OT: 2018 NFL Games Discussions

I haven't seen a dedicated thread to talk about NFL games, so here it is.

Talking during games, afterwards, fantasy talk, whatever.

And of course, if you want to talk about HOKIES in the NFL (or other leagues), feel free to talk 'em up.

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The Packers-Bears game shows us a few things:

Great QBs can win games on one leg - Aaron Rogers.

Decent QBs won't lose the game for you, but they won't win it either - Trubisky.

Terrible QBs will dig the hole deeper with terrible fumbles and interceptions - Kizer.

Aaron Rodgers put on an absolutely amazing performance, but that last scoring drive was as lucky as it was great. He threw a pick straight into Kyle Fuller's numbers and he just dropped it, and the actual touchdown was 10% Rodgers and 90% Randall Cobb going 70 after the catch to the house through traffic.

The potential pick only happened because Devante Adams was knocked flat by another CB on the crossing route. On the TD it looked like Cobb was guinely surprised at all the open space in front of him after he caught it.

Using /s is for cowards.

Agreed, Rogers didn't win it by himself, but it's weird how great QBs like Rogers put the ball in the right person's hands at the end of games (not every game, but more often than other QBs do it, which sets the greats apart from the rest)

2nd thing learned:

Phenomenal players like Khalil Mack are worth the money.

And the Raiders are gonna miss him dearly.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I am honestly glad we traded him for three reasons:
1. It would have been cap hell because we already overpaid for an average qb thanks to the previous regime
2. Gruden obviously realizes we are more than one good player away from having a quality D and being able to compete so he is building for the future
3. To add to that McKenzie has had a pretty poor drafting record the last few season so our depth needs some serious work so extra draft picks are needed

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

For all the media has been crucifying Gruden for the trade:
A) He isn't the GM.
B) Rumor has it enough cash is tied up in the Vegas move they couldn't pay the demanded signing bonus.
C) They need a lot of help.
D) Do you really want to give in to a prima donna? Even if he is really good.

If anything this week showed that the preseason really is that important. so many teams just looked completely off this week after resting top players.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Yeah, teams don't have that cohesion yet, but I'd rather be rusty than have unnecessary injuries from meaningless games

No team amazes me more than the Chargers.

Williams drops a touchdown that hits him in both hands with no one covering him.

Benjamin drops a long pass that hits him right in the stomach.

Punt returner fumbles around the ten.

These guys have tons of talent, they score points, and they always find a way to lose just enough games to miss the playoffs.

Sam "Wouldn't Want it Any Other Way" Darnold is picking up right where he left off.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

I'd say he settled in nicely afterwards. Stafford is having the game you'd have expected from the youngest QB in NFL history making his first start on the road, though.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yeah, it really was a backwards Darnold performance. Make the boneheaded awful play first, then play great and live up to the hype.

#thingsiblamethemvsfor

Joins Favre and Winston as QBs who started their careers with pick sixes.

BUT Darnold throws a couple of good TDs and leads them to 48 points and a big win.

Jets might do some damage this year.

Tyrod almost did it Mikey!

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Tyrod put the final TD pass in a great place for Gordon to catch it, they'll win some games this year

But you won't be seeing Taylor to Gordon much.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

yeah that was Antonio calloway.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Tyrod's numbers would have been much better if his receivers could hold onto the ball. I watched Njoku and some of the others drop pass after pass that hit them in the hands.

Rams were rusty, but they got it together in the second half, offense looks like it will keep chugging (if they stay healthy), and watch out for that defense.

If you're into fantasy, pickup that Raiders TE - Jared Cook, he'll win games for you if they keep using him that way the rest of the year

I came across this discussion of Tyrod's performance with Mike Vick on Undisputed - not for the faint of heart.

Vick starts it off saying Tyrod has to score points and win that game, they try to be respectful because everyone likes Tyrod, but they're tough on him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFlLINCc9hk

Well he's right. Tyrod needs to push himself to take more risks throwing the ball downfield. Today, they could have won against the Saints if their kicker made a damn FG but it was yet another Tyrod performance well into the 2nd half where he's thrown for low yardage. I'm not sure he even broke 100 yards until the 3rd quarter (which is pretty routine for him as a starter). When the Saints went ahead late, Cleveland was forced to throw down field and you saw Tyrod connect on some big throws and get those numbers up. They need to do that all game he wants to remain a starter. Kicker woes aside, you can't win many games if your offense is barely putting up enough yardage to survive.

