Virginia Tech DT Depth Takes a Blow, 2018 Signee Cam Goode Granted Release

The Hokies' rollercoaster offseason takes another unexpected turn.

Virginia Tech announced Tuesday defensive tackle Cam Goode was granted a full release.

"Cam Goode has determined that he would like to continue his academic and athletic career at another institution," head coach Justin Fuente said via a release. "We have released Cam from his scholarship with no restrictions and wish him the best going forward."

However, shortly after the announcement, Goode indicated it was not a mutual parting.

The 6-0, 331 pound St. John's College HS defensive tackle product committed to Tech last June and signed with the Hokies as a member of the 2018 recruiting class. D-line coach Charley Wiles noted in April, Goode might catapult into the mix for serious playing time as a freshman as long as he kept his weight in check.

"We're certainly going to give Cam Goode a great look," DL coach said in April. "I've talked to him, and he knows to come in in shape and come in and give yourself a chance because he could move up the depth chart, too."

Because Goode gracious, the Hokies' options at defensive tackle, or lack thereof, is perilous. Remember, Tech strives to rotate 4 defensive tackles. Ricky Walker and Vinny Mihota are proven talents. Walker is arguably one of the best DTs in the ACC and Mihota has 36 games under his belt (though most of those snaps were at DE). It's the discussion beyond the senior duo that gets dicey. Jarrod Hewitt and Jimmie Taylor are the most seasoned backups, but their statlines are thin. Wiles mentioned Xavier Burke as the projected fourth man in the rotation after a productive spring. After that though, the depth chart is foggy and unproven. From a glass half full perspective: 1) There's plenty of opportunity for playing time, and 2) Goode's departure now means Tech has an open scholarship to allocate to its 2019 class (which is very tight on numbers).

Even with the depth chart as it stood, and the possibility that blue-chip DT Tim Settle may opt for the NFL, Virginia Tech signed one defensive tackle in 2018 — Goode. (Joe Kane didn't even have time eat a Sub Station II sandwich before he was moved to center.) In the previous cycle, Tech signed DT J'Bril Glaze and tweener Robert Porcher IV. Glaze announced a transfer in April. That's a roster management strategy that's not able to sustain uncertainty (transfers, busts, injuries) or successes (early draft departures).

This cycle Tech has commitments from two DT prospects, Norell Pollard and Mario Kendricks, and is in hot pursuit of a third Sunshine State product — Brandon Dorlus (who recently visited Tech). With that said, it's wishful thinking for any freshman to come in ready to meaningfully contribute. Though, Virginia Tech hopes that's not the case.

(Post was updated to include Goode's Tweet.)

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And the off-season from hell continues

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

2004 laughs at your silly offseason.

As does 1995.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

well neither of those occurred when I paid attention during the offseason. In fact, in 1995 I was 4 years old and had no concept of Virginia Tech, or football. So.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

1995 is when I graduated the first time, albeit late. So I was here.

*sigh*

(something something whippersnappers)

Edit:

I...had no concept of Virginia Tech, or football.

How sad. =_^(

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

And I was at the Sugar Bowl that year 20 years after graduation wearing a beard that I'd been wearing for 23 years at that point. Still haven't shaved it off since. Fun Facts, huh?

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I'm assuming you aren't the guy on the right.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Irony - A man with the last name Beard is the only member of a group without a beard.

Well, he didn't need to grow a beard because he already was a Beard.

Reminds me of a guy I knew who enlisted in the Navy. He went to UDT (Seal Training), but also happened to have a last name that is a homophone of seal. I always imagined how interesting training could have been for him:

Instructor (screaming): "DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A SEAL?"
Friend: "Hell, my sister's a [seal], sir."

I am easily amused, BTW.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

This offseason must end.

Because Goode gracious, the Hokies' options at defensive tackle,

I see what you did there.

Seems extreme.

That's all.

But if there was a difference of opinion on level of commitment to conditioning, this was the right move for all concerned.

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Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Sounds like he didn't want to leave...

Gainsville, Fla.?

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Per his request, Virginia Tech has released true freshman defensive tackle Cam Goode from his scholarship.

I mean, if it's per his request, it's his decision. They may have said "If you stay, this is how it's going to be", but it seems like it's his choice.


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Don't know what to do with that information but it is interesting

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Even his Twitter handle sounds out of shape.

Leonard. Duh.

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This is sub-optimal

Would be better not to burn bridges, but clearly, there was a significant difference of opinion with Goode.

Edit: wrong thread

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Help me out. What does this tweet mean?

Just a former player from Cam's high school saying our coaches shouldn't be allowed to step foot on their campus again. The guy doesn't play there anymore, so his thoughts don't hold much weight.

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The guy doesn't play there anymore 16 year old kid, so his thoughts don't hold much weight.

Well he is actually a Fr at Western Mich.

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who if VT offered would most likely sign today.

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He is a senior at Western Michigan...he is 21.
He was class of 15 in high school.

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Edit: me and VTFG going back and forthsies with the double posts today

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So, we better put someone on that.

Seems to me that you don't need to burn that bridge just because Cam didn't work out. Will require some finesse, but it's worth having adult conversations about it.

Can we please leave tweets where "fans" trash amateur student athletes on Twitter? We really don't need to go there.

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Never mind wrong guy.

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I'll take your word for it but I checked the profile and skimmed some tweets and see no indication that he has a closer affiliation with the program. Frankly I'd classify more than a few of the tweets from that account as embarrassing to the VT community but I won't comment on that as it would quickly cross the community guidelines.

Regardless even if it is another player's parent, I don't think it's their place to comment on Goode's (or any other player's) situation unless it directly involves their own child. Fuente handled it as he saw fit. Fans, parents, and everyone else should refrain from publicly making demeaning comments.

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Nope had the wrong guy. Have a leg my bad.

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This comment should be taken with a massive grain of salt considering I/we don't have the full story necessarily, but I would find it hard to believe that the opinion of a 21 y/o senior at a G5 program and an 18 y/o freshman is indicative and/or influential over our future recruiting success at a HS. If you don't come ready for work, move on. Offer the next kid up who's going to be hungry to grab that lunch pail.

The issue is that Cam is definitely making rounds in sharing his side of the story in the DC Metro area. So while no one should take it worth a grain of salt, the more people share how he was wronged the worse it will be for VT in many eyes.

I know Fu doesn't like to share, but I think he should consider putting something out there to help stem some of this. Perception right now seems to be on his side in this area, with even what some may consider local celebrities reaching out to the kid and showing support.

