Bud will never likely be the head coach at VT, way to many big time donors don't like him. As for my personal feelings I don't believe he would make a good head ball coach.
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It's also illegal to have the title coach-in-waiting in the commonwealth of Virginia. Something about public universities having to have jobs posted for a certain amount of time or something.
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I wouldn't be worried about Bud leaving. I do hope PJ is out because I am so sick of playing that offence. It will be a tough job for whoever does take it. All those players were recruited for that scheme and it will take several years to overhaul the program to play a 21st century version of football.
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Yeah, GT will be quite a rebuilding job. Still, depending on how much longer Frank stays around, it could give Bud two or three years HC experience before taking that interview with Whit - assuming Whit considers Bud a candidate. But if 2016 (or sooner) is when Frank hangs it up, it wouldn't make sense for Bud to take the GT job for just one year - again, assuming Whit considers him a candidate.
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You know, next time you have a thought like that or one like whether Robin Williams has ever been in an adult film, just let it go or keep it to yourself.
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So you're saying that every time Bud Foster takes a pregame dump there's an intergalactic explosion in which unbreakable diamonds are formed? That makes sense.
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Just yesterday I was saying that your posts had been better lately, and congratulating you for it.
This is not one of those posts.
I'm reminded of the post I did noting that every comedian (and every message board commentator) believes they are funny when they dabble in racial humor, but damn few can pull it off. Basic rule of thumb: if you don't know whether you can be funny or not with an ethnic joke, you probably shouldn't try. And if you know for a fact you are funny, you most definitely shouldn't try.
The same could be said for potty humor. At best it's a giggle. Generally it's regarded as juvenile. In some cases it's just downright offensive. Rarely is it worth it.
Part of what is so remarkable about this community is that it feels like an adult community where lots of people with lots of opinions on lots of things can come together to share a passion for Hokie football without the tension or vitriol or general degeneracy that dooms so many other sites to unreadability by the average guy or gal that doesn't care to be pummeled with anyone else's drama or spastics.
You are who you are. One of the great disservices our society has done has been to remove the imperative that anyone should work to improve themselves in regards to how the interact with their communities.
TKPers, with extremely few exceptions, seem to exercise the concept that in a shared community, a certain level of decorum is expected. There is plenty of risque humor to be exercised. It takes some work to figure out where the lines are, but that's what the turkey legs are for.
All this could really be condensed into one simple concept: The comment section of TKP is like a frosty punch bowl on a hot day.
We all like punch. We all want punch. Don't ruin the punch bowl.
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Even having read the article, I feel like if GT called Bud the day after GT's Liberty Bowl loss he would have to think long and hard about it. He would be at a rival coaching and recruiting against us but I like to think his love of VT would bring him back to Blacksburg when Frank hung up the headphones if he did accept. He would then come back with head coaching experience at a high level and we would of course go on to dominate the college football landscape for years to come. Unless of course some crazy unforeseen circumstances happened and he never came back and just annihilated whatever offense we brought to the ATL for evermore.
I think of the question and the only answer I can come up with is
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To me, I don't think it's much of a decision. Bud isn't going to run a triple option offense. Which is what those players are recruited for. It would take so long recruiting guys to play a new offense that bud would be like nah, I'm good.
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I'm not convinced either way, he has a good shot tho id say althought it wont be easy with all the coaches I saw that had contacted babcock about the job, there's a lot of big name guys very interested in the job.
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Bud will face tough compititon don't get me wrong I saw names like pat narduzzi, kirby smart, chad morris etc etc, whit is gonna not only hire a big time coach when the time comes he's gonna shell out some cash.
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Agree totally on that, so leg for you. Whit will make a great hire, whether it comes from the current staff or elsewhere. Bud will certainly get a fair appraisal from Whit, too.
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I was thinking he was a spread guy at Sam Houston (am I thinking of the right guy?) but it makes sense that Southern would stick with that successful formula.
Thanks.
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At this point, there is zero chance Bud goes elsewhere until Frank retires. We all can see the finish line on that, and Bud's not going to suddenly jump elsewhere this close to being Frank's heir. Also, GT isn't a great job. Yes, it is in a good location, but getting recruits admitted and retaining them academically is TOUGH at GT. Not to mention, they'll always be the little sister instate to UGa. I've got zero worries about Bud leaving for ANYwhere, much less GT. He'll stay here until he learns if he does/doesn't get the job whenever Frank decides to retire. He's not leaving the sidelines at Lane before then.
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Only a Playoff5 conference HC position could draw Bud away, and only IF one of these occurs:
1) Whit indicates FB's replacement won't be promoted up from current staff.
2) Whit indicates SB or SL is as strong a candidate to replace FB as Bud is.
