All I have to say

In middle school I had a gym teacher named Mr. Young. Mr. Young was lanky tall, white as chalk, and almost made it in the NBA. The rumor among students was he played against Larry Bird. When it got too cold for class to be outside, we moved inside and played basketball. Every year we'd get a 60 second crash course in hoops. We'd be seated on the bleachers and Mr. Young would stretch his arms out, ball between his hands, and say, "Boys, this is a basketball." Looking back, I'm sure he thought he was hot shit. He'd continue, "You dribble the ball," then he'd dribble, "You shoot the ball," then he'd shoot. He probably spotted up 15-or-so shots, nailed 'em all, ... and you get the idea.

Virginia Tech is 3-2, 0-2 against Big East teams. Reminder, we play in the ACC, but much like the basketball, you are what you are. This is not a good football team. Personally, I overestimated how good we'd be. My optimism got the best of me in spring and the preseason; I glossed over the loss of a lot of talent. It's evident after five games last year's reserves and some fresh-faced freshman weren't ready to step up. I also thought the coaches would be able to successfully modernize the offense. The two big changes this offseason: 1) pistol, 2) pre-snap motion. We use the pistol to throw the ball more than we do to facilitate quick-hitting rushes. The movement before the snap has looked nothing but sloppy, and has lost more in penalty yards than its gained in matchup advantages.

For the first time in a long time, I don't believe we're going to win ten games, and the main (only) reason we'll contend for the ACC Championship is because we're in a weak division.

The guy who stood behind me this afternoon was a better fan than me. He didn't know shit about the team. After one of Holmes' big-gainers he yelled, "Way too go J.C.!" Of course I was the asshole who corrected him. He clapped when we ran for just a yard on first down, and when we scored points. Sometimes it would be fun to be ignorant and just take Tech football at face value.

This is a recliner.

You relax in a recliner. You lean back and reminisce over your accomplishments in a recliner. You lay complacent in a recliner. We looked liked a complacent football team tonight.

Overall, I feel like Virginia Tech football has become a spectacle, an event. We play all these games outside of Lane Stadium (that we lose), we wear funky uniform combinations, we have some sort of effect for every game of the season. Students come and go through Lane as they please and plenty of them are more focussed on throwing paper airplanes. We play Sandman during the game.

Bruce is right. There is absolutely no reason why we should lose to Pitt, or to Cincinnati, or JMU, or to Boise State, or to ECU, or to __________ (insert overmatched team).

At one point there used to be a hard-nosed football team in Blacksburg. This football team would wear all maroon. They didn't give any fucks. They were angry. They played in a Terror Dome. They earned respect. They attacked, and attacked, and attacked until they lived in their opponent's backfield. They brought their lunchpail to work, but ate the other team's sandwiches. They had athletic players, put them in a position to succeed, and they did.

Where are they at?

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sorry

"For the first time in a long time, I don't believe we're going to win ten games"

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Sorry... couldn't resist.

It's just getting tiring. More of the same. The best thing that will happen this year will be the end of the 10-win-per-season streak. No matter how bad things look, Frank always throws that streak into the conversation as the reason to never make any changes.

When Frank got Shane involved and shook up recruiting responsibilities and staffing, I really hoped that was a sign of some sort of sense of urgency on his part to close out his career with some real memorable moments.

There's nothing worse than watching the game on ESPN and hear the announcers babble: "Yesterday I was talking to Virginia Tech Offensive Coordinator Bryan Stinespring and he was saying..."

As if he's talking to some mastermind and offensive genius.

I don't know...

...where that attack-driven squad is. If we're lucky, we'll see it for the rest of the season out of this group. Based upon their reactions on twitter, the players don't SEEM to be be listless or complacent. The desire to improve, to right the ship, SEEMS to be there. Now it's up to the coaching staff to take all that frustration and get this team reoriented, re-focused, going forward. Cause if the coaches can't harness this restlessness in the proper way, this season is going to become a lost cause very quickly.

I want to get back to basics next week. It's as simple as that.

"At one point there used to be a hard-nosed football team in Blacksburg. This football team would wear all maroon. They didn't give any fucks. They were angry. They played in a Terror Dome. They earned respect. They attacked, and attacked, and attacked until they lived in their opponent's backfield. They brought their lunchpail to work, but ate the other team's sandwiches. They had athletic players, put them in a position to succeed, and they did."

