2022 Racing Thread

It's that time of year again...With the Chili Bowl Nationals kicking off today and wrapping up Saturday night. IMSA with the Roar before the 24 the weekend of 1/22 and the Rolex 24 the following weekend. NASCAR setting up shop at Daytona in February, things are going to get going in a hurry.

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No news, but I did see this posted this morning, and... oof what a good pic

In slight news I saw that Ferrari and McLaren are going to be using a pullrod front suspension with the 2022 car, which is something they both used about 6-8 years ago, leading some to suspect they might be onto something regarding ground effects and how it impacts airflow with the new model.

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Yea pullrod front seems to be something that any time there is major regulation change, gets kicked around by the engineers. Maybe with the new aero balance, the teams will get it to work. All teams will eventually converge on the best solution, just a matter of who nails it first!

In terms of schedule, F1 pre-season testing begins 23 Feb in Barcelona. Expect full looks at each team's new cars early Feb. Much to look forward to in 2022!

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I didn't expect it to be this bad, but oof the F1 withdrawal is bad. Where's the DTS S4 I need to keep me going!?

Should drop before the season opener in Bahrain (March 18th). So Mid Feb to early March time frame.

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From: https://thetecheducation.com/drive-to-survive-season-4/

The first three seasons were released on the following dates:

The very first season was premiered on March 8th, 2019.
In 2020, the second season premieres on February 28.
In the third season, which was premiered on 19 March 2021.

And given first race dates for 2019-2022 (from Wikipedia):

1 Australian Grand Prix Australia Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit, Melbourne 17 March
Australian Grand Prix Australia Albert Park Circuit, Melbourne 15 March
1 Bahrain Grand Prix Bahrain Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir 28 March
1 Bahrain Grand Prix Bahrain Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir 20 March

We have the following deltas between Netflix DTS release and first race (2019-2021):

9 days
15 16 days (Edit: forgot leap day)
9 days

For an average of ~11 days between Netflix DTS release and the first F1 race.

With the first 2022 race scheduled for 20 March, that would project a Netflix release date on 9 March 2022.

However, given the following:

  • All three above Netflix DTS release dates (2019-2021) were Fridays
  • 9 March 2022 occurs on a Wednesday
  • Two of the three above deltas were shorter than 11 days

...my expert prognostication for the release of Netflix's Drive to Survive, Season 4, will be on Friday, 11 March.

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He did the math

F1 offseason is easy to deal with compared to Football offseason!

why is this Chili Bowl Happening?

Hokies, Local Soccer, AFC Ajax, Ravens

Can't wait for Daytona.

Chili Bowl Championship night getting ready to get underway.

I'll watch, however, I do not understand the appeal of the Chili Bowl. People often say Nascar is just "turning left"....the chili bowl is as close to a circle as one can get in racing.

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I say that then see Rusty Kunz is sponsored by Rusty Kuntz...I'm fully invested now.

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Until you see the Clash at the LA Coliseum...

I just don't understand what they are doing with that race. That track is small to the point of being a joke. Even if it's not a wreckfest, it's just going to be who can effectively idle their car the fastest for a few hours.

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Let's not be too harsh yet. You may be right and the race be a stinker. But, and a big BUT it is, a quarter to a third mile track around a football field is no joke. BOWMAN GRAY STADIUM!!! Too watch the modifieds turn laps sub 14 seconds around Winston-Salem States football field is a sight to behold. It is NASCAR's longest running weekly race track.

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I'm excited for it and will definitely be watching. I applaud NASCAR for trying something different (like they did running the Daytona road course for the Clash last year). I just think they struggle to run more than 10% of this race under green...I hope I'm wrong and they put on a great show.

Also, it's January 15th and I'm sitting here drinking bourbon and watching racing...it's a good day!

A-Main ready to go (after a break for track prep):

Thorson wins

SRX to South Boston?

Yup

The Roar is underway in Daytona.

So happy to see IMSA get back underway.

Are there any LMH in the field? I don't see any listed...

This is the last ride for DPi, LMH comes in next year.

Oh that'll do

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Some reddit sleuths zoomed in on Zak's phone and basically confirmed pull rod front suspension.

Also, that's one sexy sounding Merc engine.

I feel like the next few years the Merc engine is going to dominate. Rb/Honda moved up their 22 engine to 21. Merc did not, and with the engine freeze starting before Race #1 this year (albeit reliability/safety upgrades allowed), I think Merc has set up well for a few years more dominance.

E10 fuel introduction this year is said to reduce HP. Mercedes and Petronas have hinted at regaining that loss back. Not to mention, reliability updates identified in 21 that should be fixed in 22 version, and any other upgrades they have made for 22 that will sure to be in before the freeze begins (increased turbo volume, better cooling, etc.)

*Edit* Looks like Honda is now backtracking and staying on to 2025. Things getting interesting!

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I never in a million years thought I'd be excited to see a F1 car unveiling...yet here I am clicking on links trying to get my fix.

We've got a big one this weekend

Michelin Pilot Sport Challenge series runs Friday at 1:35pm too.

Interesting how there are several different body styles participating in this race. Look at just the front row. You have a Porsche with classical Porsche stylings on the outside, a Corvette with something similar to the current Corvette front ends in the middle, and a Cadillac with deep aero channels flanking the driver's seat, similar to the Acura behind it.

To quote Spock: "Fascinating."

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IMSA's multi-class racing is great. With all these cars on track at the same time, they're not necessarily competing with everyone else on track but you get races within the race for each class. It's evolving slightly this year with GTLM going away and having GTD Pro and GTD (Am). Next year the DPi class will be replaced with LMH/LMDh that has common spec/rules with WEC.

This race is an absolute bucket list experience for anyone interested in motorsports. It's phenomenal. The fan access at IMSA events is IMO the most access you will get at a sporting event, even when just a GA ticket. This race is a bit more controlled but a GA ticket will get you access to the grandstands and infield and there are shuttles to take you between. If anyone is near Daytona this weekend, I highly recommend swinging by and checking this out.

#IMSAAfterDark

Just under 4 hours left and DPi and GTD Pro are starting to tighten up a bit.

Under an hour left and those two classes are extremely close...just went under yellow going to get a restart.

What about NASCAR?

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

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ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

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Less than 1 month til Daytona. I'm ready!

That GTD Pro battle was fun!

Man that was thrilling between those two the last 10 minutes or so!

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Saw this yesterday, and it made me laugh. GIGACHECO!
[Sorry, embed was blocked by F1 management.]
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For any redditors out there, r/formuladank is filled with memes like this lol

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The math almost checked out. I had Friday, 11 March.

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Maybe there should be a dedicated Olympics thread, but there's a tie-in to racing, so I'll put it here. USA Luge has been working RCR racing, specifically Matthew Wiles (who is a Virginia Tech alum), in producing modernized luges for the Olympics. Article is from The Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/3111675/2022/02/04/usa-luge-went-looking-for-an-...

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Can't wait to see some cars next week. Not gonna lie...really looking forward to see the McLaren Lego Technic set.

Next week? We got cars tomorrow right?

Red Bull โ€” February 9
Aston Martin โ€” February 10
McLaren โ€” February 11

AlphaTauri โ€” February 14
Williams โ€” February 15
Ferrari โ€” February 17
Mercedes โ€” February 18
Alpine โ€” February 21
Alfa Romeo โ€” February 27
Haas โ€” TBD

Done and done!

Between this and the alleged Liebherr 13000 coming out this Summer I'm gonna be in the doghouse with my wife.

It's apparently $280, though

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honestly as a huge lego enthusiast I'm a little underwhelmed. I think the price point is a little high for the #of pieces, I don't think it looks as good as the other lego vehicles

At the $180 price point that comes out to $0.125 per piece which is in keeping with the range and just slightly higher than the average of $0.11 per piece. I think it doesn't look too bad...there's only so much they can do with the pieces they have without making a bunch of custom pieces for the set.

Haas released a few days ago...

This is a great deep dive in to some technical stuff from a former Mercedes aero engineer...

All with a grain of salt though, as Haas has confirmed this is a render from a model that was early in the design phase of the car, but some good insight into what direction they (and Ferrari) may go.

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So the Colosseum looks awesome. Thus far, not the shitshow I, and a lot of others, had thought it'd be. LQC may get a little harrier.

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I'm trying to figure this out and haven't found it online. The track is asphalt but was it poured in there or did it get built in sections and can be assembled and disassembled? I'm fascinated.

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This end to the 2nd LCQ is entertaining.


Ty Dillon that LCQ.

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The drama continues after the race...

Yeah Ty jumping early twice. He really did his best Ricky impression. Thought the 47 was going to cause the first wreck.

I love it. I can see Horner trolling Toto all tour long.

"So Toto...is there where you go racing?"

I hope Netflix sends some cameras with him for Season 5.

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What a savings

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Rumor has it that Merc and RB were actively trying to get him to consider a future contract and he signed this to shut them up.

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Yeah, I did see that he acknowledged that he had spoken briefly to a couple of other teams before signing. Definitely sounds like his heart was always with McLaren though.

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Yeah, that's a possibility

Fully believe that Merc had Lando targeted as the Lewis replacement, and now they probably have to look to Plan B

That said, if McLaren can't provide a car capable of challenging for a WDC by 2025, all bets are off on where he goes next.

One thing is for sure, Lando is the McLaren #1 driver going forward. Love Danny Ric but with Lando in the fold that long, they'd be stupid to not develop this next gen car to maximize Lando's potential, even if that's at the expense of the other driver.

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Agreed. Danny Ric is a character and hopefully he's able to gel with the McLaren '22 car, but what he delivered for McLaren in '21 vs how much they're paying him doesn't match up.

All that said...I'll be rooting for McLaren this year, specifically Lando.

Red Bull Racing gets a title sponsor in Oracle to become Oracle Red Bull Racing.

Outside of the logo flip, not much of a change

I do have to say, the new simplistic aero package of the 2022 car has them looking a little like Indycar right now, and I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

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Reveals continue today with the Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant 2022 car. (at a certain point, the names get comically long with the sponsors)

As opposed to the Haas and Red Bull reveals, this is the actual car that that AM is running this year.

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Much more square and boxy compared to the Haas reveal (at least Haas went with a render based on early concept of their interpretation compared to RB which just slapped a livery on the FOM show car). LOVE the addition of the "louvres" (gills). Much more cooling focused than Haas concept. Overall a sharp looking car.

High ride height may mean trying to capitalize on directing air flow under the front wing and into the underbody, rather than over the front wing. Trade off between downforce in the center of car vs front wing? Might affect steering?

Will be interesting to see how this compares to McLaren and Mercedes (same PU's). We know the AM went with pushrod front and McLaren is pointing toward pullrod. With this AM car and pushrod, it seems to make sense that the ride height is higher, as springs are mounted at the top. If McLaren do indeed have pullrod, expect the front wing to be quite a bit lower and possibly different angle, as the springs are mounted at the bottom of the chassis.

There's no real suspension performance difference between the two, but pushrod is a bit lighter, but higher center of gravity. While pullrod is heavier, but lower center of gravity. It's all about how they may package the aero around this and where they direct airflow where the difference will be.

Will be interesting to see the direction Merc heads based on this.

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Yeah, those gills are ๐Ÿ’ฏ

I am digging this guy's content right now.

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I spy with my lil eye a Bruce McLaren kiwi

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Super Bowl is over, BIG WIN over UVA last night...now...

SPEEDWEEKS!!

Couple more reveals

McLaren with a pretty significant change on Friday.

Alpha Tauri over the weekend with a bit of a change.

Williams is going back to the pre-Martini navy blue, taking the pink accent from Aston Martin while they're at it. (though, not the only one, as Alpine is now partnered with BWT, which will bring the pink there as well)

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Some technical aero on the McLaren...

Not a whole lot to say about the Alfa, difficult to discern thanks to the camo livery on the track shakedown. But, got the same gills as AM...

