June 2018 - recruiting thread part 2

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[0] Does anyone really ever read this?

Yes, yes we do.

The October 2017 pinned cracks me up. Just a random oversight. Or maybe it is for historical significance. I can't remember if something monumental happened.

I was actually going to post about this earlier today. I think it is time to remove the pin.

My bad y'all, pin has been removed.

I think that was the first time we split recruiting threads into multiple parts, pinned to make sure the boilerplate language was preserved somewhere easy to find.

Any of you folks with sauces know if we are planning on two RBs or if the scholarship crunch will limit us to one?

We were planning on two before. Houston was to complement Ford. I would assume we're still in that boat, unless numbers become a problem.

No sauces here but Houston + another RB (Gary, eh?) would be a pretty damn good RB haul.

"Give me a fu¢king beer", Anonymous Genius

So I am trying to piece together how we will finish out the class. My best guess for silent commits goes:
RB Houston
WR T. Robinson
OL R. Simonds

That leaves us at 11, leaving 4-6 spots left:
DL Mario Kendrick
DL Adarious Jones
TE Nick Gallo
S Khalid Martin
Maybe 1 more OL and RB, and maybe an Ath

Yeah... that guy is a "Dude".

Edit: does the fact that Dax tweeted this mean that he's on the radar for us and us for him??

Is it football season yet?

If you play high school football in North Carolina, you know about Virginia Tech, if you are the #1 RB in NC (NC2VT), I'm confident VT knows about you.

And According to 247 we have offered him

I thought Penn State only took top rated RBs from Virginia

*ducks*

assuming you mean the 5* RB and not the 3* DB duke commit

Chem PhD '16

Wait hes telling us to twit at croots? /SSSSSSSS

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Gonna go out on a very short limb and say we have no shot with Crouch.

this picture makes him look a 40 year old man who put on a wig to convince everyone he's 17.

Hey this is East Coast High School Football not Texas high school basketball

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I'm pretty sure the name Quavaris Crouch more or less guarantees you a spot at Hogwarts.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

HW2VT

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Wait. We're not supposed to tweet @ croots, but what if croots tweet @ us?

via GIPHY

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Finally, I see some proof of what I've thought all along:

VT recruiting has been improving over time. Bitter provides a decent explanation, but it supports my suspicion that overall recruiting quality has been going up. He's optimistic about this year's recruiting as well, even with a smaller recruiting class, that looks to be a very high quality group. The small number of recruits will actually tend to boost the number when viewed from this perspective.

Andy Bitter article on VT recruiting

Man those early 2000s numbers are wildly misleading

Porque?

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Because the ratings in reroactively applying the composite scores are incredibly lazy outside of the top 150 players and result in a huge drop.

Take a look at our 2004 class compared to 2018. Walker Culver and Justin Harper. Both are about 550 in the country. But Culver is at .87 and Harper is at .83. Gilchrist is at 322 and is still a full 4 points behind Connor ( who's a 4 star). Gilchrists rating would make him seem like a borderline top 900 player today, comparable Adams, instead of the top 300 player he was.

Basically there's a huge dropoff in ratings that makes classes incomparable over that period.

In the 2000's Rivals was the premier recruiting service. 247 and their composite ranking came on very strong during this decade. I think those early numbers are quite not particularly correct, or at the very least not very comparable to the current composite rankings.

Even when I was in HS, 2009-'12, I used Rivals to follow recruiting. 247 exploded while I was in college. I haven't checked Rivals or - God forbid ESPN recruiting - in so long I can't remember.

I stopped using ESPN a while back as well, last time I tried to check I think you needed to be an Insider.

Can we adjust it to include class size? Interested to see if that matter like you mentioned and how this current small class compares.

And what conclusion do we draw if the 2019 number drops from what is likely it's high water mark to something in the 87 range?

I read Bitter's article and what I'd like to know is whether there has been any subtle, but gradual, grade inflation in general? Was he (and others) comparing apples to apples?

I suspect a better gauge is not the absolute number itself, but rather where that number ranks in the pecking order. If your average rating is increasing, but your avg star ranking remains roughly the same, is recruiting really improving?

I know that some folks also like to say the number of P5 offers is also improving, but I'd be willing to bet that the number of offers "reported" by the various recruiting sites in general has increased substantially in just the last 5 years - let alone 10 or 15 years. How many P5 offers did #250, #500, and so on get in 2014 vs 2019?

Like you said, it's a data point, and only useful when comparing to like data points.

Still, it's a pretty positive data point at the moment.

There are definitely more offers because not all offers are equal. Evan Watkins said schools now throw out about 200 offers each year. Huge uptick in recent years that results in players getting offers that usually won't be honored after they camp with the team.

The rankings I would say have been a little inflated but I wouldn't think they've been inflated dramatically in the last 8-10 years. Especially since the composite I think it's been pretty consistent.

I think you are correct on all of those points. All attempts that I have seen to quantify that our recruiting is improving are flawed.

