Hokies 2.0

By now everyone has been energized by the buzz emanating from the rebooted athletic department. OK, almost everyone has.

The following quote was part of Whit Babcock's opening statement from his press conference last Monday.

"We are prepared, within reason, to invest for a favorable return. Sometimes you have to spend to acquire talent in this profession and we're prepared to do so if it's the right person and right fit. We won't spend frivolously, but we must be aggressive if this opportunity presents itself."

It's evident he's a man of his word.

About two years ago it was a big deal when Tech's assistant pool got bumped to $480,000. The athletic department's not living on Ramen omelets anymore. In actuality, Jim Weaver's tight budget helped Whit to package a competitive offer. Babcock said as much himself, "Jim absolutely ran a good department and operated in the black, so there is some what you'd call a reserve [pot]."

In related news, recall Andy Bitter's Q&A with Bud Foster at the beginning of the month. Bud divulged how Tech was lagging behind other football schools in staff size.

"And then I wanted to look at their [Ole Miss'] infrastructure. You know, it's not just us tweaking our defense, but what you see out there is people have a lot of people in place to help in a lot of areas. And I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but I think Virginia Tech or maybe we as the ACC -- I can't speak for everybody in the ACC -- but I think if you probably did some research, it'd probably be interesting to see the amount of people we have in Virginia Tech to even the ACC."

AB: I think I've read that you're one of the smallest football staffs personnel-wise?

BF: "Yeah, and in my opinion, this is just my opinion, we need to catch up because of recruiting. Not so much the quality control guys and the football part of it, but in the recruiting part of it, that's where the Alabamas and even like Ole Miss, they've had the last two years, they've had two top-10 recruiting classes.

Again, Whit's anted up.

Coaching changes have modernized and reinvigorated Beamer Co.'s approach to recruiting. Now there'll be more resources to aid in the legwork.

Oh, and an interim financing plan for the $21.3 million, 120,000-square foot indoor practice facility was approved today, which should be open by August 2015.

It's anything but business as usual in Blacksburg. I feel like an old person for writing this, but this doesn't feel like my Virginia Tech. However, I couldn't be happier. I'm excited, anxious, and extremely hopeful for the future.


Maybe ALL CAPS will have to extend through the basketball tourney run next year...

And HokieBall and summer practice and all year long and...

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I'm really curious by these football positions Whit was referring to. Any idea what the positions are or when the hiring process will take place?

They are called Player Development Personnel, or something like that. It stems from Ballein's interview then to Bud's interview. Apparently most programs have a hefty staff of non-coaching personnel that focus on recruitment, coordination and all manner of things that free up the coaching staff's time.

VT has the smallest football staff in the ACC.

EDIT: With link

In addition to facilities, Ballein said Tech needs additional football staff to keep up with ACC rivals. The NCAA limits Bowl Subdivision programs to nine full-time assistant coaches, but there is no cap on player development personnel.

We have the smallest football staff in the ACC, Ballein said, and not many people know that.

This is correct. Shoot, even smaller schools have them. A good friend of mine is the assistant recruiting coordinator for Southern Miss. I called him last week and in the course of an hour there were a couple times he had to hang up on me to answer a call or text from a recruit - at 9pm. If that's what a guy who would essentially be Stiney's assistant has to do, I can't imagine all the work the Hokie coaches have to put in just to try to stay with the rest of the country.



I started reading about these extended staffs prior to the 2013 season. I recently posted the makeup of Bama's recruiting staff on another message board. They have a staff of ex-coaches and ex-players who do nothing but evaluate talent and develop players. It enables them to extend offers to over double the amount of blue chip talent we offer. That's the key to their recruiting dominance - quality and quantity of offers.

Reality has a mighty pimp hand.

Those national titles ensure those offers are accepted. Pretty sure we know who the top atheletes are.

I am intrigued by the staff changes, but I don't think that we were blindsided on who the top prospects were, we just didn't have the recent run of success to reel them in.