The Williams actually looks quite nice on track. Very Indycar front...

@ScarbsTech on twitter has some great snap analysis on all the cars

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The closer we get to the beginning of the season the more excited I'm getting. I kinda came into '21 not knowing what to expect after watching DTS but with an almost full season under my belt and the new designs, I'm really looking forward to the '22 season and seeing how things shake out. I'm really hoping that Haas, Williams, and Alfa Romeo can close the gap on the mid-field so that there's less of a disparity between it and the backmarkers.

I'm right there with you from an experience standpoint, finishing S3 right before Monaco. I'd really like to see the midfield close up the gap to the front runners as well. I think the new financial regulations were supposed to help that, but there probably always be FRBs.

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The finance regs help a bit, but with the exceptions made for driver and top 3 exec salaries, marketing (I think) budget, it really doesn't do as much to narrow things down when Mercedes/RB/etc. are hitting the limit and then exceeding it with the exceptions vs. Haas and Williams being under the limit including EVERYTHING.

You'll always have the front runners, the mid-field, and the back markers. I would just prefer to see less of a spread between them all.

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......my expert prognostication for the release of Netflix's Drive to Survive, Season 4, will be on Friday, 11 March.

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The Scuderia coming in with the AM style "double floor" and gills, but a very different shape.

This year is going to be so interesting with so many differing design philosophies!

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What a savings

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Maybe this will get the Brits to stop flooding every F1 discussion with their incessant whining over Max's win.

lol, who am I kidding

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We can only hope.

I have had to mute so many trends on twitter this winter because of the incessant whining. Its a bit much

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That's one heck of a scoop right there

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I can't wait to see who nailed the new regs and who didn't.

I'M SO EXCITED FOR NEXT MONTH!!!

I swear I think Rick Hendrick takes more pride in qualifying for the 500 than anything else in his life. Every year seems like they just bring powerhouses down to Daytona and DOMINATE speedweeks.

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New batch from Kyle...

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BWT goes where Otmar goes

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The King of Pink

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Let's get after it!

So damn jealous. Blake is down there somewhere running on about 2hrs of sleep, coffee and cursing...go say hi.

Also, Joey's postrace interview had me laughing last night. "Didn't think the run was coming that fast." Sooo...you took zero notes from last year? Supreeemely talented driver. Aggressive as they come and typically it pays off for him, but holy shit dude. I'm sure Roger Penske and the guys in the shop were furious.

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Trucks tonight!

Oh boy...

Glad Zane was able to pull it off in the OT run, because that was some bullshit lol

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Hooooly shit. Geoff Bodine type shit right there.

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Let's get it.

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Storms a'brewin

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But then for the first 2 races we will have this:

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Pink's back baby! It's really interesting to see all the different designs. How long does it usually take for the designs to homogenize as one clear design becomes the clear winner?

The time to 3D scan a car, or the time it takes Mercedes to email you their brake duct designs, whichever is shorter ๐Ÿ˜‰

Fuckkkkkk, someone send some burn cream for the second one

Well, looks like Russian GP is probably going to get cancelled now...

Guenther getting pulled out of the press conference was a good call. He would have gotten beat up with questions he wouldn't have been able to give answers on.

It was always bullshit that F1 allowed HAAS to race the Russian flag as their livery when their rules outright forbid state sponsorship and nationalism. F1 and HAAS deserve all the criticism they are going to receive coming out of this.

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Looks like Andretti might be able to buy an existing F1 team after all!

/s... kind of.

You joke but that's exactly where my mind went when I read about this earlier today.

The US based F1 team being run by Russia, outside of all the jokes that creates, is actually really bad for F1 because it alienates the US base from their own team. If you could bring in Andretti to buy/run it and have it be a legitimate US based team with all that entails, it very well could end up being the best case for all parties involved.

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... HAAS to race the Russian flag as their livery...

I was today years old when I realized this.

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It was to get around the Russian flag ban by CAS (same reason Russia competed under "ROC" at the Olympics).

As a true slap in the face, Haas denied it vehemently, and just stated it was being (American) patriotic with a red-white-and-blue livery. This was obviously BS, especially because they added a pinstripe to ensure it was visually white-blue-red (Russian flag) instead of just blue-red on white.

A lot of people were truly pissed off, including me. I've hoped for the downfall of Haas ever since.

Maybe Uralkali will get pissed off and pull their driver in retaliation. #WeCanOnlyDream

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They stripped the branding from their trucks and mobile HQ as well.

Rumor has it that Mazepin's dad met with Putin this morning as an advisor to this invasion. If so, F1 has no choice but to kick Nikita out.

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Not a rumor, but not an advisor. Putin held a summit with oligarchs to discuss crypto regulations in the same room where the security council voted to go into Ukraine. Putin went on a bit of a tangent about being forced to invade Ukraine. The oligarchs seemed very unhappy about being thereโ€”I know I wouldn't want to be on TV with Putin at the momentโ€”so their presence most likely wasn't optional.

Mazepin did privately meet with Putin two weeks ago to discuss business.

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...in the current circumstances.

That just means that if the war is over in a month and a puppet government is installed, F1 can hold the Russian Grand Prix.

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While it sounds like they are leaving themselves an out, it is being widely reported that the Russia GP is off the calendar and will be replaced by Turkey

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Good. At least they acted on the same day that war was declared.

Five wide salute at the start of the race was cool. Nascar, Goodyear, and the teams still haven't grasped the tire and wheel scenario just yet.

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Just watched that, but the short clip I saw didn't elaborate. What were they saluting?

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That Kenseth-Logano interaction was fantastic. Couldn't have scripted that.

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Great race day out here in SoCal... beautiful weather and views. Enjoyed our grandstand experience as well... good people all around. We drove the ModelX to the track (to the chagrin of my wife) which was super fun. It was nice to crank the tunes and not worry about the battery draining out. Chucking the football after the race and enjoying local IPAs while the traffic thinned out is our favorite race day tradition. Too bad my TRD boys had a rough day and of course Larson somehow won the race. The guy is so good...

Netflix released their teaser trailer for Drive to Survive, Season 4 yesterday. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsgPb-a8x4c

(Mods, can someone edit this to an embed, please? I'm at work and youtube is blocked, so I could only get the URL. Thanks!)

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Inject this straight into my veins!!! Can't wait to watch it having seen the '21 season

On another note, Lego sold out of the McLaren F1 almost instantly. How rude!

Russian Grand Prix permanently canceled and will not be rescheduled (at least for now). Noteworthy, because they were set to movefrom Sochi to Igora Drive in Saint Petersberg in 2023.

Also, lots of rumors swirling this morning that Mazespin is out. Probably inevitable after he was banned from Silverstone, but it is still very much up in the air. According to reports, sounds like Enzo Fittipaldi will be replacing him this season, with a formal announcement to be made once they can finalize details with the Brazilian.

Other juicy rumors this morning that, Haas might have been looking for a way to sever ties anyway, as it sounds like Mazespin's dad (who is also a noted Putin advisor) had threatened to pull Uralkali funding from Haas over the season because he was convinced the team was giving Mick Schumacher better equipment than his son.

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Actually cancelling the Russian GP and all future races is big news. It makes sense now that the initial response was to satisfy all of the questions and give the lawyers enough time to actually ensure that they could cancel without any issues.

I saw the rumors about Mazepin this morning and Sky seconded it with the Independent now the 3rd source that I've seen. Not going to shed a tear because it's not like he was a particularly good or well liked driver, but a rough break for sure. I'm interested in whether the Brazilian will have a seat for the full season or just until they can find someone else.

Fittipaldi is not at all a good driver. I can only imagine he's a placeholder until the conclusion of the bidding war amongst ultra-rich dads of shitty F2 drivers.

HAAS makes it official. Uralkali and Mazepin are permanently out.

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Congrats to Chandler Smith. Local boy from Pickens County GA that just won the truck race last night. Pretty cool to see on the TV.

Drive to Survive, Season 4 Trailer is out! Season drops late tonight (not sure what time). And race weekend starts tomorrow!

ยกVamos Checo!

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Love the enthusiasm, but Bahrain is next week :D

This weekend might be a DtS binge though...

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Blacksburg bounce in Bahrain?

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Phoenix baby! One of my favorites...let's get it. Got my eyes (and money) on Larson, Logano, Kes, and Chase. Sprinkled on Denny...great track (pun) record at Phoenix and is terribly due.

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Hunts brother machine to victory lane today hopefully! Side note. If you haven't been to Phoenix, do it. Great tailgating, Rattlesnake hill is pretty cool, and seeing the restarts are awesome to watch in person.

Been to Phoenix once and we drove out there while they were in the middle of construction of the new grandstand layout. TV doesn't do that backdrop justice, absolutely gorgeous. Dying to get back out for a race.

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Yep. I haven't been since the new layout. Newman was still racing the 39 so had to be close to 10 years ago I'd guess for me. Told my wife we need to go again yesterday. I eventually want to hit every track.

Excited to see how the new Atlanta is going to be. First race in person this year and no Covid restrictions should be nice.

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Sooo...are you saying that they're going to run a legitimate next gen car?

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Based on what's been coming out since the announcement, that looks like the case (except they'll put actual lights on the car).

Terribly curious what engine package they'll use. If it's a Hendrick Chevy, surely they're working pretty close with Corvette on something. If they run a normal Cup engine it'll kick the bucket not even 1/3 thru the event lol

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Absolutely massive weekend ahead

The IMSA/WEC super weekend at Sebring (with bonus announcement of a Cup car at LeMans next year).

NASCAR at the newly reconfigured Atlanta with the red (not double yellow line) rule.

Indycar at Texas.

F1 finally gets their season going in Bahrain.

Lots of local tracks getting their seasons underway too.

I am so pumped for tomorrow. 11am start of the F1 season which, admittedly, I haven't kept up much with, but am excited to see them get out there and let it all hang. All leading into the Cup boys taking on the new Atlanta layout (which, if you're not deep in to Nascar is excusable to not know what's happening there). For those who didn't watch the trucks and Xfinity dudes today, it's a faux superspeedway now. They repaved for the first time since the mid to late 90s when they reconfigured the track (not diving into the book this late for exact dates). In doing so, they cut the racing surface by about +-20ft, increased the banking in the turns 4-5 degrees to 29 degrees, and are running the superspeedway engine package. They're stacking it up. Superficially? Maybe. But that place was on life support. They've slapped their proverbial wiener on the table....after today, and a sellout crowd coming tomorrow, I expect fireworks.

Let it rip. Have a day, everyone!

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Has Mercedes engine dominance come to an end with all the Merc supplied teams struggling? Have Merc led themselves down a dead end design path with their vertical side pods. Will Ferrari be able to fight down the stretch against RB. Will RB walk away with it all this year as their race pace advantage suggests? Is Haas truly in the mix to fight in the midfield? Will bottas lead alfa from backmarkers to contenders? What happened to McLaren?!?!

So much to look forward to this F1 season!

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Absolutely fantastic racing between LeClerc and Verstappen in laps 15-20. Kudos to the designers of the new F1 car. This is what I'm sure they were hoping for.

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And way to go Checo with the fastest lap...on MEDIUM tires!

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Gotta think this was the absolute worst case scenario for RB this weekend. 3/4 of the RB powered cars had engine failures. Engines simply don't look capable of performing at peak levels for the full length of a GP. Could be a banner year for Ferrari power (looking at you Haas).

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

Looks like the Merc engine is hot garbage as well, as 5 of the bottom 6, outside of the RedBull DNFs were using Merc engines, and by far the most notable of that bunch being the McLaren who surprisingly look to have the worst car in the field this year by a solid 3 seconds a lap

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Second-worst* car.

Williams is the worst. McLaren gambled with harder compounds than Williams and still split them, while also having the 12th and 16th fastest laps (Williams having 18th and 20th). Aston Martin might also be in contention for second-worst, depending on how well Seb can get the car to perform.

What a weird season this is going to be...