I thought that is exactly what the defensive front seven did throughout the game. It looked like the Hokie defense in 95-99, with guys coming from everywhere, the QB beat to a bloody pulp, and the running backs tackled for losses over and over again. Unfortunately, it also was a textbook masterpiece in why Foster abandoned that scheme: the less talented secondary couldn't cover wide receivers man to man all game long without getting torched. Kyle Fuller, great run support/tackler, so so in coverage. Kyshoen Jarrett, great in run support all game long, but terrible in man coverage (and he blew the coverage on the Abernathy IV TD. Dietrick Bonner plays corner to not get beaten, and gave up underneath skinny post and in routes like pitch and catch throws. Michael Cole in space makes Nick Sorenson look like Ed Reed. And Antone Exum was horrendous all day because he has no instincts on when he needs to get out of his backpedal and turn and run, or change directions. Instead of bitching about the officiating, we should thank the Lord above that Exum did not get 10+ pass interference calls. Either the way the DB's are taught (turn your back, play the body, play the percentages) has become outdated or the talent level has dropped off significantly because of the poor recruiting hauls from 2008-2010.

But, the Hokies used to be bullies on offense too. Then a bunch of Madden playing, whining, never played a down of football in their worthless lives pussies started booing from the cheap seats and getting on message boards talking about how "predictable" and "boring" the offense was, and Frank Beamer, in the ultimate no-no for a coach started listening to these morons. (You know, the same ones who wanted Beamer fired today because "he forgot to play Enter Sandman.") In their effort to "modernize," they have lost their identity and became soft. Today, they played a smaller front, and needed every bit of misdirection and deception to move the football. There was no physical dominance asserted, and that made me sick.

There is no excuse for these repeated poor starts. Every game since Georgia Tech has featured a putrid first quarter. I am not sure what is causing it, but if you were in the stands dring warm ups, you may share in considering a theory. Butch Jones had a sharp, organized, purposeful, and energetic pregame warmup. Their stretches, chants, drills, everything was sharp and done with enthusiasm. Every helmet was on, every player was engaged.

Then, if you looked across the field, the dichotomy was palpable. The QBs and WR's all had their helmets off. Every position drill activity looked like guys going through the motions. The stretching had guys looking around the stadium and not focused on getting lose. The coaches were disengaged, only stepping in with their group. When everyone was huddled, it was one guy talking and no energy from anyone else.

Perhaps I am making a mountain out of a molehill, but I believe that winning is habit forming. You play like you practice, and that looked like an unfocused, unmotivated group. Now, to their credit, the defensive front seven came out wildmen, but nothing else looked sharp or crisp early in the game. It has to have an effect. At some point, there has to be some accountability for coming out that disjointed. If it is the players, there are talented bodies who are not playing who at least may give you that effort. If it is the staff, end the cronyism and get someone in who demands attention to detail.

I fell in love with this program in the early 90's because they were the players who nobody else wanted, who came to Virginia Tech, absolutely killed it in the weight room, and then bloodied the noses of their opponents. As the quality of the athletes they get have improved, it seems like the staff has forgotten that identity. It is certainly missing from the offense, and the defense can only truly bring it back if they can mix the same attitude with a better quality of athlete to match up with this silly spread nonsense.

And, Dan Snyder can stick his head between his legs and fuck his own face. Thank you for the forum.

Viva El Guapo

/slow clap

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Great Post French!

Was Dyrell Roberts our leading rusher today?

SO MUCH TRUTH

"I fell in love with this program in the early 90's because they were the players who nobody else wanted, who came to Virginia Tech, absolutely killed it in the weight room, and then bloodied the noses of their opponents. As the quality of the athletes they get have improved, it seems like the staff has forgotten that identity. It is certainly missing from the offense, and the defense can only truly bring it back if they can mix the same attitude with a better quality of athlete to match up with this silly spread nonsense."

A hardworking, blue collar program is what I grew up watching! That is the Virginia Tech team I know. The hard hits on both side of the ball, determination, and super physical D are what I fell in love with in the late 90s as a child. I WANT IT ALL BACK.

Side note... that is why college football in general this year has sucked in my opinion: defense clearly is not winning football games anymore. These WVU/Baylor and FSU/Clemson shootout type games are obnoxious. How about some D, y'all?

Well Said,

I agree with everything you've written here, but I'm not seeing where you could call us bullies on offense. I'm ready to get shot down here, but I don't think anything our offense has done would show us as such. We could play our way through games where our offense out matched the usual ACC gauntlet through talent, but when it came to a decent defense were shut down. This becomes more prevalent when we get outmatched in our bowl games and OOC openers. What's killing us even more this year is the severe lack of a single playmaker on either side of the ball. It doesn't look like anyone has the ability to turn the game around like we're used to seeing. I'm not sure if it's a disparity in the recruiting or coaching, but someone like an Eddie Royal, Macho Harris, or David Wilson to turn the game around at any point.

