Keeping An Eye On The Bad Guys (LOLUVA)

So it appears that LOLUVA Bored of Visitors had agreed on a $180 mil "master" plan. The article can be viewed here. Now at initial & 1st glance (besides laughing) I dismiss it. Then I caught the bit about the "Football Facility".
Should we be concerned with this? My gut says no. Then again I don't want Uva to have any semblance of "improvement" to their "football program". Can persons with more familiarity of this type of thing chime in please? Thanks.

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I have a feeling everyone will still be board with their football program no matter what.

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

en bored.

Does this look like a fan base that cares about football?

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Does this look like a fan base that cares about football?

No. Does this?

Also no. But they've beaten us the past two years. (Ugh.)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Bored of Visitors

Oh, so that's why nobody attended the spring festival, UVA was bored of them and didn't let them in.

You know it's weird. I am in the same circle with a few of the mid-tier uva donors and supporters and they are genuinely really excited about the future of uva football. They love bronco, they love what hes doing and his approach and they say they can see and tell a huge difference.
Now, this is all a total headscratcher to me because I see a dumpster fire that keeps burning hotter and more out of control with an incompetent baffoon making a mockery out of collegiate athletics, namely football.
#hoosramming

Beneath all the hilarious pointless gimicks, Bronco can coach football right? He seems to know the x's and o's better than London at least. The only thing about Bronco is he inherented a hot mess and the recruiting classes UVa can lure in are bad, so the ceiling of the program in the short term is capped. If UVa is smart though, they'll realize this and give him a long leash so long as he shows incremental improvement over time.

Yeah, he can coach. But I'm not sure he can win in the ACC. His recruiting advantages at BYU were real. I think he's getting the most out of his players, but he's out-talented in almost every ACC game by a wide margin.

He seems to know the x's and o's better than London at least.

Is it possible to set a lower threshold for "he seems to know x's and o's"?

Yes, "He doesn't know x's and o's or clock managment", which was the London threshold.

But he knew how to write a recruiting letter. "YOU!"

Time out! I just think Bronco was actually a good hire for them, considering what they can realistically get.

He seems to know the x's and o's better than London at least.

Well considering London had to be corrected when he referred to them as "x's and donuts", I'd say that's a fairly low bar.

Al Groh thought they were hugs and kisses!

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Al Groh is Zaphod Beeblebrox?

They love bronco, they love what hes doing and his approach and they say they can see and tell a huge difference.

They really do. According to my friend who is a huge UVA fan, UVA has a top flight recruiting class coming in with the best DT in the country and a very highly rated OL as well. Their current QB is amazing and this is the year they are going to beat us. Bud Foster is also a raging alcoholic and on the decline and the FSU win meant nothing. The Bronco Koolaide is real.

Always interesting talking football with them.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Always interesting talking football with them.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

LOL leg for you sir

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

One of the things I truly dislike about a large portion of the UVA fan base is how they feel they're better than everyone and resort to personal attacks to validate their opinion. They can't discuss x's and o's or personnel or work ethics. It's all lower academic standards and drunks and rednecks. I want them to suck because it's the only thing keeping them remotely grounded. It really is a great school and beautiful campus, but they're so condescending that they can't sell it. I hope they sleep in the bed they make as long as they continue to present themselves as they do.

For them to be superior, everyone else must be inferior.

...keeping them remotely grounded. It really is a great school and beautiful campus,...

I see what you did there, and I heartily endorse. I call their hallowed "grounds" a campus every chance I get.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Obviously they still get people who want to apply or they wouldn't be so highly ranked academically, but I have to think it does affect them negatively in non-measurable ways. This is probably the most concise and well said summary I've seen as to what irks me about the attitude at lolva, well done.

My step brother (who is quite a bit older than me) went to a small liberal arts school in Maryland and has no skin in the VT uva rivalry. He's told me that he has hired both hoos and Hokies during his career and in every single case the Hokies were better at their jobs than the hoos. He was astounded at how poorly some of the hoos performed. It really made an impact on him.

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

Do you remind them that we've seen a hotshot coach have a great recruiting class (better than what they have now) and still do poorly?

I pointed out to him how UVA was supposed to beat us years ago when they were ranked highly and then I said 38-0, bro. He got pretty defensive after that one

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

They weren't even "supposed" to beat us that game. We were still ranked higher.

Oh no. According to all of my UVA friends from back home and my cousin who was some sort of "year" there in undergrad, they were supposed to crush us that game.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Your uva friend must be my uva friend too......that's exactly his take. Any uva fan you talk to, they all have the same 3 or 4 responses
Nice empty trophy case
How many national championships does VT have
Buzz is a clown
Bud is a raging alcoholic/coke head
uva is closer to Duke/UNC in hoops than VT is to Clemson in football.

I laugh and say that 14 years has made them bitter little bitches.....and they can't sweep Buzz. That drives them crazy, maybe more so than the football streak.

HokieObsession

they can't sweep Buzz. That drives them crazy, maybe more so than the football streak.