I don't worry about this. I think he'll share with the people that need to know (i.e. coaches) when asked about it. They would be the type to understand when a player just won't buy into the program.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Don't lose sleep over it. Cam Phillips came out of DeMatha which is so close you can literally throw a stone from MD to DC. One Cam is in the NFL at the moment.

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I think he should consider putting something out there to help stem some of this

I'm sorry but this is a terrible idea. Nothing positive will ever come from a head coach publicly and officially disparaging the work ethic (or whatever else this was about) of someone that just graduated from high school simply to save some face. As was mentioned before, if a high school coach needs to be convinced Fuente did the right thing, that can be done privately behind closed doors.

Yeah, the correct response to this is to make sure that the coaches at Cam's school know VT's perspective on this, but not to get involved in a twitter war or to try and disparage the student athlete.

It's not personal. It's strictly business.

Twitter is a good source for sound bites and snippet, not to be taken as the full story, but this is obvious to this audience. Unfortunately, other kids will listen to Cam's comments a the 'truth'; just the nature of that audience. I agree with Vtkey:

make sure that the coaches at Cam's school know VT's perspective on this, but not to get involved in a twitter

I would love to know the impartial explanation of what happened.

Twitter is evil. Nothing I have read or heard about it since its birth has caused me to think otherwise.

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Not even when Quin Blanding was @??

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Twitter was the main tool used for communication when Libyan rebels mobilized to overthrow their oppressive dictator. It's been used at a platform to spread the word for several charities, such as the Ice Bucket Challenge, which raised an estimated $115 Million for ALS research in 2014. In a more trivial matter, it has provided a vehicle for improved customer service for a lot of large businesses.

Twitter is a tool. Just like a hammer, knife, car, etc it can be very useful, or very destructive.

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Since you mention hammer:
it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail
My problem with Twitter is that people feel compelled to use it. Sometimes it's better to just step back and not engage. Posting because you can is just dangerous.

Giving a voice to everyone is nice. But not everyone knows how to use it.

Not everyone who is on Twitter feels compelled to use it, but one wouldn't know they're there since they never post anything. I hardly ever post on Twitter because I'm more interested in reading what other people have to say that blasting my drivel into the void just to have some stranger come back to call me an asshole for it.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

just to have some stranger come back to call me an asshole for it.

And I'm just shooting the shit here

Like I said, just shitting around. Also, couldn't find a gif of Danny Devito shouting "hey asshole" from the Goldmember movie.

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LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS BUTTS AND POO

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yeah, I know the old "Twitter is just a tool" thing. So you're saying Libyan rebels wouldn't have succeeded without Twitter? The charities wouldn't have raised money without Twitter? Business cannot provide service without Twitter? What a world we must live in now, huh? What in the hell did we do before 2009? Nuclear weapons are just tools, but like dynamite and nitroglycerine, tanks and battleships, we don't just give one to any and every nutcase and dimwit and expect them to use those things properly and for the common good, do we?
Certainly, as usual, I engage in some hyperbole in my post, but my disgust with social media is perhaps too well established to treat it as casually, or with such devotion as some folks do these days. Don't worry, though, my ilk will be gone on away from here soon enough and you all can get out the brooms it's gonna take to clean up what to me is a big-assed mess. I take no pride in being a technophobe, but I'm starting to take some solace from it.

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I hear ya, brother.

I'm pretty appalled by the deleterious effects social media in general has had on the psyche of our youth.

Kids crave peer approval. But being constantly in the judgmental spotlight that can shine with terrible intensity based on one poorly worded or ill-thought set of 140 characters is extreme.

I just can't imagine having to take all the baggage from high school home with you, all through the night, and the weekends, and the vacations. I think all humans, and kids in particular, need the time to detach from the crunch of all that, so that their minds can have the buffer to decompress and regain the perspective of things that are probably more important than whether Janey or Joey liked or disliked the way they looked that day.

The charities wouldn't have raised money without Twitter?

I am a technology skeptic myself and find myself moving further to that end of the spectrum, but I have to concede that no, those charities would not have raised anywhere close to that amount of money without social media.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

As Poppa Joe Root used to tell his wife whenever they disagreed..."You could be right". And I do get your point, it just doesn't tip the scales for me because I know people who want to help will help with or without Twitter.

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Well, and social media is bigger than just Twitter.

I know, but Twitter and maybe Mayonnaise is about all I can muster ire over today. I know the horse is already out of the barn, though. Sigh.

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I don't blame the cloud. I'm just old and I asked for it.

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To be fair, us fishermen do actually curse and yell at clouds.

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Comments like this make me kind of wish our twitter account was handled by the Wendy's social media team...

For Reference:

Wendy's Tweets

Yeah, Wendy's would pull something like: "If only Cam Goode had stepped foot *in* the weight room, he might still be here. #boom"

On second thought, maybe not such a good idea.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I was more or less referring to the tweet above, something like:

I haven't seen many good uses of Twitter, but that's pretty good.

Wendy's Twitter account is literally the best advertising they have.

Same for Sonic the Hedgehog.

Wendy's dropped a rap mixtape on Spotify, I'm not joking in the slightest bit.

It would have been better if they hadn't stolen the idea from Hamburger Helper's mixtape on soundcloud, which isn't terrible!

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Not so funny meow.

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I mean it's pretty obvious Fuente through Hilgart values fitness and stamina in his guys.

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Related to Cam in some way, to me it shows that he didn't understand why he was running so much. Running is for skill players not DL in his view.

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Running is for skill all players not DL.

Fixed that for you

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No that's Cam's perception about running.

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I guess they never saw the 335 lb penguin chase Pickett (Pitt) 11 yards deep from the left hash mark to the right sideline last year.

Right, because all DTs are the same. This is horrible logic. Settle came in big, worked on the conditioning, and played more and more. Likely because he bought in, even if it didn't happen instantly.

Before everyone freaks out lets always remember theres two sides to every story and we know very little on why it happened wish the best for the kid regardless and hopefully we can find a way to bring some beef for the defensive line in now

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Trust me I know ive been here for years just saying though its the offseason lets not over value this. Its been a shit offseason no doubt but being this kid was on defence I have absolute trust in fosters judgement and we wont ever know why this has happened and im not a huge fan of the over assumption that happens sometimes but then again thats why I stay to the other OT thread during the offseason unless i see someone say pies better than cake, which we all know it isnt.

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I 100% agree with you on all points. But we both know it's not going to happen.

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Where's the beef?

VHokie

Hopefully Hewitt, Burke, and someone else can get meaningful reps this year so the loss of Walker/Mihota won't be too great.

Kendricks looks like the only guy so far that could crack the two-deep with his size and twitch but I honestly think unless we can grab another stud DT in this class, we are going to have to search the JUCO/Grad Transfer market to find a stop-gap until we get more DT talent. Which is a shame considering the rest of the team is going to be REALLY good next year.