Tech Tech VPI

The problem is that they have not been bullies on Osince Jones and Suggs finished up with the exception of late 2004.

Viva El Guapo

And I add with no Vaseline provided...

WVU has had RichRod and Holgo while Frank has WASTED too many years with Stiney.

"We're your family right?!? You love your family right?!?"-Dadi Nicholas
"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

Thank you

Sometimes you have to stand up and punch someone in the mouth. That's all

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Hit the nail on the head

"Overall, I feel like Virginia Tech football has become a spectacle, an event. We play all these games outside of Lane Stadium (that we lose), we wear funky uniform combinations, we have some sort of effect for every game of the season. Students come and go through Lane as they please and plenty of them are more focussed on throwing paper airplanes. We play Sandman during the game."

It's amazing how much has happened to this program since the MV7 days.

Twitter ===> @PattyLighttt

I really believe it's going to take us losing 4 or 5 more games before Frank finally makes some changes, and it very well may happen! Every game we have left to play this season we could conceivably lose. Like everybody here I miss the toughness and the fire that used to be VT Football. We need to get back to that.

Just my two cents

I agree with everything said here. I have bled orange and maroon all of my adult life. I entered Blacksburg August 1997 never having made a trip to a game at Lane Stadium. My first trip was that first week against Syracuse when Donovan McNabb was a junior on a Heisman campaign. That ended that night. I was in love. Lane Stadium was my church and the team was my preacher... I lived in the Burg until 2003 and I have seem some spectacles of greatness (A&M, Miami 2003) and some letdowns... but this is the first time I feel really disappointed. I too had some visions o grandeur in my head. Win or lose, I will watch the games I can... working retail makes every saturday hard, but my heart is always with the Hokies... the heavy days and the happy ones. Lets go Hokies, and get them next week...

I have seen

For the last 10 years entrance requirements and football expectations have grown. I think after so many years of sucess, some may have forgetten the fight that respect commands. The home field advantage woud not have helped because the team is soft. They're riding the coat tails of those before. The pedigree of the hokeis, fast to the ball, field position first, is lost to finese and, "it should have worked." Coach 'em up! Cheer them on. Let's GO HOKIES!

Go Hokies!

rant time

"Overall, I feel like Virginia Tech football has become a spectacle, an event. We play all these games outside of Lane Stadium (that we lose), we wear funky uniform combinations, we have some sort of effect for every game of the season. Students come and go through Lane as they please and plenty of them are more focussed on throwing paper airplanes. We play Sandman during the game."

I know I'm not the first person to quote this in the comments but I feel like I need too.

Personally, I feel this team has lost the lunch-pail feel. Blue collar grinders shouldn't have 4 different jerseys and helmets and 3 different pants (I may be wrong on those numbers). Wear all maroon at home. Wear white on the road. Don't let anyone outwork you.

Stop throwing airplanes. Stop doing the wave. Stop the stupid whiteout. STOP LEAVING THE GAMES EARLY!

French mentioned something about it, and I'm sure every football player would want to kick my ass if I said it to their face, but compared to the old Beamer/Foster teams we have gotten really soft.

"I'm just the kind of player who loves contact, that's all, and I'm going to keep riding you until somebody separates us. I like hitting people. I like hitting people for the entire play. That's just second nature for me, you know, and it's not meant to cause trouble. But I want (defensive linemen), after we're done, to know they were in a dogfight. I don't care if people call me dirty. As long as they don't call me soft, that's all." -Jake Grove, we need to get more guys like him back.

To get back to what made Hokie football great we should make that our motto. "I don't care if people call me dirty. As long as they don't call me soft."

why does everybody hate the wave so much?

"We're your family right?!? You love your family right?!?"-Dadi Nicholas
"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

For me

I suppose it is normally more an annoyance than full bred hate; although there are times when terrible timing (i.e. during key situations in a game) when it really gets on my nerves. That said, I would gladly see the wave (and perhaps even participate) 10 times a game if the airplanes and leaving early stop.

Back to the Future

We need to get back to Virginia Tech football. The OC needs to go. If that is not gonna happen then we need to start with the O line. You can't win without a good one. I was at Maryland for the VT game in 05. Marcus Vick sucked throwing the ball to start the game. We then went exclusively to handing the ball off to Brandon Ore who behind a HUGE O line repeatedly ran the ball down their throat for the rest of the game. Then some moron decided that we needed a small athletic line instead of slow big guys. How has that worked out for us. Recruit some big uglies and go from there. Our D is still good under foster, but those dudes get tired with all the 3 and outs from the anemic offense and eventually where down and we lose. O line and offensive play calling is what needs to change in my opinion.