I dunno, Lando looked visibly shaken with just how awful the MCL36 was to drive in the postrace. Outright said it was frustrating to struggle with the car all weekend and the moment he had a lap he was happy with, he looked up to see his was 3 seconds off the pace. Just absolutely brutal for a team that was battling with Ferrari 3 months ago.

At a certain point, I wonder if the absolute mess that the Merc engine is this year is going to push them to moving forward with the rumored partnership with Audi/Porsche. They're never going to win by using a Merc engine when Merc is a constructor themselves, and they've had a good run with Porsche in the past. Who knows.

Speaking of Merc... I know Lewis was on the podium yesterday, but boy they are way off the pace. If RB can get just a little more reliability in their engines, Merc is a midfield team this year. The fact that all other Merc supplied cars were at the back likely shows there isn't much more room for improvement from the Silver Arrows. Who knows, but definitely an eye opening weekend, in the wrong ways for them, that's for sure.

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RB stated that their issues were related to fuel pump problems. That doesn't sound like a difficult fix for them.

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You do have to wonder if it is just the engine issues or if some of it is really all on McLaren. Remember, they were horrible for a couple years with the Honda Engine, blamed it all on Honda and switched to Renault, then RB changes to Honda from Renault and they start crushing it, and McLaren was still crap. They did have a great year last year, but have not really been consistent at all.

Even in IndyCar, which should theoretically be much easier to put together a car given their resources, they are still known as the hardest car to drive on the grid.

Merc will get the engine issues figured out, they did still finish 3-4 after both RB cars DNF'd so its not they they have fallen down to midfield or something.

It is nice to see Ferrarri do well in the first race, and 3 way constructers title plus maybe a 3rd title contender with Leclerec joining Lewis and Max in the fight this year will be amazing.

500 miles is a lot of miles. I'm about of the opinion that outside of Dega, Daytona, and the 600, and Southern 500, no race should be more than 400 miles at this point.

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Just got back from the race and I was super pleased. Great tailgating weekend, got to talk to Chase for a second, and got my first sunburn of the year from being dumb. Wouldn't changed a thing.

I'm not sure how everyone remembers Atlanta, but I thought this one was way better than the old track where it was follow the leader on many of the races or a random pit strategy won it.

On a side note, something has to change with the blown tires.

That was an exclusively non-Hendrick Chevrolet problem. My guess is a bit of rear end setup magic that pushed the envelope just a little too far

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Yeah much better than the old setup, where if whoever got the jump on the restart would sail off into 1 and be unreachable by the exit of 2. Only thing I would change is the distance. Idk how it felt in the stands, but holy smokes it felt like a 10hr race at the house lol 3hrs before the end of stage 2. Just thankful it wasn't a boring 4.5hr race.

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It felt like the longest race I've ever been to and I've done the Coke 600 and Southern 500. But it was great weather and many more fans than I can remember in the past 5 or so years.

This F1 situation is evolving rapidly

Update

Teams and drivers were literally threatened with being detained by Saudi agents if they didn't race

Part of this information involved the possible consequences of not racing, such as how easily teams and drivers would be able to leave the country if the race did not happen.

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Unfortunately I'm not at all shocked considering (consults TKP community guidelines) shall we say... past events in the country. ๐Ÿง๐Ÿค”

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What a mess with the Saudi GP and yesterday's attack. Can't say that I'm surprised that there were certain threats by SA to keep the race going. I'll be interested to see what happens once the teams leave SA and aren't muzzled anymore.

As for the race...Hamilton out in Q1??? Looks like Ferrari still has a rocket and Red Bull isn't too far behind. I'm really hoping that KMag has another great race and that Norris can get into the points.

Damn I hope Mick is ok. The feed showed no replays and stayed far away from his car. 170+ mph sideways into a wall. Drivers said it last year too, this is not a safe track

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I'm really interested to see what's said once everyone from the teams is out of Saudi Arabia. It sounds like everyone is biting their tongues for now.

Again, it seems like the design intent for the new F1 car is proving out, as there was some GREAT racing in the Saudi Arabian GP this weekend. The racing between Verstappen and LeClerc over the last several laps was amazing, as were several other battles over the course of the race (Alonzo/Ocon stood out to me).

I feel bad for Checo, though, with the ill-timed pit before the caution. What Latifi giveth, Latifi taketh away as well.

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The SKY announcers have been all over it and they're right. Lead drivers actually have to work at holding their lead this year, as they can't just park it and let dirty air hold challengers at bay. The racing itself has been great.

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Unfortunately the SKY production team keeps dicking the dog. The stupid replays this weekend in the middle of some awesome battles was maddening. You had the battle up front but they didn't show shit about the battle between Ocon and Norris for 6th.

I don't think that's the SKY production team. That's the F1 feed. They've commented on that on-air, that they wish the F1 feed would go back to the live action.

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IIRC, F1 produces and directs the on-track video feed, and the broadcasters (SKY) put their own commentary on top. The exception being Monaco, who have their own director (the reason for the notably awful coverage every year at that race).

Ahhh, I just thought that F1 pumped out a bunch of feeds and the different broadcasters put together the show. In that case, F1, fix your shit.

Agreed. Great race between Max & LeClerc yesterday, but at the expense of Checo. Poor guy got hit by the curse and couldn't break it. I was really surprised by the back-to-back issues with Danny Ric, Alonso, & Bottas. 3 different teams and 3 different powerplants all crapped out in roughly the same lap.

We'll see if Williams changes, but it would appear that whereas Haas has managed to produce a pretty good midfield car, Williams is still a backmarker.

Oh, and I am seriously thinking about putting together a coffee table book containing Guenther's more...colorful...quotes.

Did you see his recent one? STTEO "Last year I would've fucked the whole paddock for some points!"

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There have been some excellent battles thus far in these first 2 races!

Really seems like RB have the most power, Ferrari the most complete package, and Merc still...figuring it out?

I'm hopeful that Merc will be able to turn it around by Imola to get competitive and push the Scuderia and RB teams. Seems the porpoising is the major hurdle (which is now believed to be more of a suspension issue rather than purely aerodynamic). Having to run much higher than top teams, which is preventing them from unlocking any real performance. New floor supposedly next week in Australia, maybe that will help, with another major upgrade once the European run starts. It is fun watching them struggle a little bit.

Also, the Fernando/Ocon battle was great to see, although kind of screwed the team as it allowed those behind to catch up and eventually pass.

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I'm honestly not convinced that Merc is going to be able to figure it out, because their power unit looks to be complete garbage. There's a reason that the bulk of the bottom of the grid in qualifying is Merc right now, despite the wide variety of chassis designs those teams have. The engine is just crap, and it has to be worrying that they are just so far behind everyone else. The silver arrows might be able to establish themselves as the best of the midfield, but I'm really doubtful that they'll be able to challenge either Ferrari or RedBull this year. The gap is just so large right now.

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Agreed, but I'll reserve judgment until we get 1/4 of the way through the season. I think it's pretty damning on the Merc PU that the bottom 3 teams are all using it and obviously can't match the pace.

F1 coming to Vegas next season. Street circuit, on the strip. At night. On a Saturday (first since 1985).

Going to be insane.

I wonder at what point the F1 market in America becomes overly saturated. We now have Austin, Miami and Las Vegas. Austin still sold out this year, even with Miami. Miami sold out, even with tickets starting at $1,800/ea. Will be interesting to see how this works longer term. I'm sure Austin is glad to have their 4-year contract wrapped up.

As someone who works with a bunch of F1 addicts they want more circuits in the US as its so hard to get tickets to the limited events with the sheer numbers of people going now a days.

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Something like 400,000 people for Austin last year and Miami sold out in minutes. And Vegas could legitimately blow those numbers away given they'll be racing down the strip.

And, given the size of the US you could argue we still need at least one more race before you even consider market saturation. You could include Indy and still not overlap any of the current tracks, to be honest.

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The prices for US GPs are so high, it would legitimately be cheaper in some cases to fly to Montreal or some of the European countries for a race. Then you get the added bonus of a nice vacation added on as well.

Yea, it's unfortunate. I'd pay that much money to go see the Hokies pay in the National Championship or the Giants in the Super Bowl (hahahahahahaha...*sob*) but not for an F1 race.

That sounds like it could be an amazing venue with some iconic photos. Looking forward to seeing the layout.

As to your second point, I really hope that F1 doesn't start chasing the US viewership and cancelling races in other countries to load up the US. One thing I actually like about F1 is that it spans the globe and I'd hate to see that change (unless it's taking races away from the Middle East).

I think that F1 should focus more on increasing the viewership levels within the US and seeing about getting a US driver on the circuit. As nationalistic as this country can be, a team with a half-decent US driver would probably be flush with cash so long as they had a PR/merchandising dept. that could keep up.

Replace Jeddah and Sochi with Miami and Vegas. Seems easy enough to me

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That's fine with me. What I don't want is for there to be more and more races in the US vs. traditional tracks.

Uhh yeah, I don't like the thought that they were threatening to remove Spa, Monza, or Suzuka from the rotation. If you ask me, I'd love for them to add Hockenheim back as well to go along with Imola.

At the same time, I wouldn't be terribly upset if Miami or Vegas takes the place of Monaco. Don't get me wrong, love the location, but the race itself sucks. If they could eventually move Miami to their original location (around the hotels and across the bridge to the cruise terminals) that location alone could be epic, and... I mean the Vegas strip, come on.

As an aside, the rumored track for Vegas looks like it could produce some great racing. Long straights ending with tight corners should produce a good race. And, I reiterate, its along the Vegas Strip at night.

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Agree wholeheartedly. This is only my second season watching, but I don't want to remove the more iconic courses. I'm also ok with Monaco going away, but I'd be surprised if it did. The cars are just too big now for competitive racing there.

The strip...at night...that will be amazing.

As nationalistic as this country can be, a team with a half-decent US driver would probably be flush with cash so long as they had a PR/merchandising dept. that could keep up.

Enter Team Andretti in 2024.

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The race will take place at 10pm PT... 1am ET. Wow, that's... interesting.

Went to Vegas for the first time this past weekend. The strip has to be one of the busiest roads I've ever seen. Idk how they'll basically shut down the main road in that city, but damn it's gonna look cool as hell. 1am ET start time is...something. Guess they're trying to capture the viewers on the other side of the planet.

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yeah that seems odd to me, I wonder if it was supposed to read 10PM ET, 7PM PT

That would make much more sense.

Nope, 10pm PT to make it a live 7am in the UK (and later morning hours for the rest of Europe).

It's also rumored to be the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend, so people will be more apt to stay up for it in America.

Looks like we're going to have some company in the campground at Martinsville next week. This is great to see!

Lfggg. Not confirmed, but when was the last time they sold out the campground, 2005-2006 range?

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Windy night for modifies at Richmond

Australian GP is on this weekend. Sunday at 0100.

Yes, that's 1am Sunday morning.

Ugh.

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Correct. I'll ignore Reddit in the AM and watch it when I wake up.

I think that's going to be my plan as well.

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MARTINSVILLE WEEK IS UPON US

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Saw in the Twitterverse that Coach Pry was at Richmond this weekend. Anybody share a Busch Latte w/ him?

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Lots of smoke around a possible McLaren Racing purchase by Audi being announced as early as this week. Apparently, Audi has upped their bid to โ‚ฌ650million, up from โ‚ฌ400million. This would specifically be for the F1 team, but I would assume it would include all their properties, including their consumer division as well as Indy and Extreme series.

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I saw that too. Is the McLaren team owned by them or is it something like Mercedes where it's a partnership?

So McLaren is no more and turns into Audi? Or would it become a subsidiary of Audi which is itself a subsidiary of VW?

Thats a good question, and there are very little details out there right now. With that said, if this all happens, it would make sense that Audi would treat McLaren in the same way that they treat all their brands right now in that, it would be owned by Audi but allowed to effectively be their own entity in the marketplace, much like Porsche, Lambo, VW, Bugatti, Bentley, etc.