That said, intuitively, I think our recruiting has improved...maybe even dramatically. We are offering more, spreading our geographic footprint, recruiting to our offensive and defensive system better, really good at evaluations at certain positions (QB, in particular, sticks out). We are involved with more highly ranked kids and often in the final group of kids we don't get. I think we've opened up more space between us and some lesser rivals like Pitt, UVA, UNC. (NCSU is our biggest current problem as far as taking away recruits we want, but we don't play them often. GT still can't recruit under Johnson). It's getting there.

I'm not sure it has much further to go, however. Maybe one more tick. But I don't think VT can recruit like Clemson and that means they certainly can't recruit like UGA or Bama.

I agree with your middle paragraph.

Recruiting rankings are based on subjective rankings, and are therefore flawed, but overall sentiment about the program is, I think, improving. I think you've pointed to some good reasons why.

If we can put some distance between our program and others in the ACC, and I think we have, we'll continue to be perceived as part of the top echelon of the ACC. That's not a bad place to be for now. Our recruiting has been solid, the administration is solid, and the coaching is solid. I look forward to seeing how these things intersect to put results on the field.

A definite improvement in recruiting is finding players who play a position, fit the system, and are also highly rated. There were too many guys in the past that were highly ranked but were tweeners, or had to switch to 3 different positions, or were general athletes that we hoped would find a position at some point after arrival. I feel like it's much more organized in terms of the planned future role of every player. Past Tech rosters had a great 1st team and a huge drop off to the back ups, They were also unbalanced in terms of consistently lacking in enough bodies at certain positions such as offensive line, quarterback, or linebacker. Definitely seems as though the team is gettin more quality depth and more well rounded. I think some of it is a product of going outside the state at some positions that VA has not consistently produced great college talent at, and bringing in a few guys at every key positional group in every class without droughts - except for a brief drought at CB that is magnified with recent early departures, suspensions and injury.

I believe when it's all said and done. It will be in the .87 range that is if we land a couple more high profile guys. All n all .87 range will be a good haul for Vt according to the size of the class.

Hokie Love!

Depending on how final rankings shake out it could be higher. I think with the expected class I calculated around .88. Definitely looking good, and its looking good early.

https://247sports.com/Player/Tiquest-Terry-46040557/Videos

Does anybody know what happened with this kid? I know he's going to UVA but he seems to have a pretty small offer list. I remember thinking his sophomore tape was ridiculous.

Is Blacksburg high school football competition just a really poor gauge?

I went to several Blacksburg games last year and thought he was the most talented player on the field every time. No sauces but I think his size is the issue.

We were just saying we needed more Wynns.

But do you think we Cam actually land this kid?

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If you have to ask, then you can't a Ford it

Hokies offered LB Ryan Jones from friendship collegiate in Washington DC class of 2020 yesterday. I really cant find to much info about him anywhere other than I know he trains with roc carmicheals new training group demigawd athletes.

on a sidenote....what I imagine goes on at friendship collegiate all day long

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

A bunch of shoebies that wear sneakers in the coean?

Pssh, no thanks, we have standards.

I get that he lives 15 min away from Raleigh and the Bradley Chubb effect is an easy sell, but is anyone a little more peeved than usual that Savion Jackson went to NC State. I shake my head but understand VT targets that go to Ohio State, Clemson, Penn State, Alabama, but to lose a key target to a team that might have one more magical "8-4" season in the next 4 years finishing 3rd or 4th in the Coastal when he could help us compete for ACC Championships and playoff runs is disappointing.

He's going to the hometown school really hard to blame him. Probably grew up a State fan. Why wouldn't he go there?

#repyourstate

it would be pretty magical if they managed to finish third in the coastal

Chem PhD '16

I'd be impressed.

It's not just Bradley Chubb. All 4 of State's starting linemen were drafted this year. Dadi was our last DE drafted.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Not necessarily peeved in regards to Jackson, because its been clear that he was very unlikely to come to VT for quite a while, but I definitely agree with where you're going here.

It is understandable (still frustrating) to lose targets to Ohio State, Clemson, ND, Bama, ect. They are "name" programs that have money, resources, and brand recognition that we don't. It certainly has to be difficult for recruits to not be swayed by that.

But teams like NC State we should be consistently beating for targets, especially at positions of need. They have similar resources, and since Phil Rivers, NC State Football has accomplished nothing of any note. But with guys like McNeill, Gonzalez, Graves going to the Pack in recent cycles, we have not been able to consistently win these battles.

If we really want to see our Recruiting start making major strides, we need to start beating NC State consistently and there is really no logical reason why we should not be. I would throw UMd and USC-e in to that category as well. After that, we can start worrying about beating out Bama for 5*'s.

Edit: meant to be a Response to dcvt13

They're starting to get some $$$. I saw something not long ago showing how they were near the top of the ACC in donations to their athletic programs. Also, according to NCAA finance records, they almost doubled their revenue from 2007 ($47 mil) to 2016 ($80 mil) while we have improved, but not near as much ($65 mil in 2007 and $83 mil in 2016). I would assume their trend of growth has continued and it shows at times. Their average class rating isn't great, but they can get some top guys. Got Ricky Person and Alim McNeil last year along with flipping Payton Wilson from UNC.