100% agree but 2020 is a long way away. These coaches know what they are doing

Not 2020, 2019 is the big issue. As French and others have pointed too, we have identified fast, twitchy DT for our system but haven't been able to land them. Frustrating but as Fuente says, all recruits want early PT and that's what they will get at DT if they play decent.

my speculation is that he came in out of shape; they pushed him a little and he caved...you don't work..you can't play....in the end it was probably mutual...

Off season please end

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....in the end it was probably mutual...

narrator:

It wasn't mutual sir.— Cam Goode ™ (@CamBamBiggalo) July 31, 2018

he didn't like the food

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I know.

He loved it

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Well, as per the article "he asked for his release", then the decision was we wanted him, and wanted him to actually work out and he didn't want to.

Wait-what? Explain that again??

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You mean narrator (in Ron Howard voice):

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

in my opinion if someone chooses to not put in the work then his actions are saying its mutual. someone can deny that is what they actually said but if his actions showed he wasnt taking the workouts seriously after he was told he needed to step foot on campus IN SHAPE to be immediately in the 2deep then thats what I am going off of.

That's exactly my thoughts on reading this, and looking into some other articles about it. As far as I am concerned good riddance.

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Do we have 4 linebackers? We are starting 3 new ones as it is.

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Ashby, Dax, Rivers & Hunter? Does that sound okay?

Fugazy

So now we just have to have the entire defense forget everything they've been taught and learn how to play 2 gap in less than a month....

It does sound pretty hoo-ish when you put it that way...

There is a better chance of me giving birth to a flaming porcupine while shooting rainbows out of my nipples. A 3-4 isn't just a change in alignment. It is the adoption of completely different techniques which VT is ill suited to adopt, especially looking at current personnel.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

It's comments like this where I wish I was better at Photoshop.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Thanks French!
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I may have to save that comment for future use. It is oddly specific but completely RAF.

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That's a plaid comment if I ever saw one.

There is a better chance of me giving birth to a flaming porcupine while shooting rainbows out of my nipples.

If this comment doesn't go plaid solely for this portion, I give up on all of you.

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

You can say that again.

Damnit, twice in the same day...

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

There is a better chance of me giving birth to a flaming porcupine while shooting rainbows out of my nipples.

If this comment doesn't go paid solely for this portion, I give up on all of you.

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"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

HATE IT. It got Al Golden fired with top defensive talent

I don't trust this because it's in colors similar to WVU.

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A 3-4 requires MORE DT's, not less.

Shit balls

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goode-ness gracious

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I'm trying to look at this situation rationally, but I'm starting to wonder if this wasn't another knee-jerk reaction from our staff that might end up reflecting poorly. I understand these workouts are tough and demanding, but he was a freshman after all. If he comes in out of shape and is struggling with workouts, make it clear he will redshirt and not have an opportunity to contribute this season. If it continues to be a problem I can see wanting to move on, but not after 3-4 weeks. And if he lands at another P5 school right away and sticks, I've got to wonder wth went wrong here. Of course there may be more at play that no one knows about, but this is just bizarre and will make us look stupid if he finds another spot fast.

Of course there may be more at play that no one knows about, but this is just bizarre and will make us look stupid if he finds another spot fast.

FTFY. We will probably never know. I'm going to side with our coaches every time unless proven otherwise. They know who they want in the locker room and on the field.

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I agree. I'll take the recommendation of the coaches who are working with the players over the knee-jerk reaction of the fan boards.

How is this a knee-jerk reaction from the staff? Kid goes to them and tells them he doesn't want to be in Blacksburg anymore, what else are they gonna do? Force him to stay? They were gracious enough to grant a full release of his scholarship so that he could sign with any other team he chose.

From what has been stated, it may not have been him that made the decision to leave.

But it was his decision to refuse to get in shape, if that's what really happened.

but if you can read the signs and see that its not gonna work out, its better to let it go, he might hurt the team 2-3 years down the line if he is not willing to work on his shape now

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another knee-jerk reaction from our staff that might end up reflecting poorly

Sorry - to what other "poor knee-jerk reactions" are you referring? Sincere question.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Was thinking in particular of the cape situation and pulling the offer impulsively and the negativity that spawned from that.

pulling the offer impulsively

There are no facts in evidence that this is the case regarding Cam.

Lol what? Fu literally admitted he shouldn't have done it

Edit - Thought that said "Cape". For Cam you're absolutely right

wait what

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Oh lmao whoops I thought that said Cape

How do you know they impulsively pulled the offer from Cape? Didnt he tell them he wouldn't take visits and then did take a visit?
Seems premeditated.

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I was thinking the same thing...I was wondering what the "another" was referring too.

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So basically blame it on the "support staff"?

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Blame it on the fans who didn't donate enough for more of them. /s

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I did.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

You are either in or out. Not sure how this reflects badly on the staff unless I am missing A LOT.

I think a lot of people are just jumping to the conclusion that he was soft and quit on the team. Are we now letting go of someone the instant they show up out of shape or aren't performing up to expectations in workouts? He was an incoming freshman, and honestly might not have contributed much this year anyway. And if there were questions about his work ethic or ability to cut it at this level, I think our staff has had a few years of recruiting him to evaluate and find these things out before now. I don't see how these red flags just suddenly popped up in the past few weeks. If so, someone didn't do their homework.

Unless there was major discord between both parties behind the scenes that we don't know about, this situation is just bad. Not only do we suddenly cut ties with our biggest DT recruit the past two cycles out of nowhere, but it's potentially another black eye in an already uphill perception battle in recruiting. I understand the My Way or the Highway mentality, but I just hope it works and doesn't backfire.

If we were to jump to a conclusion, it shouldn't be that the coaches are idiots and didn't think it through. It seems a LOT more plausible that Cam hadn't done what the coaches expected him to do before showing up.

Whatever the issue was, it was crystal clear to both the coaches and Cam that it wasn't going to work out, and it wasn't even close.

It's unlikely that casual fans know more about it than the professional coaches who made the decision.

I agree with this; it feels like the staff gave Goode zero chances to redeem himself or learn from a mistake. And if the coaches felt that this kid just wasn't going to work out (no pun intended) under any circumstances, than that's fine; I understand the value in failing fast vs failing slow - the former is much preferable, and it's right to cut the kid asap. That said, if the situation is really as simple as Goode just didn't want to/refused do our conditioning, then our staff missed some serious red flags when recruiting, and/or failed to explain the expectation.

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How does it "feel" like the staff gave Goode zero chances to redeem himself?

