The Justin Robinson Please Don't Be Seriously Injured Thread (#sauces: Broken Toe)

I don't have anything new about his injury. But instead of spreading all that information out across multiple threads, lets all center the good karma all in one place.

Praise be to the ankle gods, don't let it be bad. We needs the precious to continue this season. I really don't want to think about what the rest of the season would be like if he's out for a while.

I mean it would be totally awesome if, like, you were just being overly cautious and holding him out of a blowout to not make anything worse, and he'll be totally ready to go on Saturday in Raleigh. For us in the Triangle region, it would be totally cool if you could play and help beat the Wolfpeckers in their house to shut their fans up. Totally cool.

Update: Per #sauces on 247, he's going to be out a while with a broken toe. Given his importance to the team, this is probably the worst thing that could have happened to the team going into this stretch run.

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I don't really need 2 ankles 10 toes. He can have mine.

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no offense but how long do you think your ankle would hold up on his body with the way he attacks. im thinking he needs ankles more like this. super bendable lol

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

As long as 5 can play, I think he'll manage

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

shesh he only needs 1

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Just as long as you offer them to athletes and normal students

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Let me caveat the statement I'm about to make with this one first - I love J-Rob's overall game and he deserves all the accolades that come his way.

I get that his fearlessness around the rim puts him in harm's way at times, but I swear, he gets "injured" so often I wonder if he milks it a little bit more than he needs.

How many times have we seen him go down, clench our collective buttholes, see him go to the bench for treatment, and then come back into the game within five minutes?

For all the times he's looked injured, he's been extremely durable during his time at VT. He's literally played in every single game for the Hokies dating back to game 1 of his freshman season. The only game he hasn't started since the beginning of his sophomore year was against Central Connecticut State this year.

Makes me think the boot was precautionary, more than anything else. Point being, I wouldn't be shocked to see him in the starting lineup at NC State this weekend.

I, for one, have never seen 5 go down and clench our collective buttholes.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'm more worried about why 5 needs treatment after clenching our buttholes.

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yall just nasty

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

LOL. Fair play on the grammar catch. Leaving it!

Thanks for leaving it. Now I get to laugh too!

He stays down because in that moment he is not sure of the severity. But he knows, like every serious athlete how important his body is. If something feels like it might have been injured, he is very smart to stay down and get treatment instead of immediately toughing it out. I don't think he is milking it; he is simply protecting his body and being cautious.

No idea what to think about this injury though.

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You don't have to be an ass about it...

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Five hours to make a pun? You're way behind, man...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I have a life in the offseason, for better or worse. Only get on here every few days.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Rumors on 247 that it's a broken toe.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

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Anyone have a good sense on recovery time for a broken toe? A brief Googling says about six weeks, didn't know how long it would sideline someone for though.

my sauce says they're expecting at least 6 weeks here

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That will put him healthy right before selection sunday....we good fam

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

LeBrons played with broken toes his whole life! I think Jrob can manage the rest of the season.

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

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I'm not a doctor or nurse and I would never advocate for someone to play through a serious injury, but 6 weeks seems like a lot. We played through broken toes all the time in HS/College. My guess is that it depends which toe is broken and where on the toe the break occurred.

Or if it's fractured. Big difference if it's just a fracture.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Not always. Sometimes fractures won't heal too quickly if it doesn't have access to good blood flow. Not sure about toes, but my wrist took 4 weeks to even show a break and then another 4-6 weeks to heal.

"Broken bone" = "Bone fracture". Full stop.

There are many types of [broken bones | bone fractures]. I have personally had a number of "stress fractures", where the repeated stress of my foot hitting the ground during endurance running caused a tiny hairline crack to develop in my tibia (larger bone in lower leg). Stress fractures are extremely simple and can sometimes heal within 4-6 weeks.

I also had a "spiral fracture", where my femur was twisted and snapped like a twig. The break itself was about 4-6 inches long, meaning it was closer to parallel with the bone than perpendicular, and required surgery and 4 months of rehab to fully heal. My doctor (a pediatric specialist who flew into Norfolk from Texas to perform the surgery) told me that it was the worst "simple fracture" (a fracture where the bone doesn't break the skin, as opposed to a "compound fracture" where it does break the skin) he had ever seen.

Fracture is a break. They are the same thing.

I agree, six weeks does sound too high. I've broken a little toe on five occasions while playing soccer and kept on playing. I never missed a game, including once when I played a game the day after breaking a toe. Doctor's advice each time has been that I should let it heal but as long as I could tolerate some minor pain and discomfort then I could keep playing. If JRob is going to be out for a few weeks then I am guessing that he broke a big toe but I would think that four weeks would be enough time to heal.

same here multiple broken toes player soccer, but, do we know which toe? If it is his big toe, I could see that really hampering his ability to run, cut, jump, etc.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Broken finger or toe, just tape the broken one to the healthy ones, have plenty of Tylenol on hand, and play through it.

Seriously though, let it heal as much as reasonably possible without sacrificing the season, and at some point you got to play through it. Hopefully he gets great treatment that allows the injury to heal more rapidly than normal so we can have 5 for the critical stretch run. Bede is great defensively, and the rest of the team is pulling together to offset JRob's loss, but we're going to need him in crunch time to settle our offense.

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#sauce says :(

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If he's out for the year, this team is headed straight to the bubble.

If 5 is out for the year, we might not even see the bubble.....

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Maybe I underestimated the resiliency of this team!

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Between our engineering department and new medical school, can we come up with some special robotic cyber biotoe cast between now and Saturday for him to play?

On it.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

#Bapn ain't EZ

Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Where do you want it?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

If Landers Nolley was eligible this wouldn't hurt as bad

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If Chris Clarke wasn't suspended this wouldn't hurt as bad

I don't know man - from the way JRob was grimmicing, it look like it hurt a lot.

But maybe Nolley's presence on the court would have brought JRob comfort, kinda like momma's kisses would take away the booboos.

If we had another guard who could competently handle the ball this wouldn't hurt as bad. Love Hill, NAW, and Bede but primary ball handlers they are not. Robinson is the one who makes this ship go

If Robinson misses significant time, Wilkins has gone from intended redshirt to 6th man. 7th man is Kabongo and 8th man is.... well nobody

tried google image search brendan palmer and Tyrece Radford so I could comment "who you calling noboday" but they came up with nothing. turns out you are indeed correct. it is nobody.

for anyone who doesn't know. those are the ONLY 2 people listed on our basketball roster that are eligible to play at this time after Kabongo.

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Wanna win put boobie in! Let boobie spin coach!

Yep. Tyrece Radford has been balling at McComas, because he's redshirting. Palmer apparently sometimes too but I haven't seen him. Both of them are in dress clothes (along with Nolley) for home games but I don't think any of those guys are travelling for road games.

Palmer travels and has been out with an injury.

May be back for NC State.

Oh ok, I wasn't sure what his deal was

I don't think it has been reported. Also, at least he played some earlier in the year so at least they aren't burning his redshirt.

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This is why we can't have nice things

What are the odds we actually see any kind of official announcement or report?

I would imagine nothing official until NCSU game time, at the earliest, so that they can't 100% game plan for no JRob.

Out 6 weeks per my source which sucks.

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Buzz needs to call in Ronnie Lott to give 5 a pep talk.

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Now I don't feel like quite as much of a monster for also thinking this.

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

You may need to explain for the younglings on this board. All I can say is Ronnie was hardcore and was part of a time in pro football where there was much less concern for long-term personal health. But this photo speaks volumes:

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Honestly at this point take the best intermural/club player too.

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Six weeks from today is March 14, the ACC tourney starts March 12. As long as we keep from having to play on the first day (9 seed or higher), J Rob should be back and fully rusty for the ACC tourney and a run into the NCAAs. Right now we have a 4 game lead on #10 (Clemson at 2-6 in conf). All we need to do is stay in the top 9 of the conf.

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If Buzz can still find a way to get some quadrant one wins with all of the talent that is Injured, suspended, and ineligible. Then he needs to start helping out with the football team.

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This has been a good year thus far, and will still probrably result in a tourney bid. But if J Rob misses significant time on top of Clarke, Nolley etc...damn what a great year this could have been. Could have been an elite 8 type team with that much talent and depth.

Could still be an Elite 8 team... 6 weeks puts him coming back before Selection Sunday, much less the second weekend of the NCAA tournament

I think he was saying that with Robinson, Clarke, and Nolley, this could have been an Elite 8 team. Not just with Robinson back.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I mean, we're #12 in the AP Poll, #7 in ESPN's BPI rankings, and #10 in the new NCAA NET rankings, even with Clarke and Nolley sidelined all season. If we keep it up, there's no reason to think that a 3-seed couldn't make the Elite 8. Certainly not the expectation, but definitely possible.

Not to derail this conversation, but this makes me think about next year. Nolley and (hopefully) Clarke are back, along with Harris, Blackshear, Bede. That ain't bad. We just need another big and a point guard to step up....

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We do lose quite a lot though. I doubt next year will be as good as this year honestly.

For 3 million a year, Roster management should be a basic expectation, no?

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c'mon man, yes dc gets on my nerves but there's no need to troll him when he makes a solid comment

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Just seems odd to me that Buzz gets a pass for roster management and Fuente doesn't, even considering injuries and transfers, when Buzz has been at VT a year longer and basketball only has 13 scholarships to manage (and really only 3 positions in Buzz's system-Point, Wing, Big).

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I'm trying to figure out how buzz can have a contingency plan for six guys being injured leaving the program or ineligible for some other reason since May 1st... Cy, Tyree Jackson, Nolley, Clarke, Horne and now Robinson all lost since after spring signing date. He did well to go out and find Wilkins as a late signee... that's probably the best he could have done

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My post was sarcastic and crafted after complaints directed toward Fuente. I agree that things happen out of a coach's control- you can come up with a laundry list for Fuente as well. Yet critics claim those are invalid excuses and have pointed to salary and time at the school as reasons. I'm genuinely curious why those same factors wouldn't be applied to Buzz. I'm gathering that the answer is, "we're highly ranked right now so it's not the same."

So while I hope 5 isn't out for as long as being speculated, if he is, it's extremely unlikely we're going to be ranked or even a lock for the tournament by the end of the season. I'll be very curious to see the opinions of Buzz at that point.

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I think Buzz has taken heat on here for his handling of the bigs situation, but its also a little apples to oranges, he's down 5, Horne, Nolley, and Clarke right now out of 13-15 guys? That's almost 30% of his roster, the equivalent for Fuente would be ~25 guys which at that point the "roster management" stuff would not really be a line of attack

Also, Buzz just has more built up good will right now amongst the fan base than Fuente, part of that is where the programs sat when Fuente and Buzz were hired vs where they are now and part of it is their personality/charisma that gives Buzz a leg up

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I agree Buzz has more good will currently and part of that may be personality related. If we miss the NCAA tournament or have another 1st round exit this year, I'll be interested to see if it lasts.

Clarke (student conduct), Nolley (academics), and Sy (transfer) weren't lost due to injury and are similar situations to the most of the attrition from the football team (Mook, Adonis, and some transfers). However, the general reactions to those situations have been extremely different.

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First of all, nolley isnt out cus of academics, nolley is out because the NCAA has its head up its ass. Nolley is out because his academics are too good. No accusation of cheating, just nolley beat his expected SAT, like learning and growing are impossible for a college bound highschooler. Buzz can't do anything about that.

I didn't take a stance on the NCAA's policies but the fact of the matter is that he is out for academic reasons. The NCAA's formula for GPA requirements relative to standardized test scores have been made publicly available so VT should have known it would be an issue when they received his transcripts and test scores for enrollment (and informed Buzz of such).

And yes, I agree that Buzz can't do anything about that. Exactly like Fuente couldn't do anything about Adonis Alexander becoming academically ineligible or Mook Reynolds being automatically suspended per athletic department policies.

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Just seems odd to me that Buzz gets a pass for roster management and Fuente doesn't, even considering injuries and transfers, when Buzz has been at VT a year longer and basketball only has 13 scholarships to manage (and really only 3 positions in Buzz's system-Point, Wing, Big).

The basketball team is currently 17-3 at a school that traditionally sucks at basketball. The football team wasn't even .500 at a school that doesn't traditionally suck at football. That's why.

Yes the basketball team is better in 2018 but I believe that's an incredibly myopic perspective considering the differences between the sports. 8 of our basketball wins are rated as Q4 and another 4 are Q3. Also I'd say it's not reasonable to judge a coach based on a single season, especially when one of those seasons still has more than half of the in-conference games remaining.

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8 of our basketball wins are rated as Q4 and another 4 are Q3.

Which quadrant would ODU football be in?

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Q4. Does anybody actually want to play that game with every loss over the course of a coach's tenure? Beamer was an all-time great coach and had multiple losses comparable to ODU. What quadrant was the basketball team's loss to St Louis last year? Alabama State in 2015?

Buzz is a damn good coach but people gave him time. Sometimes bad losses happen. Everyone agrees 2018 was a disappointing season for the football team but some of the expectations were set preposterously high for the season.

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to be fair, we do still bring up JMU a good deal

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Judging by percentages and S&P+ rankings, Tech's football season consisted of:
(4) Q3 Wins - @FSU, @Duke, UVA, Marshall
(2) Q4 Wins - W&M, @UNC
(1) Q1 Loss - ND
(2) Q2 Losses - Miami, Cincy
(1) Q3 Loss - @Pitt
(3) Q4 Losses - @ODU, GT, BC

Which is roughly the equivalent of Rice or Detroit Mercy basketball

Haha I like the way you did that, even if it is a little off. GT and BC were both Q3 losses. Cincy might even be a Q1 loss bc of the neutral site.

Does S&P publish rankings for FCS schools? I didn't see them at first glance.

Also two things here I'm not sure you took into account:

  1. Road vs home drastically alters the quadrant of a game (i.e. Q1 wins go all the way to top 75 teams if you're on the road, but only top 30 teams if you're at home). I can't see ODU being anything worse than a Quadrant 3 loss simply because it was a road game
  2. From some quick googling - CBB has 353 D1 programs, but CFB only has 255. So to create a fair comparison, you'd likely have to shrink the ranges of all the quadrants - roughly by a factor of 0.7

I might actually do the math for this later today once I get off work...

Here's how I came up with it. I used the percentages of the quadrants for 351 basketball teams and applied to the 130 FBS teams to find the new zones.

Quadrant 1 - H: 1-11 (8.5%), A: 1-27 (21%), N: 1-18 (14%)
Quadrant 2 - H: 12-27 (21%), A: 28-49 (38%), N: 19-37 (28.5%)
Quadrant 3 - H: 28-59 (45.6%), A: 50-88 (68%), N: 38-74 (57%)
Quadrant 4 - H: 60-130, A: 89-130, N: 75-130

Our schedule:

@FSU: S&P+: 84/130 - Q3W
W&M: S&P+: 130/130 - Q4W - I assumed they would not be close enough to the Q3 zone to matter
@ODU: S&P+: 99/130 - Q4L
@Duke: S&P+: 55/130 - Q3W
ND: S&P+: 7/130 - Q1L
@UNC: S&P+: 95/130 - Q4W
GT: S&P+: 82/130 - Q4L
BC: S&P+: 70/130 - Q4L
@Pitt: S&P+: 69/130 - Q3L
Miami: S&P+: 25/130 - Q2L
UVA: S&P+: 37/130 - Q3W
Marshall: S&P+: 43/130 - Q3W
NCincy: S&P+: 32/130 - Q2L

This is a cool analysis but I believe the distinction between FBS/FCS causes significant issues in the quadrant system for football because it does not end up making rational sense. It's totally illogical to assert that GT and BC are Q4 losses comparable to Rice or Detroit Mercy in basketball. Essentially the P5 in football is a P6 in basketball (add in the Big East), but there are an additional 200 teams in low level conferences to counteract that. In other words, you need to include the additional 125 FCS teams for the quadrant system to be more comparable between football and basketball.

For example in football, BC went 7-5 (4-4) this past season and was the 7/8 best team in the ACC. In basketball, Wake Forest is by far the worst rated team in the ACC (NET of 193; next lowest is BC at 121) and they are the only ACC team that can possibly be a Q4 game. Their record is currently 8-12 (1-7). A far more accurate comparison to BC football would be Clemson or Pitt basketball (10-12th ACC team range to accounting for the fact that ACC basketball is better than ACC football), whom have NET ratings of 54 and 71 respectively. Ultimately, that would equate home losses to BC and GT to the low Q2/high Q3 area which, I believe, is a far more accurate representation of the quality of those losses.

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Gotcha. So I think the only thing I'd do differently is to use both FBS and FCS teams when calculating the new zones since the basketball quadrants expand out to all 351 teams. There's a bit of an issue since S&P doesn't rate FCS teams, but I looked at Sagarin's rating system (which does include FCS) and there's only 8 teams in the top 100. So at worst, you'd bump a couple of the lower teams down a few spots due to teams like NSDU, SDSU, EWU, but that doesn't make much of a difference. I've got something like this (rounding decimals):

Q1 - H: 1-22, N: 1-36, A: 1-54
Q2 - H: 23-54, N: 37-72, A: 55-98
Q3 - H: 55-116, N: 73-144, A: 98-173
Q4 - H: 117+, N: 145+, A: 174+

Schedule:
@FSU: S&P+: 84th - Q2W
W&M: S&P+: no ratings for FCS, but I highly doubt they were a top 116 team, so 99.9% certain a Q4W
@ODU: S&P+: 99th - Q3L
@Duke: S&P+: 55th - Q2W
ND: S&P+: 7th - Q1L
@UNC: S&P+: 95th - Q2W
GT: S&P+: 82th - Q3L
BC: S&P+: 70th - Q3L
@Pitt: S&P+: 69th - Q2L
Miami: S&P+: 25th - Q2L
UVA: S&P+: 37th - Q2W
Marshall: S&P+: 43th - Q2W
Cincy (N): S&P+: 32th - Q1L

Overall:
"Quality" wins: @FSU, @Duke, @UNC, UVA, Marshall (all meh)
"Quality" losses: ND, Cincy (N)

Bad losses: @ODU, GT, BC

"a school that traditionally sucks at basketball."? You are aware that tradition at VT started a long time ago, right? Some of us older folks sure had a ton of fun back in the "olden days" watching filled up Cassell and the likes of Dale Solomon, Dell Curry, Alan Bristow, Bimbo Coles, Ace Custis and so on. What we weren't back then, though, was perceived as being a traditional football school.

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I'm not trying to sound sarcastic... but what tradition are you referring to?

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Hmm, we had a run of 5 NCAA appearances in 11 years from 1976 to 1986. Aside from that, we've had exactly 5 other appearances in the history of the program.

"A school that traditionally sucks at basketball" is pretty accurate, despite that one decade of relative success, especially when you consider that in the 30 years prior to 2017 we made the NCAA tournament exactly twice.

Look, I know everything has to be shiny and new, but no, we did not traditionally suck at basketball. The NCAAs didn't always contain 64 teams+, and while we weren't competing with the ACC teams, we still had good basketball that was fun and we had good players who could ball. The Cassell used to be full often, and a bunch of good games were played there. Now, if you were to state that we traditionally sucked at football, as I said above, you'd be right, since until 1995, we weren't on the map at all, and at that point, we were traditionally more of a basketball school than football. Our basketball program hit hard times, with some poor coaching choices and the difficulties of recruiting in the ACC footprint, but nobody involved with VT before those hard times would have characterized it as traditionally sucking. Tell you what, though, you probably weren't there, so you can say what you want, but perhaps those of us who were actually in the seats might see it differently. Perhaps we define tradition differently, or something, but a school that's well over a hundred years old has had several traditions come and go. No doubt Buzz is doing great, and I love it, but no need to denigrate the athletes and fans from before your time with blanket dismissal.

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I'm not trying to denigrate the athletes that played for VT historically. I know there were some very good players who passed through Blacksburg back in the day. I will admit that maybe saying our basketball program "traditionally sucked" is a bit harsh, but at the same time you cannot objectively state that we had anything remotely resembling a "rich basketball tradition", despite that one decade of moderate success from the mid-70's to the mid-80's as an independent.

Before that mini-run, we spent 45 years in the Southern Conference, which I don't think was ever known as any sort of basketball powerhouse, and we accrued a conference record of 211-301, winning only 41% of our games, and won exactly one conference championship. We never made a postseason tournament of any kind until the 1966 NIT, where we lost in the first round. We were able to make the Elite 8 the following year before descending back into obscurity for a few years.

After our aforementioned moderately successful decade of independence, we became a mediocre Metro team, failing to make any postseason tournaments until the 1995 NIT, which we won, and then parlayed that success into an NCAA berth the following season.

tl;dr: maybe "traditionally suck" was a bit harsh, but aside from one decade 30-40 years ago we have been almost completely irrelevant at the national level, and largely irrelevant at the regional level aside from a few successful seasons peppered throughout our history. We are currently experiencing the Golden Age of VT basketball, and it isn't even close.

We had some really good basketball teams in the late-70s through the mid-80s in the Metro Conference, which was a pretty good basketball conference back in the day, with Louisville and Memphis State seemingly always ranked in the top 10-15. We were usually right behind those teams, stunning them every so often. Heck, I always envision how good some of those teams would have been had the 3-point shot been in effect back then, with guys like Curry, Beecher, and Schneider lighting it up from outside. Charlie Moir had a really nice run of teams back then.

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I know, I specifically mentioned "mid-70's to the mid-80's" for a reason. But even though we were decent, we weren't great. Still our only Elite 8 appearance came before that run, and even during the run we weren't regularly making noise nationally. Our greatest accomplishment in that span was probably upsetting #1 Memphis State, or possibly winning the 1979 Metro tournament in our first season in the conference. We beat the 1-seed, #13 Louisville, and unranked 2-seed FSU in the semis and finals, and went on to be an 8-seed in the NCAA tournament (back when there were only 40 teams invited), where we beat the 9-seed before getting crushed by the 1-seed.

OK, now I know where you are trying to come from. Either we're great and nationally prominent, or we suck...traditionally, no less. My personal opinion is that your perspective is skewed, trying to apply today's metrics to yesteryear's programs. No matter what you say, I will say for the last time, in my opinion, we didn't suck, and since I was around and you weren't, I'll just go with my experiences over your opinions. I'm done here before I insult everyone under 40.

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I guess it just depends on your perspective. We have overall been better than ODU, W&M, JMU, Radford, etc, so if you're trying to compare us to the other non-major teams in Virginia then you're right, we had a fine program, with a rich history of being a top-5 program in the state on average. As far as major programs go, however, we've always played second fiddle to UVA, and you could also make the argument that even VCU has had a better program than us since about 1980, and they've only fielded a team for about 50 years.

Maybe you're right, maybe my perspective is being skewed by the fact that we're now a major program in a major conference, and looking back on our history where we were barely competitive in other conferences that barely counted as "mid-major" conferences shows that we've come a long way as a program. Maybe when you started watching, the general feel of the program was that of one that was growing and improving, and had no thoughts of ever being one of the "big boys", and maybe you were happy with that. But, by the perspective of today, we have had very little historical success, outside of winning a few NIT's and making one solitary Sweet Sixteen appearance, something that I would like to see changed. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather watch a program that's fighting for 4th place in the ACC with teams like Louisville and Syracuse than one that's fighting for 4th place in the state with schools like ODU and JMU.

I think I just realized that you are hung up on the word "traditionally", maybe thinking we're using it in the same way that Enter Sandman is a tradition, or that beating UVA in football is a tradition, or that making bowl games is a tradition. Sometimes a word can have multiple definitions, and sometimes another word could be selected to remove some ambiguity as to which definition is meant.

Would we still be having this conversation if he had said "historically" instead of "traditionally"? Because I feel like that conveys the idea that 7LoP intended.

OK, you sucked me back in, and I'm mad at myself for it, but you did. First of all, Enter Sandman is a "new" practice. Is it really even a tradition, yet? Time will tell. I absolutely hope that beating UVA will actually become a tradition.

As for the conversation supposedly resting on the semantics of "historically" versus "traditionally", again, I think you are missing the whole point I was trying to make. My annoyance isn't with that part of the pronouncement that made me take issue, however. It is, primarily, with the characterization that we "sucked". I called bullshit on that pronouncement, and still feel that way. To not know about those teams and players isn't surprising to me. After all, not many on this site have been a Hokie for more than 50 years like I have, but I honestly feel that the notion that VT basketball began when Buzz Williams was hired is supremely disrespectful and dismissive to the teams, players, and fans that represented VT in years past. Honestly, I don't believe I can be any clearer on my position, and nothing, I repeat, nothing you or anyone else who agrees with you can say will change the way I feel about it. I don't care how you try to rationalize it, or change the wording, to be frank, and since I have said the same thing over and over, it makes no sense for me to reply again since it is obvious that you'll just try to find another way to say the same thing and no minds will be changed. So peace be with you, I'm really out, this time.

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the notion that VT basketball began when Buzz Williams was hired

Nobody is saying that. Literally nobody. There's a huge difference between "Buzz Williams has the program in the best shape it's ever been in 2019" and "Buzz Williams is the only good thing to happen to VT Basketball".

All I'm saying is, looking at the entire history of the program and comparing it to others, and then ranked them by how the programs have performed on average, we would not be high on that list, at all. Definitely not top 50, and maybe not even top 100. Yes, we've had a handful of exceptional players over the years, and a large number of people have devoted their college years to putting the best product on the Cassell Coliseum floor as possible, and I am very thankful for each and every one of them, but the truth is that between the few sharp peaks in our program's history we've had some deep and wide valleys.

Whether due to our different perspectives (you've been watching VT sports for 30 years longer than me), different ideals for where we want the program to be, or the simple fact that you still enjoyed supporting the program through both the peaks and valleys over the years and remember those seasons fondly, or even all of the above, it's obvious that we are either making two completely different arguments here, or that we have completely different opinions and that's not likely to change. Have a leg for keeping it civil despite the massive difference in opinion. To close with something we can both agree on, Go Hokies.

sure, but that tradition spent a while in hibernation. it would be like if fuente got fired and for the next decade we were a 5-6 football school. Yes beamer would have a football tradition, but in 2030, it wouldn't still be propelling the program.

Oof, man this is some petty shit. Sounds like dc is living in your head.

Buzz has the team in the top 15 and has been to the post season in a brutal ACC two years in a row. Despite injuries, NCAA Issues, etc. Fuente just went 6-7 and had several mid season transfers and post season starters transfer. So, no not the same situations. Thanks

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If it's about being ranked, then it should matter that Fuente had us ranked as high as 17, 12, and 12 during his 3 seasons. Also VT football has been to the postseason every season that he's coached.

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Yes but The basketball team was in a much worse situation when Buzz came in Then when Fuente came in

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Agreed- though I do think people tend to overvalue the state of the football program when Fuente arrived (22-18 overall record from 2013-2015, including 0-2 vs ECU and that Wake Forest game).

I think Buzz has done an amazing job overall and we certainly shouldn't be considering moving on. However, Buzz was hired in March 2014 so he's had time to revamp the entire roster with OKGs. The roster truly is his at this point. Additionally, basketball only has 13 scholarships and the transition from high school to D1 is much faster, which makes it far less challenging to turn over a roster and establish your program compared to football.

Conversely, Fuente was hired in December 2015 and has had two true recruiting classes (the group that just signed is his third). Football has 85 scholarships and it's expected that most players will require 2-3 years to even contribute on the field. It doesn't make any sense why roster management would be a valid criticism of Fuente as a head coach while chalking it up as bad luck for Buzz.

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The 13 scholarships also mean that losing 4 guys through various nonsense in the offseason (Clarke, Nolley, Jackson and Sy) represents a WAY bigger percentage of the whole team lost. Throw in two injuries to contributors, (Robinson and Horne) and suddenly you're looking at something like 45% of your expected scholarships who won't be playing for the next couple weeks, and a big chunk of expected minutes coming in to the season. Fu has had to deal with some stuff, but maybe lets settle down?

Also, if we're talking about overvaluing the state of the program when Fu took over, do you want to talk about just how bad our basketball team was when Buzz took over? JJ was 22-41 (6-30). Buzz's first season was not good, but from his second season on we've won 20 games, and 10 in conference, along with finishing in the top half of the ACC.

For the record, I think Fu is getting a bit of a harsh treatment from some folks on this board, I think there's reason to be optimistic for the future. We lost a LOT of talent to the NFL and to various other forms of attrition coming in to the past season. But this is a dumb way to make that point.

Just curious, but are Clarke, Jackson, & Sy still on scholarship? Seems like they would not count towards the 13 alotted. As for Nolley, I would expect him to be on scholarship, but really it shouldn't count towards the 13 until the NCAA gets its head out of its ass and makes him eligible. That whole Nolley situation is screwed up, and as much as I hope that it won't, it probably will end up impacting our season, just like the JRob injury.

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Although also keeping in mind how much tougher the ACC competition is in basketball than in football. I think people would be less on edge if VT football was getting ran over by Florida and Alabama rather than Pitt and GT.

I know you are being willfully obtuse for the sake of argument but the situations are different and it's not complicated. The basketball program has gone from dreadful when Buzz took over to our best team in about 25 years.

Yay pre-season inertia. Totally based on merit.

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Well I was at McComas twice last week and I can tell you that:

The best player at McComas right now is Chris Clarke :'(

And the 2nd best player is Tyrece Radford, redshirting this year

Are you the 3rd best player?

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I wish

TBH, I would hope that two members of the varsity basketball team (former or not) would be the best two players in McComas.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I don't know ive heard tre turner goes in there from time to time.

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Funny anecdote, I lost to some VT linemen in an impromptu mccomas dunk contest one year around 2003-2004. I'm 6'-8" and could jump decent for a then-skinny white boy. Needless to say my eyes were opened to the athleticism of D1 linemen, shorter and heavier than me or not. Dudes could seriously get up.

Senior year my friends and I beat a team compiled of a combination of football/basketball players and I rejected a football player's dunk attempt. They were hostile and fuming that they lost and wouldn't give up the court.

I retired from McComas Ball on that note.

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Given what i'm reading about in terms of timelines, will be interesting to see if these next few weeks will really set the pace for next year's team. Also could be totally different roster than what were trotting out.

Whether they can scap and compete without the floor general and with that much more attention from defenses on NAW.

When i saw Robinson go down I didn't think much of it TBH. This kid always seems to take a few big hits while driving the lane and still manages to get up. Hard for me to believe he is actually going to miss time...

I'm gonna read into this meaning that J-Rob broke his toe, but has Wolverine like powers and he's now healed up and actually stronger than ever. NC State is so screwed

I mean....have you ever seen 5 and Wolverine in the same place at the same time?

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Actually, we have. He put up 11 points with 4 assists on November 30th, 2016.

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I broke my big toe a few years ago playing winter league at the Y. We went on a 2 week break for the holidays and I was good to go. My big toe turned purple. It took about 9 months for the nail to fall off. I am old. I think he will be fine in 2 weeks or less.

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I typically hate anecdotal stories but all my research, healthline.gov pubmed and Mayo Clinic, all say 4-6 weeks for broken toe. He is an elite athlete and I'm hoping for 4, but 2 wouldn't shock me.

I think the medical people say 4-6 weeks because that is how long it takes to grow a significant amount of bone back. If he goes full JRob speed in 2 weeks it is likely to break again. Also there are very different degrees of break. From crack to full displacement.

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To be honest he could play tomorrow even if it is a big broken toe. It's all pain tolerance. It's not like he would be at risk of losing his toe if he played.

With that said, it would hurt like a summa bitch to play his game on that toe if it is what we've heard. I'd rather go into the ncaa tourney as a 9 seed with a healthy JRob, rather than to have him fight through it and be a 6/7 seed that we might get with a hobbled JRob.

If he can't play right now then it gives a lot of guys some big time experience for next year (looking at you bede, kabongo, Wilkins). Obviously JRob running the show is ideal, but hopefully if he does sit out our guys gain experience for the tourney and for next year, and then JRob comes back with the freshest legs in the tournament.

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what I told you god isn't a hokie and trees just turn colors for no reason in the fall, 2019 the hokie apocalypse.

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I feel like the apocalypse started last year and has just continued for almost a full calendar year now

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I'm afraid we may all need to come to grips with the possibility that UVA becoming the first 1 seed to lose to a 16 somehow distorted all time and broke Virginia Tech athletics forever...

I want to know what Hokies sold their souls to the devil to cause the LOLUVA loss?

I didn't necessarily sell it, but I did loan it to Loki for a while

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For as awesome as this season has been, it also sucks.

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On Mobile, but this Tweet Is claiming JRob does not have a boot on today

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This was yesterday at their get better workout so I wouldn't read too much into it he may not have participated (I also zoomed in and looked last night fwiw lol)

He is in a boot today in warm ups. Hopefully it's just a mind trick on the pack

Was absent from any shootaround videos posted on IG or twitter from the team :(

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His toes are showing in the boot he is wearing. I'm not a doctor; but looks like a lot of boot for a broken toe.

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Not typically for a broken toe, but a broken toe can mean a lot of different bones broken. I've generally seen that small sandal looking one that is still open toe.

I haven't seen much, but has the team given a timeline on when J-Rob 5 can return?

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its almost as if they are Virginia tech sports. keeping everything so secretive and all.

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I'm not saying it's concrete, but, I was in a meeting this past week where I was told he'd be back for the ACC Tournament with a small chance of playing a game or two before hand.

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It was at the Hokie Club meeting last Tuesday. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just sharing with you what I've been told.

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Not concrete...so how thick/thin is this soup #sauce, SoupHokie? Are we talking a thick and hearty clam chowder or as thin as chicken broth?

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Was he in a boot Saturday? It'd be incredible if we could have him back for Duke but I assume we'll have to wait till FSU

#Sauces say we might not see him again and injury was worse that originally thought, thus the move to crutches.

I'd be shocked if he plays before the NCAA tournament (yes we're getting in, even if we lose out).

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It makes the most sense. If he was going to be back soon the coaches would be putting that out there now, but keeping his status a mystery keeps some hope from voters (and more importantly, the committee) that they can expect the Top 10 VT once tournament season begins. If the reality that he isn't coming back sets in, everyone is going to have to deal with the VT that we've seen starting with the NCSU game is the VT we'll see the rest of the way, and then things become very murky, in a bad way for us.

And before you jump that we would never do this, keep in mind that Buzz has been calling timeouts and running plays late in games specifically to get the final deficit of losses under 10 points, to effectively game the NET rankings. (Which, I think is a smart coaching move, anything to put yourself in a better light is good)

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I think that whole "gaming the NET rankings" thing is overblown.

Ever since he came to Blacksburg, Buzz has consistently called late-game timeouts to set up scoring plays, even when the game is no longer in doubt. He wants the reps for his players so they get comfortable executing those plays, so the chances of completing them in an actual game-deciding situation is higher.

I agree. Buzz views it as another rep for later like you said. His analytics ball approach is centered around maximizing your time in the most efficient way possible - late game situations included.

I'm not sure if anything's changed injury wise since last week, but the Assistant AD seemed pretty confident he'd be back by the ACC Tourney

Bright side.... we don't look as anemic as we did at first without him.... KJ looking like a man possessed.... and we had #3 on the ropes all game (short staffed) and only lost because we had a very poor showing from behind the arc.

It also doesn't help that apparently there's a new rule/foul that I've never seen/heard called before that gives 2 shots and the ball for no apparent reason. If two officials can't make a decision with slow mo TV and a 3rd is called over, it can't/shouldn't be considered a foul worth up to 5 points.

If we could've hit just 20% from 3PT (which is still abysmal for us), we win easy going away by double digits.

Everyone's high on UVA for some reason... the last few games they've been beaten and got taken to the brink by ND and look very beatable. They're sloppy with the ball and don't know what to do when rushed. But they're still talked about as untouchable.

Hot Take, they're eliminated at the Elite 8

Tech did the national landscape (due to prime time game) a service last night. I see the game as the moment Xerxes gets speared in the cheek.

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That new foul is the hook and hold which is, in fact, new this season. It is specifically supposed to be reviewed to see who hooked whom per the rules. It was put in to address player safety (although I am not certain how it does.)

There were several against us that were missed in the Pitt game. The one on Bede in the first half was a legitimate call. I don't recall the second one, but I missed the second half of the game.

The second one was on KJ. Not sure if it was legit or not. Haven't seen it on TV.

I don't know the rules of official review, but it seems they always have one official stand away and then call them over and have one that was originally reviewing to walk away. Looks like maybe to avoid influencing the opinion of what is being seen on replay. If so, I think that's a good way to do it, though, I'm firmly against any type of replay in any sport. Waste of time if you ask me. I'd rather be watching the action regardless of whether they got it right or wrong.

It was pretty soft. To me it looked like he was just trying to put his hands up to challenge for the rebound and the BooHoo had his arm over the top of KJ's arm, so that when he raised his hands his arm ended up in the UVA player's armpit.

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Agreed - it was pretty weak.

However, that one only cost one point, and didn't put an extra foul on KJ. They had already called the foul - just upgraded it upon review, and then Salt only made 1 of 2 free throws.

I can understand the call... but I can't agree with calling it when it's so soft.

If the intention is to protect the players I assume, but if the players aren't even budged from the floor or lifted from the ground, I don't see how it's a dangerous play.

If they're trying to call it as a deception/flopping foul, the NCAA needs to address much more important stuff than battling for rebounds (jumping into players to draw contact, countless body language flops that draw attention for minimal contact, etc)...

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I suppose I get a down vote for note seeing it on TV yet?

and the third and fourth ones should have been on UVA but the officials failed to review either even with Buzz calling for a review on at least one of the two.

Both times would have sent Blackshear to the line and given us the ball. We lost by six.

It the stands it was frustrating to see the hook and hold by UVA. After the one, Blackshear said something to a ref and the ref started walking to the desk during the TV timeout. Bennett walked up to the ref and waved him off. And the frigging ref did walk away from the desk.

Jedi mind trick - that's not the hook and hold you're looking for.

Coach K wouldn't have even had to leave his seat to divert the official

Bright side.... we don't look as anemic as we did at first without him.... KJ looking like a man possessed.... and we had #3 on the ropes all game (short staffed) and only lost because we had a very poor showing from behind the arc.

With JRob we have a chance to make noise in the ACC and NCAA. Without him, we are mediocre at best and not a threat to make a post season run.

If we could've hit just 20% from 3PT (which is still abysmal for us), we win easy going away by double digits.

Give loluva credit for some of the poor shooting. They play D and make you hit contested shots and then when you're actually open it looks rushed possibly because of the expectation of a closing defender but also the pressure of hitting the open shot is increased because there are just fewer of them.

UVA's defense certainly plays a part, being the best in the conference at defending the three, but I honestly think that it's just as mental right now with our scorers as it is good defense. Everyone but KJ has been ice cold without Robinson (also part of getting better open looks), but I think once this group sees a few in-and-outs like they had in the first half, the mental part of the game sinks in and they just go (remain) cold.

Fatigue could be a factor as well. 3 ACC games in 5 days all without JRob takes a toll.

I'm not discrediting UVA entirely, but I can't give them credit entirely for us missing 25+ 3 pointers....

I never claimed we'd make noise in the NCAA without him...I'm just pointing out that we look a ton better now (after 4/5ish games) without J Rob. The first 2 games we looked abysmal and my hopes were at an all time low.

If we perform like we did last night, minus the missing of 3's, we could make a mini run if chips fall the right way.

If UVA performs like they did last night, they could see a potential Round of 32 dismissal....

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If UVA performs like they did last night, they could see a potential Round of 32 dismissal....

That would still be an improvement for them from last year

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Round of 32? They'd have to beat UMBC to get there.

Without him, we are mediocre at best and not a threat to make a post season run.

I disagree. We are certainly not a great team or a real championship threat (barring upsets), but we can definitely make some noise. They've figured out how to run the offense without JRob, and would have beaten UVA had we not shot 11% from three. I can't think of one team who would want to face us in the tournament with or without Five.

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Officially out vs FSU

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