OT: Stranger Things Season 4 discussion thread (feat. Spoilers)

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How about that friendly orderly, huh?

Also, there is a "Stranger Things 4 Ending explained" vid on YouTube and in the comments one person opined that the orderly / 001 was possibly 011's father, which is an intriguing theory and would explain 011 having telekinetic power too. But if he was brought in as a kid it would seem unlikely he would have been allowed to have any "extra curricular" activity. Also it would have the appearance of copying the Luke / Darth Vader arc, and as innovative as the entire series has been I would think the Duffler Bros would avoid that.

My other question would be how did Hopper get around so well, with no sign of a limp after his chain gang buddy shattered his foot/leg with a sledge hammer? I understand how there was some hyperbole (Murray's black belt fighting skills, for example) but Hopper's ability to get around after the first breakout seemed too easy.

I have discussed this ad nauseas with my wife and she's tired of me talking about it. Didn't understand how breaking his ankle/foot helped get the chains off if it was days later because swelling would commence and also didn't understand how he was running so well with said injuries.

During the last episode, when 001 was talking to 011, I thought he said that Papa tried to make more of him (or something like that). I took that to mean Papa created 002-011 in the lab somehow using 001 as the template. I could be wrong though.

Just watched the episode and it has me hooked again with that ST feeling.

I'm glad they are going darker and more mature each season, and the gore level has kicked up. I like the new long haired kid (Eddie?) quite a bit.

Seeing comments further down that start out sounding like folks have completed it so I'm stopping here after just finishing the first episode. Holy shit that was an aggressive first episode across the board. Not waiting on setting the tone character wise nor in the horror/gore aspect. The ending was...shocking. And yes, Eddie! Looked at my wife and said "I don't think Eddie's necessarily a good guy, but definitely not a bad guy."

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You were warned.

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I tiptoed lol

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Loved the whole season. I didn't have any dull episode or scene. Everything was well paced and phenomenally acted. At this point, I shouldn't be surprised when they get a foreigner to play an American (Eddie, Billy) and kill it.

Of course Max's favorite song is by Kate Bush.

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I love that Kate Bush is topping the US and Spotify charts right now too. A whole new generation hearing that tune. That song is an all timer, and that moment...for that character...was a highlight of the season for me. Sometimes things just come together so perfectly and that was one of those times.

I think they are spot on with all the songs they choose and the time they choose them. I got tingles when they went into Pyscho Killer. That song is a favorite of mine and it couldn't have hit at a better time.

Love the tone of this season. Very 80's horror feel with the Nightmare on Elm Street vibes (and guess which actor played Victor!)

My only gripe is I was hoping to see more El badassery in the real world and get her powers back quicker. But it's all setting up for Vol.2, so I'm sure that will deliver.

I love the tickle of Dickel in my belly

I definitely love the new stoner character Argyle.

I thought he was going to annoy me, and turned out to be a great addition. If Stranger Thing does one thing right (and it does a lot more than one thing right), its introducing new characters without them feeling pointless or filler, that ultimately mesh well with the existing gang. Max, Robin, Murray, Eddie, Argyle, and let us never forget the king Bob Newby.

oh yes, RIP to the great Bob Newby

Did 001 say he was Victor's son? If so, I'm confused since the events in Victor's house took place ~30 years before. He would/should look much older.

Very very very entertaining season thus far. I love how they could give to shits about the length of each episode. Some are 1 hr, some 1:20 and the last episode a full 1:40 (which by the way, didn't feel that long to me).

It did show that he was his son, I think in episode 7. Remember that at lot of the scenes in the Hawkins lab were years prior to the current events (I think when they "show" the younger El she looks to be about 7 or 8) so it is plausible that at that time frame then 001 could have been late 20's or early 30's.

Good point. I did tell my wife I thought he was 001 around episode 2 or 3. The reveal that he was Victor's son was a total surprise, though, and will set up a bad ass battle between 011 and Vecna/001 for volume 2.