3) Frank indicates that he will extend his coaching career past 2016.
4) The school/money is so attractive he just can't turn it down. With our new offensive coaches/recruiting/philosophy hopefully improving offensive performance closer to the level of Bud's defenses, and thus returning VT to annual top15 status, that's gonna have to be one juicy (unlikely) offer!
5) Our new offense shows no improvement by 2015 and FB/Whit don't make staff changes again, ruling out another chance for Bud to play for another NC at VT.
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If GT offered Bud Foster the head coaching job this offseason it would be smart for him to take it unless he was promised the VT head coaching job after Beamer and that Beamer was going to retire soon. It's a job at a power 5 conference school with a strong talent base that's won a national title in the past. He loves VT but head coaching jobs in power 5 conferences don't come along often and he wants to be a head coach. He's 55 years old and can't wait around forever.
With that said if you are GT would you want a guy that doesn't have head coaching experience, any recruiting ties to the area, or history with the school? Bud Foster could be a hot name again if this season delivers another top defense and VT does well enough to garner a lot of national attention but he isn't the hottest name out there right now.
You could play what if games all day with this. Bottom line Bud Foster interviewed previously for other ACC head coaching jobs before and it would be the smart move for him personal career wise for him to take a power 5 head coaching job if offered. Have to take off O&M glasses to really answer that question. He of course wouldn't make a lateral move away from VT w/ Frank still here.
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I seriously doubt PJ gets fired this season for a multitude of reasons.
1) I think GT will have a good record
2) I don't think GT's administration necessarily believes that the hassle of firing PJ and the upheaval that would cause would lead to a significantly better on-field product. PJ's recruiting isn't great, but to be fair Georgia Tech's recruiting has never been great. They'd have to get a great coach to turn that program elite.
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Mostly that it's a paint in the butt offense to prepare for and the defense should be at least mediocre. Against that offense, even elite defenses can struggle (Bud's units gave up 20+ points just about every time he faced them until he got the hang of things a couple years ago) because it's so demanding in terms of maintaining discipline and individual responsibilities. So no, you won't look at their roster and their schedule and just go "there's a win there, and there, and there, etc." You'll look at that schedule and see a whole bunch of teams that could have a bad day and drop one against the Jackets. Only teams with elite D-lines are surefire wins (see VT last year), and there aren't many of those in the ACC.
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I think the transfer of Vad Lee is a good thing. He was a very good athlete, but he never was consistent either throwing the ball or (more importantly) making good decisions with the football.
Justin Thomas (or any of the other backups) are legit triple option quarterbacks. Removing just a couple of bad decisions a game will help that offense. Plus, I really like Zach Laskey their B-back. I think he's poised for a good season. If one of their huge wide receivers makes a leap into late-round NFL territory production, they should have a productive offense. Paul Johnson's O was ranked 44th last season. I doubt that continues, especially with reports that the offense is getting rid of all the spread stuff they tried to appease Vad Lee. They're getting back to the basics.
Defensively they were ranked 28th last season, easily the best they've had under Paul Johnson. Ted Roof has done a great job getting the defense ranked that high, especially considering he spends an entire offseason practicing against an offense he'll never see on gameday.
If the defense stays at the same production level (or even improves under another year of Ted Roof's system) and the offense's "back to our roots" approach pays off (with athletic Justin Thomas under center) then I wouldn't be surprised to see GT back in the running for the Coastal.
With all the new starters in the front seven, I'm very worried about how the defense will look against Georgia Tech. Especially without an extra week to prepare. I believe in Foster winning the day, but it'll be much harder this season than previous ones.
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Good stuff, thanks. I've always thought they were better defensively than given credit for. It helps that their offense puts so much pressure on the opposing offense to score and possess the ball. Truly a synergistic system.
I thought Lee leaving probably wasn't a bad thing. Great athlete but he didn't have the same decision making as Josh Nesbitt.
But I wonder how much opposing DC's are getting comfortable playing against PJ's system. Some of what he does has to be a fad, so the more you see it and others see it, the better you can prepare....and maybe not need that extra week.
I'm of the opinion that PJ is a genius and he will likely evolve faster than (most of) the DC's he faces. He makes it interesting.
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I'll have to respectfully but vehemently disagree.
While I agree that the QB play with likely be better, they lost a ton up front. Something like 110+ starts on their offensive line, which is a major blow. That system takes time to perfect, especially up front, and it will take them some time to be firing on all cylinders. That young offense may not improve in terms of turnovers. Add to that a relative lack of proven playmakers and this year may not be the year that they surprise people.
