I see where Phreak has his video library for sale. I was wondering if TKP was looking into purchasing his library. I think it would enhance the site in big way.
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Considering I used his site to relive the Ohio state game like 20 times, id love it
#Go Fund Us...Please?
Edit: For the record, this was a joke. Never seen any of this stuff, avoid You Tube as much as possible, don't know phreak from phrinola. Used to record games on VCR, now on DVR, but after watching them a couple of times, or never again if we lost, I just move on. Last thing I'd ever do is try to tell Joe what to do on TKP. This site is darned near perfect from my perspective.
No.
haha just messin'. Knowing you Joe you have your reasoning for it.
EDIT: Yeah had I known how far things were about to be taken I wouldn't have even posted this response. But now I think I'll keep it up because it makes me chuckle
I'm guessing the reason is copyright law? I love Phreak's stuff, but by the letter of the law, it's pirated.
No worries Joe. I know you don't like me. Hell, you blocked me on Twitter after your drunken exchange with me at our last ACC Champioship appearance. I wouldn't expect anything else from you. And so it's probably okay with you when your video guys take my content that I created & uploaded to create their own videos but can't give me credit. It's all good.
Oh snap
If all it takes to get an "Oh snap" is to get pissy and lodge an informal falsified complaint, I'll swing on by once I'm riled up after trying to get my son to eat a dinner.
Lol, how old is the kid.
It was more like, "oh snap, I did not see this thread going that way."
I was bustin' chops.
He's a wee one, too young to drink without a fake.
The trouble comes when they're wee ones who are old enough to drink.
Oh snap.
Edit: too late to the party. KoastalKings beat me to it. Motherfucker better go green.
Go green?
any post that gets a net positive total of 10 or more turkey legs turns green
Post removal. Happy hour casualty.
...i'm so confused..
I'm glad it wasn't just me.
Eh...went to happy hour, made a post, deleted post.
From there, who knows?
It looks like I am instructing myself to zip it, to which Bob here says,
"Wise policy".
I never met you so I don't have an opinion on you. Although, lobbing up an outlandish false accusation reasoned by "I don't like you" is absurd, and makes me think less of your character. I blocked you on Twitter several years later because it was the most efficient way for me to not see you hating on Jim Weaver's medical condition.
If I had an actual problem with you, I wouldn't let you self promote your videos on TKP.
Bill's been recording his own footage of full games since 2011 (see the screenshot below). If he used any of the clips in his CROWD SOURCED power hour (that originally came from ESPN) then I'll make sure to pour one out for you before I take a shot the next time I am enjoying Bill's masterpiece.
If I've learned anything from this exchange it's that HokieTapes is an outstanding citizen.
And I'll say three things:
1. Earlier in this thread I said I wouldn't buy his content, because: a) it's not his, it's ESPN's, Raycom's etc, and b) if we ever needed older video HokieTapes would provide it ( and we've always given him thanks).
2. When you f-bomb Bill or anyone else who busts their butt for nothing to make TKP a thing, I block you.
3. I'm sitting on my deck enjoying beer(s) and grilling. More and more I realize there are plenty of wonderful things to do with my family than make sure there are articles ready to go. I'm sorry for being selfish but it's the truth.
I like how you roll sir
#3, good realization to have.
#3 is absolutely correct. Those who know me here know that i have great insight into this. Don't burn the steaks, Joe.....
Side note: really great to see you posting every now and again the past few weeks or so. Hope you and the family are doing well.
Thanks man......we're hangin' in there best we can......
Glad to see you on here! Still trying to get my hands on some of those Hokie Spirit daylilies.
where do you live? I'm in NJ.... i have plenty to divide........i should be able to make it happen......even if i have to mail them...
I live in southwest VA. If you ever get around to dividing them, I'd gladly pay you shipping for some bulbs. And bring you some beer at a tailgate sometime in the future.
Had no idea what they were so I Googled and found them (they're awesome!):
https://brentandbeckysbulbs.com/SHOP-PRODUCTS
those are pretty cool, but these are actually are the ones i have...they're an asian lilly....
Whoa.
Where can I find those?
I have no idea why I'm taking such an interest because I know zilch about flowers but well...maroon and orange...
I want all the maroon and orange lilies!
Hammer, Fish, & EPhokie - i should be able to handle hooking u all up with a few bulbs each (and maybe a couple more people) if you want them....i probably should wait till after they bloom (in a couple of weeks) and divide them up late summer/early fall...then u can still get them in the ground to get comfortable before they winter. I started with about 4 bulbs of these 3 or 4 years ago and they at pretty much double the number each year, so i've got about 30 bulbs or so now and i dig them up and spread them out a little more each year....I'll post some new pictures of the group of them when they bloom & get back to you about getting some to you.....
That would be awesome, and of course also would cover your shipping costs.