Murders happened in '59. Flashback scenes with 001 were either '76 or '78, I think. That timeline makes sense for the current year to be '86.


Henry Creel was born in '47, becoming 001 in '59, and Vecna in '79.

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Fair enough. My comment was very much a gut reaction that the actor seemed too young but the timeline makes sense.

So is 011 an invitro daughter of 001/Vecna? That would be a great climax for volume 2!

Seems incredibly unlikely. The show has gone out of its way to show us full scenes with Eleven's birth mother in an earlier season, and make a point of her mom coming to try and get her at Hawkins Lab being a key memory for her power.

Not saying it can't be a twist, but the Duffer brothers don't seem to write that way. The 001/Creel/Vecna twist was all laid out right in front of our faces, which is why it was soooo good. 11 being "made in a lab" would feel like cheap writing to me.

Had a feeling that 001 could be behind some of what was going on. Very enjoyable season. Definitely more of a horror vibe than any of the others. I'd been enjoying the longer episode lengths and them being as long as they need to do what they want with each episode, rather than everything being the same length. Very excited to see how they finish things up this summer. Only real confusion is how Hopper runs so well with broken feet lol.

I think it's less that his feet/ankles are so badly broken that he can slip through the shackles and more that the shackles are damaged enough to allow space to slip through. Either way, bit of a plot hole but not important in the grand scheme of things.

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Yeah I wasn't really bothered by it, just thought it was interesting. Also not sure how he doesn't get frostbite after running on snow that long! Again, no big deal. Loved the season.

Ok, hear me out. Maybe walking around barefoot in the cold snow numbed the pain of the broken/sprained ankle. Maybe he does have frostbite but keeps running on adrenaline because... you know, monsters that want to kill him.
Maybe volume 2 we will see Hopper spending time at the doctor and physical therapy trying to heal his ankle (think 011 spending the majority of volume 1 finding her powers) only to rejoin the crew towards the finale to save day.

I've put some super duper serious thought into this.

Or maybe it's just a small plot hole. 😂

Lol the adrenaline thought is a good one but I think he's just back to normal for volume 2. I'm interested though to see if that Russia crew comes back and reunites with everyone else before the very end.

Fantastic season culminating in one of the best episodes yet for episode 7. I had inklings he wasnt just a caretaker but I didn't make the vecna connection. That was really well told and now they've set it all up for the finale. Can't say a show has hit this well in a long time that was this original.

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I have enjoyed season 4 immensely, and can not wait for Volume 2.

Between this and Better Call Saul wrapping up it's going to be a great month of TV

Forgetting someone?

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I said great TV...

I forgot all about Billy. How did he die?

Even when you get skunked; fishing never lets you down. 🎣

He died himself.

That would be dyed.

Even when you get skunked; fishing never lets you down. 🎣

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The Meat Monster/Flayer speared Billy at the end of Season 3 when he tried to save 011 from the meat monster. He gone....

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this might be the most disturbing gif I've seen this year

Onward and upward

The Max episode might be one of the best episodes of television in a very long time. The ending itself, and all of the buildup to it were sublime, but there was a lot of other stuff that went on in it as well. Just an excellent hour of viewing, and arguably is the best episode of the entire show this far.

2 episodes left and a hell of a lot of loose ends to tie up. Will be interesting to see how it all unfolds. Had a feeling the orderly was more than made to be, that actor reminded me a lot of Bill Skarsgard and his take on Pennywise. Just creepy to a fault from the start.

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They posted some new photos from volume 2 out there today. Looks like Nancy survives the upside down (as if that was really in question)

I think we are going to lose at least 1 major character in Volume 2, but Nancy would not be the one I would expect. Although the Volume 1 finale leaves that in question, I think the episodes have already set up that the gang will be able to help her get free. Her new friendship with Robin has been a big plot point so far, and they've gone so far as to show Robin in her room going through her cassette tapes and looking at her favorite songs.