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As a percentage, their blue chip offers are accepted at about the same ratio as ours.

The big difference is, they extend the offers to 120 blue chippers, while we extend them to about 50. That's why they get a bigger haul - they cast a wider net.

Reality has a mighty pimp hand.

Imagine not only what we can do with a basketball staff with a real budget, but with MORE football coaches! Our recent recruiting has been thriving, and more coaches on the trail will only boost that success.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Real serious changes in the past month.

every time I log in there is great news. It's been a very bearable off season.

Hyping up Hokie Nation one video at a time.

I am getting a really warm and fuzzy feeling about the direction the program is taking since WB has taken over. Sometimes change is a good thing, hopefully time will tell, but the future right now seems to be looking pretty healthy. GO HOKIES!

If he reinstates "stick it in" I'll get a fathead of Whit and put it up in my apartment

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hell, if he reinstates Stick it in, I'll put the fathead above my bed.

It was a catch

"stick it in", Fatheads, and Babcock. There is a joke there.

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The jokes will start to get worse and worse.. I am sure "I'll get a fathead of Witt" and "stick it in" in the same sentence will occur.

oh wait...

I just made this petition. Sign it and share it to make your dream come true.
Bring Stick It In Back

We wont win the race until a trophy is in the case!



Hate to rain on the parade, but not happening.


What's a horse know about chants anyway?

blah blah blah

horse mouth

HOAT, did you go get dental work recently? How's the grin looking?

You are just upset that you were replaced with a dog on a treadmill in the new VT Promo ads.

Correction* replaced with a dog on an underwater treadmill.

*underwater treadmill

If you're going to tell him how much he got 1-upped by, at least be accurate about it

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

For real, right? Plus, Baxter is my buddy, I'm happy for him.

Hey HOAT, really random comment...but my daughter loves Lego games, and on the Lego Movie game for Xbox One, we came to a part where you have to get a horse and run it on what appears to me...to be a treadmill..did they consult you?

That's not random, that's 100% relevant.

No they didn't consult me. They probably just guessed how it would work. Lame.

I suppose they saw the video and realized that a horse on a treadmill is a great idea...I tend to think so. To be fair it wasn't up to VT standards, but you can't beat perfection.


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I signed it also and put it on reddit just for a little more exposure, of course it is going to get some hate just cause of internet anonymity, from the people that don't support Virginia Tech Athletics.Link

I will wear whit pajamas if that happens.

Coale'd blooded

When I graduated I said I'd only ever donate to the College of Engineering unless I was filthy rich. I was wrong - after seeing the direction Whit is taking athletics I decided to hold up my end of the bargain and donate to both CoE and join Hokie Club. Just a minimum donation member right now but every little bit helps.

I just joined Hokie Club for the first time. I was a student during the MV1 era. It's an exciting time.

Joining today as well. If he is buying in, I'm buying in.

RVA Hokie. Class of 2011.

Me right now..


He's no good to me dead.

You're right, every bit helps. Like Clemson's IPTAY club, which started decades ago with the motto - 'I Pay Ten A Year' and has now graduated into higher sums of course.

I started in the Hokie Club when i was a senior at Tech. I got my tax refund back and paid $100 to be in the Hokie Club. That was three decades ago, and I was able to buy season tickets for football and basketball by setting money aside each month. My football seats were on the 35-yard line, west side 'with the big money people', ha ha. All with an O&M Hokie Club contribution. Like I said, it was a long time ago.

To those who don't belong, I'd give this advice - Join the Hokie Club. You don't have to start out as a Golden Hokie or whatever. Use the same strategy as with your 401K, start out with an amount you can afford, then move it up when you can. We have an AD who has proven he will invest in the program to get a positive return. That has not been the case in the past, but it is now. So I would encourage everyone to invest in the program to see the positive return on the field, court, diamond, track, gym, etc. Also, like Whit says, because it helps mold young people into productive man & women. More Hokies that we can hold in esteem.