Raleigh's just a lil less isolated than Blacksburg, too.

Chem PhD '16

I think we are beating NC State for a lot of targets. I bet they would love to have Dax and the rest of our #NC2VT haul last year.

Our motto bringing spirit true, that we may ever serve you

I bet plenty of other schools stay the same thing when a player chooses VT over their school.

Agree totally. O&M sunglasses. Could it be that NC State is an up and comer that the hometown boy wanted to play for?

Uhh, NC State had their best recruiting class by a wide margin last year....and finished 26th, still 2 spots behind us. In 2017 they finished 53rd. In 2016 they finished 50th. In 2015 they had a pretty good year and finished 31st, still 2 spots behind us in Beamer's final class. We do consistently beat out NC State for recruits and have consistently better classes. One result is not a trend and sometimes there's just nothing you can do on an individual basis, especially when you are talking about a school in the same conference with a similar level of resources.

I know that he is fast.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

GUYS ITS HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!! /s

It's not the worst if it brings you HOME.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

lol

I'd say there's roughly a 90% chance that this is a Drake lyric

Drake got bodied by a hometown hero. All hail King Push!!

irrelevant to this conversation, but I just had to share.

So, someone else wrote it?

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Quentin

Keshon Artis has been all over twitter as well.

Every Jesse Hanson tweet that I see only further convinces me that he is destined to become my favorite Hokie.

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I believe we are a favorite here

I believe this boy missed the day in "being a recruit 101" where they teach you how to pick a badass picture for your twitter posts.

My reaction could also be because I can't stop seeing this shot as though he's throwing the ball instead of catching.

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All I see is Ed.

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

I'm going to college...yaaaaaay

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I can bring two of my friends! Yay!

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

Based on the one prediction for him, which was made today at 1:30 PM, I'd say it seems pretty likely he's committing to Purdue.

I'd guess we're looking to only take one TE and the focus is Nick Gallo.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Update: 8 predictions to Purdue. He gone

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

We'll gladly take Gallo and add that family as another one where we take all of the siblings and all of the children.

The Poster Formerly Known As The Spirit Of Bernard Basham

NC State just got CBs for JR Walker (assumed he was already going there), Joshua Harris, Zonovan Knight and Khalid Martin. I really hope they don't take all those guys. How are we sitting with Khalid now that Harris went to UT? Wondering if he might not be a take anymore if we really want Hazel, Pinckney, and Robinson.

Yeah I thought Martin was a take for us but with limited spots it must be either a dwindling pursuit from VT or increased pressure from NC State. Either way was hoping to land at least him and/or Knight but it looks like all 4 might favor state. Like RealDehil mentioned earleir, with 4 NC State DL getting drafted and Nyhiem Hines getting drafted as well.

I kind of understood the Barkley going #2 overall argument (even though I don't really agree with it because I think recruiting is more complex), but are we really going to postulate that Nyheim Hines going in the 4th round is somehow making NC State attractive to RBs now? Because that would be an unfathomably dumb reason to go to NC State.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I'm honestly in the camp that Barkley didn't matter a whole lot. The only way I think players going to the NFL from a certain school matters that much is when you're either Bama, who puts like 4 guys in the first round every year, or Clemson with the D line because every year a d lineman leaves they are a first rounder. I don't think one guy in the last however many years matters that much, let alone a guy drafted in the 4th round like you said. If that were the case, where are all our top linebackers, safeties, and defensive tackles at this year?

I hear you but you're also thinking like an objective adult. I guarantee Penn State sells kids on "being the next Saquan" and I'm sure that argument has an impact on 17 to 18 year old kids even if the rest of us think it sounds silly.

Using /s is for cowards.

I just haven't seen it happen that much with other schools that have an-all star get picked up early first round. I've seen it with schools that do it consistently, Clemson D line, ND/Stanford O line, but I just haven't seen it happen when one guy out of 20 does it.

I honestly think its a coping mechanism for our fanbase. Instead of saying we lack something in our recruiting, we say oh he went because they just sent Saquon #2. I had a Clemson fan I work with yesterday tell me they lost Zacch Pickens (#1 SDE, #19 Nat) to South Carolina because Clemson has a few top end recruits and he doesn't want to compete. Yea, the #1 SDE in the entire country doesn't want to compete with other completely unproven guys to earn a spot on a defensive line whose entirety is departing for the NFL next year. The kid just liked USC more for whatever reason. Could be a great job by them or Clemson messed up along the way somewhere.

I know every kid is different and maybe Devyn did go for that reason, but I just don't see proof of that kind of thing often, and when I hear other things about his recruitment from insiders or from him in interviews, I go with that rather than assume it was a reason completely out of our control just to make me feel better.