Hokies fan since 1998

Off Topic a bit

I wanted to slug both of the announcers on the ESPN broadcast. One guy didnt seem to know football at all and the other was trying to coach our team and then said some shit about how great players step up at great moments about the last play that was miss called as a TD. I really hate getting the C-team on broad casts. (of course what was a happening on the field didnt help my mood)

A new season...new hope

Ha!

Glad someone else on here had to deal with the ESPNU announcers. "Great moments make great players!!" in the desparation heave from Munchie.

I thought Munchie looked awful most of the game. Cinci on offense reminded me of Denard Robinson last season in the Sugar Bowl. The kid made a handful of throws that just barely snuck in there.. he was given some questionable calls to move the chains.. desparation heaves that just barely completed..

I couldn't disagree more. I thought Munchie played under tremendous pressure, and got rocked frequently. He had 6-7 throws dropped, and I would venture that most of his non-drop incompletions were throw aways to avoid sacks when nobody was open. That kid played one hell of a football game. He outplayed the Hokies QB, that is for damn sure.

Viva El Guapo

When you contrast Munchie's performance last year after Collaros went down (Rutgers) to what happened yesterday, he has made astounding progress in technical skill, execution, and most importantly confidence. He's not perfect but he could one of the greatest ever to throw the ball for UC.

His performance yesterday reminded me a lot of Bryan Randall or even a younger Tyrod.

Hokie Stone

The slab of Hokie Stone that hangs above the tunnel the players run out of to start each game at Lane reads:

"For Those Who Have Passed. For Those To Come.
Reach For Excellence."

This team is NOT reaching for anything other than their cell phones so they can get on Twitter and talk about how they "have each other weak. lol." That shit makes me sick. Put your damn phones in your lockers get on the effing field and ball out.

I want to see the crazy murder eyes on the DLs faces like I see when I watch videos of Corey Moore. I want to see nasty body-destroying hits by everyone on the defense that we used to see from guys like Vince Hall and Xavier Adibi (who were both undersized but commanded the field together).

I'm tired of this pussy shit. James Gayle said he wanted to be the best DE in the country this year with 10+ sacks. Well how many does he have?? And don't get me started on Antone Exum because I won't be able to stop. I'll just say: Turn and Run damnit. Look for the ball. I learned that playing peewee football when I was 10 years old.

If I recall correctly I don't think I've ever said our offense is boring. But I have said many, many times that it is freaking predictable in the past 6 years: middle run, middle run, short pass, punt. screen pass left, screen pass right, run, punt. I loved the bruising O-lines that led the way for Suggs, Jones, etc.

Stop making paper planes (take their tickets away if they do), stop the stupid wave, scream until your voice is non-existent and your teachers on monday know what you did this weekend, STOP RUSHING THE FIELD WHEN WE BEAT TEAMS RANKED OUTSIDE THE TOP 10.

Grab your Lunch Pails, throw the stupid pistol in the trash, and put your big boy pants on. It's time to go to work!

I WANT MY HOKIES BACK.

REACH FOR FUCKING EXCELLENCE.

"Somebody came on the field and painted a T beside the V"

REACH FOR EXCELLENCE @goobvt_sg

lol, gayle's a pussy

"We're your family right?!? You love your family right?!?"-Dadi Nicholas
"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

Radio Show

Is it Monday or Tuesday when Roth has Beamer on the show? I will mail someone a crisp new $10 bill if someone would take what French said and Joe said from the recliner picture down and recite it verbatim on the show...

I would love to hear his response.

...

Forget a 10 win season...I'm not even sure we can pull off a winning season, let alone a bowl game. If we keep playing like this, I can see us going 2-4 down the stretch.

I kept trying to give the O-line the benefit of the doubt. "Wait until Newsome gets the guys he needs for his scheme, things will turn around," I told myself. Right now, the offense has no identity. Everything looks like a mess.

I too fell in love with this school/football program because it was made up of guys that no one else wanted. We were looked down upon or ignored until we punched them in the face and took what we wanted from them. How the tables have turned - now teams with less talent are punching us in the face and taking our lunch money.

I don't know why this team struggles so much when we have high expectations. Is it because we've never been there? Is it complacency? Whatever it is, it needs to stop.