What would make this very interesting is that Porsche are rumored to have recently agreed to be the powertrain supplier of RedBull starting in 2026. Should that happen, and should Audi then purchase McLaren, does this mean that Audi would have 2 powertrains in F1, or would the Porsche brand then be applied to McLaren, who then becomes the works team for the Audi group, and then provides powertrains to RedBull.

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I would imagine the deal would be similar to that of Williams, owned and operated by Audi but maintain the McLaren name. With how historic the McLaren name is in F1, I can't see them giving it up. But then again, $$$ talks. We'll see what happens if this real.

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I'm thinking we could see a rebirth of the McLaren-Porsche partnership that Senna one drove for in the MP4s. Just seems natural for Audi to lean into that rather than do their own thing.

Then again, the Audi brand is pretty big itself in racing, so who knows. Agreed about the McLaren brand needing to stay in F1. It genuinely is too iconic to go.

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Hopefully this is it for the rain tonight and we can go truck racing!

Also quite the line of vehicles getting in...

And now the Sun's out.

Anyone in Martinsville tonight?

Duhhh?

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Well that's a given...hahahaha!

Xfinity race tonight

That was wild... overtime to come...

It is my birthday. Who wants to hook me up with suite tickets for this Martinsville race tonight?

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

I'm just now seeing this...I am genuinely sorry.

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Just got back from the xfinity race. Rain right after the command. Other than that, great race. Ty Gibbs is an animal.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

This is wild!

Left a bit early to avoid the traffic hold at the end. Watching on TV now. That wreck was insane, JR motorsports will be fighting at the team meeting on Monday. Looking forward to tomorrow night as well.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

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OMG

We did the same, left around lap 210. With the cautions and red flag I was able to watch the final restart and shitstorm in my driveway in Stokesdale lol getting there (hopefully) around 4 this afternoon, gonna try and swing thru the campground and say howdy.

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Oh my God. Ty Gibbs just landed a combo.

Cheap shots from Ty. Throwing punches while your helmet is still on is a weak look.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

We just got back to the camper....This was an incredible end to this race!

Update: I'm very excited. 400 laps is going to fly by...maybe.

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If tonight is anything like last night I'll be ecstatic. I wish I was there this time around but a much larger travel day over when I was at Tech. Hope y'all enjoy it!

Christian Darrisaw is a "race official" tonight! They just walked him across the stage...threw up the "VT" hand thingy in his photo!

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Man kind of two boring races this weekend, imo

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After the rain delay the race got going pretty late and it seemed some drivers struggled with the new car. I was surprised Denny was so bad. Race got pretty lackluster and I fell asleep. Luckily woke up for overtime but wasn't overly excited this time around. Sounds like drivers had their hands full though.

That was a pretty awesome race yesterday. Looks like Leclerc is everything that Ferrari had hoped he would be now that they've got a good car for him although tough go for the team with Sainz having those issues at the start and then spinning off into the gravel so early.

Red Bull has got their hands full with that power unit. Max's 2 DNFs in 3 races are a bad look but as Christian said after the race, better to improve the reliability of a fast engine than try to make a dog of an engine faster. Even though there have been comebacks from this far back, they don't have long though to figure it out though before they're out of contention for both the WCC and the WDC if the Ferrari stays as dominant as it's been thus far.

I think Albon should have gotten DotD. 57 laps on a set of hards with no appreciable drop-off on pace is a pretty impressive feat.

This is turning into a pretty fun year so far, even if my relative experience is minimal. Tighter following and better racing all around.

I mean at this point, the WDC is down to Leclerc vs Max with Max now needing that Ferrari engine to completely melt down over the remainder of the season and the WCC is essentially Ferrari's to lose. I don't see the Merc engine making enough strides the rest of the way for either Merc or McLaren to really get into anything more than sorting out the best of the midfield this season, but it does look like things might be settled in enough that they aren't completely screwed when the component freeze hits like it appeared could be the case a few weeks ago.

It was good to see the double points by McLaren. They've made some big strides the last few weeks, which pretty much just means that Ric coming down with COVID during presesason testing really screwed them over for the first couple races.

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You don't think the Merc has enough to get into striking distance of Red Bull? Their pace wasn't up to Ferrari but neither was Red Bull's and there's wasn't a huge gap between the Mercs and Max/Checo.

I'm definitely glad to see McLaren in double points but Norris is on the record as saying that Albert Park was perfect for the car and that they'd expect to see the same issues that they saw in Bahrain and Jeddah as they move back to Europe. Maybe that's some of the gamesmanship, but Norris is usually a pretty straight shooter.

Regarding Merc catching RB? Only if the RB power unit remains unreliable. If RB can get that figured out (and I strongly suspect they will, as it sounds like its all been related to the fuel lines rather than the engine itself) then I don't think Merc will catch them. I do not believe Merc can catch Ferrari this year, and think the only ones who could are RedBull.

As for McLaren, possibly. They definitely have a lot of braking issues, which isn't something that would have bothered them in Australia, but it did show the rest of the package is up to par. They have their work cut out, but I wouldn't bet against them figuring it out sometime soon.

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Fair points. RB has 1 race over the course of 3.5 weeks to get things figured out so the chances are pretty good that they can have it sorted out by Catalunya. I'm interested to know whether or not Hamilton was told not to challenge Russell or couldn't catch him (it sounded like the former).

I'm hoping that McLaren can be best of the rest with Merc in 4th and it doesn't look like Alpine is that far off the pace for that either. Kinda surprised that Haas wasn't there after the success that KMag had in the first two races.

I like that Albon was able to pit and only dropped from 7th to 10th, so he was able to stay in the points. But why was he required to pit in the first place? That seems like a stupid rule, especially since he'd completed 57/58 laps on one set of tires, at a decent race pace.

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The rule is there to force teams to be strategic in their race planning. Why the teams have to use two DIFFERENT kinds of tire is kinda silly to me.

That said, I think (based of my limited exposure to the sport) that it's unusual for a tire to last the entire race without experiencing a severe decrease in performance. Hell, based on Baku last year, some of the tires didn't even make it the entire predicted lifespan (Max & Lance having their tires explode). I think it just shows that Albon drove a pretty spectacular race to manage the tires that well and not encounter pace issues.

Technically, pit stops aren't mandatory. What's mandatory is using two tire compoundsโ€”unless it's wet (at which point you no longer have to pit).

After F1 banned refueling (for safety)โ€”at a time when tires were so good they could last through the entire raceโ€”Bernie saw a lot of the strategy go out the window and knew it would be bad for the sport, so they introduced the forced pit stop. By requiring two different compounds you A) effectively force the pit and B) introduce an extra element of strategy with potential compound mismatches between rivals. Watching someone on softs desperately trying to overtake someone on mediums before their tires die off is more interesting than everyone on hards in a race-long procession.

Bad morning for Ferrari.

Talladega! Let's gooooooo!!!

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Glad McLaren got back on the podium. After the first couple races it was starting to look like a grim season. Though, Danny Ric looks like a complete mess out there

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I thiiink I can give him a break on the lap one fuck up. Looking at the spray the guys in the back were taking on those early laps, I can understand how that could happen...other than that...kinda how he's been the past few years ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Agreed. Great to see Norris on the podium even if it came at Leclerc's expense. Really wish that Bottas had gotten past Russell and that KMag hadn't dropped so far. I'm crossing my fingers that Danny Ric gets his shit together and contributes more than a few points here and there, otherwise McLaren is stuck with him through next season.

Looks like it's gonna be a good season between RB & Ferrari.

Am I the only one that wouldn't be sad if Imola drops off the schedule given the infusion of new tracks to F1?

I'll admit, I don't have much of an appreciation for the history of the sport. So other than history, why should I want a track that seems so averse to passing? We already have Monaco on the schedule.

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Also, the gravel seems a bit too punishing. Had Sainz been able to drive out of it, he should've ended up pacing well. No reason for him having to retire due to being forced off the track in the first lap. That's just too brutal a penalty.

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Yowza, that stings!

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Talladega was awesome. Amazed at the speeds they were finally able to pull off. 182mph pole lap then hitting 197 in the final laps. It's not what it used to be, but that's still hauling some serious ass. Me, my brother in law and a couple of our friends are planning on my dad's 60th down there next fall. Basically, everyone's on "Operation: no babies in this time period."

Sainz: that sucked. Then Leclerc shit the bed after his final pitstop. Blew my mind he was able to keep in the points.

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I mean, he had a solid 15-20 seconds on Lando for 3rd and Lando had a solid 8 seconds on Russell for 4th. That's how much better the RedBull and Ferrari cars are when they're running. Even Lando was joking in the cool down room that Leclerc should have stayed out after the crash because he probably still would have been faster than the McLaren, and there might actually have been a little truth to that.

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Just with how finicky those cars are, I figured one hitting a turtle shell and launching it 3ft in the air, that certainly he wouldn't keep speed lol

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Any TKPer's at the Miami GP this weekend? My wife and I are have tix for the whole weekend and just finished the first day. What a blast!

That's awesome, i want to know what is going on with the beds on the made up beach in several of the corners. Who thought of that? I'm guessing condoms are for sale somewhere on site like at nascar races.

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I'll have to get back to you on that one ๐Ÿ˜œ. Our seats are on the outside of the track right across from the beach area.

I'm almost afraid to ask how much that cost, or how much things cost in the area. But I am curious. ;^)

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Any bets people like for this weekend? I have Russell for podium. Who y'all got for qualifying, points, outright?

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I would not bet Russell for podium! Hahaha bottas seems like a good bet too. Maybe sainz to crash out.

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He's finished Top 5 in every single race so far (yes, I know, SSS), and from there, it doesn't take but a slip up or mechanical failure to make the podium. It's not a bad bet, really.

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I was just talking more after qualifying. He got super lucky with the safety car to get that far up.

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Point.

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I bet before quali, I think after fp1 when he was 2nd. I mean it's not like I'm being a lot of money

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Fair enough, my comment was more tongue and cheek after qualifying and with sainz crashing a lot lately

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Has Sainz crashed in competition outside of last race with Ricc? I was disappointed in his race, he couldn't keep pace with the leaders and although he kept Checo at bay he couldn't pull away.

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Crashed out in Australia by himself, crashed with Ricciardo at Imola, and I think crashed in at least 2 of those practices as well. Has been a rough month or so for him.

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Had a couple people ask me my thoughts on Logano's move...love it. He's a super aggressive dude. This is a super aggressive but also super finesse track. He did exactly what he had to do to win, which is something he hasn't been close to doing all year. Don't like the guy, but love the move.

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That wasn't a move, he just flat out wrecked him. Bump and run or getting someone lose is one thing; wrecking them is another. Cheap move when he probably could've passed the 24 cleanly, but that's Joey.

I too think he would have passed the 24 cleanly. It looked like he had the momentum. But maybe he didn't see it that way (wink, wink) and did a hard bump and run for the win. I have nothing against Byron, and I don't dislike Joey, but you're right, that's just Joey. A little driver controversy never hurt the sport. I wouldn't mind seeing a few more confrontations.

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Byron and Kenseth are about to have a call in the future haha.

I don't hate the move, but Joey having done it before is what I think is getting folks riled up more. Either way the set up for retaliation is there and extra eyes were drawn to Nacsar. A net positive to me.

I didn't have a problem with it at all. The 24 flat out drove him into the fence on the last restart so turnabout is fair play.

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As stated on the clip above, my problem is that it wasn't some atrocious move Byron made running him up a bit. Hell I hope everyone has seen the Busch Craven finish there. Electric stuff.

It could've set up for a better finish if raced differently. And Joey always claims to be the victim. But makes for good entertainment and gets Nascar in the news.