There are a thousand different reasons why 17 & 18 year old kids make major decisions, I'm sure it would be a disservice to try and figure out each one.

With that being said, one thing that the NCSU backfield offers RB's that VT doesn't (or at least hasn't for some time) is carries.

I think it is going to be difficult to land a big time RB until the staff can show that they don't mind leaning on one guy heavily... or at the very least, feeding the 'hot hand.'

Is it football season yet?

I covered this in another post but I don't even think the featured back argument is especially true. Penn State under Franklin split carries between Bill Belton, Akeel Lynch, and Zach Zwinak before Barkley arrived the next season. In 2015 NC State split carries between Brissett (139), Dayes (134), Gallaspy (66), Samuels (56), Hines (48), Nichols (43), and Thornton (30). That's even worse than what we did last year, yet three years later they seem to be fine.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

plus Coach Fu has always said that if he thought he had an every-down featured back, he'd use him like one

Chem PhD '16

There's the rub. We haven't had a guy produce like a feature back (sidestepping arguments about the o-line) thus we can't really feature a "feature" back. In essence, to recruit the feature back, said feature back has to believe he'll be a feature back; BUT the system has to feature a feature back to recruit the feature back.

That puts us about here:

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

This is like trying to get an entry-level job when they all want you to have 6 years of experience

I hear you... and the numbers don't lie. I still can't help but think that the rotation is weird and that we don't have the tendency to feed 'the hot hand'.

All of that is somewhat anecdotal though, as I don't have a single piece of tangible evidence to back up my argument.

Is it football season yet?

RealDehil

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Yeah Evan Watkins put a CB for Martin to NC State too.

We haven't done well at all in NC this year and NCSU is the main reason for that.

At one point, we were in pretty good position with: S.Jackson, AHarris, JHarris, Walker, Kenion, Freshwater, Knight, Martin and Thomas and we are likely to leave with none of them.

Well hopefully we dominate NC next year when they have 4 5* croots

Better hop on that now.

They are a bit weak this year and may have caused us to concentrate elsewhere

Hindsight is 20/20 but at this point the only two of those guys you listed that I am sad about are Jackson and DT Harris. I like our DB class as it is, don't need a LB, and I wasn't that high on Knight and Kenion. Obviously I hope in the future we can continue to land quality prospects from NC, but other than d-line I think we were able to fill out our class just fine.

All these 'cruits 'cruiting other 'cruits is awesome. It seems like these guys already have amazing chemistry and they haven't even set foot on the field yet - that can only net positive results on both sides of the ball.

Exciting times forthcoming. No #sauces...just a tingling sensation.

You might want to see a doctor about that last part...

Or some female companionship...

...unless that was how you started tingling in the first place...

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

That and VT football what's the difference?

I was only in hour two so the color threat level of the tingling was only yellow. Given the up and down nature of our recruiting saying "babe I've been reading the recruiting thread again" could lead to a couple possible outcomes.

Wait. It was tingling and yellow?

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Saw today that one of the basketball coaches is leaving for Texas A&M some assistant.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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He has been on Buzz's staff for 5 years, 35 years of basketball knowledge. Texas A&M got a good coach. Hope Buzz can find a good pick up to replace him

They got Isaac Chew a couple years ago as well.

Always trading coaches with A&M:
- moorehead
- chew
- nix
- Reynolds

Can't help but think chew's recommendation is part of why they hired Reynolds.

Damnit chew.

I heard Bud's going there too. /s

Te to qb

I bet that's about $$$$$.

Losing crystal balls for Donovan Beaver. 50% Va Tech now. Warm on Florida and West Virginia. Simonds could be our last OL recruit for this class.

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

Numbers strongly suggest that 3 OL is about our limit. I'd be pretty stoked if that 3rd was Simonds.

He is on campus for his official visit and commits Wednesday

Pitt has gotten like 7 commitments this week. Maybe Diethorn was holding them back

Did they not have any before this week?

Correct, they had zero as of 6/09 and now have 8

What caliber of recruit are they getting commitments from? High 4 and 5, mid and low 4, high 3?

All 3 star guys. Good for the 30th ranked class right now, but I'd say that's mostly on the back of having 11 guys committed. Momentum for them, but I don't see anything there to get worried about. If we pulled these guys in the past week, the boards would be lit up with "G5 coaches pull in G5 recruiting class... blah blah blah...."

When are we getting that guy Wiggins alluded to earlier this week? By my count we have 2-3 silent commits and the 1 new recruit who we're supposed to hear from soon? 🤔

I know, this is silly. I understand dropping some teaser and stuff or getting people hyped a day or 2 early but dropping that tweet and then not hearing anything for a week kills any momentum we had going

While I do agree with you that this isn't ideal, we also don't know everything going on behind the scenes, this may not have been the plan but extenuating circumstances forced them to a plan B

VT '17

Mario Kendrick's commitment announcement on June 30th. Looks like we may not need LA to reach into his BAG for some defensive tackles and ends on this one.

https://247sports.com/college/virginia-tech/Article/Virginia-Tech-Hokies...