Because he's a true freshmen and he was kicked off the team before fall practices even started? Either he fucked up really badly or the coaches have a short fuse, or both. I trust the coaches made the right call, but from someone watching the program from a far, it seems like this was a quick and swift decision.

I don't have a problem with the coaches' decision, but I do think its worth noting that he got significantly different treatment than Adonis, for example. And that's fine, the two players are in completely different situations, but from an outsider looking in, to see Adonis get every chance possible, and then see the true freshmen cut before he can get pads on, it makes me curious to know exactly what happened.

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Because he's a true freshmen and he was kicked off the team before fall practices even started?

How do you know that to be the case, and that he didn't quit?

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

They told him to show up in shape. That clearly didn't happen. How do you jump to the conclusion that they missed the red flags? They may have just been monitoring, and his condition/attitude at camp was the final straw.

It was obviously a pretty big miss, as they parted ways.

In a lot of ways, maybe this is the best thing for Cam, if he learns from it. It's a huge wake up call.

yes this is 100% the coaches fault.. /s

I didn't say this was the coaches fault, nor am I looking for sympathy for Goode. I'm just asking, if you are kicking a true freshman off the team before fall practice has even started, then why did you bother recruiting him in the first place?

I don't think this is an unfair question, especially given our limited staff and resources; we don't have the time and money to spend recruiting kids who we are going to cut 8 months after they sign the LOI.

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The only thing that makes sense to me is that his attitude was becoming a locker room cancer. Ultimatum quickly given, pride gets hurt and become defensive, regrettable things said, relationship over. Just speculation.

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And I agree with that, this is the most likely scenario. But my follow up question is how was this attitude issue missed during recruiting/scouting, and how do we make sure it doesn't happen again? It's not something the fans can answer, but it's something the team's leadership should be asking themselves.

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Just a hypothetical, but if a player shows up to camp severely overweight, gives little effort in workouts, quits on workouts, makes his position group run laps due to his lack of effort, mouths off to teammates with complaints about the workouts and aggressively confronts a coach directly and questions why he should be doing what the coaches say...then I don't know how you can really figure that out during the recruiting process.

College coaches have to rely on the high school coach for information regarding attitude and work ethic. If you have a high school coach that covers for his prospect, then all you can do is put that high school on the "do not trust" list and move on.

players and coaches during the recruitment are a lot different than when they hit the field. the honeymoon is over when you get on the field. everyone is on their best behavior during the recruiting process, players want to look good and get offers and coaches want to look good to get you to come to the school. you can be honest and upfront about things as you see them at the time of the recruitment but circumstances change.

this is just an assumption and based on nothing but a lot of previous comments and things ive seen posted about the situation but coming from my coaching experience a lot of kids especially the talented ones skate by on talent alone and are never even asked to work hard. this catches up with them at all different levels, cams just appears to have been his freshman year at a D1 school. Cam may believe in his head that he was working hard enough for his standards because his standards of hard work are much lower than the standards set by FU and co because of years of cam having a low bar set because of his talent. this is NOT uncommon in football. and sometimes not all on the player. working hard should not be seen as punishment but as belief in you, many times the player being pushed the most feels angst towards the coaches pushing him as if he is singling you out, punishing you, etc. when in reality they have high expectations for you and want to see you meet them and are pushing you in the direction of greatness, its a fine line and its all on how the kids view this and respond. I don't know that this is what happened in this situation but from all accounts it seems like cam responded by shutting down instead of amping up.

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I'm going to guess when he was being recruited, Fuente never walked into his bedroom at 4:00 am and told him he better get his ass around the field before the whistle blows or he'd be trying all day (and I have a feeling with Hilgart, that's the extremely PC version). It's a different ball game to be told you'll have to work for something than actually doing it. Unfortunately, there's not way to foolproof that evaluation. It's why I saw MANY of my classmates quit at OCS. It's not like they didn't know what they were getting into, just couldn't handle it once the rubber met the road.

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I asked this below, but I will say it here again...are we even allowed to "cut" kids? we offered a scholarship, he accepted, signed his LOI...at that point, he's with us for the year, unless he decides otherwise.
I am sure the coaches were tough on him, but i am pretty sure they can't just cut him, as several people on here have suggested or implied.
I would like to hear JUGS weigh-in....but I am pretty sure, at this point, only one person can decide a player can leave the program (barring legal trouble), and that is the player.

It's similar to a forced resignation in the corporate world. If Goode had become as much of a cancer as I've heard, they likely told him that he was off the team and it was in his best interests to find another place to play, because his career as a football player at VT was over.

Correct.

Which is why the player has to request to be released, and the school has to grant it in order for the player to go somewhere else.

He's got the scholarship for the year. Doesn't mean he's going to play, though.

That's a good point. It may just be that while he could use the scholarship for a year (it wouldn't be renewed) and study at Tech, that would just postpone the inevitability of him switching schools.

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I have the feeling he had chances. The tweets about him being run are from July 13, meaning there were at least 2+ weeks of workouts and I am sure meetings and talks with coaches about redshirting. Its not like he stepped out of the car and they took one look at him and shoved him back in.

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Purely speculative on my part, but this whole event seems to speak more to attitude than to actions. No responsible coach is going to urge a talented kid to go elsewhere unless there's an attitude issue. This is the way I read the situation, and may bear no likeness to what really happened, but it seems like the kid showed up without taking the conditioning seriously over the summer, found out that Hilgart wasn't kidding and was going to get him into shape. It sounds like Goode didn't think that D-linemen needed to run so much (and probably more), and made his feelings known. The coaches would have likely confronted him pretty quick about the lack of buy-in, and had some serious discussions with Goode, and it led to the result. The result is less about the lack of conditioning and more about mindset.

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Great sum up, that has been my impression from the limit information available as well.

The tinfoil hat theory: This entire offseason was an elaborate Fuente PR scheme to distract from the fact that our offense will be awesome this year, thus proving his ultimate coaching genius. It will be written about in coaching books for years to come!

Didn't Tim Settle arrive on campus overweight and out of shape? I swear I remember watching/reading an interview with him about going on a strict diet. Too bad Cam couldn't follow in his footsteps and get in playing shape after a redshirt year. I wish the best for him wherever he ends up.

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Tim Settle was committed though, he knew he had the weight and was willing to work for his spot

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Cordaro Thompson had to lose weight as well. For an entire summer all he did was walk around the field, to get his weight down. In the end it worked out. He was pretty good too.

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And that man was nicknamed Taco, so you know the odds were against him.

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He posted something 5 days ago on Twitter about adversity. Maybe it was personal. Also posts about DC a lot. Wouldn't shock me if he ended up at Maryland.

