his family with medical bills. This kid is not a shoe-in for the NFL, he probably wouldn't be in a position to declare early after a year. If he was, say, a 5* QB going to a big school, not only would he have gotten the waiver, but he would be in a position to start making money sooner, too. Ironic, huh?

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Your calm, level headed view has made me even more angry.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Athletes getting grades from classes that literally don't exist to stay eligible? Out of their jurisdiction, there is literally nothing they can do to punish that.

Player gets passed on depth chart and coach leaves? Transfer waiver granted because he is clearly going through a personal hardship with such troubling times.

Player gets a high score on the ACT? Declare player ineligible because he's clearly too stupid to have done that and obviously cheated.

The intricate healing process of a person with brain cancer and their ability to financially deal with such occurrence? Ignore hundreds of documents from family physicians and rule player ineligible because they're clearly fabricating the story.

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The NCAA loves to point out the fact that they cant get paid because they are STUDENT-athletes. Funny, If you have the grades what other Students are barred from transferring anywhere they want, whenever they want without penalty?

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Since when can students not get paid thought? Library pays students to work, Deets paid students to work, lots of places on campus pay students to work.

I'm pretty sure we just paid our summer intern from VT a decent amount of money over the last few months. Good thing that person wasn't an athlete.

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The caveat is that the university bookstore doesn't recruit students to come "work" for them. If bookstore workers had revenue potential to the university, somehow the NCAA would find a way to control that too.

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None of this is surprising by the NCAA or given the general culture in higher education. I've consulted with 40 of the top 50 universities in the country over the past 10-years, and all of them have major flaws with decision-making, common sense, and business acumen. This leads to poor decisions, no clear processes/procedures, toxic internal politics, and a loose regard for the mission/vision they put out to the public.

The NCAA feels like a business because it makes money but it isn't. It is a mutant organization birthed out of the higher education culture run by politically driven "academic" dolts. A large portion of academia is filled with self-important, self-interested, and egotistical "experts." Mark Emmert is an academic and former University President, and given that - expecting the NCAA to make sense will be wishful thinking until the end of time. Why doesn't the NCAA make accomplished former players or coaches the President vs. academics?

Because then, the interest of the players may actually come first.

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I think as fans we need to demand from Whit and President Sands that a firm statement against NCAA is in order. None of this soft, weak, "we are disappointed" BS. I'm not even asking for any action, just make some noise and make a strong and firm statement in support of the Hoffman Family.

Also, I haven't heard this discussed anywhere, but shouldn't the ACC be acting on behalf of their member institutions in these situations. Has the ACC made any statement about Hoffman's initial request and appeal? Have they made any statements or been involved in any other transfers to an ACC school?

Whit has let the NCAA walk all over us in three rather high profile transfer/eligibility cases. Nolley, Hoffman, and Burmeister. Whit needs to do something about this in my opinion. The ACC should be assisting and helping push back against the NCAA.

Would be shocked if something came from Sands. Company man.

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While I agree wholeheartedly, you realize you are asking for our conference which is headed up by John Swofford to formally say something to the NCAA???

This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia.

It's unfortunate for certain. The NCAA is what it is. I'd fully support disbanding it, the Power 5 going to their own organization and leaving, etc. This kid should have been granted the chance to play.

That said, as others noted, he's not an NFL shoe-in right now. No telling how much playing time he'd have gotten for certain this season as well. A redshirt year in the weight room and in practice to develop more might lead to better performance after this season and a better shot at an NFL paycheck. It might prove beneficial for him in the long run. Hopefully this turns into a lemonade from lemons story.

his family needs money now. They need a path that gets him potentially playing at the NFL level sooner rather than later.

The NCAA just delayed this process by a year during a period of time when the family has already racked up around $500k in medical bills over the previous 2 years. In any other situation, I'd agree, but this one is different. If he's good enough to get into the NFL, even as a backup or practice squad player, he needs that paycheck sooner rather than later.

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At first blush, I thought the NCAA statement made a modicum of sense until Joe eloquently pointed out that Brock didn't have the option to transfer to a closer institution in 2017. Dudeman was a 2-star 18-year-old prospect two years ago with scholarship offers only from two slapdick programs that were far away from home. Dudeman didn't want to have his parents pay for school (because medical bills) or take on loans to be a walk on (because loans suck).

I hope they sue.

Excellent article Brian! We have at least two sports journalists on this board and one who says he is somewhat connected to the guy that did the SI puff piece. Lets see how many of them step up to the plate like you just did.