Interesting race this weekend. The producers really pumped up the Miami scene, both around the track and with shots of the city. Great start with Verstappen getting ahead of Sainz at the first turn. We had some good strategy calls with the Virtual Safety Car: both Russell staying out until the VSC dropped and Perez pitting under the VSC before the Safety Car bunched up the race. Good explanation by Horner that Verstappen had just passed the pit line when the VSC came out, and luckily for him the two Ferraris stayed out too, I wasn't sure why anybody stayed out, so I'm glad they put him on camera. Interesting slow pit stop by Norris that put him back out right in the midst of the DRS train, which ultimately screwed him. Had two races for podium positions right up to the end, which was exciting as all get out, even though both trailers were juuust a bit underpowered at the end. And what was with the decision to have the podium on the other side of the stadium? Yeah, having it over the statue of Marino was nice, but not worth all the extra time to get them there.

Is it just me, or are we seeing a lot of DRS-train-type bunching up in the latter part of the midfield this year? Is this just a consequence of the new car design (good enough to get close but not good enough to pass), or is that just the last two tracks that are hard to pass on?

Oh, and FUCK YOU to the producers to have Hamilton and Tom Brady interview, and showing scenes of the 28-3 Super Bowl. STILL NOT OVER THAT!

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Not gonna lie. That ended up being a better race than I thought it was going to be. The Safety Car definitely helped in getting the field bunched back up, but even before then there was a lot more passing and side by side racing in this one than most races in recent memory. That track is surprisingly competitive, it could be a surprise banger of a race every year if things continue like this going forward.

3 observations.

1 - the Merc engine is problematic. Even with Merc having basically everything possible going their way, they still finished significantly behind RB and Ferrari. And, lets be honest, with the PU freeze coming, they have their work cut out for them in terms of getting to a competitive position, because they're very much on the verge of putting themselves out of it for the next 5 years. And if that happens, I wouldn't be shocked if McLaren goes shopping again.

2 - Its 100% down to Red Bull vs Ferrari this year, and Ferrari needs to be careful because RB looks like they have it figured out. If they really do have the raw speed advantage we saw this weekend along with the lack of porpoising, they're going to be very tough to beat, especially with the high speed tracks coming.

3 - McLaren has an awful day. That slow pit stop for Lando pretty much ruined any chance he had at points, and then Gasley completely going full Stroll with his situational awareness took them out. And Ric still struggling with that team is very much not a good sign going forward. Massively disappointing result for them.

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Some of the more expert analysis puts the Merc engine about 20 BHP down from the top two. Not the greatest position to be in for them and customers, however not completely insurmountable given that the ICE portion is frozen but they have a few weeks (2nd homologation deadline is Sept 1) to work on the electronics side. Unfortunately, all the other teams will be working on it too.

I think their Aero is what's hurting them more, though. We saw in Miami that there's flashes of this Merc being extremely competitive (FP1 and FP2), even with a power deficit. They brought some minor tweaks this week that kind of crawled them back to their original starting position, with a large floor upgrade planned in Barcelona.

Definitely a 2 horse (or a Horse and Bull) race for the championship this year, with Merc comfortably taking 3rd. RB bought some big updates a couple races ago that have propelled them a bit, the Scuderia has waited and will bring major upgrades at Barcelona as well. These next couple of races is really going show what the true competitive order of the grid will be, once all the teams have gotten their major upgrades in. The cost cap is going to come in to play soon I'm sure. One thing is for certain though, the straight line speed of the RB is not to be fucked with.

Definitely feel for the Papaya boys, got pretty unlucky in this one. Alpine quietly had a great day, albeit ALO getting the time penalty for messing up multiple people's races. And Albon dragging that Williams into the points!

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We saw in Miami that there's flashes of this Merc being extremely competitive (FP1 and FP2), even with a power deficit.

Given how far that car has consistently been off the pace in every race this year, I'm not sure I can put much weight into what they did in FP1 and FP2. For all we know they could have been testing low fuel times on grippy tires trying to get those quick laps for possible sponsorship purposes (McLaren has been known to do that from time to time). Once its time for Sprint or Race, they aren't even close to the top, and it takes some luck for them to gap the midfield

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It's a fair point, they've never been anywhere near that level of pace in ANY session thus far this season. It's possible they were running a higher engine mode than others at the time.

I think it's more that the tweaks have brought them back comfortably in 3rd. There was an interesting graphic on the average lap time gap to leader over the races thus far, and it was clear that Merc fell further behind after the first race while other teams improved. I think what they showed in Miami kind of leapfrogged them back to where they started and are maintaining that same gap we saw from the beginning, which is actually a pretty decent improvement. It shows that their correlation and models/simulations are on the right track, which could potentially bode well for the supposed floor upgrade being brought in Barcelona. The big question is will it be enough to as everyone else is bringing updates as well in the next few races.

Then again, this could all be track dependent. F1 has so many variables.

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It was a surprisingly better race than I was expecting although I feel bad for Lando. Just a poor call to bring him in when there's a chance that he's going to end up in the middle of a battle and lose because his tires aren't up to temp.

As for the venue itself...not surprised by everything, after all, it is Miami. The post race interviewer was god awful and should never be allowed to interview again. It sounded like he was struggling to form the sentences or that he was getting them piped into his ear and couldn't understand them. So awkward. The police escort was stupid and the football helmets...I mean, the Dolphins haven't been relevant since the 70s/80s and the U has been a shell of itself for the last 2 decades.

Looking forward to Spain and seeing what upgrades Ferrari bring. The RB is fast, but a stock Ferrari vs. an upgrade RB is good racing, can't wait to see what happens when they've both been upgraded.

Albon in the Williams is having a great season thus far and really goes to show how bad Latifi really is. Be interested to see what happens with the driver lineup as the season goes on. Williams has said they don't need his money anymore, wonder who they'll get...?

Haas had a good showing and then some bad luck at the end set them back. Good to see them actually competitive this year vs. the mess that was last year.

Did you see the grid walk? Brundle mistaking Banchero for Mahomes was one of the most wonderfully awkward moments I've watched play out in real time. He's just so out of his element in the US that its hysterical to watch. And the kicker is that he's desperately trying to find a notable athlete not even realizing Dwayne Wade passed him 2 or 3 times in the minutes surrounding.

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It was hilarious, and also a touch sad they threw him out there like that. If ESPN is paying as much as they are for Sky Sports broadcast, let some ESPN personalities do this. I did love the DJ Khaled moment. It was great.

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Just watched it. My god that whole thing was a hilarious train wreck.

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The grid walk is spectacular must-watch chaos regardless. Without celebrities it's great, but add in American sports celebrities and Brundle gives an A+++ performance. It's beautiful.

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Agreed on the post-race interviewer. Absolutely atrocious. Who was he, anyways? I never heard, and he never turned his face to the camera.

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Not a very successful or long career.

Yesterday was the first time I've watched an F1 race. The pomp and circumstance was fun but I thought the race was boring until the yellow bunched up the field. Also, I didn't understand the rules. What was the DRS stuff?

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No fault of your own but not a super exciting track to introduce you to F1.

DRS is the drag reduction system, a slot in the rear wing that opens at predetermined places on the track when a car is within 1 second of the car in front. The advantage is less drag, thus more speed, and it promotes overtaking. Because of the aerodynamics for the cars throwing out so much turbulent/dirty air, this is/was a way to promote and ensure closer racing.

F1 cars have grown in length and width significantly over the last decade, so they could always shrink them back down too... as some of the historic tracks from the early days of F1 are much too narrow for 2 wide racing throughout

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It's more interesting if you watch Drive to Survive and bet on the race. The broadcast could definitely benefit from some split screen action.

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Definitely one of the more interesting Spanish Grand Prix in recent memory. Chuck (lol) Leclerc looked unstoppable before his DNF. Word is that engine is now unusable which spells trouble since that was already his 2nd. Ferrari might be in reliability trouble.

Max with the weight reduction upgrades looked very strong, however part of that weight reduction caused issues with his DRS.

Merc looked to take a step forward. Absolutely killer drive from HAM and some solid defense by RUS. With their 2nd engine they topped the speed traps and looked SO much better. From what Toto has said their 3rd engine will be even better. Will be interesting now they have the bouncing solved (still some bouncing in the high speed corners) what sort of performance upgrades they can bring. They are behind in that regard since all of their dev has been focused on solving the porpoising.

Norris showing some serious grit to pull through with his tonsillitis. Our boy RIC though...damn where has he gone?

Double points for Alpine.

Tsunoda has really improved this year in AT. I know Gasly has gotten a bit unlucky but I don't think that detracts for just how far TSU has come so far this year.

Aston...lol. Copied RB and still can't manage.

Bottas still showing where Alfa is capable. He is carrying that team.

Williams...oof. Apparently Albon had floor damage an ruined his race.

Haas...another oof. But who knows where MAG may have placed without his Lap 1 incident with HAM....

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Apparently the big reason Sainz didn't just run away from the Merc was that he was dealing with a damaged floorboard from when he went off earlier. That said, the Mercs all but going into limp mode at the end to prevent DNFs isn't that great of a sign for them going forward.

The Red Bulls just look dominant this year. Every race Max has seen the checkered flag he's won. He went off early in the race and still managed to cruise to a win.

As much as SKY is really, really trying to hype up a 3 horse battle in the title race, it really is down to Ferrari and Red Bull, Charles and Max. Everything else is just noise from the media conglomerates desperate for a Brit to be in the chase.

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He went off early in the race and still managed to cruise to a win.

And had DRS issues!

Yea RB look crazy quick. I agree Sky is hyping a 3 horse race for the title. In all likelihood that ship has sailed for Merc if you're just looking at this season. But for this engine/aero era (till '25/26), it bodes well that their reliability upgrades can bring them back into it. It shows that this Merc engine has the horses in it, just needs to be unlocked. There's no real limit to the upgrades that can be brought to the engines for reliability (outside of the grid penalties for exceeding the allotted engines). I expect that towards the end of the season, Merc will be at least sniffing a race win or 2.

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I'll absolutely agree with that. Its definitely looking like the Merc engine might not be the complete tire fire that we expected it to be at the beginning of the season, but its still not really on pace with the Ferrari or RB. I mean, Leclerc would have almost lapped the field if his PU didn't blow up, and the Merc was really competitive with Sainz only because his floor board was damaged wrecking his downforce. They could not keep up with either RB.

I think the only way that Merc pulls a win this year is if Ferrari and RB take each other out of a race, like what happened when McLaren went 1-2 in Monza last year. The gap between Merc and the others isn't as big as it used to be, but it is still pretty big.

Also, given what is happening this year, I do wonder how much McLaren is still suffering because Ric was out with COVID during the preseason Barcelona testing. That put them on the back foot from the beginning, and they seem to still be trying to figure out issues that should have been resolved during those sessions.

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That was a pretty great race, all things considered. Ya gotta feel bad for Chucky though, the guy can't catch a break sometimes and I'm sure he's having nightmares with Monaco coming up and last years (and this year's) issues there. I don't think that Ferrari has engine issues unless they start to incur some serious cost problems. Mercedes showed last year that the penalty for swapping engines doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme so long as you've got a fast car.

Red Bull has a good car but man, they need to get the DRS issue figured out. Max could have passed Russell much sooner if not for the problems that presented. Checo had another brilliant race and I don't know what more RB needs to see him do to give him another contract. He's a good driver, he's a great teammate, and he doesn't have any delusions about who he is or what his role is. He's there to drive and get paid.

Merc looked good but limping across the finish line was no bueno. Russell was lucky that Bottas wasn't closer at the end.

I didn't know that Norris had tonsillitis...I just thought that he was feeling down in the dumps with how the McLaren was in general. I can't wait to get my Lego McLaren and build it.

Danny Ric is...just not good anymore. He's had 3 podiums (2x3rds & 1xWin) in the last 4 years since he left Red Bull. He was 45 points behind Norris at the end of last season and he's 28 points behind him so far with only 1/4 of the season done. Unless he pulls a miracle out of his butt, I just don't see him getting a contract extension and unless a new team starts up, I don't see him getting picked up by anyone. It's a shame because he's likable, but I don't think that he's WDC caliber anymore.