On defense, that statistic is very misleading. They really, really struggled against the better (not even great) teams on their schedule last year after both starting safeties were hurt. See Miami, BYU, Clemson, etc. They also lost something like 7 out of their top 10 players on the DL, which was easily the strength of their defense last year. I don't think they have the talent to replace all of those guys, especially not early, and I don't think they have the talent to run 4-2-5 looks like they want.
I guess we'll see. Excited for the games to actually start.
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Number 2 is interesting. My impression is that the hive is getting very impatient with PJ. Isn't his seat pretty hot? Like Mike London hot, but with a smaller buyout?
Either way, the immensity of the rebuilding job (especially on O) might be a lot for Bud to want to take on.
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I thought that was the buyout initially and it was reduced every year he stayed.
EDIT: After doing a little research it looks like pj is guaranteed the full amount if his contract. So if GT fires him after the 2014 season they would owe just under 2.7 mil.
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Isn't his seat pretty hot? Like Mike London hot, but with a smaller buyout?
Not anywhere close to Mike London hot. Georgia Tech's financial situation is worse than UVA's from my understanding, and at least Paul Johnson is getting to bowl games.
The fact that we're even talking about this is proof that Paul Johnson is on the wrong side of the "Is he on the hotseat?" line, but he's not in the same pickle that London is.
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I'm definitely here to eat my crow. I did not see this coming- in particular the success forcing turnovers and turning them into points. Big key to their success this year.
On a side note, did anyone see the Clemson QB throw the exact same interception to GT as Brewer? Same CB, same route concept, same misread, everything.
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i've twisted and contorted my brain in just about every way possible and i just can't see it [bud taking the GT position] happening.
whether it's loyalty, or love of VT, or whatever, i just can't see him coaching at any school in the ACC. GT especially so. like others have mentioned, it would be an overhaul of colossal proportions at GT and if he's interested in being the big whistle at VT, he wouldn't have nearly enough time to turn it around. if frank were 5 years younger, maybe it would be worthwhile to get the experience/resume builder but 3 years (just guessing about frank's retirement) would just be a mess. lastly, a downtown big city type of school isn't exactly a fit for bud and his family, nor do i think bud would be a fit for GT. i would imagine that a decent percentage of their fan base would see him unfairly as some hillbilly redneck who could never live up to their expectations. as ridiculous as that is, i could see it happening.
this is a guess, but if bud truly wants to be the next head coach at VT, he probably thinks that his best shot at getting that position is to stay at VT until frank sails into the sunset, and i'd agree with him.
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Does anyone think that Bud would even entertain the thought of replacing London at LOLUVA after London gets fired? (that was really hard to write with out vomiting a little)
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Anybody else wonder about GT's brilliance in giving a coach a fully guaranteed contract? They owe him his full contract amount if they fire him or not. I also think it is funny that they fired Chan Gailey because he went 7-6 too often, but when you compare him to CPJ he beat UGA as much or more and never had a losing season which CPJ has.
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I would imagine there is a LOT more administrative leadway at GiT. And I'm not saying that GiT is dirty, just saying that Navy is a lot more difficult to just accomplish little things, yet alone big things. Whole different lifestyle and regiment.
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I mean... half of me wants them to fire CPJ cause I freakin LOATHE the stupid offense he runs... But at that same time, the other half wants them to keep him around cause he's so far in over his head in this division now that his offense has been figured out that GT really doesn't pose much of a threat anymore, especially when they've been rollin out tiwgs for QBs ever since Nesbitt left. They have no WR talent, their RBs are alright, and their QBs get roughed up so badly that, for the most part, by the time they get to the meat of their ACC slate, someone important is lost for significant time. Their offense literally runs players into injuries.
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Well, no more than 30 seconds after you hear him speak, for sure. That's why he & AlGroh were such an odd pairing. Their personalities mirror each other.
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Pretty sure just since they hired CPJ in 2008. Before that they had a real offense, with real receivers...Calvin Johnson, Demayrius Thomas to name a few.
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Only under Paul Johnson. Before that they ran 'normal' offenses (meaning commonplace for the times), changing over the years as fads came & went, It's just Johnson that influenced the option.
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His offense may have been figured out, but that is one game every year that I'll never over look. Mainly because of 2009, I think, we were ranked 4th and they beat us and then we lost to UNC the next week. At Home. On Thursday Night. Fucked our whole universe up losing to them. At least we did beat the snot out of a Lane Kiffen team and an SEC team that year in the bowl game.
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My friend who rooted for UT religiously hyped that game all coming up to the game. He kept saying that any team that lost to GT and UNC was a garbage team who could never beat any team in the SEC, let alone UT. That was a good game.