Edit: Bitter at bat and hits a homerun as well. Good on him

I wonder how long the NCAA has been sitting on this decision. I don't think Its coincidence they waited until just a few days before we get full slate of games to release this. They want this story to get lost in the week 1 excitement. Hell if we weren't opening on the road they would have probably waited until Thursday to give their decision.

But Aubrey Solomon gets his waiver approved...

Was there even a reason given?

This is a user comment from SaturdaydownSouth, but better than I could say it:

robb4242 said: Just pure stupidity by the NCAA. These 2 players had legitimate reasons to transfer and are denied, but anybody that wants to transfer because they couldn't earn a starting spot and the NCAA turns in to Oprah....You get a transfer with immediate eligibility...and you get a transfer with immediate eligibility...and you get a transfer with immediate eligibility.

They either need to deny everyone, or accept everyone, but this arbitrary decision-making is nonsense. How can an ailing mom be a lesser reason than some of these other rationales for waivers?

We keep lumping Communists in with the NCAA like this, they may start to get a bad name

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I wonder how long it will take for schools to realize that the only way you should deal with the NCAA is through lawyers. They desperately don't want this whole athletics model to be put in front of a court because it will fail. They have shown that they are a bad faith actor in these types of things so there is no point in believing anything they say. Maybe through some discovery we could find out how they have been making these decisions and if they are as arbitrary as they seem.

Spot on. Kids should be mirandized and highly encouraged to speak to a lawyer before talking to anyone representing the NCAA.

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NOT trying to turn this in to a political thing, but we (the state of Virginia) have Robby Scott who is the state's rep to the house from Virginia's 3rd district.... he is the Chairman for the House Committee on Education and Workforce, and the NCAA falls under their umbrella. Shall we start sending his office our opinions on the matter?

YES! Bombard his office with calls too.

Really glad I took FAU at Ohio State (+27) and I'm sure Justin Fields is a nice enough guy....but fuck them, LET'S GO OWLS!!!!

I know this is besides the point, but with the rules for redshirting, could he still play 4 games this year even though he's "ineligible"?

Nope

That's what I figured. Thanks

No. The whole ineligible part negates the 4 game redshirt rule.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Only if VT wants to forfeit those 4 games.
This is not a normal redshirt.
An ineligible player cannot play in any games.

Meanwhile two more transfers out of Michigan were granted waivers with no reasons provided for transfers.

Oliver Martin:

Myles Sims: https://ramblinwreck.com/sims-granted-immediate-eligibility-by-ncaa/

I don't think players should have to provide reasons to the media and really we should stop comparing other players success to Brocks issues. But it is frustrating that so many people are still getting waivers to play and the ones we do know about have been ridiculous reasons compared to Brocks.

I don't care if they have reasons or they are disclosed, but the NCAA requires them. So as long as reasons must be given, we should absolutely keep comparing Brock's circumstance to others, because we're basically being told that his situation is less worthy of a waiver than theirs. Given his circumstances, I find that extremely difficult to believe (even if they have perfectly legit reasons....so does he). The full magnitude of their hypocrisy and incompetence should be noted over and over again until somebody finally decides that enough is enough, and really pushes back.

Just for the sake of proper discourse, does any one want to take a crack as devil's advocate?

HIS MOM HAD A BRAIN TUMOR. That's all you need to know. There is not another side to this story.

Sure, just because his mom had a brain tumor this thing should just fly right through.

*Actually, that's exactly what should happen.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Sure I'll do it...

Brock's appeal was denied. Why?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

We shouldn't feel bound by any particular need to be proper on this one.

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I'm just interested in hearing it. I think that typically emotions prevent people from looking at both sides, although in this case I'm 100% in favor of Brock, but I like to step back sometimes and evaluate if my reasoning is rational. Didn't know if there was any logic I was missing to the NCAAs ruling or not.

I'll do it. He wanted to go to a school outside the 100 mile radius they dictated. He also submitted it much later than they dictated. Not saying that their shouldn't be an exception, but they kinda followed the guidelines they laid out.

I don't know man, the NCAA gave Justin Fields a waiver for having a hostile, racist environment affect him. I'm all for that as a reason. It's good to know that him and his sister were able to leave UGA because I'm sure no parent would want just one of their children suffering at such a despicable place.