As a student

I have sat in the student section in the East stands (Sec 3) for every game this season, and I have had season tickets the past three years. The students by and large do not come to truly watch the game or cheer our team on. I have seen people leave at halftime of games where we weren't playing a big opponent. I even saw people leave at halftime of the Miami game. MIAMI. WTF?

I, like the others have said, grew up on the hard-hitting, hard-nosed Hokies of the past. I first truly fell in love with Tech football in 1999, when I was 10/11. I cried over the loss to FSU, and I have never truly let that go. Hokie football is the one sports season I look forward to every year, without fail. I take it far too seriously (I couldn't watch yesterday because I had to work, but after we lost I became highly depressed) but that's just what it is. Sometimes I feel like I put more into it than the coaching staff does.

I hate hate hate all the old people who are big donors who think they know how to coach football and play it when they've never played a down in their life, and thus why I know I'd piss a lot of people off if I had my own season tickets after I graduate.

I love Virginia Tech, and I will always support the players and the coaches, but something has to give. I feel burnt out.

North Carolina Raised, Hokie Bred

Fire

"Butch Jones had a sharp, organized, purposeful, and energetic pregame warmup. Their stretches, chants, drills, everything was sharp and done with enthusiasm. Every helmet was on, every player was engaged.

Then, if you looked across the field, the dichotomy was palpable. The QBs and WR's all had their helmets off. Every position drill activity looked like guys going through the motions. The stretching had guys looking around the stadium and not focused on getting lose. The coaches were disengaged, only stepping in with their group. When everyone was huddled, it was one guy talking and no energy from anyone else."

I've spent the majority of the last two years following UC, my girlfriend's alma mater, in addition to following VT, my alma mater. This game was a big focus of mine because, aside from the obvious personal reasons, I saw this is a game to prove that the big programs could still hold down the smaller programs. Virginia Tech is a football school; UC is not. We devote millions of dollars every season, and some cases tag government officials, to ensure our football programs stays in the national spotlight. UC is a admitted basketball school with football as the afterthought. I was speaking with my girlfriend's father (another UC alumni) and he told me that UC's board of directors did not want to leave the BE because they did not want to give up the quality basketball opponents. When you consider those facts, as well as the paper talent between the two football squads, there was really no reason, in my opinion, why our team should not come out victorious.

However, over the last several months, I began to lose sight of a key fact in determining all football games: fire. I still thought we had this fire; the same fire that took down an undefeated Miami sqaud in 2003, the same fire that went undefeated in 1999 to play for a school's first BCS title game, and the same fire that won the conference that many felt didn't want us in the first place. Yes, we always lose the "one game" that we aren't supposed to lose but few fires burn eternal, and some fires need some kindle to burn bright. While painful, I viewed that "one loss" as the kindle to keep the fire going.

I'm not sure if its the fact that we have become too comfortable in the ACC, our recruitment efforts, or Frank's inability to admit when there is a problem, but our fire is gone. Maybe I chose to ignore it, or pretend its there, but it isn't and French's comment above sums this up.

We follow a team, a coach, and an administration who is perfectly content with 10 wins and a coastal division and/or ACC title year after year. Contrast that to the views of the UC team and coaching staff, who is out to prove that the small programs can compete and even take down the big programs with larger AD budgets and better recruiting resources.

Why did we lose to the University of Cincinnati yesterday? We lost because UC has become what VT used to be: a team with fire.

I truly can see us going 2-4 as well. maybe itd take that to get the coaching staff to wake up with major changes. we are not a good team or at least have clearly not played like it, and the most depressing thing I've seen is the lack of emotion from the sideline. if we as fans are screaming and putting everything into trying to support these guys, I want to see players yelling trying their best to get some emotion in the game. I don't know if its a lack of leadership or what. but like many have said I love this team, this school and I get depressed when we lose and take this game probably to seriously. but that's what I love. and I won't stop caring so much but this team has become so frustrating to watch this season. great post joe, you summed everything up perfect

tyrod did it mikey! tyrod did it!

Power Football

True, succesfull, power running football teams are slowly becoming a thing of the past. Stanford, they just got beat, Alabama, LSU, Michigan State - I'm wracking my brain to try and think of another smashmouth pro-style run first team and I really can't. Most teams that run the ball sucessfully these days employ deception as their means to make their yards. I think their are too many big, strong, fast kids out there to always expect your guys to win one-on -one matchups without scheme. I hear all of this clamoring for the glory days of Virginia Tech football, but honestly the Hokies have had one great team in their entire history - and we lost the National Championship game that year. Why do we, as fans, romanticize the truth so often? The Hokies are not a powerhouse program. We have had a tremendous run, you can't deny that, but where do we fans get off expecting anything out of this team?