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I feel the need to jump in and state that Paul Johnson's offense has not been "figured out", mostly because there was never anything to "figure out". It's very clear what he wants to do and how he's going to try to do it.
The reason his offensive numbers haven't been as impressive the past few seasons is because his talent has dropped off and because defensive players are used to seeing it year after year. Coaching with less talent and against more experienced players makes winning very hard. Factor in the overall improvement of the ACC over the past seven years (FSU, Clemson, Duke, even Miami to a degree) and that's a recipe for a step back.
Whether or not Paul Johnson is able to accomplish more than he already has at GT will be determined by the quality of players he brings in.
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Lol, one win over UGA and they go from hating him to loving him. I doubt GT will be very good next year. I think this was more a matter of the good teams had bad years and that left GT float to the top of the crap pile.
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I'd bet the triple option could still be successful at Nebraska, maybe even VERY successful.
If I'm PJ, I'm wondering if I can consistently beat UGA. And by consistent I mean like once or twice every 5 years, enough to keep it respectable. So if an offer from Nebraska comes along, I'm looking hard at that.
PJ prolly don't care tho.
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Pretty funny. They were in the same position this time...giving him an early extension with too big of a buyout. 2 years from now they'll be complaining about not being to fire him.
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The Hokies probably took this year's loss really badly, and will seek to exact some serious payback in Atlanta next year. Just like what happened after 2009. With CPJ, GT can every now and then show a good flash, but I can't see him consistently out-doing VT on the field. There's a pretty good chance in the next year or two, Jackets will want him gone again.
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The whole issue seems to be that Bobinski doesn't get to claim Johnson as his hire, thus making Bobinski want a chance to put his own imprint on the football program. The problem is that Johnson is juuust a little bit too good to outright fire. At GT, at least. Much like Tony Bennett at UVa hoops, Johnson is an appropriate fit at GaTech football. Good enough to be a headache for the rest of the ACC, but not sexy enough to become a national power.
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On another note, why does Paul Johnson even coach football? He just looks like he's miserable during every second of every game. Except while saying the quote above, I've never seen him show anything other than complete and utter hatred for his job. Maybe he just enjoys inflicting pain on everyone else, so he sticks around just to torment us with his offense.
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vt should make bud foster coach in waiting to end all speculation once and for all.
Agreed in theory, but it seems like that kind of setup doesn't work very well most of the time. I wish it did.
Bud will never likely be the head coach at VT, way to many big time donors don't like him. As for my personal feelings I don't believe he would make a good head ball coach.
It's also illegal to have the title coach-in-waiting in the commonwealth of Virginia. Something about public universities having to have jobs posted for a certain amount of time or something.
I wouldn't be worried about Bud leaving. I do hope PJ is out because I am so sick of playing that offence. It will be a tough job for whoever does take it. All those players were recruited for that scheme and it will take several years to overhaul the program to play a 21st century version of football.
Yeah, GT will be quite a rebuilding job. Still, depending on how much longer Frank stays around, it could give Bud two or three years HC experience before taking that interview with Whit - assuming Whit considers Bud a candidate. But if 2016 (or sooner) is when Frank hangs it up, it wouldn't make sense for Bud to take the GT job for just one year - again, assuming Whit considers him a candidate.
True.
That's gonna be a completely new system once PJ leaves with different players/skill sets with transfers and a big mess.
I'm sick of watching that offense. Especially in person.
2 words: Mike London
Or they could bring back Al Groh...
maybe they could reunite in Atlanta and mold those young men into the greatest 3rd down defense the game has ever seen.
this wouldn't even be thread if you read Joe's article about a day in the life of Bud.
read it
READ IT, OR ELSE!!!
Something I've always wondered; what happens to the universe when Bud pinches a loaf?
You know, next time you have a thought like that or one like whether Robin Williams has ever been in an adult film, just let it go or keep it to yourself.
Or else...
No ultimatum, just something to do for the advancement of the community rather than the degradation to juvenile attempts at humor.
So you're saying that every time Bud Foster takes a pregame dump there's an intergalactic explosion in which unbreakable diamonds are formed? That makes sense.
Just yesterday I was saying that your posts had been better lately, and congratulating you for it.
This is not one of those posts.
I'm reminded of the post I did noting that every comedian (and every message board commentator) believes they are funny when they dabble in racial humor, but damn few can pull it off. Basic rule of thumb: if you don't know whether you can be funny or not with an ethnic joke, you probably shouldn't try. And if you know for a fact you are funny, you most definitely shouldn't try.
The same could be said for potty humor. At best it's a giggle. Generally it's regarded as juvenile. In some cases it's just downright offensive. Rarely is it worth it.