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I really don't see how that's relevant. He felt threatened and left, she did not and stayed. People perceive things differently. I don't mind walking home at night alone for miles, I have friends that don't feel comfortable alone and get a ride. Just because someone takes advantage of the rules doesn't mean that they are able to be broken by others.

You are correct that the two different people could have different experiences and opinions and there is no reason not to take Fields' application as truthful. The problem is in comparing the NCAA's handing of the two cases.

Hoffman Case was denied due to: If it is such a problem, why didn't you leave Coastal Carolina sooner?
Hoffman Case was denied due to: If it is such a problem, why does your Mom still go to work?

Fields Case was not denied due to: If it is such a problem, why is your family member still a student there?

Fields is not the problem, just the evidence that the NCAA is.

These type of comments are not a good look.

As already pointed out in this thread or another one, this isn't a zero sum game. Fields' transfer doesn't affect the merits of Brock's transfer.

Tearing Fields and his family down doesn't help Brock's situation and only reflects poorly on us.

The point is that if one person can transfer, everyone else should be able to transfer (especially when your mother happens to have a fucking brain tumor). It all boils down to fairness. It's simple.

I'm not saying this is a zero sum game. I'm actually in favor of all students getting one free transfer. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in this system where star athletes are given rubber stamped waivers. The NCAA is making decisions with nothing but money in their hearts and mind.

These type of comments are not a good look.

Critical comments aren't good looks? Comments that punch cannonball sized holes in arguments and logic aren't good looks? I never said that I don't think Fields should play, I heavily implied I thought his waiver was a steaming pile of horseshit.

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I heavily implied I thought his waiver was a steaming pile of horseshit.

And it's not a good look

Just for the sake of proper discourse, does any one want to take a crack as devil's advocate?

Isn't it obvious? Brock's initial appeal got denied because of the letter of the law and then Brock publicly called out the NCAA on a tweet that went viral.

I think if Brock didn't send that initial tweet, the NCAA would have granted him the waiver. The NCAA has a history of being vindictive over people that publicly humilate them.

Yeah that is probably it. Just wanted to know if anyone had a different thought on it.

Oh this is a great! My wife hates it when I do this.

1. His mom had a non cancerous tumor removed 2 years ago with some residual effects but not to the degree that she is disabled. I'm sure it's life altering and a challenging life situation for the family, I truly do. It sucks. But having a mom have medical problem that sucks isn't the criteria for the waiver. If so, anyone with poorly controlled diabetes would be able to transfer. I'm not even sure having a parent become newly disabled should be enough given that disability can be given for numerous things.

2. Yes the waiver system was getting loose and needed to be corrected and more standardized, but as we all know the transfer portal is always open. There was no good time to do this.

3. He has to sit out a year. That's it. He still gets his scholarship. He still get to go to VT. He still goes to school. He still gets to be closer to his mom. He still gets to play 2 years of college football (it would have been 2 years with the waiver). The media makes it sound like we (NCAA) refused him to be at his moms side providing lifesaving care. Not a big deal.

4. Everyone has worked in or with a bureaucracy, it's everywhere. It's all about filling out the right paper work in the right order and giving it to the right person etc. He had a weak case in addition to filling out the wrong form that had a clear violation of the rule (>100 miles). At least give us a chance to do the right thing and check the right boxes! Now they have the nerve to say we are the bad guys? I just don't see it.

I'd also like to know who at the NCAA was involved in reviewing Brock's initial request and appeal. I can almost guarantee that someone involved has an affiliation with an ACC Coastal division school.

But we are talking about a center not a playmaker... A center transferring from 5-7 Coastal Carolina to 6-7 VT likely doesn't even make national news. I just can't see that.

I can.

UNC alumni are very bitter that VT came into this conference and had the success they though they should have had, especially when Beamer rejected them over us. There is still a vocal sentiment within their old guard that they'll stick it to us whenever possible because of it.

And it just so happens that school has flooded the NCAA offices with alumni.

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Completely unrelated, but someone told me yesterday there was some issue with Bruce Smith's last bowl game eligibility and VT got an injunction which pissed off the NCAA and they've been trying to screw us since. Anyone ever heard this before or is this just a bunch of bs? Sorry to dilute the OP conversation.

Could be true. There were issues with Bruce's last game and I do believe an injunction was required.

But we are talking about a center not a playmaker...

Brock Hoffman is actually Sam Rogers in disguise....