I feel like I've rambled on from my true intention. I'm not saying a physical running game is not possible anymore, but that physicality is about attitude. How many of the coaches and players do you think are scared of Beamer? Now look at that Cincy coach, Butch Jones is a fucking maniac. The Bearcats sprint to the other end of the field when the quarters change. That's all about attitude. The coaching staff and players enjoy the succes of VT football and they are comfortable. Comfort breeds complacency. But hey, if this season doesn't light a fire under some asses then I don't know what will. But it will get worse before it gets better.

I think want-to is the most important part of success. It's not just that want-to push your guy a yard backwards to get that first down, it's also the want-to sacrifice everything else in your life for the goal. The want-to practice, the want-to watch film, the want-to outwork the other guys. I think Nick Saban recruits incredibly, but I also think he outworks everybody else. We just got outworked by a young, hungry coach and team.

Let me sum up. I love the Hokies. This season will suck. The definition of insanity is performing the same experiment and expecting different results. Stop whining fans, it's still better than going to work.

Signs of the times

I don't care that kids throw paper airplanes. I don't care if they do the wave - they're just having a good time, which is what going to a game is supposed to be about. Blaming apathetic students for not being as into a team as we were when we went to school (I was 2003-2006) is apples and oranges. Look at what they have to be stoked about on the field! No wins against the top 10, but losses to JMU and Big East teams! Fans don't build programs, programs build the fans. I totally agree with the warmup comparison that french made - it blows my mind to see other teams do that kind of thing and come out FIRED UP vs. us going through motions. I knew Miami would give us trouble last year after watching warmups.

I'm not giving up on this edition of Virginia Tech football by any means. Still going to Chapel Hill next weekend, still going to Duke and FSU in Blacksburg. And if we lose each of those games, it'll still be worth driving the 3/4 hours from Williamsburg because I love football, but my expectations have lowered quite a bit in the last three weeks. I honestly think the best thing for us as a program is to bottom out (for us, a 8-4, 7-5 season?) and have an actual shakeup on the staff for the first time in a decade. Not because I think that will fix the problem mind you, but because it can't make it any worse and it might just help. Better to try and fail than to keep failing with status quo?

Change in Mindset

To me the mindset of the team is one of the main problems. I also noticed Cincy's entire team sprint from one end of the field to the other at the end of the third quarter. While at the same time our guys walked around as if there wasn't even a game going on. Neither side of the ball has any passion and almost seem to expect to win ten games at the end of the season as if going to VT guarantees that. Frank refuses to acknowledge any problems with the team. This article sums that up: http://www.roanoke.com/sports/mcfarling/wb/314740. I spoke with the father of a current player last night and he said Beamer told the team before the game that "the game wasn't important because it wasn't an ACC game". How can it not be an important game? We got punk'd on national television. Consistently losing to teams that should be over matched, in the spotlight, hurts recruiting, hurts alumni and student support, and continues to hurt national perception. No team out there is afraid to play us anymore. Someone needs to step up and get these boys going cause Frank surely isn't going to do it.

What the crap

Not what I want to hear from coaches.
Seriously, he needs to be telling them "I don't care who we're playing, you go out there and punch them in F-ing face!!"
I love Beamer, but he needs to light this team up and not sugar coat anything ever.

Yea, that is pretty bad. You tell your players 'no big deal' and they aren't going to perform. Simple as that. There is absolutely no excuse for coaches to not try to get the players fired up for every single game; in conference or not

I'm going to have to agree with bicbuck - the fans are not the problem. Most of the students there are just being introduced to Tech football remember, so expecting them to be hardcore while we struggle against mediocre big east teams is asking a lot. Put a hard working, over achieving team on the field and you'll get the hard core stadium response from even the average fans though.

"Then a bunch of Madden playing, whining, never played a down of football in their worthless lives pussies started booing from the cheap seats and getting on message boards talking about how "predictable" and "boring" the offense was, and Frank Beamer, in the ultimate no-no for a coach started listening to these morons."

Yea.. I'm going to have to disagree with you there french. While I wholeheartedly agree with everything else in your post about the team, I think you got this part wrong. People weren't calling for fancy Oregon-esq offenses that put up 40+ a game, they were calling for better play calling - something that actually did happen under O'Cain. The problem wasn't the number of points or total yards of offense, it was the consistent 3 and outs and screen plays used while we had oodles of talent in the backfield and at wide receiver. Consider this, in 2007-2008 (the really bad years) we arguably had more overall offensive talent (or at least experience)... and had a WORSE 3rd down conversion rate than we do even this year. While I didn't know anyone that booed us at the games or actively campaigned against Stinespring (though I do know it happened), the general sentiment was that a good power run game with play action passes were still favored by most fans, just done with better play calling than what we saw between 2004-2010. But enough of that, most of those critiques stopped once O'Cain started calling the plays.