Tyrod's strength is he doesn't turn the ball over but its also a weakness in the sense that he won't throw the ball unless its absolutely certain it can be a catch. He's got to put himself out there, throw it into some tight spots, and just trust that it'll work out. To use a cliche, instead of playing not to lose, he needs to play to win.

Yup, he's got to start letting it fly. His problem is that he's as far as you can get from a gunslinger and he's not going to change at this point in his career. Can he trust his receivers? Doubtful. And now Gordon is gone so Landry is his only reliable target. And I don't know if it's only him, or also his OC calling the plays, and the general game plan to limit turnovers with him. Can only hope his leadership keeps him back there and they get a few wins.

But yeah, start throwing that ball early and often Tyrod!

I have to admit that I did not see the Browns-Saints game, nor did I know any more than the end result of the game while I was writing earlier.

Now I've learned that the Browns were actually leading 12-3 going into the 4th quarter, so I understand the protective play calling and passing by the OC and Tyrod, and then they opened it up when they had to in the 4th.

I'd still like Tyrod to open it up more if he can, but he's put them in position to win 2 games so I can't really fault him for either loss.

He also corrected his accuracy issues from last week, which was largely due to the monsoon and lack of in game timing with receivers but still he addressed an area where he needed to improve from week 1. I agree he could benefit from a little more risk taking but is also important to remember that the Steelers and Saints were probably preseason expected losses. Both teams have a long established and elite QB and were expected to be better than they've been so far. If they trust the process and Tyrod I think they will start to win some games, but it's always tough when a fan base has a #1 pick QB behind their current starter and they are anxious to see what he can do.

I agree, Tyrod and the offensive coordinators are making the decisions they are making for a reason. He made some clutch plays this week and put them in a position to win again against a very good team. He threw an interception, they missed some important kicks, and the defense got beaten by a great quarterback with the game on the line. Keeping Tyrod out there making the decisions that he's making is the right thing for the Browns to do. They're going to win some games.

"The Cup is going nowhere MIkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

they missed some important kicks

Major understatement. 2 XPA and a 44 yarder to tie it after covering 40 yards in the last 44 seconds. All of this while kicking in a damn dome! Kid is screwed when the winds start swirling off lake Erie. Todd Haley needs to get his personnel figured out, far too many plays were duds yesterday and the Browns played behind the chains a lot as a result of busted/failed plays.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Officially it was a 52 yarder, but still...

Someone tell the Browns that Slye is available!

"The Cup is going nowhere MIkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

As long as they give him a high jersey number...

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

browns signed rookie Greg Joseph (whoever that is) already. they should sign ocho cinco. he could kick and take josh gordons place.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

I'm a Cowboys fan with not much to say other than get rid of Jerry, Scott, and Jason, ...but I will say this - Aaron Rodgers is the damn devil.

So you and I should rock this thread tonight when we watch our Boys play E-Cry, I mean Eli and the Giants...

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

I can't believe Tyrod just threw for the touchdown to tie it up with the Saints AND THE KICKER MISSED THE PAT.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

0 of 2 extra points!!! Only the Browns.

"The Cup is going nowhere MIkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Or the Bills

HTHokie93

Tyrod is going to have to learn to kick if he is going to win one in Cleveland.

"The Cup is going nowhere MIkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

If Cleveland had a solid kicker, they would be 2-0.

Tyrod gets the blame because he's the QB, but no doubt these games are wins if the kicker is better

Hopefully they just leave the ball in Tyrod's hands and just go for two after every TD from now on

That was a BS roughing the passer penalty in the GB game. Matthews didn't do anything wrong.

Man I'm glad I started Patrick Mahomes over Tom Brady today!

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

My opponent has Mahomes, Kelce, Diggs, and Gordon. I never stood a chance.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I have Mahomes and Tyreek Hill. My opponent has Kelce and Sammy Watkins, so this KC-PIT game was tough to watch.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

"I dont watch soccer because of the ties" - NFL fans before two weeks ago lol

VB born, class of '14

Browns fans have joined Bills fans on the you don't know what you have list. The fans calling for Tyrod to sit is growing louder and louder.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Browns fans eager for that gunslinger, 5 interception game

PETERMAN!

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Yes, and despite being a life-long Bills fan, I am enjoying the heck out of Buffalo getting exactly what they were screaming for...

HTHokie93

I feel dirty starting Fitzpatrick against my Eagles in fantasy, hopefully Wentz gets cleared next week so I can start him and not feel dirty (didn't start Desaun Jackson but was driving earlier today and didn't see that he was cleared to play).