"That team is gonna win football games, ok, they've got good players and good schemes and all that kind of stuff, BUT NOT TODAY!!! NOT TODAY!!"
- CJF

Norrel Pollard is committing on July 1st. They visited VT together

Norrel Pollard is committing on July 1st June 18th. They visited VT together

FTFY

"That team is gonna win football games, ok, they've got good players and good schemes and all that kind of stuff, BUT NOT TODAY!!! NOT TODAY!!"
- CJF

Love Kendricks but am meh on Pollard. Think he needs a few years of reshaping his body. Kendricks should be able to contribute right away.

Does Pollard have a good upside to him though? Someone like a Ricky Walker whose impact would be 3 years into the program but then is a bell cow for the DL?

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Different body type than Ricky. Also don't see him having the same twitch as Ricky.

I didn't mean a direct comparison to his playing style, just from a developmental time frame and potential.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Adarious Jones is much more like Ricky Walker. I question if his frame will let him play at the same size as Ricky though.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

We're in the center, which means he already said he's coming here. Book it.

More actual news: the OL boat is full after Simonds commits on the 20th and Moore has been trending out of state for a year.

OK. Does anyone know what the happy hell is going on with our last open spot for the 2018 Hoops Recruiting? Earlier today Anthony Higgs was showing committed to VT on 6/15:

Now he's not showing committed anymore just a couple hours later. Personally, there are other players on our radar that I'd rather have than this guy *coughcoughDarius Bazley* but this whole thing is just bizarre.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Sounds like based on his twitter that someone said he committed when he actually did not

He also just got an offer from Louisville

Well that sounds enthusiastic

"Blessed to have received another offer from the University of Louisville."

Isn't this the right time for the sketchy gif of the banana and pizza doing adult things that threw the other thread off the rails...?

sometimes a gif will just hit ALL the right context. well done

is that Papa John's? seems appropriate.

🦃 🦃 🦃

Apparently this gif is from a tv show that targets children ages 5-7.

targets

I see what you did there.

wait till this comes out.... woah

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Wait until what comes out? Hopefully you are talking about a commit and not a hot sauce stain on your shirt.....

VHokie

the story behind this one (behind a pay wall issue). The basketball team has some balls and I'm not talking the orange kind.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

The blue kind? Give us something to go off of

I will wait till this kid commits then I will feel safer saying...

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Did he commit and our program tell him no? Sounds like where this is headed.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

OOOOOOO this sounds juicy and delicious kinda like my fresh devilled eggs I make with miracle whip

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Pretty savage

Recruit Prosim

Guess the man couldn't wait, good for him! I love it! Hopefully Kendricks and Jones ain't far behind!

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

GOD BLESS ACTUAL RECRUIT NEWS SWEET BABY JESUS ITS NIT MAYONAISE

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I feel partly to blame for the mayonnaise debacle.

I think a whole spoonful of Hokies are to blame.

Mmmmmmm......pie.

I was really hoping to keep the 110% going, but more is good. Awesome news!

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Pollard will be Luther Maddy good!

Jeremiah 29:11 and Go Hokies!

ANOTHER SILENT?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

No. That was Pollard.

No it wasn't

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

I think EddieVT was saying that the Fuente tweet was in regards to Pollard, not another silent

Chem PhD '16

Correct. Fuente's tweet came shortly after Pollard's Twitter announcement.

Got it. My b

^^Liked by Payoute and followed up with

This helps... Tayvion's tweet left me wondering if he meant he received big news this past Sunday, or that he had big news for this coming Sunday...

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"Got" is past tense...

But it's twitter so...

Could it be poor grammar and he meant "I've got big news on Sunday"?

Chem PhD '16

Exactly, both of you highlighted my confusion. "Got" isn't always used as past tense (i.e. I've got to stop by the store for beer and chicken wings before heading to the tailgate). But it also read like he might have gotten some big news... dammit offseason.

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"I've got to" is one of those weird common things that really doesn't make any sense. "I have to" makes more sense. "I've to" sounds ridiculous.

Agreed, which is why I was just pointing out how the word is used, not whether it's used properly.

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Oh I know. Just thinking out loud with that comment.

The assistant director of football operations retweeted it.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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All 8 CB's currently on VT right now.

So...Pedo State. Got it.

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I feel like our 3 silents have to be Kendricks, Robinson, Simonds.

Kendricks and Pollard were set to commit on back to back days before Pollard jumped ahead. Those 2 are buddies. Robinson and Simonds I feel like are heavy VT leans.

I got some beers. Let's drink 'em!

I believe it has been said elsewhere that Simonds is not one of the silents, I could see Robinson being one though

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I thought it was said by someone that Kendricks was not one of the silents. From reading way too many recruiting threads, I feel pretty confident that Simonds and Robinson are 2 of the 3.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Nick Gallo just committed to the good guys

I'm so excited!!!!!

