March Madness Tournament Edition

To discuss non Hokie aspects.

I think the loss by Florida put Todd Golden on the hot seat in year 2. The level of talent vs the lackluster play all season capped off by a complete No Show today losing to UCF 67-49 really punctuated a complete lack of effort this season.

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Which #1 seed gets bumped first? My money is on Purdue or Bama

I hope not, I have Purdue winning the entire thing.

All the 1's are capable of cakewalking to the E8 or getting drummed out in the R32 it's going to be exciting for sure

Same here.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

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Oh FFS.....I dont know what I'm madder about- that my bracket is destroyed, or that LOLUVA is no longer the only 1 seed to lose to a 16 seed.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

The fact that LOLuva is no longer the only #1 seed to lose to a 16 seed.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

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UMBC maintains bigger margin of victory at least?

I have Houston bounced by Iowa in Round of 32. Just think Iowa will bog down the pace and not sure Houston will handle the defensive pressure. Houston is so hit or miss and it will be more glaring as they get stiffer competition.

Same... Although it wouldn't be a big surprise (to me) to see Northern Kentucky pull off an upset.

Houston. Their schedule was laughable and they faltered the second Memphis punched them in the mouth.

There is so much parody this year. It was truly a lot of blind picking.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

There is so much parody this year. It was truly a lot of blind picking.

Not sure if this was intentional use of 'parody' vs, 'parity', but lol either way... /s

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

Sadly no, I'm just an idiot tbh. I refuse to edit. Will proudly wear my hat.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

It was a parody of parity.

Life is good.

What's funny, though, is that they BOTH work.

We were having the debate in the office pool about methods used.
Favorites discussed.

  • Picking the Team with more wins
  • Picking the Team with higher ranking
  • Picking the Team based on the data
  • Picking the Team whose mascot wins in the fight
  • Picking the Team based on Jersey color

Last year, Jersey color won the pool...

TKPer Brad does a coinflip bracket every year

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As do I!

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Picking the team that is closer to a point on the map

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Nothing like a meteorite game to get us started with March Madness.

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

Maryland hasn't scored a point in over 8 minutes now... not a good recipe for any kind of success.

Wow, WVU looked unstoppable at the beginning of the game but gg by Maryland
edit: or rather, Maryland looked very stoppable

LOL... UVA... wouldn't be a proper 1st round if you couldn't find a way to lose like this :-)

Late 3 by Furman to put them up 1 with 2.2 to go!!

Suck it hoos!

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lol uva

FURMAN!!!!

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The brackets may be busted, but the schadenfreude is forever!

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Did people pick them to go far?!

I had them getting bounced by 'bama in the sweet 16. Not a major hit to my bracket.

same

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I had this upset, but I pick them to lose in the first round every year. Except for last year lol

Fitting end to Clark's career. Had a timeout in their pocket.

Is he finally gone? I thought they said he was a junior. Seems like he has been there a decade.

I turned that shit on just to watch that final segment

fucking glorious. Sucks to be Hoo

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This is home

Always fun to watch UVa poo their bed, but Holy crap, is the ACC bad at this point.

And we couldn't even make it in the top half of the league this year. Not great.

Down goes Arizona!

Would love to see Duke get upset later

Now that my bracket is shot I just want to see pure chaos.

Big shout out to Arizona and Princeton - early champs this year for the teams that ruined my bracket. Usually I have to wait until Friday evening to have my office pool hopes dashed. You guys overachieved and nixed those hopes early this year. Congrats!

My bracket is now a steaming pile of donkey shit.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Well...no. I had Arizona losing in the sweet 16 round. I have Purdue winning it all.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Then again, except for Arizona, i have all of the teams that lost on me today losing in the next round anyway, so who knows......

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Yeah I had UVA and AZ losing in later rounds as well. I have Kansas winning it all though.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Every game in the pick em right today except for Princeton and Missouri. Of course, first year I have not entered a cash pool since Danny Manning won the tournament MVP award.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

Houston in a dog fight both teams really struggling to score in the second half.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Buzz and Radford going home early barring a miracle. Down 48-28.

This is why I never bet on March Madness.

Hard to not pull for Fairleigh Dickinson, but I really really want UVA to be the only 1 to lose to a 16.