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I have thoughts that I am going to keep to myself until we get a better picture of what happened. But I reject the comparisons to Settle. Settle had a much longer frame and was much quicker than Goode. Goode has a strong first step, but even in the all star game that he played under Deion Sanders, his second step was questionable. He needed to maintain his strength and improve his ability to slant across two gaps and pursue the play.

While depth is incredibly dire at DT (I am tepid on the returners and not overwhelmed by the two commits), it is better to open the spot now if you know he won't contribute without restricting the player's options for a landing spot.

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Can someone more knowledgeable than I explain something to me? This is unrestricted. That means the coaching staff doesn't see a possibility of him transferring to another ACC school? Does that hurt Cam's stock?

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Well, he enrolled at VT. So per ACC rules, if he transfers to an ACC school he sits 2 years.

And per NCAA rules if he transfers to another FBS school he sits 1 year.

Odds are he goes somewhere out of conference or FCS / D2

We're in for a rough year. This might be the season I avoid all live game threads.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Like many others have said on here, Goode wasn't going to be a big factor regardless this year. Because we are young there will be a few bumpy games this season but our schedule sets up for us to get to 9-3 or 8-4 even with all of the attrition.

Losing Cam Goode means this is going to be a rough year?
I don't understand....he probably would have redshirted anyway.

So we lose a freshman DT and we stop watching games now?

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"watching games" =/= "live game threads"

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Well...if you are going to avoid live game threads...then you might as well stop watching the game.

Maybe take a year off....because this season is going to be unbearable without Cam Goode redshirting......

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I would say that watching a game on my own is verrrrrrrry different than watching a game with the online musings of drunk angry TKPers that don't have much positivity even when things are going well.

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This is why I save live game threads till the day after to LOL at everyone's drunk over reactions.

if you are going to avoid live game threads...then you might as well stop watching the game.

I just... What?

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Just to clarify, I will absolutely watch every game this season. Just like I do every season. But if my hunch proves correct and we struggle this year, the pervasive negativity of the live game threads when we aren't playing well brings zero added value to my KPC membership.

Also, do you really think my comment about this shaping up to be a rough season is isolated to Cam Goode being released? Consider this just the cherry on top of the shit sundae that has been this off-season.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

ugh, did it really need this much explanation. It was clear from your first post. this is a microcosm of how bad live game threads are gonna be if we struggle this year.

microcosm of how bad live game threads are gonna be if we struggle this year. allow a first down...

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Yeah this is officially not good.

Why does that comment make it worse? Seems like it may indicate that it was a personal issue and other players are just hoping he does well with his future, right? Am I missing something?

Having the players all sided against the coaches is not a good thing at all. However, Fu runs shop there, even if that means making unpopular decisions.

I don't see this twitter post as siding against the coaches? Looks like a supportive friend trying to be encouraging.

This is what I saw as well. I guess it depends on what happened though. We're all flying blind.

I'll pile on.

This was liked SJC HS's Associate Head Coach and D Coordinator.

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And retweeted by Cam. This obviously was not a smooth divorce.

This is not good. SJC HS is absolutely stacked with D1 talent.
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Yikes

Is it football season yet?

I wouldn't worry about this. Just a friend supporting a friend.

Should we worry about SJC bridges being burned?

No because that's a high school and Virginia Tech is a college team. Until SJC produces an entire roster of recruits that can compete for ACC and national championships AND it comes out that our coaches did something wrong in this situation, I'm not going to worry about a former player from said high school tweeting in the heat of the moment.

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the most important thing is to maintain the relationship with the coaches. If you lose the coaches, you lose the school.

Yep and quite frankly I couldn't care less what some Western Michigan player thinks of Virginia Tech. Not sure he has the power to ban anyone from any high school.

Sure but nobody should expect our staff to run the program based on the reaction of high school coaches.

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No, but it's the lifeblood of the program. Coaches talk to other coaches, and Tech already has enough trouble recruiting DC.

Didn't VT basically get blacklisted at a 757 school because the coach did not like our staff? I cannot remember the details, so I don't want to just throw out names - and I'm not talking about the Thoroughbreds.

Just saying, this decision is not made without reviewing the impact across the board.

That was Mike Smith at Hampton HS back I think in the late 80's who had a kid that VT would not admit, then ended up banning UVa due some issues with Time Cop or AlGroh

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This is key. Don't care if we offended a few players who are no longer there, who we didn't pursue in the first place. Will be concerned if their coaches feel that we misled one of their star players, and they guide kids away from us in the future.

That said, we (fans without #sauces) don't know enough about this situation at the moment to understand/predict how VT's relationship with SJC will be impacted.

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This. Dear god all of this.

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A couple thoughts:

1) I was never sold on Goode, it's a dire position of need and he has talent. But I've always had a hard time believing that he was going to be a stud let alone a consistent starter due to being 5'10 maybe 5'11. By the time he started facing college linemen who were in their 3rd and 4th yr in a S&C program I always worries he'd struggle due to just the physical maturity that comes with age and eventually his physical tools wouldn't be as good a match. Good luck to you Cam, whatever the reason for the fallout, remember take care of your health and losing some weight when your that height doesn't just make football sense, it makes life sense.

2) I understand the whole bringing in undervalued/undersized DTs who fit our system and bringing in certain DEs that will be developed as DTs over time. But I think we can see the difference in guys like Ricky Walker and Settle who are true DTs that were rated as 4-Stars by different services and how having guys like that is just undeniably a step above guys like the Hopkins bros, Marshall, etc. Now there will be highly rated DTs that will fit our system better than others but both Settle and Walker have been able to do just fine while not following the typical mold of 6ft tall with a twitchy first step. Together they were one of best combos ever even as relatively inexperienced and young compared to other DTs in recent memory. I liken this to having ATH play WR, we saw just how much better having guys like Ford and Cam made a difference there and I will always happily take both the high 3-star rated WRs and DTs that maybe don't have the exact measurable (twitch, speed, etc) we need but have the skill to boost the position overall. I'm not saying take some higher just for the sake of him being more highly rated if they really just would fit the system terribly and not do what we need him. I'm just saying it's not like we don't have bodies at DT right now, we just don't know what they'll be like since most never played the position and it's up in the air what were gonna get from them. It's just hard to believe that there isn't anyone in the top 50 players at DT that both fit our system enough and want to come to tech on a year in and year out basis. Particular when so many are picking schools that I think we would consider ourselves on par with atleast.

Concur with the thought of I just want the season to start as well lol.

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*Walker was an undersized DT. He played both DT, DE, and middle linebacker (vs Marshawn) as a HS senior. We were all in on Walker replica (except much bigger) in Alim McNeil, and he picked NC State.