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Looks like we were wrong

By about 25 miles. Per the twitter profile of the person Brock's dad is openly calling out, the guy is affiliated with NC State, not UNC

I'm not surprised at all. Hands down, the worst away game experience I've ever had was at NCSU. Those fans hate us.

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I forget NC State exists sometimes.

Fuck 'em.

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Where are you seeing that Brock's Dad is calling him out?

NVM I see

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Hope everyone is at least retweeting this

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Why do NCST fans hate us? (Really asking)

VT is a similar school academically and has a way better looking campus.

Yet VT manages to be better than them in a ton of sports even though Blacksburg is in the middle of nowhere compared to Raleigh, which is the second biggest city in NC and one of the fastest growing in the nation.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

because they are all half-blooded ECU fans!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Without written rules, any NCAA decision on transfers can foster the opinion that they are arbitrary and capricious. You would think that their lawyers would advise them to have such written rules in order to keep from getting their holy hineys sued all the way to Sunday, but apparently not. I guess they figure "We're the NCAA, and we're gonna do what we want".

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

I just want to know how their mothers and wives felt about this decision?

If you play it, they will win.

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I know who my first call would be to...

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I don't know if it'll help other than to make more people realize how shitty the NCAA is but I thought up a way to try to get more national attention to this story; let's flood the Dan Le Batard show with links to the story and hope they pick it up. For those that don't know, The Dan Le Batard Show is ESPN's most popular radio show and anyone that knows Dan knows the loves taking on sticking it to the man type stories. This situation is right up his alley to rail against the NCAA. I could easily see Dan loving the idea of being the voice talking about how shitty the NCAA the same week that the rest of ESPN is talking about how awesome college football is. Below I included the twitter handles of people invovled with the show. It'd be awesome if the talked about it on their radio show, maybe even get on TV with Highly Questionable in the afternoon. So maybe just send them links to the initial story and a short explanation about how Hoffman got screwed over

https://twitter.com/LeBatardShow
https://twitter.com/MichaelRyanRuiz
https://twitter.com/roybelly
https://twitter.com/billygil

Oh hell effing yeah. SVP will do this right. Few better at ESPN than him

Few None better at ESPN than him

When is he on tonight?

Midnight. But "One Big Thing" is usually towards the end of the show so probably around 12:45. If you miss it, Stanford Steve usually puts them on Twitter the next morning.

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Regular approved or 800% approved?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'm happy Cam got approved, as it seems like he was in a similar situation, but I hate how the ncaa clearly shows which schools they care about, and which ones they don't. Overall, I feel like more people getting approved helps our argument.
Oh, and fuck the ncaa!

Te to qb

Kelly, a native of Chesapeake, Va., cited health issues with his mother and sister back home as the reason for his transfer.

But how long has his mother been sick? What about his sister? Have either or both improved since their initial diagnoses? Is his mother still working despite her health issues? How much money has the Kelly family spent on each of these illnesses? How far away is Chapel Hill, NC from Chesapeake, VA? Is it more than 100 miles?

~200 miles in between

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That's more than 100, right? Asking for Mark Emmert.

100 miles each for the mom and sister. #NCAAmath

198 miles according to GoogleMaps. How'd that happen?

GET. THE. FUCK. OUT. OF. HERE

could this get any more frustrating?

So if Kelly was approved due to family health issues, even though Chapel Hill is 200 miles away from his home, doesn't that ENTIRELY INVALIDATE THE REASON BROCK GOT REJECTED INITIALLY??? Cuz it was allegedly cuz he was 5 miles over the limit. But if that doesn't apply anymore, why should his initial waiver have been denied??

This is a shitty political title and goes against community guidelines.

Please explain the relevancy.

Edit: I get the reference but still disagree on the title. Have to agree to disagree on this one.

See below. It's a historical reference related to protesting perceived NCAA injustices. I even provided the link for your reference.

Nah man

Please provide your reasoning here, I'm interested to see how you could possibly think this. If you could please copy and paste from the community guidlines how you feel this article title is wrong I will gladly hear you out but don't just show up and drop a bomb like that without any amplifying information.

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Don't discuss politics or religion. There is negative connotation surrounding the NCAA with their decision regarding Hoffman. Putting a political philosophy in the title of a post in reference to an organization that is by no way political or have any relation to said philosophy goes against guidelines.

It's a historical reference to a prior event involving a college football player and his grievance with the NCAA. Not a discussion of politics. Thank you, and have a nice day.

Honestly, I didn't know that before right now. I agree with Smitty.