Of all the hires made in the next decade, the most important and impacting hire was Whit Babcock.

This is the same way I started out with the hokie club, I dontated 100 a year because I was not making alot, and have gradually increased it as I have become an adult and now have a way better paying job. $100 may not seem much to most people when it comes to our athlectic department but when you start adding up a 100 here and a 100 there it really helps. Just because you are giving a small donation doesn't mean you have not helped in a big way. In other words, If you can afford the extra 100 bucks a year to support the athletics department, please do so! It is also tax detuctible, so it helps with your taxes.

For complete transparency, the donation is 80% tax deductible.

This is good to know.. I had one tax person tell me "No" since I got a benefit in return.
But still min deduction is better for me anyways.

Am I getting a benefit out of it though? Your initial donation gives you the right to buy season tickets, but I don't think you directly receive anything from that donation.

Rip his freaking head off!

From hokieclub.com:

The Virginia Tech Foundation, which acts as the depository for the Virginia Tech Athletic Fund, is a non-profit, 501(c)(3) organization. Your gift is tax deductible as provided by law. We acknowledge that no goods or services were provided in consideration of this contribution. Any portion of your gift that is designated to athletics may give you the right to to purchase priority seating at an athletic event, and IRS rules may limit the deductible portion of that gift to 80 percent of the amount contributed. We recommend you consult your tax advisor to determine how the tax laws may affect you. A portion of your gift will be used to defray the cost of development operations.

Basically, consult your tax advisor. Depending on what you get may limit your deduction. If you are just throwing $100 at the organization and don't buy tickets or get anything else you should be good to write it all off.

Note: I'm not a tax advisor.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

August 2015 is like....really, really....soon....for this type of project.

i thought the same thing, those contractors better get after it.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

They need to go through the state BCOM review process, presumably they are already in that queue if they are asking the BOV to sign off on the financing.

I would guess that's at least a 12 month construction cycle, so they need to be breaking ground by summer.

It will be done in time as long as they let Sam Rogers start by July 31, 2015.

I'm very happy about this. Anyone who has ever observed a growing business knows that often times remaining static is a greater risk than embracing change. Our athletic department (and university for that matter) recognizes this. It's great to see.

I also think/hope that this was all part of JW's master plan.
Step 1: Pinch Pennies for 15 years
Step 2: Hire a kickass new AD
Step 3: Win lots of national championships in every sport.

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I like that you're trying to dole out credit to JW..it's a nice fantasy

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I know the current groupthink is that Weaver's a dolt, but he was a good AD for many years. It's not absurd to think he hired JJ on the cheap because he didn't want to saddle his replacement with a huge contract for a coach he may or may not have gotten along with.

I think he hired JJ on the cheap because it was the easy way out. Not a tough decision. The past three years of his tenure, he never made the tough decision, maybe it was his illness having an affect on judgement. He was good for years, but slid down fast in the end.

We got into the ACC because of Jim Weaver. He ran a tight ship and every athletic department in the ACC respected us for that. For the last ten years, we see these reports in the summer about who made money and who didn't. We always were in the black, even when we were in the Big East with their backwards revenue sharing and prorated entrance fee.

Jim Weaver set Whit Babcock up perfectly, good job for highlighting that point.

We got into the ACC because our football program was an absolute badass and just a couple seasons off of a National Championship Game berth, while Duke & UNC balked at the whole conference expansion plans, allowing the commonwealth politicians to put pressure on Casteen to force VT as a replacement to Cuse.

If our football program wasn't such a hot item at that time, the move doesn't happen. And before you give too much credit to Weaver for that, remember that he almost lost Beamer to UNC because he wasn't willing to up the ante for our assistants to be paid market price.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The ACC didn't want us. We got into the ACC because of Jim Weaver, Frank Beamer, and Mark Warner.

The move to the ACC was not a popular decision with many at the time.