They are in Eddie's trailer, so maybe he uses his guitar to play the song himself or something. This show doesn't have a whole lot of wasted details.

Eddie will Tenacious D 001 to death. Calling it now.

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Max looking real ominous in the back of that first capture.

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Finally caught up on this one.

It really is amazing to me how much better this show is than pretty much everything on TV at the moment. Very little wasted space, very little filler, really great process from start to finish.

Only downside is that it makes everything else less by comparison. Makes little miscues from other shows seem more glaring.

Mild disagree here.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed most of this season and think it's clearly better than seasons 2 and 3, but plot lines like Hopper/Joyce could've been resolved in the span of 2-3 episodes of the show but it got dragged out for the entire stretch. And we saw *how many* scenes with Eleven that could've been slimmed down as well.

Valid. Maybe its just because i'm watching Kenobi at the moment and it feels so disjointed and half thought out.

I personally have wished more shows would take the GoT approach and slow things down. GoT basically ruined everything for me since bc I feel like this aggressive rush to reach the action and conflict, leaving no room for character development and growth. Disclaimer: I thought the last 3ish seasons of GoT were trash and they abandoned everything that made it wonderful in this regard.

NOW... I'm not saying ST is GoT however I do appreciate the fact that these episodes are much longer and we're moving slower to permit us as the audience to develop with the characters.

I'm not saying ST is GoT

My mind went straight to sex scenes reading this comment. Episode 7 is the closest we ever get to a sex scene in ST.

I love the wholesomeness of this show, that is the teenagers growing up together. The Duffer brothers didn't need to use sex to add to the story or make it more palatable to the adults watching. Seasons 1 & 2 are very tween friendly. As the kids watching grow up, the show matures with the kids in the show.

So many of those young viewers' parents grew up in the 80s, or as myself, the 90s with a ton of 80s influence. The nostalgia just adds to the wholesomeness, and really hits an emotional nerve.

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I.... agree with this.

After finishing the first part, I needed to take a break from new shows for a week just to detox a bit. Sure, the story might have dragged a bit in some areas, but overall its very solid. And I still say Ep 4 was close to perfect.

We just started watching Ms Marvel yesterday and haven't even picked up The Boys Season 3, yet. Needed to give some time between shows because ST4 was pretty intense.

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Hey remember when we were in Season 1 and everyone was swirling theories about what the hell was going on?

The actor who plays Dustin had one at the time. And check this shit out

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I'm gonna be sitting at the beach house in Delaware with my mom and brothers streaming this before the 4th. Can't wait.

I think there is going to be a major character death.


There's a lot of speculation that the scene which looks super emotional in this is actually Will coming out as gay to his brother, so who knows.

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It's been hinted there may be more than one.

Steve seems to be a popular choice for that. Which is an amazing example of writing a character that seemed like prototypical D bag and I would be genuinely sad if he dies now.

Also as Alum said above, Will coming out as gay is a popular theory.

I'm thinking Eddie and El die.

Will comes out. So does Nancy.

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Eddie? I could see it, but it would just be another character who joins for 1 season only to die at the end (Bob, Billy). I suspect a bait and switch there where we think he will, but he makes it out.

El? The more I think about it, no. They already pulled that bait and switch at the end of the first season, and I doubt they want to spend Season 5 trying to get her back. And given there will be a Season 5.... Nah

If I had to go in on someone who is out... Mike or Joyce. Mike seems to have almost already been completely written out, and with the actor taking on more roles outside of the show, I could see there being mutual interest to have parted ways. Joyce for the absolute gut punch ending to the way the last couple seasons have gone, but would allow Hopper to step in as the main father figure for everyone once they are all back together. I actually think that will probably happen by the end of Season 5, even if it doesn't happen now.

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Billy was in Season 2 & 3. Bob is really the only character that fits the one and done (other than obvious tertiary characters).

Nancy coming out would actually be an incredible development. Would add a whole new layer to her growing friendship with Robin, and I would find it to just be good storytelling. And if Steve survives this season would offer an amazing dynamic for them in season 5.