High level of interest here, too.
Very interested as well. My mother and I have been looking for awhile.
So beautiful!!
Also interested if you have any left after all of this. I'll secretly replace a few of the lilies that we already have and surprise my wife. I'll tell her they must have evolved to match the VT flags in the yard.
That would be fabulous! Do you have any information on them in case we miss each other later? *plotting an entire maroon & orange flowerbed now*
I know they're an asian lily....im just not entirely sure of the species.....I'm 99 percent sure they're either lilium asiaticum 'tango orange art', or lilium asiaticum 'tiny orange sensation'. if you google either of these, the pictures seem to have more orange than maroon, and mine started out kind of that way, but seem to be getting more maroon than orange over time (which is just fine by me - i'll let someone else do the obligatory #somethingsomethingeverything joke). anyway - as i said I'll post some pics of them in bloom in all their glory later this summer, and take inventory to share in the fall, and refer back to this thread for those that asked first.
also...all this talk about flowers (which I'm proud to say i find gardening very relaxing and therapeutic) alway makes me think of this.....
How tall are yours? There's a major height difference between the two (Tango orange are 40-44" and tiny orange are 14-16")
id say 36" or so.....much closer to 40-44 than 14-16...also colder climate here in NJ...so maybe that holds them down a little....i always leaned towards them being Tango Orange.....also the flowers are as big as your fully stretched out hand....
Only at TKP could this thread end up a flower conversation. :-)
OK so I will just wait until next year once all of the ones you have split and sent have multiplied. There needs to be a secret campaign for Hokies to plant these at other teams stadiums for a nice surprise the following year.
Any idea how they do in pots? If they'll survive on my windowsill then I'm totally up for one.
you know, i'm not really sure....i suppose they'd be ok...they're really not that much different than the easter lillies you get in pots...their blooming cycle will probably be unpredictable being inside all the time, but i think they would survive just fine....
I had a lily in a pot back in college, it did fine, but the blooming cycle was a little wacky.
Is that a euphemism?
Beautiful flower. If anyone has cats just be careful because I believe most lillies are poisonous to cats
i looked it up and apparently this may be true, but we have four cats who can go indoor/outdoor at will, and a bunch of different types of lillies, and we've never had a problem.......although the cats using my gardens as a litter box is an different story.....
They are only poisonous if your cats eat them, specifically the flower. There are many flowers and plants that are poisonous to animals if they eat them. Poinsettias, lilies, azaleas, and others. Just don't mix lily with their meow mix and you're good.
Same here, one cat doesn't care about mine either.
I have so many of these in my yard I can't kill them all. Every time I dig them up and replant them in the lily bed the old site springs up 20 new ones the next year.
So if you need any help propagating them, my backyard appears to be the reverse-bermuda-triangle for lillies.
People in the nrv can purchase them from Riverbend Nursery.
Where is that? Is it the one beside Kroger in C-burg across from CVS?
link to the nursery and the flower.
http://www.riverbendnursery.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant_id=5254
You rock! Thanks :)
Also of potential interest - there is a flower known as a Jolly Joker (I think it is a type of pansy) that is planted all over VT, as well. My mom loved them, so I found some seeds online (forget where, this was back in 2003) and gave them to her as a Mother's Day gift one year.
No fernley...maroon and orange Pansies!! ;-)
that wasn't a knock on the beautiful flowers. It's just something I personally love to say because it was a particularly funny/cute moment with my wife watching the movie. After that line we both laughed, and then I noticed something strange about the chinese translation in the subtitles. I paused the movie and asked what the translation meant and it was translated as: "They're just a bunch of chimpanzees!" Which she thought was infinitely more funny than when I explained what "pansies" actually meant.
Just giving you a hard time. :)
"How much longer is this going to take!!??"
Love it!!! Thanks for sharing.
I'm fairly certain that the Hokie species was changed to MANsies.
I heard some guy named Sam was behind it
#rumors
#sources
For the fall, I plant orange mums and maroon mums.
gotta find those Maroon early...they go fast!
The Lowe's near us gets stacks and stacks of them.
i'll have to look for these locally....
I love how a post with so much anger has turned into a conversation about flowers.
makes ya think about the simple things in life, doesn't it?
Does he seriously think I wait for him to upload his footage to wherever he does just to download it when I have a better copy? All footage used for analysis on this site is recorded by me. He is butt hurt over a crowd sourced power hour video from 2012.
Dang and those files have to take up a ton of space on your drive too, which can be a pain. Props, Bill.
So.... So can we have it?
There aren't many of those games I'm dying to rewatch anytime soon... In OK if a majority of those games from those seasons stay buried for a while.