When Virginia Tech was invited to join the ACC, former Roanoke Times sports editor Bill Brill expressed his displeasure, saying "Virginia Tech will not win an ACC championship in my lifetime.

It's only in retrospect that the move was absolutely a good decision, and Weaver made it without the benefit of hindsight. As for the UNC story, if you beleive Beamer's book, his almost leaving had little to nothing to do with Weaver.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

You believe Beamer put every ounce of truth in that book?

It was a book that was made to sell to VT fans. Saying he was gone because he worked for a guy who wasn't willing to pay fair market value for the services of him and his assistants wouldn't have exactly gone over well in the fanbase or the Athletic Department in which he was employed. No, he spun it in a way to make everyone look good, because thats what you do when you're in that position. Its unlikely we'll ever hear the full story directly from those involved, but the rumors I've heard from people that would know is that Beamer was as good as gone, and it took the President's Office getting involved to resolve the situation. Weaver was content with letting him walk because he got too expensive for his tastes, higher up officials at Tech had a different opinion, and in an emergency meeting, worked out a deal for him to stay, while removing most of the influence of the Athletic Director over the football program.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Well, I don't know. Weaver wasn't infallible; maybe it was a mistake on his part. He still left the department in a better place than he found it and put Whit in a position to succeed. May've had his faults, but you can't ignore all the good work he did.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

There were three major factors to us getting in the ACC:

1. The status of our football program at the time, as you state. This was a football first move,
2. The state of our financials and the reputation of our athletic department,
3. Political connections in the Commonwealth, in particular four men: Governor Warner, President Casteen, President Steeger and UVA/VT graduate Bill Goodwin (and current Rector at UVA).

Your #3 needs to be your #1.

He was a good administrator, a very good manager, especially with finances. He got a lot accomplished.

He was a poor visionary, especially in his later years, and hinged too much of his fundraising efforts on 'reseating.'

The VT athletic director should be a visionary first, a manager second.

Reality has a mighty pimp hand.

Now, yes. At the time, as you know, we'd been wandering the wilderness for 20+ years and need some stability. He brought that.

His time was up after the ACC invite, then we needed more vision that was outside his skill set.

Perhaps using the word 'fantasy' was a poor choice. I didn't intend for any of my comment to come across sarcastically. I genuinely like seeing someone post something that didn't put JW in negative light.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

The problem with that line of reasoning is that it only works in hindsight of where we are today. The reality is that the JJ hiring was completely in character for Jim Weaver. Look at all of his previous hires, Hussey was the assistant down the hall, hired on the cheap. Stokes was the assistant down the road hired on the cheap. Greenberg was the only out of character resume-wise, but he was still a relative unknown who was hired on the relative cheap.

James Johnson fit the profile of who Jim Weaver Hires as basketball coach to a "T". This sort of rosy retrospection where he was doing all of this out of the kindness of his heart to set up his successor in a good position doesn't really work for me logically.

Jim Weaver didn't leave out of the kindness of his heart, he was strongly encouraged to retire and provided "incentives" to do so in the form of his "consulting fees." He would have stayed here until the very last day of his contract if he had his way, which would have been right at the end of JJ's contract anyway. All these notions that Jim Weaver did all these things to "set up his sucessor" really strike me as a major bout of revisionist history.

I have NEVER heard anybody pressured Weaver to retire. His illness finally got to the point were he could not cope with the physical demands of the job and he decided to retire.


Parkinson's is a beast.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

You haven't been listening. There's a reason he's collecting his $600k "consulting fee" for the next two years (the length of his contract).

He was basically bought out.

1) It's $460k according to sources.
2) If he's still employed by the school but in a different capacity and is still being paid for '14 and '15 -- the last two years of his contract -- he hasn't been bought out. A buyout means "here's your money, now enjoy free agency/unemployment."

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

He was given 60% of his contract for the rest of his contract to "go away." Call it what you want.