Part of what is so remarkable about this community is that it feels like an adult community where lots of people with lots of opinions on lots of things can come together to share a passion for Hokie football without the tension or vitriol or general degeneracy that dooms so many other sites to unreadability by the average guy or gal that doesn't care to be pummeled with anyone else's drama or spastics.
You are who you are. One of the great disservices our society has done has been to remove the imperative that anyone should work to improve themselves in regards to how the interact with their communities.
TKPers, with extremely few exceptions, seem to exercise the concept that in a shared community, a certain level of decorum is expected. There is plenty of risque humor to be exercised. It takes some work to figure out where the lines are, but that's what the turkey legs are for.
All this could really be condensed into one simple concept: The comment section of TKP is like a frosty punch bowl on a hot day.
We all like punch. We all want punch. Don't ruin the punch bowl.
If I can get one smirk, muffled laugh or smile (even if I'm unaware of it) then mission accomplished.
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Even having read the article, I feel like if GT called Bud the day after GT's Liberty Bowl loss he would have to think long and hard about it. He would be at a rival coaching and recruiting against us but I like to think his love of VT would bring him back to Blacksburg when Frank hung up the headphones if he did accept. He would then come back with head coaching experience at a high level and we would of course go on to dominate the college football landscape for years to come. Unless of course some crazy unforeseen circumstances happened and he never came back and just annihilated whatever offense we brought to the ATL for evermore.
I think of the question and the only answer I can come up with is
To me, I don't think it's much of a decision. Bud isn't going to run a triple option offense. Which is what those players are recruited for. It would take so long recruiting guys to play a new offense that bud would be like nah, I'm good.
Yeah. Next man up at GT is totally boned. More so than UVA.
It'd take 2 years minimum before a new coach & scheme started showing any real progress, and probably 3 to 4 to start winning consistently with it.
And those first 2 years are likely to be seriously, soul-eating horrible.
Not many programs are willing to give a coach that long, or put up with the pain that kind of change would require.
Is GT the kind of place that would do that? (queue "You Can Do That" nerdgasm).
I don't know. They aren't your normal institution, but, unlike UVA, they still have pride.
And like Marcellus Wallace will tell you, pride stings.
What does Marcellus Wallace look like?
After hearing buds talk he had with whit babcock I'm not convinced he wont be our next head coach, its his dream job and in my book deserves a shot.
Dat double negative... so you're convinced he will be the next head coach?
I'm not convinced either way, he has a good shot tho id say althought it wont be easy with all the coaches I saw that had contacted babcock about the job, there's a lot of big name guys very interested in the job.
Bud will face tough compititon don't get me wrong I saw names like pat narduzzi, kirby smart, chad morris etc etc, whit is gonna not only hire a big time coach when the time comes he's gonna shell out some cash.
That's my take. Just because Bud wants it doesn't make it a foregone conclusion that he gets it.
I agree, he will get his chance to sell himself but I trust whit to hire the right guy that can take tech to the next level.
Agree totally on that, so leg for you. Whit will make a great hire, whether it comes from the current staff or elsewhere. Bud will certainly get a fair appraisal from Whit, too.
They could hire the guy from Navy...
Or Army, or Air Force.
Or Georgia Southern.
Or at least 30% of the high school teams in Georgia.
Army already hired Monken from Georgia Southern.
New coach Willie Fritz runs the option too.
I was thinking he was a spread guy at Sam Houston (am I thinking of the right guy?) but it makes sense that Southern would stick with that successful formula.
Thanks.
Just to make sure, I checked before posting. He ran spread option at Sam Houston but said he would keep running the triple option at GaSo.
At this point, there is zero chance Bud goes elsewhere until Frank retires. We all can see the finish line on that, and Bud's not going to suddenly jump elsewhere this close to being Frank's heir. Also, GT isn't a great job. Yes, it is in a good location, but getting recruits admitted and retaining them academically is TOUGH at GT. Not to mention, they'll always be the little sister instate to UGa. I've got zero worries about Bud leaving for ANYwhere, much less GT. He'll stay here until he learns if he does/doesn't get the job whenever Frank decides to retire. He's not leaving the sidelines at Lane before then.
Only a Playoff5 conference HC position could draw Bud away, and only IF one of these occurs:
1) Whit indicates FB's replacement won't be promoted up from current staff.
2) Whit indicates SB or SL is as strong a candidate to replace FB as Bud is.
3) Frank indicates that he will extend his coaching career past 2016.
4) The school/money is so attractive he just can't turn it down. With our new offensive coaches/recruiting/philosophy hopefully improving offensive performance closer to the level of Bud's defenses, and thus returning VT to annual top15 status, that's gonna have to be one juicy (unlikely) offer!