But football. In the summer.
selfishly I am hoping this is all an act and phreak and joe/billdozer are drinking shots of tequila together at a laptop laughing at everyone else reading this... because the thought of phreak stopping access to espn3 for me and other international hokies to watch live games. is freaking me the PHUCK OUT
seriously though, you all seem passionate about what you do and all deserve some major acknowledgement. Hopefully this is all a misunderstanding
I'm sure someone can get you with that espn3 hookup. I have it so I could definitely help next year
wait...
seriously though that is extremely generous of you. As it is morning here you are starting my day out very well. Have some turkey leg love.
I too also need that as well.
I am in Tanzania working on a project that is funded by Ohio State. I work with a lot of Ohio State people.
Just FYI, I recently bought slingtv and it's awesome. they even sent me an amazon fire tv stick for free when i signed up. i don't think this gets you espn3, but it surely does get you espn and espn2
I love the Slingtv as well. I have mostly done away with my satellite except for the Networks. For $5 more a month they toss in EspnU, EspnNews, SecNetwork, Goalline, and ExtraInnings plus some other random sports channels. ESPN 3 is on it's way according to Sling, just no definitive date as of yet.. so take that for what it is worth. My parents have zero use for watch Espn so I use theirs whenever its needed.
SecNetwork?!?!?
This sounds awesome. I bought an antenna and get a few channels, get NBC but can't get ABC and CBS yet (I might be able to if I get the antenna in the attic, if not, I'll probably buy a chimney-mounted hundred mile antenna).
There aren't a whole lot of broadcast stations up here and topography isn't great, but I'm on a hill and they're free and HD. Plus, one of the channels I get is the Raycom affiliate so I should be able to watch some games this fall.
It amazes me that you can be in the middle of Penn and not have reliable tv, when I can be in the middle of bumfuck China and watch tv here.
This is similar to the cell coverage paradox on campus. At any given time, you can get 4 bars with LTE in the basement of any given building, but God forbid you stand on top of Slusher Tower, where you will inevitably have no service.
That Gould have just as easily come from the dairy of beef center at Tech. I had my arms kept warm up to the elbows in those beautiful money makers back in the day!
I'm getting a clearer and clearer picture of what exactly just might be on your body and I do think we'd all believe it, even if we wouldn't enjoy it.
Oh you would enjoy it my intelligent friend! Let us know when you can celebrate getting through your academic rigors! I am always happy to hear of Hokies rising to the top!
Phreak, as a guy who has enjoyed the absolute crap out of all of your content, I'm a little disappointed here. I understand wanting to get credit for your work, but this is taking it a bit far, IMO. I mean, charging people for content that doesn't even belong to you? C'mon, man. Not to mention taking shots at guys who a) have given you credit for using your stuff and b) run a site that accomplishes the same thing you do: helping people enjoy VT football. Same team, man. If you choose to open your stuff back up so other fans can enjoy it, great. If not, oh well. We'll get by with Billdozer, TKP, ESPN360 and the rest of YouTube.
How can he sell videos he doesn't have the rights to?
Easy. Sell under the table and be insignificant enough to not incite the lawyers of the NCAA. Prosecuting copyright infringement is expensive, labor intensive, and not as successful as copyright owners would expect.
I believe the idea is to sell his highlights rather than the complete games, which I believe would be acceptable under copyright law (snippets are fine, the thing in its entirety is not)... it also means he might have to remove the complete games from his site.
...It's not. People who use the footage to make analysis videos or in some way transform it are fine, but just having it to watch some football is illegal regardless of length
I personally love VTPhreak's Videos. I'd contribute to a GoFundMe campaign in order for TKP to buy the rights to the videos. Countless hours went into those videos. Would love to have that be a staple of TKP.
Phreak actually had a lot of his videos taken off YouTube account because of copyright issues. Therefore, on his newer videos, he began giving Raycom, ESPN, etc. credit at the end of the video.
I can understand him being upset because other people are using something he's worked very hard on and playing it off as their own. Let's be real, any highlights Bill got pre-2011 have a pretty high chance of being Phreak's work. Hokietapes didn't start their YouTube account till post-2011, and Phreak was really the only fan who posted highlights.
Did this situation warrant the reaction given by Phreak? Probably not. But, does he deserve credit for his work? Of course. Techsideline has used a lot of his videos before but given him credit on all of them.
This shouldn't have blown up the way it did, but since it did, I figured I'd offer an opinion. I can't wait for Bill's new video. They are excellent. And seeing the library he had of all the videos he's created himself post-2011 makes me a little less against him.
Anyway, Go Hokies and beat Ohio State!
This is a slippery slope. It reads as, "Bill downloaded VTPhreak's videos, uploaded them under his account, and pawned them off as his own". I don't think that's your intent, but that's never happened. Although, I guess Phreak ranting and lying paid off as people have bought into what he's said, hook, line and sinker.