This system requires DTs with twitch. If you don't get them, you end up with Dee Fullwood's. Right now, those evals to land guys who have twitch and some lead in their pencil either miss or they seek elsewhere. It is frustrating.

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Rickey Walker reminds me of BJ Raji from Boston College, both have quick twitch and short arms.

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I'm having faith right now, but this better be a situation where FU is absolutely, 100%, no doubt right in giving him the boot. Jumping to conclusions before having all the facts is a good way to look like an asshole.

I'm going to wander off and internally speculate about what Goode must have done for FU to decide this is what needed to happen.

I also hope that everything is alright in the kid's life and whatever caused the conflict with FU doesn't derail the kid's hopes and dreams too much.

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I mean, FU has said before, don't put me in a situation where you make me pick between you or the team, I'll pick the team every time.

It may have been FU setting an example, Goode proposing an ultimatum, or a hundred other things.

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Without more information, I'm having faith that it's this. As long as FU still has the locker room I could see coming together to get through and past the adversity of this godforsaken offseason having a positive effect long term. So I'm hoping that FU still has the locker room.

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Assuming he hasn't gotten in any trouble, is it even possible for us to give him the boot? We offered a scholarship, he accepted, signed his LOI...at that point, I thought the only way he could leave the team this season, was by his own choice. I don't think coach can give him the boot...unless he got into some sort of trouble, which is not the case here, apparently.

Lets repeat: "Cam Goode has determined that he would like to continue his academic and athletic career at another institution"

We all assume Fuente gave him the boot. Likely Fuente and Foster gave him options and he didn't like any of them and gave them the "screw you guys, I'm goin' home"

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I honestly don't get people bashing him for "being broken by the coaches" or "can't handle the training". This literally happened today, and no one really knows what lead to Cam leaving the team aside from the players and coaches.
Not a fan of people bashing what would have been an incoming freshman. Grow up.

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Ah, don't be sore about it.

In hindsight (from my perspective) I don't sense a ton or even quantifiably significant amount of "bashing" on TKP. Just a lot of discussion. Don't mix TKP up with tweeter or fakebook. That's where the REAL bashing is.

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This. The same thing happened in response to some of the other negative off-season news and it's really, really not a good look. Even if these sorts of rumors have teeth, or are just outright true, the struggles of college kids are generally not things that need to be publicly speculated or opined on by adults on the internet. Just wish the best for the guy, and hope he has success elsewhere.

Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

First off, unless he's 17 or younger, he ain't a kid. Second, the fans & public have every right to speculate & opine (whether correct or incorrect) both on & off the internet. It's part of sports entertainment. It's part of the deal (like it or not). Now I'm not saying folks should go overkill, but something like this is definitely worth discussing & musing over (&, in a way, therapeutic).

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First off, unless he's 17 or younger, he ain't a kid.

Okay, sure, but the distinction between the struggles of a 17-year-old I don't know and those of a 19-year-old I don't know is immaterial to me, and I'm uninterested in the semantics.

Second, the fans & public have every right to speculate & opine (whether correct or incorrect) both on & off the internet.

Yes, they have "the right," but my contention has nothing to do with rights as such; I am pointing out a trend in posting that I find disagreeable and would like to see less of, because, among other things, speculating/opining incorrectly about players on a site that we know players and family members of players read is an extraordinarily bad look.

It's part of sports entertainment. It's part of the deal (like it or not).

It is not entertainment for me, and I suspect this is true for others on the board. If it is simply "part of the deal", then I will inevitably begin to frequent this site less.

Now I'm not saying folks should go overkill, but something like this is definitely worth discussing & musing over

Clearly "overkill" is a hopelessly subjective standard. A player's departure from the program is newsworthy and there are many facets of this story that I am glad to see discussed. Reading about players being "broken" and such is off-putting, and even if his conditioning woes are true (and it seems they probably are), I don't care to read any takes on that by anyone on this board.

(&, in a way, therapeutic).

Surely there are better outlets for this.

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Not the bagman VT deserves, but the bagman VT needs right now.

Yes, they have "the right," but my contention has nothing to do with rights as such

I hear you, but I hope you can understand how the tone of your initial comment can come across & be interpreted as such. Whether intentional or not, it sorta carries that vibe.

speculating/opining incorrectly about players on a site that we know players and family members of players read is an extraordinarily bad look.

It can be. The flip side to that coin is how they take it. While not an absolute, I do hold to the quote/saying "a person can't be offended unless they take offense" (probably a variation). The reason I acknowledge that it's not an absolute is due to the fact that folks feel what & how they feel. It really boils down emotional mgt (from BOTH the spectators as well as the atheletes & their kin).

It is not entertainment for me, and I suspect this is true for others on the board. If it is simply "part of the deal", then I will inevitably begin to frequent this site less.

I hear you, & in some forms I agree. For me it comes down to specifications. Which particulars do I feel or assign more offense to, which others less.

Clearly "overkill" is a hopelessly subjective standard.

Wasn't using it as a subjective or any kind of standard. It was more of a generality. Also, it was more in reference to twit & fakebook & some of the other sites.

A player's departure from the program is newsworthy and there are many facets of this story that I am glad to see discussed.

Not trying to pigeonhole here, but if so, then why this

I am pointing out a trend in posting that I find disagreeable and would like to see less of, because, among other things, speculating/opining incorrectly about players on a site

It just seems (from initial glance) inconsitent to me. That's all.

Surely there are better outlets for this.

Sure. And I'm sure folks could find said outlets themselves. But I feel if someone is going to make that statement there's a smidgen of obligation of said individual to provide valid suggestions of said outlets (just my 10 cents).

If it is simply "part of the deal", then I will inevitably begin to frequent this site less.

I hope not. I don't want anyone to do that regardless of where individuals stand or sit on the issue.

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This hurt my head and made next to no sense.

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Well that certainly wasn't the intention, so for the 1st part I apologize.

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If people can't comprehend why this kid is leaving, I highly suggest you watch Last Chance U and see what some of these players are like.

If he his attitude is bad enough to be cut week 1, then I highly doubt he could make it anywhere else in D1.

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I haven't seen any concrete evidence that Goode is leaving due to work ethic or not trying in workouts. It's been hinted in a few places, but each comment far from reliable at the moment. Given how ill-informed we all were with the JJ issue, I'll hold on passing judgement for now.

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Kyle Chung and Tyrell Smith aren't reliable enough sources?

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A passive aggressive sub tweet doesn't tell the whole story. I'm sure there's some truth to the fitness challenges, but I just can't imagine the guy just simply refused to do the team workout. Surely we would have seen some red flag before bringing him to campus? Maybe it really is that straight forward, but I'm guessing there was more to it than just that.