While I am no football scheming guru, it seems to me the issue with our offense is partly due to scheme -- but not so much in that the coaches messed something up. Looking back at the days when our offensive line was a bunch of converted tight ends, and you saw similarly bad offensive lines. The difference was they at least were decent at run blocking, and we had running backs capable of picking up tough yards.

Now look at this year: we have a bunch of linemen who are OK at pass blocking, and only a handful who can run block. Combine that with running backs who are young and who can't consistently beat their man one-on-one (admitted here on this very website in numerous articles) and imagine what you must be thinking if you knew this as a coach going into spring practice. What did they do? They built an offense (the pistol) around the most consistent player they had last year, who they thought they could count on again this year. The problem with this philosophy is that Thomas hasn't been making plays. Sure there have been issues with how the offense has been implemented, but I'd assume so much of the focus was on to turning Thomas into the main play maker that the offense goes as he does. There is no more run game to rely on, and I don't know if thats going to be fixable until maybe next year. With this offenses struggles, we can't just swap running backs or make better play calls. Sure some of that might help, but as long as our QB is over throwing his targets, this offense is not going to put up points.

That said, we know both Thomas and Leal have the talent to make this work. It is the coaches job to help them with their mechanics or whatever it is that changed since last year and get them ready for game time. That squarely falls on the shoulders of Beamer, Stinespring and O'Cain.

...and yes, I miss the days when Exum was a Safety and full of potential, instead of a CB who makes me nervous every time the QB looks his way

The decline happened for 4 reasons:

1. Hokies Respect program. Terrible F---. I respect an opponent after the game.
2. Steiny: His lack of coaching skills has wasted more NFL talent than the Detroit Lions
3. What ever happened to Beamer Ball? It has been gone for about 5 years now.
4. That national championship case. Build it when we earn it not before we look like posers.

the fact that the school wants us to not be west virginia towards opposing fans is why we lost the other day? really?

"We're your family right?!? You love your family right?!?"-Dadi Nicholas
"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

So Many Things are Wrong

I don't even know what to say. And, I'm tired of Beamer's press conferences. Get pissed. Show you want win. Don't talk about how the offense improved through out the game. NO SHIT, you got 36 total yards in the 1st half. Stop deferring and talk about how it's not acceptable. How you need to improve. How you MUST make each coaching decision ACCOUNTABLE.

McFarling starts with questioning (http://www.roanoke.com/sports/mcfarling/wb/314740), but more accountability is needed. These questions deserve truthful answers:

How do you plan to defend Clemson, FSU, and Miami when you have CB that either gets beat or commits a penalty over 50% of the time in coverage?

How do you account for the regression of Logan Thomas? Why has his mechanics gotten so much worse from 2011?

Why was there no safety deep with less than 20 seconds, 3rd and 10 and they needed a touchdown and had no timeouts? Was it a poor call or a blown coverage?

When do you expect your new hybrid offense with pistol and pre-snap motion to become effective? Are we expected to give you 6 games to a year to get it into effect?

Why was Arkema starting? Why did RVD just start his first game this past game? Why don't you get the best players on the field?

I've always thought this would a rebuilding year, and in 2013 VT would be nationally great. I don't know, but I don't have much hope for 2012 or 2013 based on these 5 games. Maybe I'll see something later in the year that will change my mind.

"Why was there no safety deep with less than 20 seconds, 3rd and 10 and they needed a touchdown and had no timeouts? Was it a poor call or a blown coverage? "

I can answer this one easy. The Hokies were running an inverted cover two, meaning that the corners play as a deep safety, with each taking a deep half of the field. Given what Cincy called and where Munchie threw, it was actually a perfect play call. If Kyle Fuller had been sharp, he catches that ball like a punt for an interception. It was a complete bust on Fuller's part.

If you want to be critical of Bud Foster on the last drive, I think you have to attach his decision to go with his two normal defensive tackles instead of bringing in Van Dyke for an extra cover guy and using Marshall inside, or going with the four quick defensive end look that we heard so much about. Both Hopkins brothers (who had great games) were not quick enough to prevent Munchie from breaking up the middle on controlled scrambles early in the winning drive set things in motion.

Viva El Guapo

Fair enough

Then Fuller should never have broken contain. Either way, with 20 seconds left, it is inexcusable to let any receiver to get deeper than everybody on the field. I couldn't tell if it was play call or execution, but that should never happen with a TD necessary for the opponent to win.