As best as Bill and I can tell, Phreak is chirping about the crowd sourced power hour video: http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2012/july/28/vt-football-power-hour. I know Phreak thinks he's a special flower, but there are plenty of other people who made VT highlights available on YouTube. Bill used the various source as the raw materials to create something original. In his video description he gave credit to the TKP community (the people who most directly provided him the video access) for the suggestions and flat out stated he didn't own the original content.
And for what it's worth, there are plenty of examples of TKP crediting Phreak.
http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2011/september/25/4-0
http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2010/june/30/hokies-discussed-college-...
http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2011/october/7/reminder
And I'm just over here like...
While we're all airing dirty laundry, I just want to say that for the past 2 years, French has been using my thesaurus for his film reviews. I'm not mad, but some credit would be nice.
See, blame PeteBuddy for all my errors.
I'm glad you commented, because I was just thinking this all does sound like a case for Daniel L Crandall.
I thought it was the Million Dollar Man in his avatar.
Now I don't have a stream source to watch the games on my computer on saturdays
Are you in the states? Who is your cable provider?
http://www.gofeed2all.eu/type/american-football.html
Bookmark that link.
But don't click it till you either:
a) Are using a Mac, or
2. Update your anti-virus software
I love feed2all, but it's one of those sketchy sites that has approximately 627.4 popups to x out before you get to the stream.
I wish that warning had been posted before I clicked on the link. McAfee didn't like that site at all...
I've been running Adblock Plus for so long, I forget I even have it. Highly recommend it, that website doesn't have a single ad for me.
But you always turn it off when you are on The Key Play, right?
Of course!
Judge Judy, where are you?
bahahahahahahahaha
Me: "Oh, I'll just open this thread up and see what's going on........oh....oh......."
Man... VTPhreak melted the f down on Twitter this weekend in regards to Joe and the other people on here. Incredibly classless. Apparently he thinks he is the sole proprietary owner of all VT highlight clips online and if you happen to use any he demands to be cited and rewarded for the work.
What a clown.
Wow. You weren't kidding. Anyone else know the feeling of seeing a grown ass man throw a temper tantrum in a crowded mall? Super uncomfortable, right? I'd say that about sums this up. I mean, I know I haven't always used the power of Twitter for good, but yeesh.
Yeah... I didn't think the exchange on here was too bad and wondered why the ban hammer was so quick to come out... Then I saw the 20 some odd post barrage of profanities lobbed at Bill and Joe on Twitter and am now incredibly impressed with Joe's ability to stay out of the fray by not responding.
That man is a little to full of himself for his own good.
And let's not forget he's a straight up hypocrite. His entire meltdown was, "Give me credit for stealing other people's hard work."
That quote appeared here: http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/kam-chancellorrsquos-eye-catching-lea....
There's no attribution to the quote he blatantly copied and pasted. Appologies if his non-anonymous identity is as a member of the working media who attended, covered, transcribed quotes from and wrote about that NFL playoff game.
Yeah, that's what gets me the most, the demands to be credited for work that was never his own to begin with. He lashed out because a Power Hour (crowd sourced or not, it doesn't matter here) of clips that originated on ESPN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Raycom, and Jefferson Pilot, were not attributed to him. They were never his to begin with. He's even admitted that a decent chunk of his YT content was yanked because of an infringement claim by Raycom, which is why he's now trying to I believe broker a deal to obtain all of Hokie Tape's content. That's what get's me the most. He didn't create any of that work, he didn't film it, he didn't broadcast it, he didn't pay for the legal rights to those broadcasts.... He stole content from the content providers, and then demanded attribution when others used his videos. That's crap.
That's not really a good example.. he attributes the quote to Sherman, as he should. The journalist who relayed the quote doesn't need to be cited because the journalist didn't speak/create the statement. Also dozens of other journalists reported the quote in both print and video formats.
relaying a quote is a bit different from spending a good amount of time editing a highlight reel and having it appropriated by someone else. Not saying that actually happened, but the situations are apples and oranges.
Topical question for my own interest, is video editing something that really needs to be cited? It's essentially cut and paste. For sure takes a great deal of time to do a 3 hour game, let alone trying to do EVERY game, but there is little to no production value there. so if there is essentially nothing new about that content it shouldn't ever need to be cited, except for who actually originally produced it (such as ESPN, etc). Is that not fair to say?
I think it depends on the level of creativitity going into the process. If you're just trimming down the game tape to eliminate downtime between plays, not so much. Those videos are awesome but they're not really anything new.
But if you're putting together some highlights to a particular song or songs, timing cuts with the beat, or actions in the highlights to the beat, intermixing different sources to help tell a story with the highlights, or doing some creative video editing like making the background b&w while leaving the player scoring the TD in color, thats were we get into the attribution realm, because there's something new & creative and skillful being done.