It just seems like the scene where the group split up and Robin and Nancy were alone in the same shot it just looked like it worked.

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I thought this was the final season. Is there talks of more seasons after this?

Season 5 is the planned final season. The Duffer brothers have also noted there will be a time jump to season 5, because they pretty much have to with how fast the kids are ageing, so it is likely that season 5 might jump 3 or 4 years in the future, closer to 1990.

Season 5 has been confirmed, and it will be the final season according to the Duffer brothers

I thought volume 1 was excellent, and I can't remember the last time I've been this excited waiting for the remaining episodes to come out. Episode 7 explained more about the origins of 11 and the upside down more than the previous 3 and a half seasons combined.

I thought season 3 was good, but was concerned it was bordering on the edge of being too cheesy. This season, I love the darker turn and I feel like the nostalgia has been properly woven into the story rather than in your face like season 3.

In the remaining episodes, I would love to see how 1 has survived in the upside down with all the other monsters. Definitely could see a main character either being killed off or somehow banished permenantly to the upside down

Reading some interesting fan theories, but this one popped out, when Robin finds the article:

The latter headline is real, detailing Dwight D. Eisenhower's golf and quail-hunting vacation in the February 3, 1959, issue of the Los Angeles Mirror. That date is known for a very different reason: It's when a plane crash near Clear Lake, Iowa, killed Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J.P. "The Big Bopper" Richardson, as well as pilot Roger Peterson. The date is now widely known by another name, thanks to lyrics from Don McLean's "American Pie": The Day the Music Died.

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Are we about to get an 80s hair metal version of La Bamba?

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Seriously worrying that Steve might be killed off in the final two episodes. I hope not, but we will have a lot to talk about in this thread next week either way.

The question is, how much George R.R. Martin is in the Duffer Brothers?

Because there's gonna be some goddamned chaos in the streets if they off Steve.

If you play it, they will win.

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Crazy that he was not even supposed to make it out of Season 1 and the Duffer brothers expanded the character since he ended up being a fan favorite.

I feel like a main character is going to die but who knows. There are going to be some deaths for sure.

I am still thinking Joyce and Mike. Those two would have the most impact on the core characters of the show.

Granted, the way Maya Hawke has been giving zero shits about proper PR right now, wouldn't completely be surprised if its Robin.

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What has Maya Hawke done?

I don't know if it's any evidence of what's going to happen to her character, I think it has more to do with the fact that she's Ethan hawke's daughter.

If I recall he used to be absolutely dreadful when it came to PR efforts

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Ok, I didn't see that ending coming.

Argyle is my favorite character.

The Duffer Brothers deserve all the awards.

Poor Max.

The connection between Billy and Eleven, if you didn't catch it, 🤯

Might have to watch Season 2 again. There were quite a few references to that season.

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Hot take- the Duffer Bros are a bit chicken shit for their unwillingness to kill off main characters. The stakes during the entire show are watered down and don't seem serious when nothing ever actually happens. Max being brought back from the dead was the lamest thing to happen to this show. Still an absolutely incredible show but I was hoping for even more out of those last two episodes.

Eddie doing Master of Puppets is the best 5 minutes of this entire damn show

Those movies could have been episodes. I hated the format. Was pretty disappointed in it overall.

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Aside from having to recover from staring at a neon blue bug light for an hour I can finally see again and gotta say the rumor that this was the final episodes was a big blue balls by Netflix.

Don't see why they couldn't have legit had him killed there and gotta wonder what they will do in season 5 that's any different from 4

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Finished S4 and all in all was pretty stoked by the season in general. I'm not thrilled with the last 2 episodes being so long, especially where there were sections where they faded to black for a solid few seconds. That said, the way the three different plot lines were able to come together was dope. That's the one thing that I've enjoyed about Stranger Things is how much stuff gets thrown out there in the first few episodes and then it all gets woven back together.

I guess we'll just have to wait 3 years for the next season...