If this title is ok, I'll just start ripping clown shoes in the Oval Office in all my titles but not the thread itself

Don't go there. That would be an obvious CG violation based on the intent of the rule. Brian is referring to a similar and relevant historical situation. Don't get into actual politics. Just because the word "communist" is involved doesn't inherently violate the guidelines.

Well, now you know, and the title *still* isn't related to discussing politics. So that solves that.

So by calling the IN SEE DUBLE EH communists we are giving communists a bad name or the IN SEE DUBLE EH a bad name?

โ€œTHE CUP IS GOING NOWHERE MIKEY!!! THEY DID IT SOMEHOW!!โ€

Considering its not the the 1960's and the red scare isn't going on anymore... You know what this would be me breaking community guidelines.

Alright kiddo. If you don't want to break community guidlines I understand. My twitter handle is in my profile info, I'll gladly have a conversation with you outside of this medium if you'd like.

โ€œTHE CUP IS GOING NOWHERE MIKEY!!! THEY DID IT SOMEHOW!!โ€

Sit the next few plays out.

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Regardless of how you feel about it, using a political reference in a title seems like a poor choice.

We can spare each other the "but it's a reference". Communist has one implication and one implication only (and it's not even remotely applied correctly in this instance).Frankly I am surprised a content contributor to the site would go that route, and that people would be ok with it

It's a reference to the Tweet Brock sent which in itself is a reference to a shirt The Boz made.

We can spare each other the "but it's a reference". Communist has one implication and one implication only (and it's not even remotely applied correctly in this instance).

Hmm... So, you think it's not a reference and that the term communist used here literally means a government that forces everyone to commune. I'm not sure I follow. Please explain how:

(a) this isn't a reference to Brian Bosworth. Please also include why Brock's tweet that includes the Bosworth photo isn't part of that reference.

(b) what the term communist meant to Bosworth. Did he really mean that the NCAA was gov't entity that forces people to commune? Or, did he use the term for its implied hate (i.e., I hate the NCAA, as an American we all hate communism in 1985, and thus I am calling the NCAA communists)

(c) what the term means to the OP here. Was the OP truly implying that the NCAA is a gov't entity that forces people to commune? Or did the OP use the term as reference to Brock's tweet which included a reference to Bosworth's shirt.

(d) any conversation in this forum that has invoked the literal political meaning of the word communism.

I'm pretty confused and can use some help.

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i.e., I hate the NCAA, as an American we all hate communism in 1985, and thus I am calling the NCAA communists

FTFY

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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Maybe it's not applied correctly cuz, ya know, literally nobody is actually talking about communism, and instead is referring to a tweet referring to Boz's T-shirt.

So now community members that don't Twitter get downvotes?

As I said, when I first read it I had the exact same thought Smitty did. Because I don't have Twitter and had no idea what the reference was. And for what it's worth there is no reference to the tweet in question in this post.

Seems ridiculous to downvote me for that, but have at it. I'm not attacking anyone here.

No downvotes from me. But the point is, you didn't get the reference, it was explained, and now you know it's not a political discussion. As anybody who came into the thread would find out. So there's no issue.

Explained after the fact. My point was it's a poor title, and you referencing something that wasn't even included in the actual post.

I get it at this point, but I feel like if someone else had created a topic with that heading there would some blowback unless we worked for TKP

Right, well if using the word communist is automatically off limits regardless of context then idk what to tell you.

Sorry about, it was an oversight not to include it in the original post. My fail during the editing process.

A shitty political title? You are joking right?

Pretty sure cussing is against community guidelines too, smitty.

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Shit.

Just proving a point, Frank, you don't have to celebrate it.

Side note: don't google "cock, balls, old school"

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Would you say that's a google search that might be NSFW?

โ€œTHE CUP IS GOING NOWHERE MIKEY!!! THEY DID IT SOMEHOW!!โ€

Guess that would depend whether or not you are a fan that enjoyed Steve spurrier's tenure at USCe or not

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My first thought was the same so I gave you a couple legs on each post. Not sure why you got downvoted

Cause hes sticking to his guns when provided evidence of relevancy.

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TKPC #666 ...man that was long wait...

What time does SVP come on?

Show starts at midnight. Not sure when the actual segment will air.

I may be wrong, but always thought SVP does his One Big Thing at the end of the show to wrap things up.

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^^^ pretty sure thats a drink.

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TKPC #666 ...man that was long wait...