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Just speculation but it could have been his attitude towards the workouts. No doubt Hilgart was tasked with helping him get into playing shape, and quickly due to depth concerns this year. So maybe he cracked.

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Dylan Rivers just retweeted Kyle Chung's tweet:

EDIT: you can add Josh Jackson and Silas Dzansi, too

So far I have counted no fewer than 5 current players who have retweeted or liked this teeet, at least three VT staff members, four former players and multiple current players parents.

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Hmmm, this is looking more like a bonding opportunity rather than the other way around...

cant believe I had to go this far down to see that. This season certainly shows that, though I'm only 5 episodes in.

Spoken like a guy who's gone through these workouts 6 times lol

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With two different coaching staffs. The older guys know better than anyone that you can transfer and play for someone else, but they're gonna run your ass too.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Here we go. Battle cry. Buy in or get out.

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Sounds like Chung said someone wasn't "Challenge Able".

Bummed this didn't work out. I was looking forward to CG developing into a wrecking ball in the middle of the D-Line. Sometimes expectations just don't mesh with reality.

I make the following comment acknowledging, that one of the primary reason this and other sites exist is so we can vent.
In some ways this reminds me of the situation a short while ago when there was a question about Josh Jackson's availability for the coming season. Posts were flying all over the place and the sky was falling. There is so much we do not know and the speculation here seems to be getting out of hand.
As has been alluded here before, we all want the season to start. When it does, our perspective will change. We want the good guys to win 'em all, but if our team loses, we will gnash our teeth about ref calls or offensive missteps, the opposing coach, or some other thing. And, of course, when the Hokies win, we will all bask in their glory.
Let the season begin. GO HOKIES!

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I was hoping this was a four year old post someone randomly brought back up.

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lol cam would have been 12. my work ethics sucked at 12 too and I would have quit the hilgart program.

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Wow. Dramatic turn from 1000% hokie to looking for another school. I really can't imagine how things could go so bad so quickly. It just seems to me that there would have been a little more patience from all parties involved.

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Dude was asked to come in around 320lbs and would probably get immediate playing time. He came in around 350lbs. Then, he didn't want to do the work to get into shape. D1 coach's expectations and high school performance don't match.
With the depth chart like it is, this move wouldn't have happended unless it had to.

If you're frustrated, just imagine how those whose salaries depend on these kids feel.

It's gonna be a challenging season.

IF this is true, there's almost zero chance he was going to see playing time this season. At 5'-10" and 350lbs, he wouldn't have been able to keep up for more than a couple of snaps at a time.

Can you imagine a kid that size lining up against some of the fast paced offenses that we see in the ACC?

Is it football season yet?

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You could imagine Hilgart, if Chung etc. comments are true, getting in Goodes face when he showed lack of effort after showing up WAY overweight and saying essentially "your blankety blank won't ever see the field without putting in the effort' and Goode basically saying, 'yeah I'm out'. You know if he was THAT out of shape he was getting extra attention from the S&C staff.

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This feels much more plausible than a coaching stafff going off half cocked and getting rid of someone who was considered a diamond of their class.

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Just posted this in the other thread too. Subtweet?

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our 2018 what? goals? schedule? lift leaderboard?

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Given that the original tweet above was deleted, I'm going to say yes.

Some of the crappy stuff he's saying on twitter strikes me as a tad immature. Leaves little doubt to me who did wrong to who.

I don't have Twitter... Care to share?

He is spamming out tweets supporting him. I offer you a sampler platter of them.

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I don't have twitter either, just going off of what other TKPers are sharing. There's examples in both this thread and another.

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You better send his ass to Scooba Tech! East Mississippi defending national champions!

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I'm not sure if he'd make it at ICC either. The coaches were making the players jog laps around the practice field in that one episode.

Bud and Charlie better get cracking and find a big twitchy defensive tackle or they may be in trouble longer than just this and next year. I fear that teams with big power offensive lines and a power game mindset are going to give the Hokie defense fits. BC comes to mind.

After much consideration, I've finally decided what we should do with young Mr. Goode.

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Wow. This season is looking more and more like it needs some serious expectation adjustments.

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Cam doesn't move the needle on wins this season. 2019 though...

The kid was overweight and he probably didn't do enough before showing up to show that he was ready to work. All players have some kind offseason workout plan that they have to follow, right?

They worked him when he showed up and he buckled. That's what I think happened. Fuente is still developing his culture and he wants kids that are going to work. Maybe a redshirt to get in shape may have helped, but there are standards and they shouldn't change for one player.

I hope the kid does well. It certainly hurts to lose someone at this position.

There has been some discussion on the whole situation on the pay side of TSL.

41 lbs in one month? I find that hard to believe. He must have been 360-370 lbs earlier in the summer????

He's also been there a month...so Hilgart got him loosing that weight.

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41 pounds sounds like... a lot. Is that even possible/healthy in such a short period of time?

When you are 360 and 5'10, have a personal nutrition advisor and strength and conditioning coach that ain't nothing...you should see what wrestlers lose when they're already 8% body fat and all muscle.

Ahhhh, no.

That is a deficit of 143,500 calories in a month for reference. -4785 calories a day in a 30 day month. I would think that would not be healthy to do an maintain muscle mass, strength and any endurance.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I wonder if his stated weight loss total and Hilgarts calculation are equal...

That would be equivalent to about 5 hours of extreme cardio activity. Gotta replenish that kind of energy. I dont see where it would hardly be possible for a month straight.

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SO YOURE TELLING ME SCIENCE IS SAYING SOMEONE IS FIBBING!?

A fellow of that size could probably take off some water weight as well, but yeah to claim he made a 10 pound a week cut is ridiculous.

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I don't know why there is so much angst over this. You have to trust the coaches here. This is their livelihood. It's a tough job knowing your paycheck depends on 17-22 yr olds. If they cut bait this quickly there was obviously a good reason to do so. The coaches know what the optics would be doing something like this a week before camp starts, so there has to be a very good reason. I'm sure they thought about the repercussions before making this decision, and they came to the conclusion that it was better to get out now than have the guy infest the team for a whole season. The coaches obviously know the depth issue at DT, so I'm sure this decision didn't come lightly especially when his position coached talked in the spring about him getting immediate playing time. Long story short is we should trust the guys (coaches) that depend on these youngins to bring home their paycheck.

Thank you

Some on here give these kids way too much credit. But what's clear is a few on here based on their comments have zero faith in this coaching staff and jump ship any chance.

Do you honestly think the coaches don't have a good handle on understanding their DT depth?