Who's next?!?!?!?!?????????!!!!!!!!!

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Riley Simonds/Tayvion Robinson/Mario Kendricks are the next three announcing with us in the mix

I would say Riley Simonds, but he just got 3 CB's to UF. He is committing tomorrow so expect FSU.

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Every time I see this gif I think of this...

Edit: finally got in front of a computer to embed

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Zack Morris is Trash is great lol

PA2VA

1-0 every week

Yuussss!

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Anyone heard any developments on Riley Simonds? Looks like he's UF bound out of nowhere according to 247...

Seems really strange the CB's flipped after his OV to Tech this weekend and not after his UF visit three weeks ago. I honestly thought this one was in the bag.

It seems some things happened with his last visit. Possible questions around his conditioning. Also hear he might not be a UF take either, so he might be pushing back his commitment?

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Gallo's a Hokie. Can't post the twitter!!!

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Was HE one of the silent commits?

No

Apparently not, I honestly have no idea anymore.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

We are all silent commits

Shit Nevermind I'm late

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

That's what my wife said.
8 months later, we had our 2nd kid.
Almost exactly 12 months after our 1st.

Hokie fan | W&M grad

Soooo, what you're saying is...

Is it football season yet?

xkcd actually documented this process:

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This is the greatest thing I've ever seen.

So yet again the wise will ponder was this a silent or still got 3 I'm so confused I don't know which ways up?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Apparently not, but hell if I know anymore.

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

We're all one happy confused family at this point nobody knows what's going on not even the insiders it's pure chaos

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Riley Simonds is no longer a take because Darnell Wright is a silent.

Is that a fact?

5 Star OT.

Story checks out.

It's settled then. All in favor say "aye".

Aye

Easyyy on my heartstrings

“Stats are for losers.” -Mel Kiper Jr.

Fantastic gif combination. A+

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby


if he is a silent commit..ALL ABOARD

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For the record I would love for this to happen. And also to get a 5 star OT

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Do you want to get internet jumped? Because making things up like this will get you internet jumped.

Using /s is for cowards.

So you are saying its not true?

Danny is always open
23 can't read

Are you saying it is?

Using /s is for cowards.

You're playing a veeryyyyyyyy dangerous game

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Who?

I don't think that looks likely, but I hope to hell I am wrong.

All aboard that hype train!

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All aboard, all aboard! Choo choo!
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I'm so confused by these posts...and you know what? I like it!

Don't have kids? It's Choo Choo Soul, a kids show duo.

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Don't know how to embed a video, so just click the link. It'll be good for you (and give you super powers).

https://youtu.be/2sw7LIRaL0g

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I got you:

i made it to the 1:06 mark before i had to stop. I challenge you to do better

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Ok.

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So Simmonds isn't a take for us anymore. Apparently he's too heavy now?

...but how's that an issue? Aren't we going to red-shirt and make him live in the gym until his sophomore season anyways? Not like we need the OL right now.

Is it lack of discipline of gaining weight?

That seems to be the case at least for now; however, some of the insiders say there are other "weird" issues that they'll release once the dude commits somewhere.

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83 over on TSL reported that he weighed in at over 350 pounds. That's not a good thing when his listed weight is 290. Personally, I'd still take him but I can understand the trepidation.

Maybe we should take him, and draw up a hook and lateral play for him.

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He is 324 or something on 247.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

That was his weight before lunch.

A picture is worth a thousand words. A gif is worth a million.

He could get his weight down, but it probably shows a lack of work ethic by the kid. Coaches talk about grinding, being tough, going to work, etc. Ballooning up to 350 probably does not leave a good impression. Also, maybe the coaches had told him previously that he needs to be at a certain weight. If they wanted him at 300-325 and he is 350.....

350 probably does not leave a good impression

"Define 'good'." - Simonds' couch

/sssssokidding

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

/sssssokidding

Simond's couch: "No, you're really not."

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His couch just hired some extra support staff....

VHokie

I seem to recall a recent "punt returner" weighing in a 360 lbs. However, he also had great "quick twitch" abilities and is now in the NFL.
This doesn't really translate to OL though, I can't see an OG kicking out many defensive ends on pulling plays at 350 lbs. The jury is still out, a lot can change with a nutrition plan and year or two in the gym.

Maybe we are going to get a bigger fish (not physically), and we needed an excuse for him to not be a take

We have any Class of 2027 Scholarships left?

OPI /s

Narduzzi just threw his coffee mug into the wall after watching this and not seeing an offensive PI flag.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Ben Smiley just retweeted this. Which is already a retweet of himself, so he just retweeted himself retweeting himself.

Chem PhD '16

He really wants those highlights out there

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

What's up with William Pritchard?

Just got back from Illinois, I like him as much or better than Simonds anyway. Opposite end of the spectrum, on the smaller side but gets after it. His film shows some dirt dog.

Are we cooling on Beaver? Any chance with Jakai Moore?

And are we really in contention w/ the 5-star guy from WV or is that just TKP being silly?