Wear my UMBC hat whenever UVA plays in the NCAAT

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UVA was a 4 seed

I think he's referring to the 2018 UMBC game

I wouldn't be surprised to see more 16's win in the future. We're in a time where kids have grown up spending most of their lives watching Steph Curry sink 3s and trying to craft their game after his.

Just like UMBC did, some 16-seeds will get red hot from 3 and take over a game.

I think it's easy to root for UVA to remain forever shamed

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To be fair. They were the #1 overall seed when they were the recipient of the biggest upset in MM history. Purdue was 3rd or 4th #1.

We put the K in Kwality

#16 Fairleigh Dickinson putting up a really good fight against #1 Purdue right now

Purdue honestly looks like a bad team carried by their giant center

Miami building brick walls in this first half against Drake

I've seen more athletic basketball players in inter-murals than Edey.

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what an abysmal 3 point shot there

LOLUVA, you got company. Welcome LOLPURDUE

Don't let FDU's win distract you from the fact that UVa has lost to a 13 seed or higher in 3 of the last 4 NCAA Tournaments

Ignore that other one

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This is home

Well... i predicted that we would have 2 #1's go out in the first weekend... there's the first.

Looks up at the Houston score at the half...

Congrats to Seth Greenberg, FDU alum and Hall of Famer!

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Miami put the clamps on Drake over the last 4 minutes and advances.

NC state played to their average again; Joyner couldn't make a shot and they shot like 20% from three again lol

It's really a good thing that LOLUVA and Purdue can't play in the tournament. I think a black hole would form, first swallow the floor, then the whole tournament.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Bold move by Buzz to complain about being underseeded after losing to a lower seed.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

LOL I guess his point was that if they get a higher seed they would have played someone easier and could have beaten them?

Probably.

Just like Buzz, right in a certain way, unaware in a different way.

self awareness was never his strong suit

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Very true. But was/is he only aware of himself?

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Duke goes down. ACC down to Pitt and Miami now. Really just the reflection of how poor the ACC was this season.

All of college basketball is down this year. No heavyweights, few seniors on the best teams, sloppy turnovers and ill-advised 3 point shots has been the name of the game.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I saw a tweet from stew mandell that (I think) has since been deleted, but it said:

Nothing speaks to how watered down college basketball has become than:
A) The best player on a No. 1 Seed is not a serious NBA prospect.
B) A 16 seed couldn't beat a 1 seed for 34 years and now it's happened twice since 2018

I think that between the one-and-done rule, the emergence of professional basketball in Europe, the growth of the G-League, there's just more places for the good players to play other than college, and the college game is suffering as a result.

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Is it suffering though? I find it way more interesting when there are legitimate chances for more teams. I dont need to watch the same 5 teams win every year

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This

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Exactly. If I wanted to see that I'd watch college football.

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If the same 5 teams every year means teams like Butler, Gonzaga, and Memphis then I'm still here for it

The Power 5 is still dominant but college basketball has always had the door open for mid-majors to make Final Four runs. Now, there's no dominance anywhere so the "upsets" seem much less thrilling.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

It's a fair point. Maybe the tournament has more intrigue, but the regular season has been more boring than ever before (IMO). I thought this was more of a 'me' thing, but everyone I talk to (regardless of life phase) seems to agree.

EDIT: RealDeihl said it perfectly

Now, there's no dominance anywhere so the "upsets" seem much less thrilling.

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I disagree that it's suffering, at least from the perspective of someone that just wants to watch entertaining games.

On Friday, I was at a well known dive bar that is always packed here in Scottsdale, and even more so for St Patty's. The ENTIRE place was glued to the TVs cheering for FDU as they knocked off Purdue. It was one of the best basketball watching experiences I've had in years.

The refs in this Houston Auburn game have taken all the fun out of it. It's just a whistle fest now with very, very little contact if any in most cases.

"GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM LITTLE BROTHER, THE CUP IS COMIN’ ON HOME!”

The refs in this tournament have been absolutely atrocious. They all need to go to offseason boot camp for a few months

I don't understand how every single college basketball ref can be this blatantly bad all the time. There's never any improvement, if anything they've regressed sport wide.

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Because sports league refs (ncaa, nfl, etc) are usually part-time contractors and not full time employees. This, coupled with the past 3 years of shit, made many realize that the extra time/effort/travel associated with reffing isn't worth the peanuts the leagues provide. And that's on top of out of control parents/fans.