I'd submit that Dozer's powerhour video is attribution worthy because of the format it's aiming to hit, but his pre-season trailers are more along the lines of what I'd consider 'creative re-use' and should definately be attributed to him.
But isn't that EVERY recruit's highlight video? I don't see anyone citing the person that made those. I dunno. I'm no Billdozer or phreak, but I have done some video editing, adding music, break transfers, etc... It really was not difficult. nor would I say original. I know there is a line there, but just not sure where.
to me there's a difference between just playing music over a few highlights in series and doing some next-level syncing between the music and the action on the field.
I do not know if this is correct but I believe it is called 'Derivative Work'. ABC, Raycon, ESPN, etc, etc, own the original copy rights of course. For copyright protection to attach to a later, allegedly derivative work, it must display some originality of its own. It cannot be a rote, uncreative variation on the earlier, underlying work. The latter work must contain sufficient new expression, over and above that embodied in the earlier work for the latter work to satisfy copyright law's requirement of originality.
In my opinion just condensing, a full game into just clipped plays does take time but does not not go "above and beyond" the original bodied material from ABC, ESPN, etc, etc. Thus I feel in my opinion that the original source is what needs to be cited or given credit to, and even then it's still not guaranteed that you are not still infringing on the original source's copyright.
Again, all my opinion and I do not know the laws. There will forever be a battle on a slippery slope of what is "fair use" and what is infringing on the original owners copyright, and a whole another argument all together.
My take on it is, if someone produces content, regardless of what that content is, even if it's just recording something and posting it online, and they ask that you cite them as a source if you use their content, common courtesy dictates that you cite them.
On the other hand, if someone fails to cite them as a source in using their content, common courtesy dictates that you reach out to the person who used your content and make a good faith effort to ask for citation in a professional manner. In this regard, Phreak came up short.
Also, if someone fails or refuses to cite you, at some point you have to accept that such is the nature of piracy. Either that, or throw a Twitter tantrum.
#dogavi
FWIW, he posted over on TSL saying the site will be back to being public pretty soon. Then bashed TKP a bit. Said he'll post updates either there or on Twitter. So if you're the kind of person who needs his stuff for viewing Hokie football, you might have to just follow the guy. It's ok, we won't judge.
Appears there are at least 4 TKPers on the TSL subscriber board, judging by the downvotes.
I mean, yay... he's making it public again, so that's nice and all.
But after his juvenile meltdown over the weekend, when the true nature of his character came out... Ehh. I'll avoid using his site as much as possible going forward. There's enough YouTube content out there to compensate.
This was entertaining for several reasons, some of them right, many of them wrong. Much popcorn was consumed in the reading of it
I think all we need is a good hug session /s
There is a definite creep factor to this gif. The white guy seems a little too into it.
Is that Kanye and John Meyer??
yep
Back when they were both kinda "normal" LOL
John Mayer has never been normal.
He was slightly normal back before he made it big. Now he's wayyy weird.
Based of his very impressive track record with the ladies of Hollywood, I reserve all my comments of his overall behaviors.
Jennifer Love Hewitt
Vanessa Carlton
Jessica Simpson
Minka Kelly
Jennifer Lopez
Taylor Swift
Katy Perry
Not too shabby, except for Vanessa Carlton. That one just seems to not match with the others!
Respect
you know FAR TOO MUCH about that man's sex life
A quick google search and a modest understanding that all of my celebrity crushes have dated him at some point equals to a realization that I need to learn how to make sappy love songs and play a guitar.
On second thought, probably not!
Or you're stalking him
jk, all in jest
My "Man Cave"
I kid I kid, I joke!!
hahaha
excellent gif reply
This whole thread is disappointing to me. (Disclaimer: I don't know phreak from Adam, I'm assuming phreak is a guy, and this post turned out much longer than I had thought it would when I started).
I don't know when phreak started doing his thing, but if I recall correctly, he's been doing what he does since way before any of us had this community to join. Good on him, not only for helping to make things available to people on youtube or wherever, but for opening up his access to live games for all of us to enjoy when we were straight short on options for seeing a Hokie game. I know I took advantage.
I always thought he should have been part of this community as an AV club member, but over time his offerings were relegated to a sort of also-ran status by the increasing offerings of TKP and increased availability of content all over the place. I can only imagine the amount of frustration that he might have felt after doing what he did for so long without much support, and in the end we all just moved on to the next thing, kinda bailing on him.
As far as the comment he made above and the twitter meltdown (which I did not see, nor will I look for it), I think everyone needs to cut him a little slack. Everyone needs to flip the he!! out every now and again. One would hope it would be done in privacy, but hey, I've lashed out publicly before so I'm certainly not in a position to judge him. For me, it's usually when something personal is stressing me out and that frustration boils over into other areas of my life. Who knows if this is the case or not.