I never said he was bought out, I know what a buy out is. I said he was "given an incentive to retire early." This is exactly what happened.

He was given an incentive to take a lesser role. I wouldn't say that Bryan Stinespring was bought out because he was moved to a different role, retained a job, and receives less money. The same thing happened to Weaver. He took an opportunity to still be involved in a lesser role for a cut of his salary. That's not a buy out if he's still working in any capacity.

And what "capacity" would you say he's currently working in right now? Be honest.

He was given the majority of his contract to retire before the contracts end. That's an "incentive to retire early" and an "effective buyout." Effective being the operative word here. At no point did I actually suggest that VT bought out Jim Weaver's Contract.

Considering his role is as a consultant, it's an as needed role. You're trying to walk the line between figurative and literal language by using words like "effective" and "basically." Strictly speaking, he is employed by the Athletics department. Thus he is being paid for a job. The parameters of what is expected are not my concern though. You may not think that the value of what he does right now is worth what he is getting paid, but there is something to be said for the value of his knowledge and experience.

I'm not walking any line. I'm being figurative. Jim Weaver wanted to play out his contract, Virginia Tech wanted him to retire. As a result, they came up with an amicable solution that got Jim Weaver out of the AD role, while still giving him most of the money in his contract.

Call that whatever you want, they paid him money to leave. If they hadn't done that, Whit wouldn't be AD right now, Buzz wouldn't be MBB coach right now, and board traffic would be relatively low. All I know is thank god they did it, it was beyond time.

Are there #sources to confirm your theory that Weaver wanted to remain AD but was instead compensated to give up his job?

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Directly copying and pasting your words...

He was basically bought out.

I never said he was bought out, I know what a buy out is. I said he was "given an incentive to retire early." This is exactly what happened.


No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Sorry, you're right, I thought I had said "effectively". I still feel my "basically" qualifier applies and that you're being a little semantic here.

We agree that Jim Weaver wasn't actually "bought out." He was given a majority percentage of his contract to no longer do his job. Can we agree on this?

Our interpretations of what this "means" can be left to our own devices and what we've heard. Everything I've heard on the subject is that the percentage of his contract for meaningless "consulting services" was an incentive for him to retire early so we could get a new AD in and actually start AD-ing in the 21st century.

I'm a linguist by trade. You'll have to forgive my interpretations. :)

Maybe the department was ready to move forward, sure. But we can't ignore the ramifications of the fact that he's battling a pretty nasty illness.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I'm not ignoring the fact that he's battling a pretty nasty illness. Everyone knows that, and he's been battling it for a long time. I think it's had a impact on his job performance for a long time as well. I also think he thought he could continue to do the job and planned to until the very last day of his last contract. Therefore any move he made, like in hiring JJ, was made because he thought it was the best move, not because he was being generous to his successor in two years by framing it with a lower buyout (which would have been on top of the other buyout). That was my original point - hiring JJ wasn't some part of some sort of master succession plan. It was a hiring completely in line with all of his previous hires, and he wasn't actually planning on retiring now - he was planning on being here the length of his contract.

Read just about every one of your posts on this topic and I can say I agree with every single one of them. I've learned as you probably will, there are some (good) people who just can't handle the truth and prefer the positive spin to life. Nothing wrong with that or them, but you'll drive yourself crazy trying to convince them. You've made your point buddy and I've heard you loud and clear. #Letitgo

Minority Report.

A linguist you say?

I also am not a big fan of the Weaver downplay. Could he have made better decisions regarding coaches over the years? Sure, but he also oversaw a profitable operation that added varsity sports in his tenure during what has obviously been the most successful time in Virginia Tech athletics in the history of the school. The wrestling team and the swimming team are seeing success and a lot of that is because Weaver put the right people in place to do that. Are we now experiencing a different sort of leadership? Absolutely, but as Whit himself has pointed out, its because of what Weaver left him that he has been in the position to step forward so quickly in doing the things that are getting done. Whit didn't have a lot to do with the Indoor/Outdoor practice facility being approved, most of that groundwork was done by Weaver, all the battles over Stadium Woods, etc. Weaver played a big part in us being in the ACC, which saves us a ton of money in non revenue sports and is without a doubt a prescient move considering where the Big East is now as a conference.