If/when it becomes a big enough issue, maybe leagues will pay better or offer better benefits until then we get a shittier product unfortunately ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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But as a referee myself, I take pride in what I do. I don't get every call correct, no one does. But I'm always looking to improve and take constructive criticism from other officials and higher ups.

Doing soccer at just the high school level, there are opportunities to go to classes and seminars and improve. I cannot imagine NCAA referees don't have access to SOMETHING.

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They have access....but have to pay to do it and as mentioned above there has been an extremely high turnover the last few years so now you have less experienced refs coupled with poor performing refs so the newer ones are being "developed" by the ones that were left after the pandemic. In addition to the talent level being greatly reduced there have been a slew of rule changes the last decade that still are causing issues.

Solutions:
1) Standardize the training required
2) Pay the officials to attend including travel costs/lodging etc.
3) Make them permanent positions so it's their primary focus
4) Use a metrics based system to evaluate performance
5) Use results of performance evaluation to drive additional training/termination.
6) Standardize rules/format of mens/women's games to expand available pool of officials available.

Probably more that could be done but this would be a good start to normalizing the results.

1. The tests are standardized. The problem I can confirm exists is, someone has access to the answers and they're sharing them.
2. Cost of travel is a bs excuse shared by people who just don't want to do something. As independent contractors, they're writing off all their expenses.
3. Probably not going to happen as most officials will supplement with other leagues. So, if someone is permanent at a high level league, they'll supplement with the lower leagues. Unless you can guarantee enough payment to keep them in one place, they're going after more income.
4. Metrics are fine, but ultimately a subjective person evaluates against metrics. Ultimately, you'll still see bad things slip through the cracks.
5. Fine idea. But the current structure for the associations says that if you're good with the boss, you'll get to hang arOund.

Signed: a former referee.

Can confirm a lot of this. My MIL's family friend has refereed two Super Bowls, but was a B10 ref before that. He had a lucrative career (I think in banking if I recall correctly, but not positive). He started reffing for fun, retired in late 40s from his day job, but kept reffing.

Anyways, he was explaining the amount of oversight in college vs NFL, and how it's just night and day. He basically said that as a college ref, it's all about how much time and effort you want to invest in growth, and the rules are a lot more flexible ('more of suggestions' was how he put it), whereas in the NFL, there are strict guidelines, continuing ed courses, etc.

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pitts shot selection is so bad

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Watching Kentucky's center (Tshiebewe) get the ball under the basket, do a few pumps, and then slam it home makes me wonder why Basille couldn't do that everytime he gets the ball under the basket instead of attempting an up and under lay up for a miss.

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Tshiebewe is an explosive leaper. Basile not so much.

in a video game Tshiebewe would get a 95+ rating for jumping while Basile would get something like an 80. Agility and footwork also play a role.

Good news is that footwork can be improved, as can the confidence needed to make quick decisive moves.

ACC down to Miami and they may not survive Indiana

Man has the ACC ever not gotten a single team through the first weekend?

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

they had the worst seeds ever this year with uva the only one seeded as a favorite to survive the weekend

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Miami came out much stronger tonight and blew the doors off Indiana

ACC Women are doing pretty well though... Us, Miami, UNCheat, with Duke and Louisville still to play later.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Im curious how the acc will stand up to tye physicality of the other top seeded teams I have been watching

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Louisville is the outlier to me, the acc title game and their last tourney game they're physical/chippy all day

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WBB update: looking like a date against Tennessee in the sweet 16, as they are crushing Toledo.

Ohio State beat UNC at the buzzer, and will face uconn/baylor in the bottom half of our quadrant

VB born, class of '14

What a game MSU vs KSU

Ridiculous 3pt shooting night: MSU 12-24 and KSU 11-24 in regulation

Someone hit the OT button at BWW

nguessan playing well for k state

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Holy cow what an oop

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Love seeing N'Guessan doing so well

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Terrible final possession for MSU, good defense by KSU

My neighbor is a KSU grad, I imagine he's plenty happy right now

Alleyne moves on as well as UConn crushed Arkansas to get to Elite 8.