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this whole interaction, a price he paid forward during all those years where the Hokie videos I watched online were pretty much supplied solely by him, the nameless, faceless, vtphreak whose work gave me something of value.
*As a side note, I think we've become an increasingly insular community. I'd heard someone on some thread say something (a while back, sorry for all the vagueness) about how new members to the community are occasionally lambasted for pretty standard thoughts they want to share (think of the last time someone new posted a 'Who is Beamer's successor and when do they take the reigns?'-type thread). The usual reaction is an eye-roll-gif and a comment to the effect of 'this again?'. I, for one, am guilty of this. It took me a while to realize that new members will want to discuss topics we've discussed and rehashed ad nauseam, and if they don't have the history of some of the longer-time posters, they might not realize that we've beaten that proverbial donkey into the ground.
And when someone does deserve legit criticism, we pile on. And on. And on. (see: this thread) Banhammers seem to be more common for criticizing the site and/or community (phreak, that one high school coach) than devolving arguments into nonsensical noise (aka bendering). We band together to outcast individuals and it seems to happen at the drop of a hat. Now, upthread, I see people criticizing phreak for his 'true character'. You know what else may have been his 'true character'? His effort and his generosity, which I all of us have seen over the course of years and we've collectively been content to throw away in favor of whatever came to pass since this thread was started. It's a little sad, I think, that we have such a great community here, but I don't think we're really all that great it being forgiving with it.*
I'll reply, since you're clearly trying to call me out here.
Phreak is being an ego-maniacal dick throughout this. That is his true colors. Sorry, but its what I'm seeing right now. Great, he has a database he's collected over the years. Those videos legally do not belong to him, and are being purged from his YouTube page as the content providers flag it as infringement. And yet, he wants to be cited for this when others use video clips (that he admits he can't even tell if were yanked from the ones he posted). And then to take to twitter and rant on and on with literally dozens of "fuck TKP", "Fuck Bill", "fuck Joe", kind of posts for hours is just below the belt. And its not like this was a back and forth, it was a one sided rant directed at TKP because 3 years ago someone didn't credit him as a source for videos that were never his to begin with. Kudos to Joe for not getting involved, and for Bill to step back when it became obvious about what was going on.
All of this could have been rectified with an apology. A "I still think I'm in the right, but I shouldn't have handled the situation like that" would go a long way here. But no, he signs on Monday and this morning to TSL and doubles down on the crazy continuing to trash TKP behind their pay wall. That's the kind of true character that is at play here. Screw that guy.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't think HOAT was trying to single you out. You're definitely not the only person who has questioned vtphreak's character.
Maybe, but only 2 people had said anything along that phrase on here, Joe with a "make me think less of his character" and me with a "true nature of his character"... I may have read too much into it, but it definitely seemed like my quote was being singled out. If I'm wrong, apologies, but felt like I needed to specify what I meant by what I said.
Not joining the argument, but applauding your use of embedding the relevant comments so we don't have to scroll up to find them or read something to the effect of, "well, I said it and some other guys did too." Also, props to Joe for making that possible.
For the record, I don't think HOAT was singling you out, but your and Joe's comments almost certainly were a part of it. Also for the record, I'm inclined to agree with you. My opinion of phreak as an individual did not improve after this weekend.
One note, the Twitter implosion was over the course of minutes, not hours (I read the timestamps as I went). I'm not sure if that makes things better, or sadder, but there it is.
To me, it's definitely better. It's one thing to blow the fuck up and rave like a lunatic for a few minutes. I have the stereotypical Irish temper, and I can go ballistic from time to time. Then, five minutes later, I am completely fine. If he had been frothing at the mouth for hours on end, that's a sustained rage, a way more concerning trait.
Not to be argumentative to someone who has stereotypical Irish temper rage, but going ballistic time to time is just as bad as sustained rage IMO. To be fair, we're all only human, so we all try our best to get buy in the world, but I don't think one kind of anger / rage is more concerning than another.
Golden Rule as much as you can, my fellow Hokies!
I dunno. Psychologically speaking, anger is a means of stress release. It's an emotional response to something that frustrates us. Anger can be therapeutic and even beneficial in our lives if used as a motivation. A lot of positive social change has come about from movements begun in anger over a perceived injustice. Anger itself is just an emotion.
Sustained anger is concerning to me. In general, an anger response should have an identifiable trigger. The anger response should happen in close proximity (in terms of time, distance or both), and should either dissipate or give way to other reactions. Those movements I referenced above didn't happen by a bunch of angry people sitting around being angry. Anger became a catalyst to organize. It was a motivational factor to altering behavior. Anger should be a temporary or transitory emotion, in other words.