5) Our new offense shows no improvement by 2015 and FB/Whit don't make staff changes again, ruling out another chance for Bud to play for another NC at VT.
If GT offered Bud Foster the head coaching job this offseason it would be smart for him to take it unless he was promised the VT head coaching job after Beamer and that Beamer was going to retire soon. It's a job at a power 5 conference school with a strong talent base that's won a national title in the past. He loves VT but head coaching jobs in power 5 conferences don't come along often and he wants to be a head coach. He's 55 years old and can't wait around forever.
With that said if you are GT would you want a guy that doesn't have head coaching experience, any recruiting ties to the area, or history with the school? Bud Foster could be a hot name again if this season delivers another top defense and VT does well enough to garner a lot of national attention but he isn't the hottest name out there right now.
You could play what if games all day with this. Bottom line Bud Foster interviewed previously for other ACC head coaching jobs before and it would be the smart move for him personal career wise for him to take a power 5 head coaching job if offered. Have to take off O&M glasses to really answer that question. He of course wouldn't make a lateral move away from VT w/ Frank still here.
I seriously doubt PJ gets fired this season for a multitude of reasons.
1) I think GT will have a good record
2) I don't think GT's administration necessarily believes that the hassle of firing PJ and the upheaval that would cause would lead to a significantly better on-field product. PJ's recruiting isn't great, but to be fair Georgia Tech's recruiting has never been great. They'd have to get a great coach to turn that program elite.
You think they will be better than 6-6? If so, what do you see in their personnel makes you think so?
Mostly that it's a paint in the butt offense to prepare for and the defense should be at least mediocre. Against that offense, even elite defenses can struggle (Bud's units gave up 20+ points just about every time he faced them until he got the hang of things a couple years ago) because it's so demanding in terms of maintaining discipline and individual responsibilities. So no, you won't look at their roster and their schedule and just go "there's a win there, and there, and there, etc." You'll look at that schedule and see a whole bunch of teams that could have a bad day and drop one against the Jackets. Only teams with elite D-lines are surefire wins (see VT last year), and there aren't many of those in the ACC.
I think the transfer of Vad Lee is a good thing. He was a very good athlete, but he never was consistent either throwing the ball or (more importantly) making good decisions with the football.
Justin Thomas (or any of the other backups) are legit triple option quarterbacks. Removing just a couple of bad decisions a game will help that offense. Plus, I really like Zach Laskey their B-back. I think he's poised for a good season. If one of their huge wide receivers makes a leap into late-round NFL territory production, they should have a productive offense. Paul Johnson's O was ranked 44th last season. I doubt that continues, especially with reports that the offense is getting rid of all the spread stuff they tried to appease Vad Lee. They're getting back to the basics.
Defensively they were ranked 28th last season, easily the best they've had under Paul Johnson. Ted Roof has done a great job getting the defense ranked that high, especially considering he spends an entire offseason practicing against an offense he'll never see on gameday.
If the defense stays at the same production level (or even improves under another year of Ted Roof's system) and the offense's "back to our roots" approach pays off (with athletic Justin Thomas under center) then I wouldn't be surprised to see GT back in the running for the Coastal.
With all the new starters in the front seven, I'm very worried about how the defense will look against Georgia Tech. Especially without an extra week to prepare. I believe in Foster winning the day, but it'll be much harder this season than previous ones.
Good stuff, thanks. I've always thought they were better defensively than given credit for. It helps that their offense puts so much pressure on the opposing offense to score and possess the ball. Truly a synergistic system.
I thought Lee leaving probably wasn't a bad thing. Great athlete but he didn't have the same decision making as Josh Nesbitt.
But I wonder how much opposing DC's are getting comfortable playing against PJ's system. Some of what he does has to be a fad, so the more you see it and others see it, the better you can prepare....and maybe not need that extra week.
I'm of the opinion that PJ is a genius and he will likely evolve faster than (most of) the DC's he faces. He makes it interesting.
I'll have to respectfully but vehemently disagree.
While I agree that the QB play with likely be better, they lost a ton up front. Something like 110+ starts on their offensive line, which is a major blow. That system takes time to perfect, especially up front, and it will take them some time to be firing on all cylinders. That young offense may not improve in terms of turnovers. Add to that a relative lack of proven playmakers and this year may not be the year that they surprise people.
On defense, that statistic is very misleading. They really, really struggled against the better (not even great) teams on their schedule last year after both starting safeties were hurt. See Miami, BYU, Clemson, etc. They also lost something like 7 out of their top 10 players on the DL, which was easily the strength of their defense last year. I don't think they have the talent to replace all of those guys, especially not early, and I don't think they have the talent to run 4-2-5 looks like they want.