Last I checked this was Hokie Nation, we look people in the eye when we shake hands, we drink bourbon, not Zimas, and where we give a man his due for seventeen years of hard work done to better Virginia Tech.

Now lets get back to being excited for what Whit is going to build on the foundation Weaver laid.

Perfectly stated.

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Last I checked this was Hokie Nation, we look people in the eye when we shake hands, we drink bourbon, not Zimas, and where we give a man his due for seventeen years of hard work done to better Virginia Tech.

I shed a tear as I read this. Slow clap.

Damn, son.
What a breath of fresh air in the smog of disdain.
Allow me to buy you a drink if I ever have the pleasure.

Every single point is dead on. Thank you.

Weaver gave this school everything he had for as long as he was physically capable. We should ALL be thanking him for his service instead of trying to figure out some way to demean the man and kick him to the curb. That's not the Hokie way. Period.

Thanks again, Rob.

In addition Weaver's fiscal responsibility, he is also a big reason why we are in the ACC. Do we land Buzz freakin Williams if we're still in the Big East? I'm not confident we do. Joining the ACC is one of the best things that's ever happened to VT athletics. I'm all for doling out some credit to Weaver.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

Now I feel like the Pendulum is swing the other way with over-praise for Jim Weaver. He wasn't a "Big Reason we got into the ACC" That is a massive over-statement. All of those machinations went on at a level way above Jim Weaver. The fact that he had our books in order contributed to us being a good candidate for the ACC, and left them without a reason to reject us, but let's be honest about how big of a Factor Jim Weaver was in getting us into the ACC here...

Agreed, I clarified my statement above. His management of our athletic department was a component of us getting in, but certainly not all. Frank Beamer built and maintained the football program, the four I listed below did the gladhanding that got us the votes and Weaver ran the athletic department. But his work was yeomen's work, Beamer's skill is apparent and has been appropriated lauded. What Weaver did wasn't evident to the public, but quite important.

Weaver was the man. I am not exactly happy that he sold out some home games for Fedex, but he always did it for the national exposure and the money. He kept the athletic department in the black when almost every other division I school operated in the red.

Unfortunately, I don't know how much his sickness has impacted the last couple years of decisions. His only real mistake as AD was how he fired Greenberg. Not the decision, but the timing.

I'll add the hiring of JJ and the Women's BBall coach to mistakes. And getting rid of stick it in; what was he thinking?!

But I agree, Weaver's positive efforts far outweigh his poor decisions. Not to be redundant, but yes, his good moves far outweigh his bad.

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I lumped hiring of JJ in with letting the old coach go. There really wasn't anybody else available at that time.

There wasn't anyone else available at the time because of how badly weaver botched the firing process.

As I said that whole scenario was his biggest mistake as AD.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we were the away team at FedEx for all those games. I KNOW we were for Cincy (they moved the game from Nippert to MD) and 99% we were for USC.

Also, I believe USC and Boise were both neutral site "preseason" games, so not a lost home game at all.

I think the Boise State game was a home game for us. I remember there being 'VT' on all the video monitors and Sandman was playing and we were in all black and Boise was in white tops.

It was supposed to be a one and done home deal for us that got moved to Fedex. We were still the home team, just not at home.


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*Whit and Buzz at the pep conference*

I always had a sneaking suspicion that movie promoted gang activity, and there's the proof!

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The fact that we had less football staff than Duke or Wake Forest somewhat disturbs me. And what the heck was Weaver doing with all that "reserve pot" money? A rainy day fund for Whit to spend?