This. So much this.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

{fingers crossed} If, correction, when we eventually earn a Number 1 overall seed in the NCAA Tournament, we won't lose to a 16 seed...

They did it first.

We must have one of the same friends.
We should really try to do better.

Your friend must be my cousin. Regrettably, I can't un-cousin him.

The way they refer to the "football facility" makes it sound like they really mean soccer.

They probably do.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

This sounds familiar. My non-Hokie wife goes by the username "HokieBySTD" on a few sites.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Did your non-Hokie wife go to Longwood too? I had to put that as my signature because I ended up explaining the Lancer part in multiple threads....

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

No, just graduated from elsewhere, married a Hokie.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I work in construction. I love master plans and getting to bid and hopefully build these facilities. It's funny cause most of the newer UVA buildings have been designed, engineered and built by Hokies.

The ODU stadium will be a major challenge, but that one is probably my favorite concept to design long term project.

VCU posted their master plan as well. And if you haven't seen VT's, it's a doozy.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Link to the VT plan?

Fugazy

...wow, uh.... did anyone here work on this?

Wow. I knew there had been substantial growth/building since I graduated in 1997, but 38% of the current gross floor space has been built since I left. And they are looking to make that look small.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

The statistics are impressive. The presentation is the polar opposite.

I would like to see a REAL masterplan presentation for VT with the type of things they are talking about. These presentations are grade school level. I would like to see Sasaki's presentations because these cannot be it. I've worked with them many times and unless their US offices have taken an 88mph journey back to the late 90s there is no way they produce work this poor.

VT is planning substantial growth. It is going to be an large undertaking but seeing work this bad makes me worried that it is either rushed, not being managed well or our standards are woefully low.

Well, not to poke the bear, but this was also produced.....and unveiled...

Just saying...

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

oh I know. this is exactly what I am talking about. Our bar for the work we are paying for is way too low.

MUCH better. Haven't gone through it all yet, just skipped through, but seeing and hearing what is being talked about was more in line with what I was hoping for. The 360 rear projection presentation is powerful in planning work, that is great to see, even though they are only using it superficially so far here.

Thanks for the link

It's like people didn't know they were being recorded. When you pan the camera around you can see people picking their teeth... and stuff.

Bacon strips &
bacon strips &
bacon strips &
bacon strips

Radford's is pretty ambitious for a smaller school. Darkside will be swallowed by campus (*RIP 517 Fairfax*).

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Yep, UVA construction is in large part run by Hokies and they know it. This looks like $180m work for us which eventually means more Hokie Club contributions

Why should we be worried about this?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Arms race.

It's gonna be expensive for everyone.

Naw UVA ain't doing shit to move the arms race needle. They've had an indoor facility for slightly longer than we have. The Alabamas, Georgias, Clemsons etc are the ones we should be worried about in terms of facilities.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

If they spend 180 Million on athletic facilities, they're participating in the arms race.

I don't know about "moving the needle", but they're certainly messing around with the floor. Like I said, it will be expensive for everyone.

It's already expensive lol.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Might lose recruits to the dedicated Zima fridge.

BECAUSE CROOTS LIKE THAT SORT OF THING RITE

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Should we be concerned with this?

Methinks yes. As much as we hate to admit it, C'ville is a great college town not terribly far from DC & Richmond. It has a very accessible airpot which means it is easy to get in and out.

There is a lot of money in C'ville and in the Alumni base. If they decided they wanted to throw millions upon millions of $$ at the football program, they absolutely can.

And the most important piece of the puzzle they now have... A competent AD in Carla Williams.

Is it football season yet?

^This. It's easy to write UVA off at the moment because they have been doing it themselves for years. That program has nowhere to go but up, and if they actually start caring about football, it would have a significant impact.

and if they actually start caring about football, it would have a significant impact.

Keyword IF

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

And this is where Carla Williams comes into the picture. She's from UGA (remember Mark Richt?). All they need to do at UVA is offer some of the same academic programs to football players that all of the other ACC schools offer, including Duke. She is interested in pioneering that shift. I she can make this happen, watch out.

Is it football season yet?

All they need to do at UVA is offer some of the same academic programs to football players that all of the other ACC schools offer

Or all the other ACC programs can use their template and add Anthropology to their offerings

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Lol why should we ever be worried about uva football

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Because they were once relevant, and could become that way again. Heaven forbid they do, but it could happen. They invented their baseball program out of whole cloth with money and a couple of deep pockets that loved baseball. To say they'll never do that in football is a bit myopic because the money is there. I hate 'em with a deep decades long passion, but I was also around when they were ranked #1 and a tough out from year to year. And just last year, we were only a Bud Foster away from a possible loss to them. I don't always worry about them in a given year, but I always worry about them in general. Something, something, eternal vigilance.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I don't see it happening, really, but you're right, forever vigilant.

The main thing, though, is to take care of business ourselves, and maintain a clear superiority.

It's not so easy to move up the ranks in football. It takes a lot of components, which must all be there, and some luck on top of that. UVa's been throwing money at that program for years. Texas has proven time and time again that it takes more than money. I'd like for VT to have locked up the state in recruiting, but I'd say we have a ways to go on that.