I guess we'll see. Excited for the games to actually start.
Hey, you win some, you lose some.
Bump.
This is why you write articles and the rest of us hang out in the comments.
On a related note, why did you change your username and where is your "Staff" badge?
I was wondering about that too.
It takes a lot of time and effort and teamwork for us to put out the content that we do. I am very proud of our work and wanted to put my name on it.
Crap, I just figured it out when I saw your twitter follow button.
Number 2 is interesting. My impression is that the hive is getting very impatient with PJ. Isn't his seat pretty hot? Like Mike London hot, but with a smaller buyout?
Either way, the immensity of the rebuilding job (especially on O) might be a lot for Bud to want to take on.
PJ's buyout is huge. Over $7 million.
I thought that was the buyout initially and it was reduced every year he stayed.
EDIT: After doing a little research it looks like pj is guaranteed the full amount if his contract. So if GT fires him after the 2014 season they would owe just under 2.7 mil.
Not anywhere close to Mike London hot. Georgia Tech's financial situation is worse than UVA's from my understanding, and at least Paul Johnson is getting to bowl games.
The fact that we're even talking about this is proof that Paul Johnson is on the wrong side of the "Is he on the hotseat?" line, but he's not in the same pickle that London is.
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Yup, didn't see that coming - especially not the Clemson win.
This will just make beating them out of revenge next year, all the more satisfying.
we had those fuckers beat this year.
I'm definitely here to eat my crow. I did not see this coming- in particular the success forcing turnovers and turning them into points. Big key to their success this year.
On a side note, did anyone see the Clemson QB throw the exact same interception to GT as Brewer? Same CB, same route concept, same misread, everything.
i've twisted and contorted my brain in just about every way possible and i just can't see it [bud taking the GT position] happening.
whether it's loyalty, or love of VT, or whatever, i just can't see him coaching at any school in the ACC. GT especially so. like others have mentioned, it would be an overhaul of colossal proportions at GT and if he's interested in being the big whistle at VT, he wouldn't have nearly enough time to turn it around. if frank were 5 years younger, maybe it would be worthwhile to get the experience/resume builder but 3 years (just guessing about frank's retirement) would just be a mess. lastly, a downtown big city type of school isn't exactly a fit for bud and his family, nor do i think bud would be a fit for GT. i would imagine that a decent percentage of their fan base would see him unfairly as some hillbilly redneck who could never live up to their expectations. as ridiculous as that is, i could see it happening.
this is a guess, but if bud truly wants to be the next head coach at VT, he probably thinks that his best shot at getting that position is to stay at VT until frank sails into the sunset, and i'd agree with him.
Does anyone think that Bud would even entertain the thought of replacing London at LOLUVA after London gets fired? (that was really hard to write with out vomiting a little)
What are ya, crazy?
Don't EVER entertain that thought again.
Anybody else wonder about GT's brilliance in giving a coach a fully guaranteed contract? They owe him his full contract amount if they fire him or not. I also think it is funny that they fired Chan Gailey because he went 7-6 too often, but when you compare him to CPJ he beat UGA as much or more and never had a losing season which CPJ has.
CPJ shoulda stuck with Navy.
I would imagine there is a LOT more administrative leadway at GiT. And I'm not saying that GiT is dirty, just saying that Navy is a lot more difficult to just accomplish little things, yet alone big things. Whole different lifestyle and regiment.
I mean... half of me wants them to fire CPJ cause I freakin LOATHE the stupid offense he runs... But at that same time, the other half wants them to keep him around cause he's so far in over his head in this division now that his offense has been figured out that GT really doesn't pose much of a threat anymore, especially when they've been rollin out tiwgs for QBs ever since Nesbitt left. They have no WR talent, their RBs are alright, and their QBs get roughed up so badly that, for the most part, by the time they get to the meat of their ACC slate, someone important is lost for significant time. Their offense literally runs players into injuries.
this is true for the defenses they play too. chopgate has not been forgotten, nor forgiven.
I don't dislike him because of his offense, just because he seems like an A$$.
He has that Simon Cowell vibe going where you want to dislike him just by looking at him....
Well, no more than 30 seconds after you hear him speak, for sure. That's why he & AlGroh were such an odd pairing. Their personalities mirror each other.
He has a very punchable face
The face where he always looks like he ripped out a fart?
So, as someone who has only followed college football +religiously+ for the past 7 years or so... how long as Georgia Tech ran the triple option?
Pretty sure just since they hired CPJ in 2008. Before that they had a real offense, with real receivers...Calvin Johnson, Demayrius Thomas to name a few.