Sustained answer frightens me because you can't point to an external cause. Someone with sustained anger might give a reason for being angry, but it was something that occurred after they were already angry. But more often than not, someone with sustained anger will debt they're angry at all. Usually that means the source of the anger is an unaddressed, often unacknowledged internal conflict. Those people worry me, because you never know what they're dealing with, and you never know what they're capable of.
Don't disagree with you about you this. My point was about the "going ballistic part" you mentioned as it seemed that it may imply going ballistic "on" someone (but my apologies if that was not the case).
My view is that anger that's focused and directed towards a worthy cause (as simple as taking it out in the gym in a workout, or a cause such as Gandhi / Martin Luther King Jr. / Mandela) is completely acceptable, as you even say yourself regarding "motivation".
As long as you don't rage out at someone with your anger and hurt them in the process, and can control your anger / use it in a wise manner, then that's what's ok. We all get angry, but personally, I try to let it out in healthy manner not only to myself, but to others as well (but hey, i'm not perfect, I've failed at times with that too).
Oh, no, sorry, my bad. I just mean when I get angry, I am animatedly angry. My instinct when I get mad about something is to go somewhere by myself specifically so I don't take it out on other people.
No prob man. Again, sorry for misinterpreting!
Seriously though, 4 years and 3 shrinks later, things are much better. Still, the combination of bourbon and crushing sports defeats still gets me in trouble sometimes.
I can only imagine
Well, to be fair, the Twitter thing started as a back and forth between Phreak and Bill, with Phreak just basically asking over and over and over if Bill used any of his video in the power hour. Phreak started getting belligerent, Joe banned him, and then Phreak acted like an emo teenager who had just lost the PlayStation for the weekend. The bulk of the meltdown was actually in reference to bring banned.
I don't have a horse in this race, and this entire thread has been highly entertaining. But I agree with a lot of what HOAT is laying down. I could see this place becoming a mutual admiration society.
I second this. Wait, no I don't... damn't, how do I agree without mutually admiring you?
jk
To be honest, I laughed at the whole incident the majority of which took place on Twitter.
Asking us to cut him some slack while ignoring the Twitter meltdown is a reach. You're ignoring almost the entirety of what happened. I don't sweat him eff-bombing me, but wrongly accusing Bill's integrity, broadcasting falsities that questions all the hard work put into TKP and assuming ALL highlights on the web pre-2011 are his is insane to overlook, and I won't.
I didn't even know this was a thing until his meltdown yesterday. If he had sent an email to Bill or I, this would have ended much differently. It's still unclear what he's salty about.
Phreak bashing TKP on TSL a day later, and asking people not to read TKP (and instead follow him for analysis [el-oh-el]) really doesn't have me feeling sorry for him at all.
Edit: I do appreciate the insightful comment.
I do like how this whole thing exploded because you replied 'No'
And not even a grumpy cat no
I was on my phone, and didn't have the time to leave a lengthy comment. My goal for TKP would be to raise enough money to hire a full time writer, not buy content TKP would never own the rights to.
To be honest, when I saw the 'No.' ...first thing I thought of was grumpy cat.
I wanted to cycle back to this to point out that I really, really, appreciate having a place to share it.
comments from me:
A) Phreak has provided me with a lot of access and Hokie watching love. For that I will always be grateful.
B) Phreak freaking the F out about this is a shame. Him getting banned is neither here nor there for me. We are on the site at the pleasure of Joe. If this were a paid site we would still have asswipes like Bender around. (or do we?) So having the option to ban is a double edged sword but I think it's been used sparingly.
C) we've beaten that proverbial donkey into the ground. I know this is going to shock you but we humans say this another way...
I feel like I need to walk you through how it went down because pretty much all of the negativity is due to what went down on twitter, not this thread.
He tweeted me Sunday night, asking a very normal question
It was a little random though because the last video I made was the OSU highlights.
I figured this pretty much covered whatever he was wondering because my first real video was probably the 2011 trailer which I personally captured all the footage for that from ESPN3. I knew of Phreak, but his quality was actually pretty crappy at that time and that is what prompted to me to get my own equipment and to try to create quality videos.
This is where I realized we had some confusion so I asked for clarification.
Since he had said 'latest' video I explained that grabbed some clips for the OSU highlights from one of the VT promo videos to use as filler at the start.
So here I realize he is confused. He seems to think I just made the power hour and it is my latest work. I also realized he is not "Just curious" as he originally stated.
But either way, he was right. The Power Hour likely had clips that he had uploaded. I just used whatever videos people sent me and at the time I was just a fan compiling stuff.
I figured this was the end of it, but then things went south.
Which pissed me off. I started helping out with film on the site AFTER I already had my own equipment so all film used on TKP was recorded and uploaded by me. He just made up a lie to dirty my name and TKP.
Which eventually lead to these
Which then lead to him being banned.
And then we went over the deep end.