-Stick it in

Weaver knew he was at the end of his career and my guess is wanted to keep everything in the black for the next AD to be able to do something with. Let's not forget that he got some great football games scheduled before he left as well. I much prefer this approach. I think people need to give Weaver credit for setting Whit up nicely.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

If that is true and he is taking the fall in order to have that rainy day fund, I can at least respect that. But there was money sitting around while we were losing out on Nnadi, Hand, Brown, etc?

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Not sure how money would have influenced them. Unless you wanted to be in the SEC or at Clemson.

Brown was locked into UVA and there never was anyone else in the running. Hand went to Bama and Nnadi went to the defending nat'l champs. That extra money in the coffers wasn't going to do much for any of that. Even if it could, why would we dip in there for 3 football recruits?

Weaver was a lame duck AD and his goal was to not screw anything up and leave the new AD with all the tools possible to succeed. Whit is a homerun hire, but he couldn't be doing the things he is without Weaver doing what he did.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

I agree that Weaver has helped put us in this position. I just think a little extra money here and there would've helped do the little things like keep Grimes. But we are in a great spot now nonetheless. We wouldn't be close to what we are today without Weaver and any intelligent Hokie fan would know that.

-Stick it in

Grimes wanted to be closer to home to take care of a sick relative (sister? mother? can't remember). He said leaving was very hard. The LSU hire was just good fortune for him - be close to those you love and also get paid more as an added benefit.

"A good man lays up an inheritance for his children's children."

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

The fact that we had less football staff than Duke or Wake Forest somewhat disturbs me. And what the heck was Weaver doing with all that "reserve pot" money? A rainy day fund for Whit to spend?

Don't attribute that to Weaver - attribute it to Beamer. Based on Bud's recent comments, it's clear that the VT coaches are just now warming up to the idea of a recruiting staff.

Reality has a mighty pimp hand.

Whit is the embodiment of "it takes money to make money." I like it. As long as we can stay in the black, I'm all for it.


Another thing that we as Hokies should probably do: Send a big thank you to the twelve person search committee and Collegiate Sports Associates for finding and selecting Whit Babcock. If you see Kevin Jones, say thanks, if you have one of these professors, say thank you. If you have time to drop by one of these folks offices, do the same. Its pretty apparent that they hit the first home run, and Whit followed it up with another.

The 12-person panel includes no athletic department employee but three members of its fundraising arms board of directors, plus the departments faculty representative, and the chairman of the schools athletics advisory committee.

A first-round NFL draft choice in 2004, Jones is retired from football and living in Blacksburg. He is Techs No. 2 career rusher.

Virginia Tech Athletic Foundation board members on the search committee are Betsy Flanagan, the schools vice president of development and university relations, Sandy Davis, and Floyd W. Merryman III.

The Merryman Center athletics office complex is named for Merrymans father. Davis and her husband, Jack, were primary donors for the Street and Davis Performance Hall within Techs new Center for the Arts.

As previously announced, Ray Smoot, a former CEO of the Virginia Tech Foundation, chairs the panel, as he did in 1997 when the school hired current AD Jim Weaver. Last week Weaver revealed that he is retiring at years end because of health reasons.

Search committees usually filter through the scores of applications and recommendations, conduct initial interviews and forward finalists to the university president.
The remainder of the panel, as provided by the school Tuesday:
* Accounting professor Larry Killough, the long-time faculty representative to the athletic department. Faculty reps have an influential but seldom-noticed voiced in ACC governance, so Killough is well-versed on the issues facing the next athletic director.
* Electrical and computer engineering professor Joseph Tront, the 2013-14 chairman of Techs athletics committee, which advises the athletic director and provost on financial aid for, and academic progress of, student-athletes.
* James Bohland, Interim Vice President and Executive Director National Capital Region.
* Patty Perillo, Vice President of Student Affairs.
* Karen Eley Sanders, Associate Vice Provost for Undergraduate Academic Affairs.
* M. Dwight Shelton, Vice President for Finance.
* Jason Soileau, Assistant Vice President for Office of University Planning.