Only under Paul Johnson. Before that they ran 'normal' offenses (meaning commonplace for the times), changing over the years as fads came & went, It's just Johnson that influenced the option.
His offense may have been figured out, but that is one game every year that I'll never over look. Mainly because of 2009, I think, we were ranked 4th and they beat us and then we lost to UNC the next week. At Home. On Thursday Night. Fucked our whole universe up losing to them. At least we did beat the snot out of a Lane Kiffen team and an SEC team that year in the bowl game.
My friend who rooted for UT religiously hyped that game all coming up to the game. He kept saying that any team that lost to GT and UNC was a garbage team who could never beat any team in the SEC, let alone UT. That was a good game.
I feel the need to jump in and state that Paul Johnson's offense has not been "figured out", mostly because there was never anything to "figure out". It's very clear what he wants to do and how he's going to try to do it.
The reason his offensive numbers haven't been as impressive the past few seasons is because his talent has dropped off and because defensive players are used to seeing it year after year. Coaching with less talent and against more experienced players makes winning very hard. Factor in the overall improvement of the ACC over the past seven years (FSU, Clemson, Duke, even Miami to a degree) and that's a recipe for a step back.
Whether or not Paul Johnson is able to accomplish more than he already has at GT will be determined by the quality of players he brings in.
GA Tech is 9-2... He won't be fired.
And if Duke doesn't win their next two, they'll be Coastal champs again. Good 'ol Crazy Coastal.
And everyone hated Holly Anderson for saying it might happen in a very comical way.
Was going to say the same thing. Beating Clemson will help too.
It's interesting that GT fans have gone from clamoring for Johnson's head to declaring themselves world beaters over essentially 2-3 wins.
Winning cures everything.
at the same time, they'll probably lose to their hated SEC rival once again.
Edit: They did not. #GOACC
Reportedly, Georgia Tech has offered CPJ a contract extension.
http://jeffschultz.blog.ajc.com/2014/12/01/georgia-tech-offers-johnson-c...
Lol, one win over UGA and they go from hating him to loving him. I doubt GT will be very good next year. I think this was more a matter of the good teams had bad years and that left GT float to the top of the crap pile.
Boy do I disagree, for all the reasons that i predicted they'd have a good season.
Unless JT gets hurt
Haha, have you read some of the 180s regarding Beamer and SL since the UVA victory?
SI mentioned PJ today as a replacement for Pellini. That's interesting, taking the trip-option back to Nebraska.
That would be something.
I'd bet the triple option could still be successful at Nebraska, maybe even VERY successful.
If I'm PJ, I'm wondering if I can consistently beat UGA. And by consistent I mean like once or twice every 5 years, enough to keep it respectable. So if an offer from Nebraska comes along, I'm looking hard at that.
PJ prolly don't care tho.
Pretty funny. They were in the same position this time...giving him an early extension with too big of a buyout. 2 years from now they'll be complaining about not being to fire him.
Methinks you forgot to change back to your regular username...
Yeah...but it makes it funny :)
The Hokies probably took this year's loss really badly, and will seek to exact some serious payback in Atlanta next year. Just like what happened after 2009. With CPJ, GT can every now and then show a good flash, but I can't see him consistently out-doing VT on the field. There's a pretty good chance in the next year or two, Jackets will want him gone again.
The whole issue seems to be that Bobinski doesn't get to claim Johnson as his hire, thus making Bobinski want a chance to put his own imprint on the football program. The problem is that Johnson is juuust a little bit too good to outright fire. At GT, at least. Much like Tony Bennett at UVa hoops, Johnson is an appropriate fit at GaTech football. Good enough to be a headache for the rest of the ACC, but not sexy enough to become a national power.
So assuming PJ is fired...
Had to revisit the thread, looking for "something, something...reports of my death... blah, blah.."
Next stop FSU. Amazing, really.
nightmarish twist to this thread:
paul johnson jumps ship for virginia tech when frank is through coaching.
HOW COULD YOU EVEN WRITE SOMETHING LIKE THAT?!
I was reading something yesterday - I think on SI - saying that PJ should go to Nebraska and reinstall the triple option there. Party like it's 1995.
I knew watching the game this year that GT has a QB that will be great for them....
I hate we're playing them in ATL this year
This is outstanding.
I was thinking the same thing the whole game.
On another note, why does Paul Johnson even coach football? He just looks like he's miserable during every second of every game. Except while saying the quote above, I've never seen him show anything other than complete and utter hatred for his job. Maybe he just enjoys inflicting pain on everyone else, so he sticks around just to torment us with his offense.
I think he cracked a smile when he caught them trying to give him the Gatorade bath.
Yes CPJ. Maybe he can be the ACC's version of Hatin' Ass Spurrier