I think Simmonds spot has essentially been opened for Pritchard, if he wants it. Beaver isn't a take right now. Due to numbers and him likely going OOS, I don't think Moore has been a huge priority.

Well Riley Simonds is not one of the silent commits

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I'm ok with that

Keep calm, Gobble on

I honestly doubt his recruitment is over. Could see him changing his mind down the road. I hope I'm wrong, just a funny feeling about this kid

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Change his mind in what sense? As of now, it sounds like he's no longer a take at VT.

If you're referencing a comment from above about Darnell Wright, know that it was in sarcasm.

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No talking Simmonds, who I think BAG was referencing. I didn't think we had any chance with Wright at all.

ok yeah but why do you not think Simonds was a take at VT, that came out of nowhere

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247 folks gave hints but a lot was left behind the scenes so it's best to just move forward

Keep calm, Gobble on

Oh hey outoftowner. Surprised to see you back here after clowning TKP on the 247 board a couple of days ago.

He has to be around to keep downvoting unrelated posts.

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I think it's pretty clear I don't care about up or downvoting on posts.

Lol when someone basically admits to fitting in better on the 247 boards than over here, that basically tells you all you need to know.

Using /s is for cowards.

I read through a few topics where TKP comes up. Wow that place is a cesspool for "fans".

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They may have been handed out on Christmas Day, but they were still misfits, like those on 247.

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I enjoy following recruiting and actual football news. Some of the stuff here is good and I find interesting. I do find pages of gifs or talk about completely random topics as enjoyable.

Some of the stuff here is good and I find interesting. I do find pages of gifs or talk about completely random topics as enjoyable.

so everything here is good and interesting and enjoyable then

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Haha hell of a time to mistype a post.

You do?

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Man, ya'll love drama. The longer a thread goes the higher the probability someone is going to get called out.

Reminds me of Godwin's Law lol

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

I think you're missing the whole context.

That's the point. Context isn't available as it's entirely unrelated to this thread.

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

Bringing up Godwin's law in the middle of a discussion is an example of Godwin's law.

Ehh I see what you're trying to say, but I don't think that's true.

if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds.

A comparison was made to Godwin's Law, not specifically to the mustached maniac.

...But anyways, now we're way off topic so I guess I'm part of the problem.

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

You know who else was a problem?

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Charlie Chaplin?

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

Godwin's law isn't calling someone out for something they did. It's about invoking a particular part of history. Comparing someone to Hitler is the ultimate insult, and it's also always a great exaggeration, as it's doubtful anyone you're having an internet discussion with has killed millions of people.

Mentioning Godwin's law is invoking that particular part of history, even if it's an indirect reference. Nothing before your reference had anything to do with that.

In this case, someone was called out for something very specific.

That's kind of what I was getting at. I tried to say it very succinctly, and in a tongue in cheek way, but sometimes that doesn't work. Like you said, now we're WAY off topic.

Did he change his mind or did the coaches change their mind?
....or was it the couch that changed it's mind?

VHokie

Thats now two Buford prospects in a row that changed their commitment the day before their commitment (Anthony Grant). I don't know the details behind Simonds and his flip but interesting to see guys who we thought were locks to VT change their mind last minute.

It really wasn't a flip. It sounds like VT lost interest because he's been hitting up buffets 3-4 nights a week.

Looks like payoute got a composite score from 247......dropped to 10th overall in the state. Obviously 247 likes him more than the other services. Rivals has him at #23 in state. Didn't care to look at espn.

Espn has him at a low 4* I believe, but rivals was a low 3*... hopefully they'll reevaluate... or maybe, hopefully not?

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They can re-evaluate him after he signs the papers

The few times I've been on Rivals site, I don't trust their rankings. They never seem to have very much information on these kids or they just don't post it. It looks like they either aren't that great, or are purely there to evaluate talent rather than track recruitment. But with 247 and ESPN being fairly high on him and his athletic upside I'm super hype about him.

Was he the one that was ranked #2 in the state when he commited? I think we all knew that was probably not gonna last, but still happy to have him.

Yes, he was unrated up until that satellite camp. 247 immediately rated him as a 93 (4-star) & #2 in VA, then he committed.

The other services took some time and just released ratings for him..
ESPN as an 80 (low 4-star) & #10 in VA and
Rivals as like an 5.5 (low 3-star) & #23 in VA

His 247 composite rating (.8898) is just a hair below the 4-star rating threshold (0.89)

I'm sure those ratings will coalesce more once the recruiting groupthink sets in...

Scouting report for Tay from GSC. They project him to Bama but I feel like this kid will be a Hokie very soon...

Edit: Tay doesn't have an offer from Bama, so I dunno where that factors in for the writer... also this thing is full of typos but an interesting read anyway.

https://twitter.com/RobinsonTayvion/status/909550044327661569

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The typos in that make it nearly unreadable. I also get a kick out of the fact that he's simultaneously compared to a guy who had 1 catch as a freshman and a first-round pick.