Good on Alpine. Same goes for AT. Not sure what's going on with Gasly, but Yuki is driving much better this year.

Aston is a shit show. Roll out the Green RB and still manage to fuck it up. Stroll is gonna run that team into the ground without some major changes.

Gotta love Bottas. Wish that car was a little bit faster because I think he could have gotten 4th behind the Ferrari PU.

Williams is a hot mess. Albon is DRAGGING that car through the races and Latifi is a joke of a driver.

Haas is an enigma. KMag had a bad start and obviously the car was trashed which is why he couldn't even get past Latifi. Not sure what happened to Mick though after starting in 10th and finishing in 14th. We're still early in the season and Haas hasn't really brought out any upgrades, but Mick needs to get his butt in gear quick.

I don't see him getting picked up by anyone. It's a shame because he's likable, but I don't think that he's WDC caliber anymore.

In a sport that employs Latifi, Ricciardo can't get a seat? That's just ridiculous.

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Ricc isn't a pay driver. I think he's so marketable that someone will sign him just for content purposes.

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Ben pointed it out. The only reason Latifi is on the grid is because his dad is a billionaire and bought him the Williams seat, but now that Williams has some financial backing, I'd be surprised to see him there after this year.

Ricciardo is personable and that might get him a seat, but as a driver? Unfortunately I think his best days are behind him and he doesn't have a WDC like Vettel or Alonso to help keep him in the hunt.

I could see Ric end up in NASCAR or Indy Car within the next few years if he really does flame out with McLaren. He's got the personality to really capitalize on things here in the US, and as such, he could also hop over here to enjoy the American experience that he obviously loves only to potentially join Andretti if they eventually get their F1 bid.

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He's a big Nascar fan, he wears #3 because of Dale. I wouldn't be surprised either if he tries to make the switch or a team makes a push to get him to switch. I think he ends up with Williams after McLaren though if he wants to stay in F1.

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That's some dangerous driving, man

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So I realize this thread is generally for four wheeled racing, but I thought everyone would be glad to know that there was a Hokie umbrella on the grid for the Supersport races both days for the Motoamerica round at VIR this weekend.

While the end result either day wasn't ideal, the weekend was still fun and endurance racing starts in a couple of weeks.

While I acknowledge that Hamilton is historically one of the best drivers, I'm having a harder and harder time liking the guy. His comment during the race this weekend after he and KMag bumped about how they should just give up and save the engine was incredibly bad sportsmanship. Calling KMag's maneuver "dangerous" is ludicrous, especially when you factor in some of the shit that he pulls...like punting Max into the wall last year at Silverstone. The general whining is just tiresome.

That said, ya just can't help but be impressed by the guy who ends up at the back of the back after the first lap and without the help of a safety car or red flag ends up in 6th.

I hate that everyone automatically assumes racism or anti-Brit bias or whatever when people dislike Hamilton, but I'm right there with ya. The dude just does not like having to actually race other people.

As for being impressed by his last-to-5th? Meh. Everyone thought for years that Hamilton was untouchable, until Russell got in the same car and started smoking him. I'm willing to bet that a quarter of the drivers could've done that same drive in the Mercedes.

Yeah I'm there with you. Hamilton always comes across as expecting everyone else to get out of his way because 'don't they know who I am'. Anytime someone races him hard he whines. And yet he arguably does some of the most dangerous driving on the circuit when he's under pressure. I'm still stunned he only got a slap on the wrist for punting Max like he did at Silverstone last year. He could have killed the guy with that kind of stunt and if roles were reversed I guarantee penalties would have been much different.

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To be fair to Lewis,, KMag has a reputation for aggressive driving and has pissed off a lot of people over the years. Also, Hamilton had the corner, so really I feel it was more on Magnussen.

This also gets to me about Max to be honest, as his early years he was always making super dangerous moves (moving in the braking zone, double moves under breaking) and yet he seems to always get away with it because he is the new young talent. I am not a fan of Max at all (I have been following F1 for about 10 years now) and I don't get all the love for him. To be he is just a brat, and has done and acted way worse than Lewis as ever done.

I feel like all the success for Lewis is really why all the haters are coming out now. That is just how it is on top, people want to knock you down.

It was a racing incident fair, but its also objectively true that Lewis has wrecked more people passing him on the outside than Max. Max is super aggressive, and most of the time his mistakes come when hes trying to dive bomb. Lewis consistently hits people passing him or driving away on the outside. Albon x2, Mag, and just completely missing the corner at silverstone.

I agree a lot of the hate is just due to his success, but hes also a generally sore loser and annoying personality.

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Lewis definitely had the corner and going back and watching it in slow motion it just appears that KMag just turned in a bit too much. It's wasn't an aggressive move, he just misjudged his space. My issue is with Hamilton on the radio after the pitstop saying they shouldn't even bother trying. That's just poor character, regardless of whether he's trying to play head games.

I mean, besides Yuki, Max has the most penalty points on the grid right now so it's not like he's getting away with everything. The Dutch like him because he's...Dutch. Just like if the USA had a driver on the grid, by default most US viewers would default to rooting for that person. Yea, he may be a brat because he comes from money, but he's a good driver.

The haters are probably coming out now because of the increasing popularity of F1 thanks to DTS and everyone likes to root for an underdog. I don't like Hamilton because I feel that while some of what he does is legit, a lot of it is a faรงade because he knows that a lot of his long term success is based off of his image off the track. No different than any other celebrity or sports star.

I don't like Hamilton because I feel that while some of what he does is legit, a lot of it is a faรงade because he knows that a lot of his long term success is based off of his image off the track. No different than any other celebrity or sports star.

He very much puts up a strong PR front, and I strongly think its coming direct from the Merc HQ to do it. And I say that because George Russell might be one of the most robotic PR drones that has entered the circuit in recent years, which is interesting given that he's supposedly part of the 'in crowd' among all the young drivers that very much don't give 2 craps about giving PR answers to every question in Max, Lando, Charles, Albon, and Russell.

In fact, it wasn't DTS that got me into F1, it was some of the lockdown videos those drivers put out when they were just shooting the shit with each other on twitch and youtube while gaming. Made them all very relatable in ways you just don't generally see in sports nowadays.

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... it was some of the lockdown videos those drivers put out when they were just shooting the shit with each other on twitch and youtube while gaming.

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In all seriousness, that was a great time to be an F1 fan, but it's what made me switch from liking to disliking Russell. Dominating the conversation, everything was about him, he was all serious until he wasn't winning and then started to screw around and harass others (we've all met those guys who go all "it's just a game bro!" once they know they're done).

I also lost all respect for Simon Pagenaud during that time, after he took purposefully Lando out of the iRacing Indy 500 lead.

Kevin raced him tight, but Hamilton also got tight and missed the Apex. Not necessarily hamiltons fault, but Mag didnt turn in on him anymore than hamilton got tight and missed the Apex. Racing incident was the right call. Saw a video from Micks POVwhich showed Lewis not being able to follow the other cars on the same line around turn 4. Also Hamilton was on Mediums and Kevin on soft. Contact was on the front wheels, so Mag definitely had the pass made without contact

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I watched the video from both drivers perspectives and in slow-mo and it didn't seem like HAM let off the turn or that KMag turned in tighter, just that shit happened in the middle of the turn. Definitely a racing incident. Just sucks that Hamilton was able to recover and KMag limped to the finish.

Agreed, the car has a lot to do with it, but still impressive nonetheless. He was able to get past Sainz who objectively has the better car only to give the place up at the end before his car blew up. He likes driving through the pack and he likes leading it, but he's just such a whiner.

It is interesting seeing Russell doing better than him though. If only I could like Russell rather than think he's a cyborg.

Sainz had floor damage after his spin to the gravel so he may not have been as fast as he could have been.

Regarding Russell smoking HAM, all you need to do is look at the mean race pace from race to race to see who actually has the better hand. RUS has done very, very well. And he may be a better qualifier (some are saying RUS prefers a qualifying setup as opposed to a race setup). But he has also gotten quite lucky a few times this season and his side of the garage have made some stellar strategy calls. It's quite similar to people saying Sainz was better than LEC after he beat him on points last season. It's not the entire story.

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I saw earlier this week that Trackhouse Racing was going to have a car specifically for international drivers of other specs (Project91). I think anyone who read that immediately thought "Danny Ric", but I did not expect Kimiโ€”though, in hindsight, I probably should've.

https://www.autosport.com/nascar/news/raikkonen-to-make-racing-return-in...

Excited to see Kimi back in NASCAR. Hopefully it goes better this time around.

Dare I say but kudos to the edit: sky team Martin Brundle for calling out the race directors' cowardice for not starting the race in the wet. Let's just get on with it.

Crofty waffling like no tomorrow. Brundle's driving perspective is so valuable on days like today tbf

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Update: there was a power failure for the systems that ran the standing start, so they had no choice but to delay.

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Great to see Perez at the top of the podium again.

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Happy to see Checo get the W and the contract extension. Well driven and well deserved.

After watching the Monaco GP I am convinced there needs to be some serious discussion between Liberty/FIA and the Monaco powers to fix this race. Qualifying is a thing of beauty, always has been. The race, aside from the wet and strategy calls, as usual, lacked anything exciting. And even when there were solid racing moments (actually a couple of overtakes on track this race), the broadcasting completely whiffed. From what I've read, Monaco is the only location where broadcasting is handled by the local broadcasting company, every other race is handled by the F1 media, and it showed this race. Whatever discussions happen to keep racing at Monaco, this needs to be addressed as part of it.

The cars aren't changing, which is actually the biggest contributor to the lack of decent racing. So unless some time trial weekend or introduction of Joker Laps for the race to induce more strategy can make make it interesting, I can see why there is frustration around the GP.

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After this past weekend, Monaco needs to be dropped. I absolutely hate saying that because I love the course and the history of the venue is second to none, but.... You just can't race F1 cars there anymore. Alonso holding 2/3 of the field back by going 3 seconds per lap slower than race pace and not a single other driver being able to pass him should be the final straw. That right there is all you need to know about how suitable that course is for the sport in modern times. You can't have a 3 seconds per lap slower car than the entire field holding up 2/3 of it. That's not good for the sport and its not enjoyable at all to watch. It just highlights that Monaco is a glorified parade where qualifying and pit strategy is all that matters.

Also the broadcast itself was poor, as you said. I lost count of the number of times we saw a sector go yellow for a car going off or hitting a wall without a replay being shown to let us know what happened. The whole thing was either the Ferrari and RedBull parade or Alonso holding Hamilton up. Its ridiculous that we're now seeing incidents via replay on social media through the F1 channels that were never shown on the broadcast.

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Well said, I just WANT them to TRY ANYTHING other than the Monaco status quo that rests on tradition as the "Crown Jewel" of F1. I believe both Chain Bear and Driver61 have had videos with some decent ideas on how to fix Monaco.

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Switching gears, pun intended, the Nascar race was also endlessly entertaining, the whole way through.

Local Nascar experts: why isn't every track so competitive and fun like that? Is it the new car coming into its own, the track coating, something else? Everything I've read said that was one of the most entertaining races in a long time

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Allllllll the way through. All 6 glorious hours of it lol all jokes aside, I obviously love Nascar and love the 600. It's an absurd amount of racing and I love it. People who say it should be shortened...boo. Boo those people.

The car is definitely coming into its own (on intermediates). Texas? Throw that out. That track doesn't count. Too damn wide. Too much traction compound that they can't remove (listen to Hamlin's interview on Dale Jr's podcast). Just an awful track in a massive tv market. It's a shame, but what can ya do.

Charlotte, while the same length and basic shape, has steeper banking and a much tighter racing surface. Definitely the most entertaining Charlotte oval race in many moons.

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Charlotte having two lanes that actually work helps a lot. Definitely the best of the three races on Sunday.