"Oi! What's a Horkie"
"I am ya Grot!"

"Horkies were made for two fings foighten' and winnen'" - Horkie Warboss

"That Gritty git doesn't exactly look like a Horkie, but by Gork and Mork it acts like one!"-Random Horkie Boy

Hope the Birds got their dud out of the way today.

Injuries
Penalties
Bad defensive game plan

Just not their day.

Still super early in the year. Reminds me a lot of the Seattle game last year. Just forget it and move on to next week where it looks like both Wentz and Jeffrey will be back.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Yep. 2 bad plays on defense cost us the game, and we still woke up and roared back in the 2nd half which was good to see. Once the cavalry gets here (Wentz and Alshon) the O is gonna be humming in no time.

Also, the Buccaneers may actually be a good team this year. They're finally utilizing their offensive weapons correctly.

edited to add the most important part: Fuck Ronde Barber.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I mean at one point the offense was missing Wentz, Jeffrey, Peters, Ajayi, and Wallace. QB1, RB1, WR1, WR3, and LT1... Not many teams are going to even compete with those kinds of pieces missing, so its good to see that, assuming Wentz and Jeffrey come back this week, they were able to go 1-1 in their absence. As for the Bucs, I just get the feeling they'll do something stupid like force Jameis back into the starter role when his suspension is up, ruining chemistry, and this hot start will die off. Well, that and you can never really ever trust Fitzpatrick over the long haul. Fitzmagic is fleeting.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Shouldn't matter that much with S U P E R B O W L M V P Nick Foles out there!

Fitzmagic >>> Foles Magic

proven on the field yesterday

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Still got us to 1-1 and almost won a game where the defense crapped itself.

So.... yay?

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

It could be worse, we could be 0-2 with a QB past his prime and a GM that's stuck in the past

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Everyone knows the most important position on a team nowadays is RB

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I'm glad the Giants decided to use the #2 pick on a running back, and roll with Super Bowl MVP Eli.

It was a good plan, because they suck so bad they will get the chance to pick there again next year

Maybe they can draft an entirely new offensive line in the first 5 rounds.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Bringing up the Giants because the Eagles lost to Buccaneers? Sounds like a straw man to me and we all know

Super Bowl MVPs are meaningless (thanks for making that point!) and Giants ownership is too stuck with the idea of "loyalty". Doesn't make Eagles fans less irrational about what you think you have in Nick Foles.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You do realize how weak those jabs are when Wentz is the #1 guy and likely starting this week, right? Like, we all were in on selling Foles high, but content with keeping him as backup.

But hey, you do you.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Wentz playing this upcoming week is such a mistake. Why would you risk your future like that? The offense isn't clicking because Jefferies is out and the offensive line is beat up.

The defense also played terrible yesterday as well.

Carson is not going to be as mobile, will probably get smacked around, and will be a little game rusty.

That's a risk I would not take.

What's
Important
Now

Ideally the Eagles would have had an early bye and integrated Wentz back in, and ideally Jeffery would be healthy too. Colts aren't a bad team to use to get back into rhythm either. Lots of short, quick throws.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I just don't get why you're trying to troll us about Nick Foles playing well for a stretch of games and winning us a Super Bowl. You can't effectively troll us about something we're happy with. He is a known quantity to me, I've been watching him for 5 years now and Wentz is clearly superior. There is a delusional segment of the fan base that disagrees, maybe save your mockery for them.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

There is a delusional segment of the fan base that disagrees, maybe save your mockery for them.

This is exactly what I did when I replied to Alum07????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Like it's so easy to troll alum about the most biased fan take I might have ever seen, and then he went out of his way to try to back it up

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Alum does get carried away, true. What was the take?

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

He's hell bent on trying to 'pwn' me for saying the Birds were right for not trading Foles for anything less than a 1st

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Which was NOT your original argument at all, so guess maybe you came to your senses after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You only started banging that drum after other Eagles fans (AZHokie) came in and said it, like he did below.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The take was essentially: Nick Foles is worth the #6 or #10 overall pick in a trade.

And now if you're someone like Arizona or the Jets, and you're seeing what these FAs are demanding, suddenly shipping a couple picks (1st +) to Philly for Foles doesn't look so bad.