Yeah, it's pretty bad for something like that to get past editing and agree the comparisons raise an eyebrow, but thought it was worth a share. Regardless, I really like Tay's upside and I'm looking forward to Sunday.

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yes, I would love to see him bring those back paddle skills to tech

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Bold statement: that analysis did not come from an organization with an on-staff editor.

His back paddle might be very good. None of his tape has shown him in a pool.

Cam Phillips comp?

After carving out playing time as a freshman starting WR and CB...

Are you really carving out playing time if you're starting? To me, that means getting playing time in bits and pieces, or increasing your amount of playing time.

...Robinson is very smooth in his back paddle...


Robinson must develop a better jam...


...Robinson gets it down.

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And I'll leave you with this one...

...and isn't afraid to put his face in it.

Goddammit, my GoogleFu is failing me, and I can't find an image of Al Groh and that stupid "stick your face in the fan" flyer.

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One sentence in and it was painfully apparent this is just some dude with a computer and an internet connection - and who's resume probably includes "has seen every airing of SVP from start to finish" and "has never finished in the bottom half of his fantasy league".

How people even remotely give this kind of stuff any credibility is beyond me.

while we wait, we can point and laugh, i guess

Yes, yes...lots of passion.

#hardthingstogether

this seems appropriate

4 star kid without any "big-time" offers.

Is it football season yet?

Who is this

Interested to hear what people think about this, 50th in total offers, we are going for a smaller class so maybe are casting a smaller net?

VT '17

I think it has to do more with our coaches tend to do their own evaluations and make offers based on those. Nebraska and Syracuse are likely throwing out offers to anybody ranked 3 stars and above to see what sticks.

I'm really surprised by how many offers Michigian and Florida have our.

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Yeah, I was going to say to devalue the offers in the top 10 as spam offers, but Mich and UF throw that off so much. I do think we've seen the peak for UF in this era but not sure I think that about Michigan. And UGA is 12th, they are arguably best positioned of any program I the country moving forward.

But Nebraska. Frost has soiled the value of that brand.

But Nebraska. Frost has soiled the value of that brand.

I'll wait to see his results before I pass judgement. Something tells me Scott Frost will end up landing classes significantly higher rated than they've been getting the last 10+ years. Nebraska's 'brand' hasn't been anything close to what it means to you and me compared to that of a 16 or 17 year old - which is really what matters. They don't know it to be any brand other than 'the school where Scott Frost went,' likely.

Lots of the schools with the most offers out MUST throw out a ton just bc they're really hard to recruit. Seeing Mich, UF, and UGA near the top lead me to believe there probably isn't a large correlation between offers and sullying your brand image.

Good point, sullying the brand is too strong.

But there is something about Frosts recruiting actions (400 offers, following us (and probably others) around last Dec/Jan to throw out offers) that comes across as somewhere between desperate and less measured.

Maybe that's geography based. But you don't want to be too much like Louisville.

I like Frost and glad to see him returning to Lincoln. But I hold his recruiting practices in a negative light for whatever reason.

Jugs might have a thing or two to say about that. Heh heh.

With the popularity of the non-committable offer, I'd guess this is more a product of those schools having the resources to recruit on a truly national scale. Where kids on the other side of the country may not have even considered, they likely use a non-committable offer as an intro or a means to gain mutual interest.

While there's some truth to that, not everybody gets offers from those top schools, and we don't know if they're committable or not. So why not give our guys the benefit of the doubt? There certainly was some interest from some good programs.

All recruits are in the same boat in that respect. Hence the composite ratings.

I'd attribute some of this to the staff's overall recruiting mentality as well. I'm sure some of this was coach-speak to an extent, but Shibest mentioned at a Hokie Club event earlier this year that the staff doesn't like offering everyone under the sun like certain other programs. They want the offer to mean something rather than throwing a bunch at the wall and hoping a few stick.

This is exhibit A why the argument is so weak that VT's recruiting (or anybody below blue blood, really) has improved in the last few years because they're signing more guys with multiple Power 5 offers.

At the same time, there is no way to know if offers from other schools are commitable or non-commitable offers from somewhere else unless you're involved in the direct conversations. Don't you think our recruits deserve the benefit of the doubt?

Adarious Jones tweeted out that he is committing on the 30th.

Edit: Looks like he will not be announcing his comittment. Also, Jordan Houston dropped his top 75 today.

He just said "June 30 stay tuned". Could be a top-5 or top-3 or whatever.

Negative ghost rider

Thought you made a typo but looked it up and yep there might as well be 75 schools in that pic

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I am guessing that is the first ever tweet from a recruit with that list of schools.... What an odd collection.

He's got a good offer list.

He should just narrow it down to VT.

Penn State on par with Charlotte. I like this kid.

Always choose joy.

I think it is his offer list

I taught my 13-year old today that whenever he sees "Pitt" he is not only allowed but expected to say "eat shit Pitt."

Good parenting?

no

Chem PhD '16

No Beaver for us.