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Re: Baku, it really sucks for Ferrari with the double DNF. I hope they get their engine issues fixed quickly, as the championship race will be much more interesting if they are involved, vs a fight between Perez and Verstappen. (ยกVamos Checo!) Gasly looked really good on Sunday, as did Albon; I like seeing some of the back markers doing well.

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Man, Ferrari just can't stop shooting themselves in the foot this season. I feel so bad for Leclerc, the failures of their engineering dept is literally the difference between him running away with the WDC and him floundering in 3rd. Its just so, so bad at this point and massively telling that all cars with a Ferrari unit basically shat itself in Baku. Fast as hell don't mean a damn thing if you can't finish a race, and right now that PU can't finish a race.

As for the rest of the field, something needs to be done about the porpoising. Merc putting their own drivers health at risk to chase 3rd (5th, if Ferrari didn't blow up) is pathetic. Watching Lewis struggle to get out at the end because of his janked up back is just stupid. F1 needs to step in and protect the drivers from the teams. And they need to do it in a way that doesn't penalize teams that already figured it out (looking at you, RedBull). Stick a hard Gs limit on the bouncing and if a team exceeds it, the car is immediately black flagged and parked for the remainder of a session or race.

Along this same thinking, I also saw that Danny Ric was struggling with back pain at the end of the race as well. Part of me wonders if the reason that he was so slow earlier in the year is that he just never wanted to put his own health at risk and tried to minimize porpoising by either going for a greater ride height or maybe not going full bore to the extent that maybe Lando was going, and just decided to go for it in Baku.

Also had rumors last week that this is Latifi's last year with Williams and that he'll be dropped for Piastri next year. Can't say he hasn't earned it, and is probably just the beginning of a lot of turnover next year. Wouldn't be completely shocked if Ric is dropped for Pato at McLaren as well. There are going to be some deserving drivers, and possibly some bigger draw character drivers, without a ride next year and I'm not sure its the best thing for the sport as a whole. Then again, maybe a season without someone like Ric could be a nice catalyst to bring in Andretti going forward, opening up more spots for good drivers.

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As for the rest of the field, something needs to be done about the porpoising. Merc putting their own drivers health at risk to chase 3rd (5th, if Ferrari didn't blow up) is pathetic. Watching Lewis struggle to get out at the end because of his janked up back is just stupid. F1 needs to step in and protect the drivers from the teams. And they need to do it in a way that doesn't penalize teams that already figured it out (looking at you, RedBull). Stick a hard Gs limit on the bouncing and if a team exceeds it, the car is immediately black flagged and parked for the remainder of a session or race.

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Quick would be if they put out an objective standard. This is just saying, "We're looking into it."

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Red Bull was way to quick to pull the trigger on Gasley and send him back down to the B team in favor of Albon a couple seasons back. That dude is consistently in the top 10 in a lesser car. He has earned a seat at one of the top team IMO.

Maybe, but they have a pretty good driver in Checo sitting in the B seat right now.

You're right, they may have been too quick in pulling the trigger, but Albon showed himself to be better right off the bat (for a little while), and that may have added to reasons to keep him down in AlphaTauri for the moment. He's really improved since his time at Red Bull, but I don't know where he's going to go up from here, short of Checo retiring. Ferrari is full for the forseeable future, Mercedes is out, Piastri is coming into McLaren, so they're full. There's not another seat that's a clear upgrade for him.

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Bit of a snoozefest in Montreal this weekend up until Yuki decided to get a bit squirrely out of the pit lane. Try as he might and even with that with that suuuuuper long DRS, Sainz just couldn't catch Max at the end because the RB is just too quick in the straights. There was some decent racing in the middle of the pack, but the DRS train made it a bit anticlimactic too. The only real excitement was in the strategy department with the two VSCs early on throwing a wrench into some of the plans. Glad to see Chucky fight his way from the back. Felt really bad for Haas with KMag getting the black and white after his contact with Hamilton and then the Mick DNF. Shitty that Alonso had such a bad race after such a good qualifying, but I don't see the Alpine as being better than a P5/P6 car without a miracle.

It's looking more and more like this is gonna be a RB year and the last 6 races just prove that they're a head above the rest. They're 76 points ahead of Ferrari at this point who are having some MASSIVE reliability issues (and we haven't even reached the summer break) and 116 points ahead of Mercedes who are starting to get back into their old form but I think are too far back for the combined Max/Checo pairing.

It'll be interesting to see what happens due to the new porpoising technical directive and what impact that has on pace for the cars that have to make adjustments to smooth out the ride. Ferrari's engine issues are going to relegate them to 3rd behind Merc unless they figure out reliability upgrades. Like Alum pointed out, if you can't finish the race, it doesn't matter how fast you are at the beginning.

The rest of the pack...oooofa. McLaren seems to be floundering. Alpine is what it is. Alfa Romeo seems to be a decent mid-range car. AT is having issues and I wonder when we'll hear an announcement about Gasly jumping ship (to who though...?). The Aston Martin is a shitbox copy, Haas is once again doomed by their pairing with Ferrari, and Williams can't compete, even with the GoatIfi in their corner.

It's not just reliability with Ferrari, it's also bad strategy and general incompetence. They can't get out of their own way.

AT announced this weekend that Gasly is coming back for next year.

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Yea...seems like Ferrari start overthinking things and they just get cute and then disaster.

I did not see the announcement about Gasly. Interesting.

Yeah, there was nowhere for him to go:

Red Bull: Verstappen and Checo
Ferrari: LeClerc and Sainz
Mercedes: Hamilton and Russell
McLaren: Norris and Piastri

With those four off the market, where is there an objectively better seat than at AlphaTauri, where he is the #1 driver?

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If Alonso ever decides to actually retire he could move to Alpine, then the French manufacturer will have two French drivers. The rest of them are at best lateral moves or downgrades.

Williams - Hot mess of a dumpster fire
AM - even when they copy designs they can't get it right. You're always gonna compete against Stroll for daddy's attention.
Alfa Romeo - lateral move at best
Haas - um........

Definitely RB's championship to win or lose at the moment. If Ferrari aren't careful and shore up their reliability, they could end up 3rd in the constructors by the end of the season if (and that's a big IF) Merc can build on their form from this race.

It was an interesting tidbit from I think Horner during Quali that some of the cars that cook their tires in the dry then become perfect for getting temps in the tires during the wet. Hence why the Alpine and Haas cars were both starting on the grid much higher after a wet quali, then dropped significantly in the dry race (along with some poor strategy calls with the VSC's).

Looking forward to Silverstone where there's supposed to be a bunch of upgrades up and down the grid!

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What a race! And I missed the opening crash

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I've been watching for >10 years and that was one of the best races I've ever seen

As those above have said the British GP was one of the most exciting races in a while.

Absolutely pumped for Sainz to get his first GP win, but Ferrari went full Ferrari and bungled strategy. Could have been a 1-3, possibly a 1-2, even with the front wing endplate damage to LeClerc.

Mega recovery drive from Checo and RB, with one of the most fortuitous SC timings for him. Verstappen's damaged floor and he still put it in the points even with an extra stop.

Merc looks to have actually taken a step forward. HAM actually had the best race pace and took fastest lap.

Lando outperforming that car as per usual. RIC just looks dead in the water.

ABSOLUTE CHAOS with everyone else. From the lap one insanity and scary crashes, Haas getting double points, Yuki taking out both AT's and then the debris possibly being the catalyst to the Verstappen floor damage, SO many great wheel to wheel battles...just a fantastic race.

For those out of the loop on the most recent TD, the French GP will be fascinating once the new testing for floor/plank flexibility starts getting enforced. Word is RB, Ferrari, and a few others have been getting around some rules due to insufficient testing that may be giving them a 0.5-1 sec advantage (if the Merc engineers are to be believed, take with a grain of salt there).

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It truly was. What an absolutely great race. With racing resumed after the yellow flag my dad and I were on our feet yelling at the TV.

While I believe that Ferrari botched the job, I don't think that the race would have gone much better for Charles even if they'd brought him in under the yellow flag. I think Merc would have kept Hamilton out and then had him defend vs. chase.

Checo is proving race after race why he deserves that seat with Red Bull. He's been driving lights out this season and is a great partner for Max.

Wondering if Merc finally has gotten their stuff together. I'm sure it was inevitable with as big of an organization as it is, but still wishing they'd been replaced by one of the other constructors in the #3 spot.

Gotta love him, but Danny Ric is a dead man walking at this point. I feel bad that Lando is driving the #4 car and won't be able to compete at all.

While I don't think there were any doubters, I think Zhou's incident as well as the F2 incident earlier in the day prove the halo's effectiveness. The rest of the race was bonkers and absolutely amazing.

We'll see what happens at the French GP. I won't believe anything that Merc says until its been proven true.

Not fully buying that Merc is back.

Charles was basically able to keep Hamilton at a distance with half a front wing until Ferrari bungled it. Sainz pulled away rapidly after the SC and Perez was distancing once he got by. If Max doesn't run over debris he probably wins the race by 15-20 seconds as well with the pace he had.

If anything, Silverstone showed that Merc has a long way to go. Everything that could have gone right for Hamilton went right and he could only manage 3rd. The only RB and Ferrari cars he beat were legitimately broken.

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Not saying fully bak, just another step closer. The damage to LeClerc's car only cost him 5 points of downforce. It was just a frontwing endplate. In the grand scheme of things, minimal damage.

Agreed that if Max didn't have the floor damage, he likely would have won comfortably. But it is quite obvious the Merc, at least on this track, looked to be in the mix.

The SC nerfed HAM's chances, because it ruined his tire delta. Far from everything going perfect for him.

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It was funny during the SC how Sky kept saying it was Hamilton's race to lose, completely overlooking the fact that it pulled Perez' rocketship right behind him on the restart. I mean they never even mentioned the Red Bull sitting there and sure enough, he breezed past and pulled away in the end. In the cooldown room, right before they broke away, you could hear Lewis comment that the Red Bull just had too much raw speed for him to keep up. Even when Sainz asked if that meant Merc was back, Lewis gave a look of 'I wish that were the case'.

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And Alonso was right there behind to pick up any pieces. Yea nobody was mentioning Perez AT ALL on the SC restart. A RB with fresh softs is a dangerous machine. Right now, RB and Ferrari are really good at tire warm up on most compounds but struggle to warm up the hards more. For some reason the Merc struggles more to warm up the softs. I think that also played into the hands of Checo, along with their straight line speed advantage.

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I'm not either, but they're making big strides and we'll see what happens at the French GP.

I still don't think that Chucky could have done better than 3rd if he'd pitted with the SC. Hamilton would have stayed out and you would have ended up with Hamilton, Charles, Sainz, Perez. Charles would have been holding up Sainz and Perez and just hanging with the Merc but as soon as DRS was enabled Perez would have been pushing to get past them both.

I thought it was kind of bull shit that Russell could not restart the race, basically because he left his car to check on Ghou after that horrific crash.

That would have been pretty scary to be in the grandstand there as the car flipped over the tire barrier into the catch fence. I would have shit my pants if I was sitting there.

Ehhh I'm okay with it. He also stated that he couldn't fire the car back up (but that he MAY have been able to with a little direction from the engineers on the radio). Combine that with the fact that he did leave his car (for noble reasons), it's understandable why it was hauled away to the pits and why they couldn't let him continue.

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I read somewhere that one of the main reasons he wasn't allowed to restart after he got out was that drivers cant fasten their safety harnesses by themselves. That would have him driving back to the pits without a safety harness, which is on first principles a no-go.

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He stopped the car, said "I'm out" on the radio. Left the car to check on zhou (which he didn't, he just stood there) went back to the car, saw he might actually be able to drive it, couldn't get it started. So no, he should not have been allowed back in the race

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Agreed. The Silverstone race was one of the best I've seen to date.

I'll admit, I'm totally a Netflix N00bie when it comes to F1. I've come on late, so maybe I don't have the perspective of historic rivalries or great races. I've gotten used to F1 as a game of calculation, lap times, under/overcuts, tire (I refuse to spell "tyre") strategy, and at times, a little racing action. The last ten laps of the British GP blew that view out of the water.