Its not often at all that a QB can be had who not only legitimately led his team to a Super Bowl title on the strength of his arm, but won the MVP award for his efforts. When you draft someone in the first round, you're dreaming that the guy you pick has that kind of potential. With Foles, that potential is already realized.

http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/661543#comment-661543

It starts here and goes for about a hundred or so comments.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

As backups go, I don't think it's a "hot take" to consider Foles one of the better #2s in the league. His playoff run is proof of that.

But 99% if the fan base know Wentz has the skills to be the best QB in the league when the old guard hangs up their cleats.

Just because we wanted a kings ransom in trade for Foles doesn't make us delusional, just that the team preferred to keep him. But keep hammering that point...it just makes us smile thinking of Foles teabagging the Vikings D and Belichick and Brady.

I think there were valid arguments on both sides of this one, but given the uncertainty surrounding Wentz's return date and what Nick had just shown us in the postseason, I don't fault the Eagles for keeping him around. Although I did have a gut feeling Mediocre Foles would show his face this season...

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Of course Foles is always going to be more valuable to the Eagles when Wentz is coming off ACL surgery. He's a high-end NFL backup with an inconsistent track record and a wide range of variance in his performance, and is more than serviceable for a few games. I just happen to think it's dumb to think that the Cardinals or Jets would rather have Foles than Rosen or Darnold respectively.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

That's like saying you'd rather have 1 free lottery ticket with 10:1 odds at hitting $10m than $2m in cold hard cash right now.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

According to you previously, Foles is already the $10m winning ticket.

When you draft someone in the first round, you're dreaming that the guy you pick has that kind of potential. With Foles, that potential is already realized.

But, if you're going to say now that Nick Foles is equivalent to just a fifth of that "realized potential" then I definitely agree with you on what Foles is worth. And if Nick Foles is only worth a fifth of the hypothetical realized potential of a first round QB, then maybe you can agree with me that it's not the best idea for the Jets or Cardinals to trade a top-ten pick for Nick Foles when they might be drafting Carson Wentz.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Dude, give it a rest. Nobody cares or remembered this until you brought it up.

Your belaboring of this point only makes you look silly. And the Giants still suck.

I can say though, by all accounts here in Scottsdale, Rosen sucks.

It was a laughable enough take to start with (and that he kept doubling down on) that I couldn't help but troll Alum about it. But you're right in that he doesn't remember or care because what he's saying now is basically what my argument was then, which is enough for me

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

lol yeah you're not mad at all

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

i'm literally not tho. i'm glad we found some common ground in the end

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I care and I remember. You guys had all sorts of emotional feelings toward Foles after the Super Bowl and made some crazy hot takes. It was clear you guys couldn't see reason.

Well then you have wasted more time thinking about this than most Eagles fans have

The good news is the Eagles just announced Wentz as the Week 3 starter, so Foles now goes back to being the best backup in the league.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

After how the team and their fans treated Tyrod, I hope they get their doors blown off every game this year

With Tremaine, Wyatt, and Logan on the team, I hope the team itself gets better, but the front office can get pile driven into a flaming folding table

There is no defense for showering, putting on your clothes and leaving the stadium during half time. He could have asked to be benched for the second half and then quit after.

There was precisely one Pats fan at the bar today, and he was being an obnoxious tool (sorry for the redundancy) for about the first quarter. Needless to say, he did not have a good afternoon. God that was a good game by the Jags.

DUUUUUUUUUVUAL

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Beautiful touchdown on the opening possession for the Cowboys!

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Nice second possession as well... 2 possessions 2 scores.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Since I'm sure a lot of you guys watched the Browns/Saints game,
First off, yea that kicker lost them the game, there's no way he doesn't get cut right?

Tyrod seemed to struggle in the first half, but the play calling seemed really conservative to me, the kept running on first and second down, getting 1-2 yards, and the pass protection wasn't great. I guess I'm kinda surprised, he's gotten labeled as a game manager after watching him in college and he can for sure make plays like in the last two drives of this game and we know he has an arm. A lot of people two/three year ago were saying that Tyrod had the best deep ball in the NFL, but Haley and the Bills OC from last year seem to call super conservative dink and dunk pass plays with him. Or is Tyrod just missing reads? I'm not really sure anymore

It's a little of both. The offenses he's been in seem to call a lot of conservative stuff. Lots of runs, some screen passes, and then toss in a deep ball every now and then. But Tyrod himself misses reads or won't throw it to those reads. If you dig around the heavy analytic sites or listen to some broadcasters that really put in the work, they all say that Tyrod leaves a lot of throws on the field that he should make but doesn't, especially intermediate routes and working the middle of the field. He's always taking the safe throw. If he wants to take that next step beyond competent starter/high end back up, he's gotta start making those throws.