A kids trying hard in a position of need and we just go ...meh see ya. With an open invitation to go play anywhere and eventually compete against him? Get real.

But we're getting savaged on Twitter. /s

I agree with you. I trust the coaches on this one. For 3 years, Fuente has made moves which I would consider Beamer-esque. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who does a casual dismissal because the numbers don't work out or he has buyers remorse. I trust the staff here. And I also think they are smart to not really respond to the nonsense today. It's over.

I'm ready to move on from this topic, in my opinion if Tim Settle can make it in the Fuente/Hilgart Health and wellness program then anyone should. Unfortunate for both sides, Cam just needs to learn from the experience stop talking about it on twitter and move forward with his life. We needed the depth and hopefully the coaches learn from this as well in terms of assessment during recruiting or how they approach certain players regarding their expectations, as every situation is a learning experience. Good luck to Cam and let's fill his spot with a solid DT or RB prospect.

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I think we also have to remember how Coach Fu typically handles things media wise. Most of the time it's "This person has been released from the program. End of discussion."

This time it was "This person has decided to seek academics and athletics elsewhere, and we've let him go unrestricted."

It's a lot more words than normal, and to me it seems they didn't have to let him go at all, let alone unrestricted. Knowing nothing else, it sounds like he was given a choice on something, and decided to leave. Regardless of what that choice was, and regardless of what picture he is painting that he wanted to stay, he had to have made a choice to go if the offer was unrestricted release. Especially since Fu has been so tight-lipped on departures in the past.

Respect it, trust the coaches, and move on.

Exactly.

Apparently he didn't want to stay badly enough to get on board with what the coaches asked of him.

I'm not as ready to ignore the tweets.

College coaches need to win over very impressionable young men who are on Twitter constantly and any bad PR about VT, especially from a guy who comes from a High School in our general recruiting backyard isn't a good thing.

Not saying that Fu and Company were wrong, I imagine if he was kicked off the team they had their reasons but Fuente is clearly drawing a line in the sand that may turn some guys off.

And please spare me the "we only want guys who want to be here", the whole POINT of recruiting is to convince players to come to Tech. We're not Bama, we can't walk into many living rooms and simply win them over with the name on the letterhead.

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1) We still don't know all the details of the story. My first impression was that he felt that the extra work being tossed his way was "punishment" for showing up out of shape, as opposed to a genuine attempt to get him back in shape in time for the season, and was miffed enough by that to request a release from his scholarship. Some of the tweets that have come out since make it sound like it could have been anything from that to him being "forced to resign" (effectively kicked off the team), with a possible middle ground of being handed an ultimatum to either meet some requirements or take his chances elsewhere. Point is, we don't know what that exactly happened, and neither does anyone on Twitter.

2) We may not be Bama, or even anywhere close to it, but Fuente still has to run the team how he sees fit. He has to determine the standards he wants his program to live up to. If the answer to #1 above is that Goode was "forced to resign", that means Goode violated whatever standards Fuente has put in place for this team, and unless Fuente acted in some way it would become likely that other players would soon follow suit.

3) The whole point of recruiting is to convince players that they want to come to Tech. If they get here and realize that they don't want to spend their next 4 years in Blacksburg, I'd much rather let them go somewhere else instead of sowing discontent throughout the locker room.

I agree with everything you've said here, I just disagree with the 'ah whatever who care about the tweets' responses.

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So what would you do? Respond to the tweets? That would be a recipe for disaster. The staff would like a bunch of buffoons engaging with an incoming freshman.

I worded that poorly.

I absolutely, 100% do not think our staff should respond to the tweets (ideally fans shouldn't be either, but unfortunately they are).

I'm just a little more concerned about the blow to the reputation from this + the guys kicked off the team this year + Tahj Capehart situation then some are.

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I think you do better to stick to your guns. Leave zee tweets alone.

Who knows more about how to prepare for D-1 college football? Fuente and company, or a high school player?

Never explain. Your friends don't need it, and people who dislike you won't believe you anyway.

Our staff should not be wasting any time responding to tweets in these situations. Period.

@CraigThompsonVT

^^^^^This guy gets it^^^^^

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Now that I think about it...All of Moorehead's top receivers are in Training Camps...bucky, ford and Phillips...

I think you are overly worried about it. It unfortunately might affect us next year or two but I am not sure how many of those players we were going to get anyways. We haven't exactly recruited DC well and this stuff will blow over. Just look how little the Capehart situation affected us. Just from Sullivan Tank would have loved to commit here if we let him, Armani Chatman committed here, and Tayvion Robinson who was friends with those guys and almost went to Sullivan committed here. Only guy that it might have affected us with is Teradja Mitchell and he wasn't coming here regardless. It is a bunch of people having their friends back and are only getting one side of the story. Our coaches will talk to the high school coaches and give them their side of the story kids will know what happened and these tweets won't matter.

Speaking of chatman, he tweeted this a few days ago

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Drake song.

/s

Good for him. I hope he does well in Florida

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies

Maybe he's waiting for something better?

So he's just using their offer to try and get other offers?

Odd form of "Thank You".

He's going to keep looking.

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They could have him on lock though. His recruitment ain't 800% open.

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- The BoD

I just don't get how he isn't exhausted by the process yet. I don't confess to know the CFB world perfectly, but I'm sure every coach is calling up Fu and saying "Hey Justin, what's the deal?"

As far as I am aware, this is the first offer he received after we released him. He isn't being jumped on like he once was or people don't have the roster space. It's just so bizarre.

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I'm guessing the context behind him leaving our program has hurt his current recruitment pretty significantly. I hope he gets his second chance but I'm guessing most power 5 programs probably don't want to take a chance on a scholarship.

Using /s is for cowards.

ooops - missed it in the sea of his RTs on his timeline.

oh man, if he struggled with conditioning in Blacksburg weather, he's in for a shock doing all the same stuff in central florida heat and humidity. I hope he took getting released from Tech as motivation and works his ass off for UCF. Best of luck to him.

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He had a lot of nice tweeets and retweets in the game (and fromerformer teammates) Monday night and yesterday.

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I wish him the best of luck.

He screwed up. Royally. But if he gets his act together and gets in shape (physically and mentally) he can garner a second chance somewhere. I don't quite get why he wouldn't just take this offer, though. Is it not a scholarship for this year?

Probably not. Classes started there on 20 August, according to UCF's Fall Calendar, so it would appear he's missed the boat for this season. Would likely have to sit out a year anyways because I'm guessing that he started classes in the summer.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I think that because he never appeared in any athletic contests for VT that he could have signed anywhere and started immediately. But I may also be misremembering the rule.