In any good business model it becomes clear that it "takes money to make money". Not to take shots at Weaver but he was just cheap. It's much easier to stay in the black when you're not spending, but it doesn't guarantee a healthy financial statement. As documented, our financial stability was beginning to dwindle and we were getting close to leaning heavily on ACC revenue (hence the strong push for Hokie Club membership). We also suffered at great costs to staffing personnel and attracting talent with his unwillingness to spend.

Whit is the perfect hire because his philosophy couldn't be more different. While they are both good within their own rights, Whit is the more likely to drive long term profitability as he has already begun to do so by generating BUZZ.

Minority Report.

I would've preferred that the basketball budget stayed the same and we use that money instead on the football program. But this is a good move for those who watch basketball. Football has always been infinitely more fun to watch imho

Are we going to spend more on the basketball program next year? Yes
Is the basketball program under Buzz likely going to make a ton of additional money next year? Yes
Do I think that the basketball program under Buzz after the first two years will turn a profit? Yes
If the basketball program is turning a profit, than there is more money from the football profit to spend on the football program. This hire gets you where you want to go.

The post that you are responding to is a product of Weaver. He spent his entire career acting like any money spent on any sport, including basketball, would come at the expense of football. It was an easy sell, especially at a "football school."

Football will always be king, but Football and Men's Basketball are referred to as "The Revenue Sport(s)" for a reason. Basketball can generate its own profits. The narrative doesn't have to be "Football vs. Basketball" It needs to start being "Football AND Basketball" like it is at so many schools.

And to be quite honest, they aren't the only sports with that potential for the future of athletics. At this point, I'd put baseball up there, especially in the ACC. No reason ACC baseball shouldn't be viewed along the same lines as single-A or double-A minor leagues. We should be able to charge admission and we should be able to make some revenue back from it. Even if you charged $5 a ticket, thats still money that will help offset costs to run the program.

And long-term, thinking big picture, if we could eventually develop a varsity hockey team, thats even more potential revenue for the school that would help offset costs, and potentially turn a profit.

So to summarize, its not just football. We need to be doing what we can to maximize revenue to have additional money to spend to further maximize revenue in the future. Build on ourselves, and we'll flourish in the future.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Considering that most ACC schools do charge admission for baseball, I don't see a problem with what you're saying.

I'd tier it though. $5 if you want a seat, less if you just want to sit out on the hill like lots of folks do.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I think before you can conceivably charge for a ticket there would need to be improvements to English Field. I love the open field style seating on one side but the other side is just blank. There are basically no seats in the out field and relatively speaking behind the plate looks smaller than that of other schools. Basically from my experiences there (prior to hosting the regional last year. So maybe I'm talking out my ass here) there would need to be an actual stadium with more than one concession stand for me to want to pay $5 to see the game. Also, I am not a huge fan of trying to park at the Field or even just trying to get there. Basically there was no buses or relatively close parking near where a stadium could be.

Whit Babcock awaits your comments.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Baseball should be be $5 a seat for non-students, but like someone above said there has to be some renovations and better parking. Walking across the practice track is harrowing. The hill on the third baseline could be converted into seats and there could be a grandstand in left. One thing you have to keep is Hillbilly Hecklers Hill in right, one of my absolute favorite places on campus.

Hockey might be a hard sell, as much as I wish we had a team, this isn't the Big 10 a lot of people don't grow up with hockey. Men's Lacrosse might be a better option with Maryland and Virginia being two hotbeds of the sport. The ACC has elite teams surrounding VT on all sides, it's fun and exciting to watch and we're in the right region to get good recruits.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

The future looks bright, and I can't wait to see the results of these investments in Hokie Athletics.

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Rockin in The Bakken.
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I love it. Now, let's get "Home of the Fighting Gobblers" back where it belong on Lane Stadium.

It is still on Lane. Its just on the inside of the concourse above the team store.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay