Halfwits and Wagers: Baby Not Back

Pierson's back after a week on the road, but the Canes...well, we'll have to wait and see.

Here we are. After six months of articles asking the same age old question — Is Miami Back? — the Hokies finally have their shot at providing an answer for the national media and the few people in South Florida that care.

The Hokies may be favored in Vegas, but most people can't help themselves but to talk about Miami. Like the real life occurrence, the Canes capture people's attention. That's fine. Sage-like 18th Century author Christopher Bullock foresaw this frustration, noting, "Tis impossible to be sure of anything but Death and Taxes and Da U Not Being Back."

On to the (fake) lines!

Over/Under 3.5 times the announcing crew discusses whether or not Miami is back during the first half?

Brian: Want to hear an unpopular opinion? I'm taking the under.

The U beat Florida State and Georgia Tech — a traditional ACC power and one of the best teams in the Coastal — in dramatic, last second fashion. In back-to-back weeks. On nationally televised 3:30 games on ABC/ESPN. If that had happened any time during the Jacory Harris era, the Worldwide Leader would be walking around for months with #DAUISBACK boners. Because remember, they've been back before:

2009: The Hurricanes beat ranked FSU and GT squads to start the year, and shot up from unranked in Week 1 all the way up to #9 by Week 3. Randy Shannon had The U back for exactly one week, before getting smacked 31-7 in Blacksburg.

2010: Harris and Shannon had Miami at 5-2 with both losses coming to top-25 teams. They were back! And proceeded to lose four of the final six.

2013: After two straight mediocre years, Al Golden had Coral Gables on the map. They started 7-0 (sound familiar?), and found themselves in the top-10. They then proceeded to embarrass themselves on national television by losing to #2 Florida State 41-14, and followed that up with losses to the Hokies (again) and Duke (embarrassing). They ended the year an unranked 9-4.

2016: Golden got canned, and the prodigal son Mark Richt returned home to coach. The Canes won their first four, and were ranked once again in the top-10. After that brief appearance, they lost four in a row (to FSU, UNC, Virginia Tech, and an awful Notre Dame team) and again finished an unranked 9-4.

But now, after winning seven straight to open Richt's second campaign, it seems like everyone's starting to learn their lessons. In years prior, pollsters and pundits have been too excited to vault Miami higher than they probably deserved. If a 7-0 start happened in 2009, they'd be a top-four team for sure. But now there's skepticism. Now we're still all waiting for them to prove it, and I think Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit will be hesitant to bring it up.

Pierson: Under. The Canes have started the season 7-0, but they've yet to beat — let alone play — a top-25 team. Plus it's not like this team is blowing opponents out of the water. The Canes have won their last four games by less than a touchdown. And while they are +93 in scoring margin for the season, that number is reduced to +43 against Power 5 teams. By comparison, the Hokies are +191 on the year and +79 against P5 teams. Those figures look really sexy when you're sporting the #2 scoring defense in the country.

As Brian mentioned, the question of whether or not Miami is "back" has been so overplayed (and repeatedly dismissed) that everyone is tired of it. How about this: Wait until the Hurricanes actually accomplish something before even broaching the subject. Sound good?

Who finishes with more rushing yards: Miami RB Travis Homer or Travon McMillian and Deshawn McClease (combined)?

Brian: I think this line is less about Homer and the pair of Hokies than it is about the defenses. Tech gives up 111 yards per game on the ground, good for 13th best in the country. Miami is below average, sitting 83rd at 180 rushing yards an outing. Coincidentally, the Hokie offense also averages exactly 180 yards on the ground.

So do we really think Homer will be such a big outlier against Bud Foster's defense that he'll outpace the entire Tech rushing attack? I don't buy it. Give me McMillian and McClease, and the 4-8 defense making things tough for Homer and the Hurricane offense.

Pierson: Since starting tailback Mark Walton went down for the season with an ankle injury, Travis Homer is averaging just over 100 yards per game. However, that stat line is a bit misleading. In his first start against Georgia Tech, Homer ran for 170 yards on 20 carries. He followed that up with 95 yards against Syracuse and then a comparatively paltry 40 yards last week against UNC. So which Homer can the Hokies expect to face on Saturday night? 40 yards against the 108th ranked rush defense is eye opening, to say the least.

As for the Mac Attack — or maybe it's the Mc Attck? — the two combined for 104 yards last week and form a complementary pair. The tailbacks are averaging 4.64 and 4.42 yards per carry, respectively, which is considerably lower than Homer's 6.32 ypc. As much as we'd love to point to the Tech duo's combined 25 carries against the Blue Devils, we all know not to look for consistency from the Tech staff. A questionable Steven Peoples could carry the ball 20 times against the Canes and we'd all just shrug our shoulders and toss it up to gamesmanship.

I'll be a non-homer and take Homer.

Brian: The nickname should be Run TMC/DMC. I hope this is settled for future generations.

Over/Under 19.5 completions for Miami QB Malik Rosier?

Brian: Want to hear something crazy? The Hokie defense has given up 102 completions all year. That amounts to just under 13 a game, which is especially crazy considering Will Grier nearly tripled that in Week 1.

Rosier is going to throw. It's something we've seen from Miami all year. When things get tight, Richt is going to put the ball in his quarterback's hands and have him make a play. He did it against FSU (44 attempts), Georgia Tech (37), Syracuse (43), and UNC (38). In case you were wondering, those are also their last four games.

Rosier's completions in those games? In order: 19, 23, 26, and 16 (a startling 52% success rate). I'll put my faith (and fake money) behind Adonis Alexander, Brandon Facyson, and Greg Stroman and take the under.

Pierson: Brian's absolutely right: Expect Rosier to throw the ball a ton. Without Walton, the running game consists of Rosier, Homer and the homeless dudes security lets into Hard Rock Stadium to fill seats.

Miami's offensive line hasn't been particularly stellar this season. They're allowing close to 5 TFL and 1.86 sacks per game (#12 and #39, respectively), so if the Hokies front seven continues wreaking havoc up front, it should go a long way towards making Rosier that much more one dimensional.

Rosier's rushing ability will no doubt allow him to make plays, but his inconsistency throwing the football keeps him from being truly terrifying. If anything, it's more the spectre of his potential than a proven track record that makes you nervous. Rosier's 52.7% completion percentage against Power 5 teams (#81) looks even juicier when you consider the Virginia Tech defense is surrendering a measly 44.9% on the year.

West Virginia (Will Grier) is the only team to complete more than 14 passes against the Tech defense. Rosier is arguably better than anyone else the Hokies' other seven opponents can field at QB, but he doesn't come close to Grier's talents. The Hokies defense is rolling right now. I'll take the under.

Which number is higher: Total punt return yards by Miami or total rushing yards by Coleman Fox?

Brian: The hidden yardage provided by Oscar Bradburn and the rest of the punt team has been invaluable, especially for a team whose offense struggles to score at times. Through eight games, Tech has only given up four yards on four punt returns, good for fourth best in the nation. But Bradburn will have his hands full with Braxton Berrios, a 5'9" burner who averages 16 yards per punt return. He's incredibly dangerous, and I'm sure James Shibest has stressed as much in practice this week.

While we're here, can we talk about what the deal is with Fox? He plays well in garbage time in September, earning him a little bit of action against Clemson. For some reason, that earned him time late in the third quarter against Boston College. He had five straight carries inside the red zone, couldn't score, and we never saw him again.

He didn't get in until mop-up time against UNC, but then plays the second series of the second half against Duke. After a five-play drive, he didn't see the field. I'm not advocating Fox getting more carries (there's no way you can convince me that he's better than any of the four guys ahead of him). I'm also not against it (at this point, the run game is basically a giant shrug emoji anyway). But why do it with such sporadic timing?

Why take a series away from McMillian or McClease, especially if Fox won't play again? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Either play him, or don't. Don't waffle between decisions. I also don't think he plays against Miami, so I'll take Berrios and the Hurricane punt return unit.

Pierson: Miami's Braxton Berrios has proven throughout his career to be a dangerous player with the ball in his hands. In 2017, he's made the most of his chances returning punts, averaging more than 16 yards per return on only 9 chances. Oscar Bradburn and the rest of the Tech punting unit have been stellar this season in coverage. Something's got to give.

Ultimately this line comes down to whether or not Coleman Fox gets some run against the Canes. In a game that showcases two talented defensive fronts, Berrios is likely to get a couple of cracks at a return or two. Fox, on the other hand, may not even see the field. With Steven Peoples' inclusion on the injury report, Fox's chances increase slightly. Yet he still finds himself behind the Mc Attck and Jalen Holston on the ol' depth chart. These two defenses are too good for this game to result in a blowout, limiting Fox's chances at some garbage time backdoor cover yardage. I'll take Miami's punt return unit.

Which team finishes with more yards of total offense?

Brian: Dude, who knows. I have absolutely zero handle on how well the Hokie offense will play on Saturday. You want to know something surprising, though? Tech has the 32nd best offense in the country, from a total yards per game perspective. Jackson and company average 446.5 yards a game, while Rosier's Hurricanes average 465.6. Not nearly as much of a discrepancy as I thought there'd be.

I want to take the Hokies, again because I trust the lunchpail defense more than any other unit in the game. I really don't feel great about it, though. I know French has talked about the young Miami linebackers that can frequently play themselves out of position, but can Jackson take advantage of it? I'm unsure.

Pierson: Statistically, these two teams get similar production from their offenses but do have their differences. Josh Jackson has been considerably more efficient than his Miami counterpart, while the Canes running game has been more effective on a per carry basis than the Hokies (close to 1.5 yards more per tote).

As I talk about below, the two defenses are the key here and the Hokies have the edge. The secondary has been stingy since the season opener and the unit has really battened down the hatches in the red zone. Since surrendering 592 yards in their win over WVU, Tech is ceding a ridiculous 240.6 yards per game. Sure, the competition has been subpar — with the exception of FCS Delaware, the other six teams have a combined average rank of #85 in total offense, with four teams ranked 95th or worse — but even bad offenses can manage the occasional chunk play and/or rack up garbage time yards.

Where the Hokies have really excelled since the opener is controlling the football and getting off the field. Opposing offenses are converting a mere 24% on third down (#3 in the country), while the Canes are conceding 40% of the time (#71). Opponents are running 69 plays per game against the Canes, while Tech's foes are managing 64.5 (61 since the opener). Furthermore, Tech's defense has surrendered nearly 1,000 less yards than Miami despite having played an additional game. All but one of Miami's opponents has racked up 400 or more yards against them, while 5 of Virginia Tech's 8 opponents have been held below 300 yards and only WVU has topped BC's 344 yards.

Gimme the Hokies.

Matchup Over/Under: 50

Brian: Over, and I didn't think twice about it. This game will go one of two ways:

  1. Either Fuente and Cornelsen have schemed a great plan for Tech to take advantage of the Miami aggressiveness, and pop multiple big plays. Remember, last year both McMillian and Jerod Evans were able to break off chunk plays on the ground, and Sam Rogers broke loose for a 52-yard gainer off a well-designed play action pass. Or,
  2. Both defenses play really well, and each give their offenses enough chances to score with advantageous short fields.

Either way, give me the over.

Pierson: This is one of those games that sucks you into the under because you see how high each defense is ranked in the major categories.

  • Scoring Defense: Virginia Tech (#2); Miami (#20)
  • Passing Defense: Virginia Tech (#14); Miami (#35)
  • Total Defense: Virginia Tech (#39); Miami (#52)
  • Sacks: Miami (#17); Virginia Tech (#37)
  • Tackles for Loss: Virginia Tech (#11); Miami (#13)
  • Turnover Margin: Miami (#6); Virginia Tech (#19)

I omitted the rushing defense stat out of fairness, since Miami has played Georgia Tech and the Hokies haven't. What can I say? I'm a nice guy.

You say to yourself, "I don't feel particularly confident in either offense, but boy do I know that these defenses are for real. How can I not take the under?" That may or may not have been what went through my head a few moments ago. I'm going to be horribly wrong here, but screw it, I'll take the under.

Spread: Virginia Tech (-2.5)

Brian: It makes me incredibly uncomfortable how comfortable everyone is about this game. I know their ranking doesn't mean much, but Miami is still currently the ninth best team in the country. And not only are fans not worried, but apparently Vegas isn't either, making The U a home underdog. I hate it.

I won't bet it. I refuse. I know that the Hokies have been on a bit of a heater since the Clemson game, but they haven't played anyone close to the ability of Miami. And yes, Rosier hasn't played super well against good defenses, but he's still come through when needed most.

And no, Hard Rock Stadium isn't exactly a fearsome place to play, but this is the most important game of the year for both teams. It's basically the Coastal Division championship, and if either group rolls into Charlotte without losing, they'll have national aspirations. This isn't a game you want to have on the road, no matter where you're playing. The more I think about it, the more a bad feeling just creeps into my stomach.

I have no reason behind it, the Tech defense should be the best unit on the field. Jackson's aversion to turnovers keeps the Hokies alive even when they're not moving the ball. The special teams (outside of the field goal team) have been superb. But why do we think that this won't be another stupid win in a season full of stupid wins for Miami? I can't give a reason other than my gut instinct, but I just really don't feel great about this game.

I'll take Miami to win, 28-25.

Pierson: Backstreet's back. Shady's back (tell your friends). Guess who's not back? Da U.

Miami is enjoying a fresh taste of success despite eeking out four consecutive wins by less than a touchdown. The Hokies, on the other hand, are cruising into Joe Robbie Stadium Pro Player Park Pro Player Stadium Dolphins Stadium Dolphin Stadium Land Shark Stadium Dolphin Stadium (again) Sun Life Stadium Hard Rock Stadium having outscored their last three ACC opponents 106-20. Miami may be undefeated, but Virginia Tech feels like they have the momentum. This Hokies team is on a mission to avenge their lone loss to Clemson in the ACC Championship Game (*provided the Tigers cooperate).

In other words, the Hokies are Jack Parkman and the Canes are Rube Baker.

Give me the Hokies (-2.5). Let's Gooooooooooooo!

Disclaimer: Some of these are real betting lines, but many of them are fake and none of this is real advice that should be taken seriously.


Since this is the first time we've played Miami since they've been bak, can we expect a new FoeRensics?

If the good guys have a comfortable lead (24 or dare I say 31-7), part of it will likely be due to punting efficiency, and I would expect a lot of Coleman Fox in the 4th. If.


-What we do is, if we need that extra push, you know what we do? -Put it up to fully dipped? -Fully dipped. Exactly. It's dork magic.

Why haven't we had a FoeRensics in what feels like forever? Please forgive me in advance if that's a dumb question.

They only do FoeRensics whenever we play someone for the first time or in an otherwise very long time as an introduction to the opposing team.

Given our scheduling with ODU and ECU, we won't have many opportunities for that in the near future.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Thanks for the clarification! I assumed it was something like this. It totally makes sense, but man do I miss them!

TheFifth has not yet returned from his latest journey, unearthing mythical stories and legends about opposing football teams. He faces many dangerous obstacles and foes, but he will return one day with tales that only the wisest could tell.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

when the hell did you get your TKP flare?

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I was graced with that earlier this week. Only 14 more to go.

Now, Cole, when you shift the gear and that little needle on the tach goes into the red and reads 9000 RPMs, that's bad!

I'll take Miami to win, 28-25

Dammit, Brian

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Stats aside, emotions will be high. This is our big test. I'm going the O-line can 'direct Miami's rush and create running or passing lanes. I'd so, everything else will fall into place for a comfortable win. GO HOKIES

My thoughts...


Do Miami "fans" even know who Ibis is?

Well let me correct you. Ibis is a type of bird. Sebastian their mascot is an Ibis.

I don't think they actually know Sebastian is an Ibis though.


I'm not feeling great either. Hopefully I'm wrong but I'm feeling a really close game and the winner will be decided by one or two plays. If we play conservatively and still make a mistake or two, we'll lose (see Clemson game). If we play balls out with some confidence and limit the mistakes, I think we can pull this one off.

I'm not convinced of Miami's ranking. But then again I'm not convinced of ours either. One team will earn the ranking Saturday. Hope it's the good guys!

I am so confident we are going to destroy Miami. I honestly feel bad for the Miami fans already.


Such confidence, we should all have!

I honestly feel bad for the Miami fans already.

Well, don't.

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MacAttack or McAttack? I've always thought it was a McBackfield.

What about Mc^2?

1-0 every week

T-Mac + D-Mac = TD-Mac

"Don't go to, go through"

I have little girls and Project MC^2 has a completely different association. This ^^^^ suggestion is unacceptable!

Both ESPN bloggers picked against us. Motivation. Can't wait to see what they come up with when we destroy them.


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Go Hokies!

That game is one of my favorite Lane Stadium experiences. Leg for you.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

I wouldn't be surprised if Miami has more yards of total offense than we do. Between turnovers and Punt efficiency, I think they'll have much longer to go each drive than we do. I say we get a lot more points per yard than they do and win by at least a TD.

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*reads article*
*proceeds to blast Without Me on youtube*

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Without Walton, the running game consists of Rosier, Homer and the homeless dudes security lets into Hard Rock Stadium to fill seats.

You got a solid chuckle out of me on that one

Do I think we will win, Yes. Am I confident we will win, No. Do I loathe losing to Miami and feeding into their "Bakness", more than anything else.

Honestly, there is a lot less media driven Miami hype as some are making it out to be. Also most Miami fans I've interacted with are pretty down on their team in regards to the next couple games. This team certainly doesn't have the arrogant "bak" attitude that past iterations have had prior to collapsing.

Agree. Just this morning, Greg McElroy and Taylor Zarzour on Sirius 84 both picked the Hokies in this game. Unfortunately, Zarzour added that Miami would *still* represent the Coastal in the ACCCG, predicting VT to lose at GT following this big win.

One of my best buddies here in Nashville is a Miami fan (he was a scholly swimmer at the U). We've been trading texts and he's preparing himself for a Hokie win.

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

Wait, if we beat Miami and lose to GT how would Miami be the Coastal representative? We'd both be 1 Divisional loss with the good guys H2H edge?

We would have 2 conference losses to their 1. The Clemson loss still counts regardless of division.

"We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior" Stephen M.R. Covey

“When life knocks you down plan to land on your back, because if you can look up, you can get up, if you fall flat on your face it can kill your spirit” David Wilson

Oh that makes sense then.


Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

Over/Under 3.5 times the announcing crew discusses whether or not Miami is back during the first half? - Outright discussing it? Under. Offhand mentioning it in a "if they want to consider the program back in the national scene they need to....." way, over.... Way, way over.

Who finishes with more rushing yards: Miami RB Travis Homer or Travon McMillian and Deshawn McClease (combined)? - Even factoring in Miami having played against GT, the Canes are susceptible to the run this year. UNC ran for 176 against them. Duke ran for 183. Syracuse ran it for 264. We hit em early and often with the run game before breaking them with the passing.

Over/Under 19.5 completions for Miami QB Malik Rosier? - Over, because I think they'll try and screen pattern us to death at certain points. There won't be enough time for long developing plays against our DL, and we are tough against the run. They might not have a choice in the matter here.

Which number is higher: Total punt return yards by Miami or total rushing yards by Coleman Fox? - Rushing yards by Fox, and take it to the bank. 4 punt returns for 4 yards against Bradburn on the season. Of those 4 returns 2 of them went for negative yards. Against our 2 ranked opponents, we have had 1 return combined for -3 total yards. Hell, Fox might get this without even taking the field.

Which team finishes with more yards of total offense? - I'll take Miami with a late garbage time cover on this one while we go safe to preserve the lead.

Matchup Over/Under: 50 - Give me the over here. This has the feel of a 33-20 kind of game, where the Hokies keep it just far enough out of reach that Miami isn't really in it. Then again, the way Miami has been playing, they're ripe for the bottom to fall out, so who knows.

Spread: Virginia Tech (-2.5) - Most places have the line moving back in Miami's favor, so it looks like the late bets might be trending toward the Canes, but give me the Hokies in this one. Miami just doesn't pass the eye test this year, and outside of that Clemson game, VT has been putting the hammer down on everyone this year. I suspect this one could be close early, but it should grow to a bit of a comfortable win by the end. VT is better than their ranking, Miami is much worse than theirs.

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

With our offense misfiring at times, I am not sure we are better than our rankings. But I do think Miami is worse than theirs. Therefore Hokies win.

Gotta say I'm surprised the line has tightened up to VT (-1). I chock that up to people betting on name recognition, home field advantage, and Miami's W-L record.

Also, this is probably a bad thing, but I like it when we're not favored or when the line is this close. Then I can bet on Tech without having to worry about being disappointed by not winning by enough (looking at you, BC game). Of course, now that I say that, We'll probably eek out a 1 point win and I won't win anything.

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Boavada still has us a -2. I'm going to wait it out and see if it slides to -1 before I decide to put anything on it.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

And now it's at -1, and away. we. go!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

You've managed to add to my already high hype levels by picturing Fox beating their punt return yards with a 0. I can definitely see their boy getting cocky and backtracking to find some room but getting stopped on the way.

"I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is. I'm getting a little tired hearing about other programs and I'm ready to start hearing about ours." - Justin Fuente

If he completely loses his mind and fields a punt inside the 15, reverses field, and gets drilled for a safety, that'd be so satisfying.

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drilled for a safety Fumble in the end zone recovered by tech


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Safety, free kick return for a TD.

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I've watched at least part of every game they've played this year, save the first, and all of the last four. If we don't turn the ball over, we'll win by 13-17 points. If we get fumblitis or JJ throws more than 1 int, all bets are off. That said, I'd predict 31-14

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Have no fear good people of TKP! I simulate every matchup on NCAA 14 on PS3 the week of the game (Heisman difficulty of course) using the current year's roster. Hokies, 14-11. Receiving TD for Savoy, Rushing TD for McMillian, and 1 INT for JJ on an ill-advised back corner fade into double coverage. Luckily JJ is a much better quarterback than I am.

I did one too but I simulated it and got Tech winning 34-13 with JJ having 282 passing yards and 3 passing touchdowns and A defensive touchdown by Tim Settle and Joey Slye going 2/3 for field goals

I feed off of nightmares

Miami hasn't played anybody....and neither have we....but we have destroyed everyone we played (minus Clemson and WVU). None of those games were ever in doubt and for most of them we straight embarrassed the other team. I think we went super conservative once we went by two scores against duke due to the weather. We played to protect that lead and the ball rather than crush them in sloppy conditions.

Miami has played all teams close, minus an FCS team or so. They should have lost to FSU, probably should have lost to GT, should have lost to UNC and definitely could have lost to Syracuse. Syracuse had 4 int's and Miami didn't close that one out until 2 min left in the 4th.

As stated I think it's more about what our defense can do v what theirs can do. If we can manage what we normally do on offense we'll be fine. If we can't move the ball it will be close but I think our defense can get the stops needed to get the win.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I'll take Miami to win, 28-25.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I got 21-20 Tech, but at the same time I'm right where Brian is, I mentioned it in another thread, just feel like between Vegas and the fans looking at Miami's score-lines throughout the season has people feeling a little too confident. They have some great athletes over there, and they are going to test our defense for sure, not to mention they have the "home crowd" factor going for them (even if it is HRC stadium, or whatever); I'm just throwing a score out there, I have little to no reason to be confident, I think this game and GT are going to determine whether Tech is BAK.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Over/under on 50 total points? I'll take the under. I don't think VT will score more than 45-49 pts. :-).

Miami now at -1.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Make that Miami -2.5. Pretty volatile - haven't heard any big news that would cause a 5-pt swing in 2 days. Anyone? Who's hurt?

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Nijman is still dinged, but everyone knew that already.

“I remember Lee Corso's car didn't get out of the parking lot.” -cFB
TKPC #666 ...man that was long wait...