Kelly Bryant or Josh Jackson

The beginning of the season brought us Kelly Bryant as the "Next Big Thing" in college football. He was to set the world on fire and be better than his predecessor, DeShaun Watson. Yes they have blown out teams, but they also have struggled against Boston College and beat a Auburn team by just 8 points in the "vaunted" Death Valley. Looking at the team offense Statistics, I'm not sold on them.

Kelly Bryant has more experience than does Josh Jackson, however this season Jackson is beating him in most every category other than Rushing TD's. If you had your pick, which quarterback would you take?

Obviously both are important, which side of the ball is going to be more crucial in this game for Tech?

Kelly Bryant
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3728240/kelly-bryant

Josh Jackson
http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4037603/josh-jackson

Looking through various statistics, this should be one crazy game.

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I dunno. They've played tougher opponents than us. UL and Auburn are comparable to WVU and they didn't play an FCS team. It's too early to say but I guess we'll see.

I think the biggest difference there when comparing the schedules is Clemson's supporting cast. Overall, Clemson has a better receiving core than VT, which can help to cover up some mistakes from the QB.

I still wouldn't trade JJ for Bryant, but I think that has a big effect on the results of their games. Days where Bryant has a horrible day that can't be covered by the talent of others (IE the BC game) they have some issues.

Johnny Manziel has absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Johnny Manziel (in college) was also a much better QB at this point in his career than JJ or Bryant.

Good QB play can definitely cover up some poor WR talent, but the inverse is definitely a factor too.

Manziel just lobbed bombs to Mike Evans, the most dominant college receiver I can recall seeing recently.

Chad Pennington threw the ball to Randy Moss and parlayed that into a first round pick.

Bryant is more similar to AJ Bush. AJ looks identical to Kelly Bryant. Jackson is a different type of QB, heady, often accurate, a grinder, competitive, but not as physical as those two QBs.

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I'd take JJ because of his football IQ and high ceiling. One thing that impresses me is his maturity and ability to go through his progressions and read the defense at his age. This guy is a baller.

Edit: to clarify, I've watched both Kelly's and Josh's hudl senior videos and liked the skillset of Josh over Kelly.

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I'm not sure many Clemson fans would trade Bryant for JJ, but I'm not sure many VT fans would trade JJ for Bryant either. Both are promising young QBs who fit their respective systems well.

That said, I think while Bryant is the more elusive runner, JJ is a more polished passer at this stage in their young careers.

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Never thought I'd see the day where VT had a more polished passer (as a freshman, no less) than the defending national champions. We are certainly in a new era of Hokie Football.

I'll take JJ. This is going to be a tough game but it will look more the WVU game than the ACCCG from last year. With respect to pure physical attributes this Clemson team should be running people over but you can't discount the fact that sometimes every thing lines up just right and you get a Watson and Gallman on the same team. Both Watson and Gallman are smaller than Kelly and the other RBs (Watson in both height and weight and Gallman in weight) but they both played like they were HUGE. BC has a good defense and if their offense stays on the field for more than 3 downs yesterday's game looks very different. Sound familiar?

Because I can't help but be a contrarian, I don't think the Kelly Bryant has gotten all that much hype. I always got the feeling Bryant is portrayed in the media more as a stop-gap running qb who is good enough to keep the team winning. If anything his success has been downplayed or couched in "he's doing what he needs to do to help the team win" type talk. Joshie, meanwhile, has been getting fawning praise ever since that 50-yard run against WVU, despite being a freshman with only one game against good competition.

I think we have a tendency to ignore all the good things being said about our team and hyper-focus on everyone else's hype, but ESPN really does love us the moment we start winning.

but ESPN really does love us the moment we start winning.

That is all they care about! Well there is the sec, bigwhatever and prick 10.

Where is Lawson?!

i'm more scared of Etienne, the backup running back, its so hard to tackle that guy

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Then why is he the backup

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They've been rotating some, Feaster has been their 'every down back' but Etienne showed some stuff vs BC. we

I'll take JJ --> will see who makes the plays Saturday. Big key will be giving him just enough time and not forcing the issue like he forced that pick.

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JJ didn't force the pick.

The pick was just the right defensive call at the right time, and JJ not seeing the DE (I think it was the end) falling back into underneath coverage.

He did force the throw into Cam that turned into the People's Touchdown.

He did force the throw into Cam that turned into the People's Touchdown.

It was pretty much a hail mary. hahaha

But the promising thing is that in the replay JJ knew as soon as he released the ball that it was a bad decision.

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yeah it just pains me to see how open the screen was because they let it be to double cover the intended target.

Make the screen and you're looking at major yardage/TD. Instead we have a pick in the red zone.

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I was glad the first pic came this week instead of next from a mental standpoint for the kid.

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I'll take JJ! This tread needs this:

Where is Lawson?!

Bryant: 68%, 873 yds, 8.0 yds/att, 2td, 3int; 66 rushes, 268 yds, 4.1 yds/att, 7tds

Jax: 65%, 1127 yds, 9.7 yds/att, 11td, 1int; 32 rushes, 144 yds, 4.5 yds/att, 1td.

I'm surprised Bryant only has that many yards on the ground

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...and only 2 TD's passing.

7 TD's rushing seems to mean he's a major redzone threat with his legs.

Kelly Bryant is a very good player and has two wins over top 20 schools, including one on the road. I think he has a tougher road to hoe because Watson had more talent around him. Bryant will have to carry more of the load himself.

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I'm not sure what your Clemson preview will look like, but I'm curious to know what you anticipate Foster doing on Saturday evening. Will he do what he did to OSU in Columbus and force Kelly Bryant to beat us 1 on 1 down the field?

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I'll take the highest-rated QB in the conference, thanks. :)

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Bryant has a higher ceiling and more talent around him.

JJ has bee solid so far, but as previously stated, our last three games have been Delaware, ECU, and ODU. He was good against WVU, but the last three games have been cupcakes.

We find out a lot on Saturday.

Bryant is a very smooth and fast runner. That is really what scares me the most about him. As far as that goes he is an exceptional talent. He is a pretty good passer too, he has made some nice throws but he hasnt made a whole lot of difficult throws.

Jackson seems to be a pretty well polished quarterback who is beyond his years. Has made some real good decisions with the ball, and he really looks the part. He looks as good back there as any QB we have had in a while.

As far as picking one over the other, it is really hard to say. I think they both fit each other's schemes well. Im sure the Clemneck folks would call us crazy for having this discussion, but I dont believe it is that crazy of a question. As I said, Bryant has made some really nice throws, but not many difficult ones and facing minimal pressure. If our defense can keep them from playing easy pitch and catch and play the run pretty well, we will be ok. We need to get some licks on Bryant as well.

With the lack (compared to recent seasons) of big-time weapons around Bryant, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bud dial up pressure early, disguise/feign pressure, and vary the sources. If we can get him off schedule and out of rhythm, he's shown that he's a bit prone to getting impatient. Maybe we can get him to be careless with the ball. He's an elite athlete and a great runner. But he's young and relatively inexperienced, and that's the easiest thing for us to exploit.

Joshie Jack won the job, in large part, because CJF is so singularly focused on ball security and JJ - who also has had a year in the system - makes the best decisions (the two outliers in the ODU game notwithstanding). He's not a jump-off-the-screen athlete. He doesn't have a prototype frame; he doesn't have an elite arm; he's not terribly fast. BUT. He's a smart kid and a cool customer who can make all the throws this offense asks him to make. He can run when he has to (not a great accelerator, but decent open-field speed). He has good pocket awareness, understands that throwing the ball away beats a sack or a pick. In short, what he lacks in "wow" moments, he has made up for with heady, beyond-his-years play. Fuente's offense is all about taking what the D is giving him, and JJ's game is tailor-made for that.

Both quarterbacks will face serious physical pressure from the opposing defense, but I'll take JJ's level head, intelligence and understanding of the offense - and the fact that the game is in Lane. And all the pressure to win is on Clemson. Not many people outside this board are giving us more than a puncher's chance. So I hope we use the crowd, play loose, and limit mistakes. We'll need all of it to win.

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He's not a jump-off-the-screen athlete. He doesn't have a prototype frame; he doesn't have an elite arm; he's not terribly fast. BUT. He's a smart kid and a cool customer who can make all the throws this offense asks him to make. He can run when he has to (not a great accelerator, but decent open-field speed). He has good pocket awareness, understands that throwing the ball away beats a sack or a pick. In short, what he lacks in "wow" moments, he has made up for with heady, beyond-his-years play.

Something like a young Tom Brady, maybe(with better wheels)?

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Or Peyton Manning?

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If CornFu is getting this kind of play out of JJ, what will they do when they get QP? I can't wait to see that.

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Should be an interesting watch over the next couple years. Next year our QB room will be, um, what's the word? Loaded. JJ, AJ, HH, QPII, and DeJuan Ellis (great athlete, not a great name for initials).

AJ Bush looks like a guy I want on the field - even if it's not as a QB. His size and athleticism are apparent - but if he didn't beat out Jackson this summer, he probably won't moving forward. I don't see how Ellis stacks up in that room (literally - he's kinda small), but he can fly and he handles the ball well and would be a holy terror catching passes and running the ball. With this depth, I'd be shocked if QP didn't get The Shirt. That leaves Hook, who (to my eye) has the best combination of quarterbacking skill & physical ability, and JJ, who's only leading the conference in passer rating and has us 4-0 while protecting the ball and playing like a veteran.

All I'm really saying is that whoever wins the QB1 next season is going to be a very good quarterback. Could 2018's QB group be the deepest, most talented that we've ever fielded?

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JJ because Kelly is a girls name.

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lol... Who said Kelly Bryant was the next best thing? I remember hearing it was his job to lose with Hunter Johnson and (next year with) Trevor Lawrence in the waiting.

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Bryant has 2 passing TDs & 3 INTs, very interesting. I'll take JJ every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Also, Bryant has been sacked 10x, compared to just 4 for JJ. I think there are some opportunities here, fellow Hokies!

It could come down to "simply" stopping the run and forcing Bryant to throw. I know, I know, easier said than done. If anyone can do it, Bud and his crew can!

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I think comparing the stats between the two is dangerous based on the level of competition the two teams have faced.

I've been very pleased with JJ and I like how he protects the ball and makes smart decisions. However, three of our four games have been against cupcakes. It is easy to put up big numbers against teams like ECU and ODU.

Clemson has played Auburn and Louisville so far. BC is also known for having a good defense (I know we destroyed them last year).

I think both are good players and we'll find out A LOT on Sat night. Both QBs are going against the best defenses they've faced all season.

I'd go with Jackson

But if I wasn't allowed to choose Jackson I'd have to go with Quincy Patterson

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Bryant this year, JJ next year.

Brant has the talent support now, JJ won't need it next year.

Bront is going to be more effective now, JJ will be more effective as he gains experience.

They're good quarterbacks, Bront.