I'm really rooting for him to do it because its not like he has anything to lose right now. Baker will be the starter as late as next year for sure. Unless Tyrod wows everyone in the coming weeks, Baker will be the starter sooner than that. So you might as well let it all hang out and see what happens. Worst case scenario is you're a quality backup somewhere (not a bad paycheck), which is to say he's already proven what his floor is so he should go out there and try to raise his ceiling.

I think the Browns fans frustration is the defense has been amazing at generating turnovers, the offense is not generating enough points with all they are being given. Browns are like +6 in TOs in the first two games. I am not so sure the lack of production is all on Tyrod though.

I watched the game yesterday as well and I will say the Browns O-line leaves a lot to be desired. The Saints were able to get sacks and pressure rushing 3 men far too often. The run game was also unimpressive as Carlos Hyde looked slow and seemed content to just pound it up the gut for 2 yards rather than looking for cutback lanes. I would like to see Chubb get more carries as he seems to have the vision and the size to make something out of the underwhelming run blocking. I also thought the play calling was conservative, with screens and RB pitches and awful end-arounds/jet sweeps.

Tyrod needs to get the ball downfield more. Tyrod has lood great last two weeks when the Browns were playing from behind late in the game and had to push it. The WRs for the Browns have to get better, far too many drops yesterday. Also with Josh Gordon screwing up again, Higgins or Callaway have to step up and become a deep threat, Jarvis Landry isn't going to stretch the field.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

"I think the Browns fans frustration is the defense has been amazing at generating turnovers, the offense is not generating enough points with all they are being given." Whew - Thought you were talking about some Hokie teams for a second there.

HTHokie93

This is a good assessment. A lot of people in Tyrod's court will flaunt the low interception rate statistic. That's fine, but the reason Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Luck throw a few interceptions is that they sometimes go for the kill shot by squeezing the ball in a tiny window. That speaks to their confidence. Tyrod needs to be a little more of a gunslinger to catch somebody's eye.

I'd rather have a dude that screws up sometimes cooking me a filet, than always handing me a perfect peanut butter sandwich.

Leonard. Duh.

"101WildTurkeys" gave a good answer, and I'll backup his answer with some stats that may prove his point

All of these QBs rode the bench for at least two years, and these are their first three years as starters, plus their career stats. Tyrod has some extra rushing yards and TDs not accounted for here, and he's been sacked more than others, but Rodgers who also runs a little bit also had more sacks than the other two. And of course, some of these teams may have had better o-lines, better skill players, better coaches, whatever, but that doesn't matter in the end.

Anyway, Tyrod's numbers are decent but they are significantly less in yardage, TDs, and INTs, which leads me to believe that INTs will be forgiven if the QB is getting the ball to the right guy, which ultimately leads to higher yardage and more TDs. Tyrod is good, but he has to throw it around more to become great. If you look at Rivers' numbers, he made a big jump in his 3rd year as a starter, so if Tyrod wants to do it, now's the time.

Tyrod Taylor
2015 – 63.7% – 3035yds – 20td – 6int
2016 – 61.7% – 3023yds – 17td – 6int
2017 – 62.6% – 2799yds – 14td – 4int

Career (8th yr) – 61.6% – 9253yds – 52td – 19int

Kirk Cousins
2015 – 69.8% – 4166yds – 29td – 11int
2016 – 67.0% – 4917yds – 25td – 12int
2017 – 64.3% – 4093yds – 27td – 13int

Career (7th yr) – 65.3% – 16450yds – 101td – 55int

Aaron Rodgers

2008 – 63.6% – 4038yds – 28td – 6int
2009 – 64.7% – 4434yds – 30td – 6int
2010 – 65.7% – 3922yds – 28td – 4int

Career (14th yr) – 65.1% – 39000yds – 316td – 78int

Philip Rivers
2006 – 61.7% – 3388yds – 22td – 9int
2007 – 60.2% – 3152yds – 21td – 15int
2008 – 65.3% – 4009yds – 34td – 11int

Career (15th yr) – 64.3% – 50000+yds – 345td – 167int

And yes, I would get rid of the kicker

I love football. But I hate football.... I swear it will be the death of me one of these days. But my Boys got the W and that is all that matters.

Edit: I wanted to post more during the game... especially about sacking E-cry 6 times. However I figured that it may have not been in the best interest of my new laptop to be TKPing or anything else while watching football. I may or may not get a little overly enthusiastic when my game is on. I tried to get HokieEnginerd to hold my hand during the 4th quarter and he looked at me and was like "HELL NO". I don't know why?

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Looking at some BIlls highlights, Tremaine probably missed some gaps and assignments on Melvin Gordon, but hopefully he'll learn from mistakes and lead that defense well in the future

And Terrell missed a tackle on Kareem Hunt that led to a Chiefs TD.

Rough day at the office for the younger Edmundi yesterday.

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Kendall Fuller missed an easy sack on Big Ben yesterday that went for a big gain, too. Both secondaries got torched repeatedly in that game.

Terrell got abused so much yesterday. I had Mahomes as my fantasy QB and I felt so conflicted. I love those 6 TDs but stop picking on my boy like that!

how bout them jags!!!!!!! #DTWD Jacksonville celebrating like we won the super bowl yesterday. #MILESJACKWASNTDOWN

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Weren't you wearing *gag* Pats gear to the game!!

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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haha yeah I was. I wont lie im not a jag fan. but im happy for the home team! big win for them. and that's good for our city! Im not a pats fan either but I felt obligated to wear the pats shirt yesterday.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

All good man, I just became a Jags fan in 2016 so I understand.

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Redskins fan here... Groundhog day again this football season. 30(ish) years of this now?

I keep telling my son that Daniel Snyder is in his mid 50's. What that means is that if nature takes its course, he (my son) should be able to live to see a new owner. At which point he may get to see the Redskins not suck again.

Is it football season yet?

But Snyder's kid could take over and you could get worse. Look at the Paul Brown (legend) to Mike Brown (dipshit) transition in Cincinnati.

Come to Blacksburg and see what the Hokie Pokie is really all about

Run to Win. Pass To Score
Josh Jackson on Ricky Walker - ““He is the captain of this team, He’s the leader. He’s the bell cow, the Pail Holder.“

I dont see Snyder interfering like he used to. Have I missed something? They are one vertical threat away from having a competitive team.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

They are an entire competent front office and coaching staff from having a competitive team. For once in about 30 years, I really like the personnel package. But the D, that is loaded with talent, couldn't even get lined up yesterday... The Colts were huddling on every play, and still they couldn't get lined up.

The OL is hot garbage, and not from a talent perspective. They constantly miss assignments, they rarely block to the second level, I haven't seen a Redskins OL pass protect well in maybe 20 years.

They need a lot more than a vertical threat.

Is it football season yet?

Two weeks, two tied games.

And the one common factor in both? They were the single header game in the Richmond market.

Broncos at Ravens had better watch out, because that's what CBS 6 says they are airing on Sunday.

Autodrafted fantasy team, let's see if any other kickers left on the table. Oh, this Gonzalez guy, he's scored a few points in close games. Oh...

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-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Oh, hey guys.

I just wanted to ruin everyone's day and let yall know that the Pats and Josh Gordon are nearing a deal.

Moss 2.0 takes incoming

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I can't believe the Browns would not at least trade him. Didn't he get injured in a photo shoot? He wasn't even doing anything stupid. They could have at least gotten another draft pick for him.

Edit: Nevermind. Last time I read anything about it stated that the Browns are releasing him Monday.

Looks like it'll be a trade and not a release. "plan to part ways" is front office-speak for "give us your best offer before we cut him onto the open market and he can pick where to go"

(fifth rounder with some conditional picks coming pats way too)

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Edit - nevermind, looks like it might be a trade.

For a 5th round draft pick. Lmao - God is a Pats fan.

Haha after the Browns stated that they wanted to send him to the NFC.

HA! God? think again:

FOSTERS: Australian for defense

After the Browns exercised 5 years of patience with him you think Gordon's going to turn his life around because of a trade to the Patriots? Also Brady doesn't have the biggest arm these days and seems to do better with Gronk and quick possession receiver types rather than deep threats. Seems pretty unlikely Gordon will be a superstar in NE to me but I guess we'll see.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Here's a nice summary of the upcoming NFL Week 3 games with Hokies players (and some notes on their Week 2 games).

https://hokiesports.com/news/2018/9/19/football-fuller-has-a-great-day-a...

Tyrod leads the Browns in the Thursday night game hosting the Jets - expecting this to be the 1st Browns win in about 635 days, and their 3rd win in about 1,073 days

I'm thinkin if tyrod doesn't score and the browns go into half time down 2-3 touchdowns against Sam Darnold, the tyrod era in Cleveland may be over.

Fugazy

Yeeep. Baker will be in at some point. I hate it for him. What the hell is he supposed to do in this offense? I know he missed a few throws but holy shit.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Watching this is so painful. Tyrod has missed a few throws but honestly he has had almost no time to do anything. They've left unblocked rushers going free at him multiple times.

Afraid to say Tyrod is done. At times it almost looks like they are running terrible offensive calls on purpose to get the "rookie QB so give me another year" narrative for the coaches. And Hue Jackson sucks big time.

But that miss in the throw to Calloway can't happen if you want to start in the NFL

Missing one deep throw, which Tyrod is statistically good at, won't doom him, but I agree the play calling at times seems ultra conservative. It'll be something to watch if they put Baker in and start running an exciting wide open offense.

I hate it for Tyrod and I've seen the shit he has been saddled with at Buffalo and now here. I see the pressure the Offensive line is allowing. But Tyrod isn't making the easy throws. I hate this.

Getting tired of listening to Joe Buck and Troy Aikman...I realize Tyrod is not making some plays, but his line is terrible. Bring in the rookie and let him get throttled!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I wish the Clowns had lost that fumble.

I hope he comes out in the second half, gets sacked 12 times, throws a pick six or two!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Just like Peterman!

Damn I feel for Tyrod . He's missed some easy throws and is hesitating but damn that o line wasn't blocking either .

When I imagined Tyrods career, I think the Bills and the Browns are the last two teams I wanted him to go. They have not set him up for success with awful O-Lines and at best 1 NFL starting quality receiver on each team. Hopefully he gets a fair shake and gets traded to a team with the talent around him to allow him to thrive

Dang, Tyrod's gotta make those throws. Just feel for him. Needs the right situation.

Baker's slinging it. I know the comparison has been made five billion times, but he looks so much like Favre back there.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Honestly, everyone knows that Tyrod is a natural leader and an incredibly hard worker, but he just has not played well and it is painful to watch sometimes. Had the roles been flipped and Tyrod was behind a starter who played this poorly for 2.5 games, we all would have been clamoring for him to come in. Things are just not working for Tyrod in Cleveland.

"I thought the kid right there you're talking to right there played his nuts off."

Look. I know we all love Tyrod but he's looked like this with two teams now. At some point you have to admit it's not all crummy circumstances, bad linemen, or bad play calling. Some of this is on him. He has limitations as a QB. Like I said in some other treads here, he just doesn't put the ball in play enough, too often taking the safe, conservative route. Some times it works, plenty of other times the offense stalls out or just never gets going at all (like tonight). Baker is in now, the offensive line is the same and the play calling is largely the same. The difference? Baker don't give AF and is just slinging it. And now the Browns offense is showing signs of life. It sucks but it is what it is. It's the NFL. If you don't produce, you're out.

Tyrod is well respected. He works hard. He gets plenty of love from players, coaches, and media (seriously. They are far kinder to him than other QBs with similar numbers. Think of all the years Alex Smith was treated like dogshit despite winning games). What I'm saying is Tyrod will be fine. It's just that if he wants to lock down a starting job, he's got to improve.

I dont think he will get another opportunity to start in the NFL unfortunately, unless someone gets hurt..

Not out of the gate. No one is gonna sign him and hand him the reigns. He'll either be brought in as a back up or in another situation like Buffalo was where they were in transition and just looking for anyone to give them something. Right now, he's gonna be a Josh McCown/Ryan Fitzpatrick/ type of QB. A very solid back up that can win you games. Like all those guys, they all floated around the league long enough to where they eventually found themselves with a chance to be a starter again. He just needs to work on his game and be ready when that time comes.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Tyrod is too safe and doesn't throw his receivers open, by the time they break wide open he is pressured. Gotta anticipate things. He is a backup qb any team should want and that is ok.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Tyrod missing easy throws and has more rushing than passing yards. He also has no time to throw in a historically bad organization...with a first overall pick behind him. He's done.

Doesn't help when that first overall pick throws for 200 yds in just over one half and leads the Browns to their first win in over a year. The team looked totally different with Mayfield in there....Tyrod is done as the starter.

Tyrod isn't seeing the field the rest of this year. Not a chance

Until the O-line goes back to playing like it did in the first half and Mayfield gets broken.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Tyrod did his career no favors last night in NFL "prime time." I want him to succeed, but as a QB who has been in the league as long as he has, he must not be scared of the throws he had open to him.

Congratulations Browns!

Doesn't matter who led the second half charge, the team did it and Tyrod should be happy too because he's shown good leadership and work ethic that has helped - and will continue to help - the team and Mayfield.

Doubtful that Mayfield can play that well for 13 games with teams watching his tape, planning for him, etc, so I wouldn't count Tyrod out for the rest of the year, but Mayfield will start and they'll ride his arm until he gets hurt or has some bad outings.

I bet Tyrod keeps working hard and stays prepared for when he's needed, and I hope he starts slinging it when he gets his chance again:)

Let it be said that Tyrod could have led the team from behind in a similar fashion, like he did in week one. Oh, and week two, also. His stats were really bad, and he missed some throws, but he had a couple of throws that could have been caught, like the interference no-call in the endzone on Callaway on the first drive.

Some Browns fans here have speculated Tyrod was playing with a concussion after the second series. He took an uncalled helmet-to-helmet and really struggled after that.

THE BROWNS DO WHAT HALF OF THE OTHER NFL TEAMS DO EVERY WEEKEND! THE RESULTS WILL SHOCK YOU!

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

This year, fewer than half of the NFL teams have won each complete weekend so far due to the ties. So the accomplishment is even more impressive!

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Such a crappy broadcast but Buck and Aikman last night, I had to mute it multiple times. I have watched countless hours of football and have NEVER seen a starting QB go down and proceed to give NO injury update on Tyrod for the rest of the game besides a brief pan of him walking to the locker room. They then proceeded to have their head so far up Mayfield's butt they couldn't even think straight.

Even before Tyrod went down, all they could do was have a suckfest for Mayfield.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Joe Buck has improved slightly over his career, but the only PBP guy I can unequivocally say he's better than is Dick Stockton, who's 385 years old and should have retired at the turn of the century. Joe doesn't have that excuse, and he and Troy's biases show through on a weekly basis.

Kevin Burkhardt is the best play by play guy at Fox.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I mean....

Mayfield was the #1 overall pick in the draft that pretty much everyone outside of Tyrod fans has been clamoring to see this year, especially with D'Arnold and Mahomes tearing it up. Very, very few turned in to see how Tyrod could handle the team, and they were playing to their audience.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

This. I'm not really sure what most people expect when the first overall pick comes in in-relief, tears it up and leads this team to there first win in forever. No one in Cleveland even remembers who Tyrod Taylor is now, and he played some pretty forgettable football up there in the first two games. Is what it is, but is not surprising at all.

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Congrats, Browns fans!

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

The line was horrible last night for Tyrod, it was like they were playing to get him injured. There was an unblocked defender in his face almost every drop back, and they didn't even try to get the run game going just letting him take a beating after a beating.

Terrell Edmunds got an interception for the Steelers. I'll take this as a sign that this is going to be a better week for Tech.

Te to qb

Exum just housed a Phillip Rivers pick

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I am not putting this on him, but how many interceptions did Mayfield throw tonight?

All right. While we're still under a caution, I want you to go back out on that track and hit the pace car.

Hit the pace car?

Hit the pace car!

What for?

Because you've hit every other goddamned thing out there, I want you to be perfect!

2 INTs and 2 fumbles lost which gave Oakland very short field and 14 points, plus one of his picks was a pick 6. Baker still looked good getting the ball down the field and extending plays with his legs.

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Terrell just recovered a fumble against the Ravens!

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Kendall Fuller having a rough game, didn't realize he was starting on the outside for KC instead of slot like he was on the skins. On the same drive go burnt deep, followed by overrunning a run to his side and ended getting blocked fairly easy for touchdown by the Denver RB.

Fugazy

I was slightly disturbed by the KC fan who looked like Andy Reid mated with Clifford the Big Red Dog...

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Paging GUNTAR...

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That KC drive was my dream offense. Holy moly that was beautiful.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Mahomes is the truth. I wish Kendall had made that pick to win the game, but he played great down the home stretch when it mattered most!

Kyle Fuller with two interceptions this game already.

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Poor Pat Mahomes. Kid is unreal, but has never had a defense in college or the pros. When was the last time an NFL team has the league-best offense and league-worst defense?

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Pretty sure that Joe Buck is calling the Broncos Cardinals game drunk.

Wouldn't you if you had to watch the Cardinals?

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)