AnyHoo, they're a long way off from anything competitive.

Totally agree that taking care of our own business is the key to maintaining our present clear superiority. While in state recruiting is essential, we also have to keep our brand nationally recognized to keep that superiority. There will always be good in state recruits that just don't like VT, or are raised 'hoos, but like you say, if we win, we'll keep it going.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

or are raised 'hoos,

We still manage to rescue a couple of those poor souls.

eternal vigilance

Abso-friggin-lutely. Never, I repeat, Never let ur guard down!!!

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Their basketball program is also a sign of a solid fanbase, just looking for some relevance to wake up.

Uva has a strong history of coach hiring. At this point, they have great coaches across the board with Bronco (maybe) being the weak link. Across all sports, it's an easy argument to make that their standard of excellence and financial commitment is greater than ours.

And don't forget that Carla Williams was the Assistant AD in charge of football at UGA during Richts strongest years and the transition to Kirby. She knows the blueprint for winning in football. And from what I've seen, she is a hard driver and the soft environment fostered by the gentlemanly Craig Liitlepage is over at McCue.

Great point.
I read this comment.
Thought for a bit. Nodded head a bunch.
Refered to my previous comment just above.
Confirmed original thought. Nodded some more (more vigorously).
Leg for you Smooth!

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I agree that they have some potential to improve (they sure as hell can't get worse), but honestly UVA's ceiling is about as low as you can get for a Power 5 team.

They have almost no winning tradition (2 ACC titles, none outright, in 64 years), and are in fact a laughingstock nationally. It's just not a football school, and it never will be. Relevant is the best they can hope for, and even then only in the conference. If they didn't exist, college football in general wouldn't even know the difference.

On a positive note, Charlottesville is a lovely town and UVA is an excellent school.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

They were relevant for about a minute back in 1990. Otherwise their football program has been an history of wallowing in mediocrity to outright suckitude. If they ever become a power (read: sustained success over decades) it will only be after some MAJOR upheaval and resetting from the roots on up.

Virginia Tech would walk right up to you and punch you in the neck. They're just tougher. Cowherd 3:16

eternal vigilance

And this is why I say I don't ever want games with them to be competitive. I want them to have absolutely nothing to try and sell recruits other than academic snobbery and promises of early PT.

"Those who jump into the void owe no explanation to those who stand and watch."
--unknown

Ah.....the master plan......

Granted they haven't played great competition yet but UVA's offense doesn't feel like it will be as easy to handle this year. They've played a couple decent teams in Ohio and Indiana. Their defense isn't good (especially against the run) and our offense should be able to put up points on them as long as they execute, but they look to have explosive players at QB, RB and WR. At the very least their offense looks much better overall against equivalent competition from previous years.

Through 3 games:

Bryce Perkins -
Passing: 64% completion 670yds 5 TDs 1 Int
Rushing: 239yds 2TDs 47yd-long

Jordan Ellis -
Rushing: 380yds 5TDs 75yd-long

Olamide Zaccheaus -
Receiving: 20 catches 363yds 4TDs 86yd-long

Hasise Dubois -
Receiving: 13 catches 154yds 2TDs 24yd-long

Like someone mentioned before I never want them to build up, but some years we'll beat them 38-0 other years there will be close calls. I think if their offense is actually for real it could be closer in a different way this year. In the past couple close calls we've been an average team playing a bad team like Beamers last year where the games were pretty ugly. These next couple games against Louisville and NC State will tell a lot more about where they're at.

Fugazy

I watched part of the Ohio game. Ohio defense looked inept. It was almost like they were in a defensive scheme they had no idea how to pull off. It looked like so much confusion, I don't know how horrible you'd have to be on offense to not do well against that defense.

Howard had 600 yards on Ohio. Howard is QB'd by Cam Newton's little bro-bro, but still. 600 yards to Howard.

UVA has nice skill talent in those mentioned above. But they have zero depth. And if the OL struggles as they might once they face FBS DL's, that skill talent is going to struggle.

We have no idea if they're "ACC caliber" yet.

As stated above, we'll see how they do against ACC teams with a few games worth of experience.

Ohio is not a decent team. That D couldn't get lined up, they couldn't gap fit at all, and they missed a TON of tackles.

Howard University put up a few less points and 100+ more yards of offense on Ohio than UVA did. Howard University.

And the Ohio UVA game was a game. They didn't slow down or take the starters out.

Is it football season yet?

Funny enough, Howard is also currently coached by our favorite TimeCop.

I don't know that the game against Louisville will actually tell you anything about LOLUVA. They are pretty bad this year.

Regardless of what they do, our "new" football locker room which was done a whole 8 years ago, will need to be upgraded soon. The Beamer Barn will eventually not be good enough, etc. The arms race never stops- look at what Clemson, Louisville, FSU have planned - and that's in the ACC. Merriman is already outdated and small by comparison and it's just 20 years old and got a facelift last year. Our jumbo tron is nothing special anymore, etc etc etc.