Season is almost half way over…..

…..and this is what a rebuilding year looks like.

A lot of folks, myself not excluded, spent months convincing ourselves that all of the legit question marks would be “just fine”. Well, we lost FIVE STUDS (Wilson, DeChristopher, Boykin, Coale, and Hosley), and the backups aren’t ready for prime-time, or, even worse, they’re clueless freshmen.

Yes, quite a few things have broken bad for us. Logan has handled sole possession of the spotlight poorly and has regressed. The OL is inconsistent. No separation or standouts from the RB group. On defense, the front seven are pretty good but not dominant like most expected them to be. Exum has failed at the CB switch. All things we were convinced would be fine, but things (other than LT3) that were legit potential issues from the objective observer’s perspective going into the season.

However, there are some positives. The big pre-season question mark of special teams is relatively solid (Hughes, Jarrett, etc). Corey Fuller’s play has been encouraging. Jack Tyler is looking better than most expected.

There’s also the injury factor, that being DJ Coles and Tariq Edwards. Two very good starters who haven’t contributed. Coles, like Coale in years past, could have been the constant that kept drives alive and our defense resting.

All of that said, the doom/gloom predictions are just that. We still can win every game (except FSU), and WILL get better as the season progresses. From here on out, I expect no worse than 5-3, meaning 8-5, or maybe 5-4/8-6 if we go to the ACCCG. Worse, yes, but that’s rebuilding.

While I sometimes feel that we have a mid-major quality offensive coaching staff, and would strongly consider trading them for “insert random coaches here” the reality is that Frank’s too close to retirement to shake things up outside of the existing guys. So, other than promoting Shane to OC, there just isn’t some splash move on the horizon. If that’s what we’re holding our collective breaths for, we should just check back in around 2017.

As for Frank burying the players in his post-game press remarks, that’s a waste. Paul Johnson was doom and gloom after GT-Miami, and look what he got out of his guys yesterday. What Frank says in the locker room is what matters, and none of us are privy to that. He rallied the troops to 11 straight after JMU, so let’s just give them a chance.

The players care. Look at Bruce Taylor’s remarks. Look at Kyle Fuller’s remarks. The players care.

Most of us have made this a damn big part of our lives for quite a few years. And we do it with knowledge that we have zero impact on the outcome. If Saturday was your tipping point for not caring, that’s fair enough. As for the rest of you, I will see you in Chapel Hill.

Something's brewing in Blacksburg...

Agreed on Taylor. Cincy might have been the best game he has had since 2010.

Viva El Guapo

The baffling thing to me...

...is that the letdown has come from our "givens." I went into this season with a lot of optimism...a lot....simply because a team with an experienced, talented QB + an experienced, talented defense usually wins a lot of games. Both the defense and the QB have been major letdowns.

This site has done a great job of breaking down LT's problems. It's not the no-brainer issues of high throws and unsuccessful QB Sneaks, it's his mechanics, it's his reads, it's his (lack of) audibles, it's his (lack of) blitz recognition. Logan has been an unmitigated disaster.

Defensively, one thing we knew was that the DLine was going to get after it. That was going to protect this thin, yet talented, secondary while they matured. The LB's could cope with Edwards injury because Taylor was so good and Tyler can play. What we have seen is that the pass rush isn't getting enough pressure, Taylor has been a liability and we have had to go Nickel constantly. We thought we would never have to go Nickel because of the dominant Front 7.

Now, the cold reality is that we need better secondary play and we have 3 Rovers (Jarrett, Fuller, Exum) and 3 other players who aren't ready to be on the field (Bonner, Cole, Manning). I don't know what you do with that. The cold reality is that we desperately need a running game so that we can bring our QB along. We thought it would be the other way around.

I'm a Red Sox fan, so I just lived through an unmitigated disaster of a season. I kept believing, well beyond when I should, that the "talent" would win out. Run differential, too many close loses, this team will turn it on at some time. But, they didn't...because what I believed was true (Lester is an ace, Gonzalez is a triple-crown-threat, Pedrioa produces, the bullpen is great) became a farce. Now, they are completing the worse season in two generations.

My wife watched a good bit of the BGSU game and offered this succinct analysis: "Wow, we're not good this year are we? Logan looks awful and our defense is allowing wide open recievers everywhere. Will we make a bowl?"

Good points, honey.

This is where we were a year ago.

Now we're bitching about having too many NFL-level corners that we have to move one of them to offense.

What a difference a year makes.