So, is now the part where we actively cheer against/put a hex on Kstate to avoid being the only D1 school without a team championship....asking for a friend

EDIT: Misery loves company. We are safe 😂

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The PAC12 is dead to me. Never, ever, will I be tricked into thinking any one of their teams is good enough to make the final four.

Until next year....

Miami, we need to talk about the shorts

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Are we about to have two 1's fall tonight?

Come on Miami hold on, let's make this an elite 8 with no 1s

Come on Xavier and knock out all the 2s

Has there ever been an Elite 8 with no one seeds?

And if Texas loses...

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College basketball may not have the most compelling regular season, but this post season is showing it's the antithesis of College football in the best way.

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Wow... 2 #1s down within a few minutes of each other. NO #1s.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

CHAOS!!!!

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Madness! even

THIS IS SPARTA

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Little know fact, they tried calling it March Chaos for a few years and it didn't quite work.

March Mayhem has a nice ring to it...

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

more evidence that basketball is the way to go in terms of resource prioritization. Football is toast unless we can jump conferences. Basketball could actually have a shot at a natty.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

Either men or women... just need to win 6 in a row in March. Its tough but the men won 4 in 4 nights last year and the women are on an absolute heater this year. Anything is possible!

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It's interesting that it appears the football arms race is absolutely destroying the big schools in basketball lately. The smaller schools who are pouring everything they have into basketball are the ones rising up in March.

Wonder if this is a one off or possibly indicative of a future trend

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Interesting theory. To be clear FAU and SDSU are both primarily spending on football. Schools going all in on basketball are teams without FBS football like Creighton, Xavier, Villanova, Gonzaga, Uconn (technically have it but don't care) , Marquette, St Johns, Dayton, VCU etc.

Will be interesting to see if this favors the big east/mid majors in the future

With the new coach they hired and bowl qualifying UCONN might actually care about football.

Not even comparable to basketball though. They may care about football in the way Alabama does basketball

It's really odd I've been looking at some stats I got to post soon, but I don't think the football money is helping the basketball schools as much as the media might be. The Big Football conferences appear to suck at top tier basketball, I need more research though. I am just looking for more trends to prove what I am seeing is true.

low key hoping Kansas State loses so that they don't get a natty before VT does

Done!

Alleyne is balling, look at all the ex players doing well after transferring out, nice to have someone to pull for on the men's side

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I counted 3 former Hokies who were in the elite 8, and 1 that's in the final four. Why can't we have nice things? Hope MY can figure out how to keep and develop some of the talent we get through the door. Tired of hearing the announcers say "former VT player."

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Who am I missing besides N'Guessan and Alleyne that were in the Elite 8?

Maimi fans are hoping they play fast with a 5:05pm game and a 7pm game

I finally know now that I am more horns down than U suk. Thanks March Madness

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

This is definitely not the final four teams I had in my bracket.

I had Miami to the final 4 and then losing to duke

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Holy crap. When was the last time there was a final four seeded this low? 4-5-5-9???

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Well we need to thank Miami for giving us the only major conference participation in the final four. Go Miami!
The Big Ten can go to hell.
So can the SEC.
And the Big 12.

UConn beats Miami because UConn looks f***ing amazing, FAU beats Creighton.

UConn beats FAU for the natty.

Remember it, write it down, take a picture, IDGAF!
Bye Felicia

The Big East is a major basketball conference

Who's bracket has FAU and SDSU in the Final 4? LMAO!

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Now, if y'all want to really see statistics and probability in action, consider my coin flip bracket this year.

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My bad. I didn't zoom into see you got just2/4 (still crazy). I thought you were claiming 4/4. Hope you have this in a money pool.

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Haha, no worries. I also don't play for money, just do the one coin flip bracket every year for fun.

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i dont think it's that bizarre to have a series of coinflips pick half the final four correctly

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I'm definitely going to have to use this method next year for one of my brackets haha. Epic.

And now I have questions. Do you alternate which flip moves forward? Is 1 region heads wins, 1 region tails wins, is you final score prediction determined by the number of heads/tails flipped ?

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I just pull up the bracket in the browser and go matchup by matchup a round at a time, heads is top line, tails is bottom line.

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what an ending to that game!

Terrible end game coaching by Dusty May. Even so FAU probably wins without some bush league reffing down the stretch