I've never seen side-by-side-by-side racing like that. The duel between LeClerc, Hamilton, and Perez was one of the most exciting racing I've ever seen. If that's what F1 racing can be, sign me up for a hell of a lot more of that!

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You're forgetting a very important part...it's the world's greatest engineering competition!

Battles like those last 10 laps are special, and I have this feeling that these new regs are bringing more of it. Recall the VER vs LEC battles from the first few races this season. Simply put, these cars (when evenly matched), are able to follow and battle closer and longer than they previously used to.

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That is absolutely true.

We're really starting to see the impact of the new design specifications with respect to trailing aerodynamics. The F1 personnel responsible for the redesign have done a fantastic job with that.

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Compared to the last few years it's a completely different type of racing. Not nearly the same issue with overheating where a car had just a bit of time to make a pass work before having to back off, recharge, and try again.

Tyler Reddick waiting in the wings that entire race to take the lead, cleanly, was the best way for him to get his first W. Absolutely amazing run from him. Hope he can keep it up and hope RCR can keep him if he can.

Listening to The Rundown, sounds like that might have been Road America's swan song for Cup, at least this date. From what they're hearing, the Chicago street course is taking some serious legs for the 4th date next season.

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Very happy for Reddick. Should've had his first win at Bristol, but got wrecked. Met him at Dega. Super cool guy and he autographed some things for my wife. He could be a star in the making. Was skeptical when they sent Hemric away and obviously that is why I don't run a team.

Do they have a layout for the Chicago course? I know it has been discussed, but never seen anything official. I wonder how it would work. I've seen Indy in St. Pete when I lived in FL and it was alright in person.

Seems like Chicago on a road course would be tough to make successful. But I thought that at Charlotte for the Roval. First race in person was fun, but on TV can be lackluster as well. I guess only time will tell.

Not that I'm aware of. Outside of podcasts and the rare news dump, I haven't heard a damn thing about it. But Gluck and Bianchi seem certain that it's happening. I hope it is something similar to what F1 has set up in Vegas. Long straights with some swooping turns (AKA Watkins Glen).

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Not sure where it would go. I doubt it will be able to go through neighborhoods or downtown. I could see Lake Shore Dr and I-90 being a part of it but I'm not sure where a course would loop back around.

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Well, unlike last year, Red Bull didn't have a great day at the Red Bull Ring. Perez got smacked by Russell and DNF'd and Max just didn't have the pace to fight Chucky. I feel really bad for Carlos (especially since he almost got cooked) and you could hear the concern in Leclerc's voice for the final 10 laps...just waiting for his Ferrari to explode.

Merc looks to solidly be the #3 team but I don't see them competing against RB or Ferrari. Watching Max pass Hamilton like he was standing still just proved that. As much as I don't like Russell, it's pretty clear to see that he's a good driver, managing to claw his way back up to 4th after the 5 second penalty and the front wing swap at the beginning of the race. Still think it's BS that he caused the crash with Checo who had to DNF but got off with such a light slap on the wrist.

I'm holding my breath, but the 2nd week in a row for Haas with both drivers in the points is awesome! That said, it might just be the tracks that are good to them. Hoping that Mick's confidence is much higher after the past 2 races and showing that he's a good driver when given a half-decent car.

McLaren is a hot mess. I'm sad because of it. As bad as they are though, Aston Martin is ATROCIOUS!!! That car is just solid dogshit in a green wrapper. Vettell is a saint for being able to hang in there and not lose his shit.

All in all, the more this season unfolds, the more it proves that the new regs have made the racing that much better and we're all benefitting from it. Seeing 5 cars duking it out going into a corner is awesome and the constant back and forth makes the whole race worth watching. If only the broadcast team could pull their heads out of their asses and show more of the race.

Vettel had that car in the top ten (based on pit stops) before he was robbed by Gasly, in the same corner he was robbed by Albon in the sprint. He is driving extremely well this season for Aston, but barely has anything to show for it.

Still think it's BS that he caused the crash with Checo who had to DNF but got off with such a light slap on the wrist.

Yeah between Silverstone and Hungary last year and now Austria this year, its becoming a trend for Merc to torpedo Red Bulls knowing they'll only get a slight slap on the wrist in order to get a podium.

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You and me both. They fucked up this year and its going to take years for them to fix it. They're not even the fastest of the midfield, they might only be the 5th fastest car. The worst part is that you just know someone like Norris would getting regular podiums in the Ferrari or Red Bull (assuming they don't blow up).

Speaking of Ferrari, they legitimately need to get their shit together. They should be leading the WCC and WDC if not for seriously shit reliability. They're consistently the faster car on track when the engines are running, but they blow up so goddamn often that its legitimately ruining title aspirations for everyone involved. I am indifferent to them, but I feel so bad for Leclerc and Sainz, because their teams are absolutely letting them down.

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Yeah between Silverstone and Hungary last year and now Austria this year, its becoming a trend for Merc to torpedo Red Bulls knowing they'll only get a slight slap on the wrist in order to get a podium.

Ehhh I don't think it's as malicious. Driver mistakes, sure. I'm sure Merc would rather not cause collisions, serve penalties, have to replace parts in the pits ($$ and extra time). Especially this year when RB is not their fight.

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Yea, McLaren got it wrong and between the car and Merc's powerplant, they're in trouble for a while. Hopefully this doesn't cause long term issues for Norris where he's in a midfield car for so long that his skill goes to waste and he ends up like Danny Ric.

Ferrari is a hot mess. Plan E?!?! I mean WTF. You can just hear the anguish in Carlos' voice as he's coasting to a stop and moaning "Nononononono". Ferrari is gonna lost the WDC/WCC because they went for speed and forgot about reliability.

I don't know what it is about the track, but even with the REALLY good amount of on track action, this race just doesn't do it for me. Maybe it's the fact that last year this track was raced twice in a row and both were snooze fests. Glad to see LEC back on top though. But damn do Ferrari need to figure out their reliability before they actually cook a driver. Even KMAG had some issues towards the end of the race.

Still think it's BS that he caused the crash with Checo who had to DNF but got off with such a light slap on the wrist.

That's the precedent unfortunately. That turn specifically has caused numerous similar incidents all with the same penalty. It's actually a more recent thing (past few years) that this is penalized at all. In the past, the inside driver dictates the corner. Unfortunately both left space, but George had a bit more understeer. It's the incident that matters, not the result. Causing a DNF isn't, and shouldn't IMO, be part of the equation. The margins are too thin to do it.

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I know there isn't as much Nascar news on here, but Tyler Reddick is going to 23XI racing for Denny Hamlin and Michael Jordan. On surface a huge loss for RCR but they had the chance to lock him up long term and didn't.

Saw that. Hate it for RCR, but like you said...likely had their chance. I don't think it's a hottake to say has a lot more to offer longterm than Austin and his *criiiinnnnngggyyyy* reality show.

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The Chicago street course is happening! July 1-2nd of 2023. Ben Kennedy knocked the Colosseum out of the park, hopefully this goes great as well.

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Yeah but they eliminated Road America for it, and I'm not sure that's a good tradeoff.

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To be the man you gotta beat the man!

He waited for the right time to get Chastain some payback.

Yeah. And knocking out Chastain was the sweetest part of the victory.

Denny predicted it:

"You only want to pay back when it counts," Hamlin said after finishing 34th of 36 drivers. "Once he got done taking out the No. 9 after me, he (Chastain) wasn't in contention to win anymore. So โ€” I've said many times โ€” you're going to have to fence these guys hard just to kind of get their attention, but it's going to have to be meaningful. It's going to be on a meaningful day."

I would say that today was meaningful and that he got his attention ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

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Literally came he to put a Lee Corso Gif up. Well done.

Caught cheating... sort of ironic considering the post-race prayer circle.

"Please lord, lead them to not peal up the skin on the car. Would be super cool of ya."

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Somewhat interesting French GP. Bit of a snooze first stint, then the 2nd stint was pretty eventful.

Ferrari man...LEC binning it is rough. I think Max runs away with it now. I'm pretty sure even if LEC wins every race from now on, Max just needs to hit P2 every race and nab fastest lap and will still win. And then there's the pit wall messing with Sainz in the middle of battle. I stand by my gut that Merc can nab P2 in the constructors.

On Merc, consistently there to nab maximum points. Alot of talk of them being strong this weekend, but again not delivering in Quali pace, but race pace looking strong. HAM was legitimately faster than PER. That move on the VSC restart by RUS on PER was a thing of beauty. Apparently big upgrades coming in Hungary this coming weekend. Another chunk taken out of their gap to Ferrari and RB, but likely still slower. It seems ever since HAM stopped being the big guinea pig for experimental setups in Canada, he has really come alive and showing the true pace of the car. George is superb, but not quite at HAM's level. But the potential is there.

Alpine strong again. Norris performing well in Quali and placing well in the race.

I have sincere disdain for Stroll.

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Not fully convinced that Hamilton was faster than Perez, its just that Paul Ricard is an DRS train that doesn't really allow much passing unless the trailing car is significantly faster. Look at the way Alonso was once again able to hold the McLarens behind him comically off the pace until the trailing cars tires were toast, and he could take off. Same thing happened with Hamilton and Perez, which is how Russell was able to get by late.

Speaking of which, Russell was a bit of a little bitch on the radio over the weekend. Complete divebomb on Perez and he's sitting there talking about how he should have been granted the corner just because.

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If PER was faster, he wouldn't have dropped off from HAM as far as he did. Tires had something to do with it, but even George was catching Perez. And yes, George was a bit of a whiny bitch lol. Again though, the racing guidelines are clear. Inside man just needs his front wheels past the rear wheels of the car in front to be able to dictate the corner. Hence why there was no further investigation necessary. Toto coming on the radio and basically telling George to shut up and drive was funny though.

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Neither here nor there, but Russell wasn't alongside going into the corner, and only got his wheels to that level under braking. Classic sim-level divebomb, but given Perez was able to avoid without incident it was fair to let them keep racing. Had there been contact, Russell would have been given the reprimand and penalty, 100%.

As for Ferrari, I genuinely don't know what to say. They absolutely have the fastest car on the grid, and they keep finding ways to fuck it to hell. Their strategy with Sainz late was straight up incompetence and cost them a podium finish. And I don't fully believe that it was driver error on Leclerc's part causing the crash. In the post race cooldown room when Russell and Hamilton were talking to the RB engineer about what happened, they mentioned that the Ferrari radio conversation was over a stuck throttle right before F1 media cut audio to the room. If I had to guess, Leclerc is falling on the sword to take the attention off a team that simply cannot get a handle on their own reliability issues.

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Their strategy with Sainz late was straight up incompetence and cost them a podium finish.

I don't think Sainz would've held onto that 3rd position, as they've said his tires were not going to last to the end of the race. They didn't have the data by lap 35 (when was the latest he should have come in to have a chance to make his way back up to 3rd), but by lap 41 then knew his tires weren't going to make it.

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...Ferrari radio conversation was over a stuck throttle...

That may have been regarding not being able to reverse out and continue. The throttle stuck in non-zero (potentially as a result of the crash) would not allow shifting into reverse.

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Leclerc yelled about something about the throttle, but I think he meant like "I just touched the throttle" or something. After the race he pretty much took complete blame for it. He binned it.

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Yea that's my interpretation as well. If you look at the telemetry from the lap he crashed and the lap before, he carried like 10-20 kph more speed in the corner than he likely should have. He just pushed it past the limit.

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Where do you get to see telemetry?

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The good folks over at r/Formula1 usually have links to some great breakdowns.

If you're python inclined, there is some code and possibly even desktop apps out there that pull data from some different sources.
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Nascar officials have taken the pulpit and are chopping sinners' heads off.

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As long as it stays consistent is the key. That's always been my gripe in the past.