So, believe what you want but he was basing his whole argument off of an older video, before I worked for TKP and...here is the kicker, I agreed with him and was ready to give him credit. Then I realized his true intentions.
I tried to keep this concise and not try to just cast him in a bad light. There are definitely many more tweets and if you have any questions I encourage you to go look for yourself.
Yeah, it was really weird - about a week before he went on a twitter rant about someone stealing his videos and set his archive to private. Then it was quiet for a while until he blew up again this weekend.
On top of the public rant, what I don't get is why he waited between (at best) 8 months and (at worst) 3 years to even say anything.
I think maybe this had something to do with the fact that the power hour thread got bumped to the top after a really long time, and maybe Phreak noticed it for the first time and thought it was new? What was bizarre though was how, for a guy who asks for some professional courtesy (citing his videos), be gave none. How easy would a quick email or DM to Bill or Joe saying, hey, I think maybe some of my videos were used in the power hour video, could you please add something citing me as a source? But instead he went about this about the most immature way he possibly could have. It makes me wonder if either this is just the way he approaches things, or if something is going on with him that has him on edge.
The whole thing is just bizzare.
Part of the problem with this whole exchange is the medium in which it occurred.
I hate communicating by twitter and a lot of the new social media on any topic that is important unless, if I was to type it all out, it would be under 75 words anyway.
"Hey, RR has a new beer on tap tonight." followed by a photo of object new beer.
That's about as complex as it should get on these social media tools. Twitter is excellent for that but, serious discussion? No way.
Anything else written should be by email and certainly something as important as that conversation between phreak and billdozer.
The question was asked poorly and was an oblique question anyway.
Where the question asked was, "Did you use any of my stuff on the last video?"
Right there lead to poor communication because the answer involved 2 different videos, the last one phreak saw and the last one that Bill did.
Almost surely, unless there was a stroke of luck, that was going to end poorly with either wrong answers given because of a confused context or continued wrong questions asked, or both.
The object lesson here. Make sure you are asking the question you think you are asking, use the correct medium for communication, and confirm bad news before taking action.
/soapbox
I hear you. Twitter has its limits. But beyond the constraints of social media, it's obvious Phreak came into the conversation with a chip on his shoulder. There wasn't even a desire for real communication, because as soon as Bill said yeah, would you like credit in the description, Phreak lost his damn mind. He had an ulterior motive from the get go, and that's the part I don't understand. Why couldn't he consider that it might be an honest mistake?
So in addition to choosing the proper medium, I'd say another object lesson to take away from this is, don't be a dick.
the medium is the message. If you want to use a medium that displays inconsequential exchanges for the public to see just to rile people up, don't be surprised if that's what happens, no matter the initial intent. If you wish to address someone privately, as an adult, then choose a medium designed for that.
So what's the new beer that's on tap at RR?
An American Pale ale.
Not a northwestern pale ale that has bitterness that'll knock yer socks off bust a balanced 5 ABV with 38 IBU. Just enough hops in the end of the boil so you can tell it was cascade.
Thanks for asking.
Great. Now I'm thirsty.
Is your name really Billy Berlin? that's very Peter Parker of you.
Yes but I must warn you, please don't try to google my name with safe search off. There is a certain...male actor...who has assumed that name for his...movies. You have to include works like "Track" or "Virginia Tech" to filter down to just me, haha.
Sure, there's "some other guy" with the same exact name.
Trust me, I've heard it all. I started going by Will Berlin in the workplace just in case employers try to do a google check.
haha, and now that I think about it, the moniker "Billdozer" is somewhat suspect given the circumstances
ok fine, take it you dirty bastard
...is that original content Bill? You better cite your source.
I just had to.
Oh, you
Slip of the tongue while rehearsing lines?
The name Billdozer always makes me think of a certain fictional fullback/lineman
That is actually where it came from. When I was running in highschool some of the older guys on the team nicknamed me The Billdozer because they loved that episode. They wanted to be able to yell "GO BILLDOZER!" at meets.
You should just change your name to Billy Baroo
I actually did that before reading this. I saw your twitter picture and thought, "Billdozer was a VT athlete? Let's check Hokiesports." Thank God I googled your name AND hokiesports!
Also, I must say, I've always admired the King of the Hill pull for your moniker. My college friends and I, who are all big Simpsons/King of the Hill fans, thought it was awesome that the guy who made the awesome VT trailers had Billdozer as his YouTube name.
Maybe it's some guy you made a positive impression on, a la Ted Mosby Sex Architect?
Leg for deep HIMYM reference.
Of Mosbius Designs?
Starring Lance Hardwood.
I hate the way all this went down, but BillDozer remained calm through it all and even offered to credit him. What more did he want?
I'm going to reply to myself so I don't have to make scattered comments throughout the replies:
Thanks for filling me in with the twitter stuff, yeah it looks like it snowballed real quick. Uncalled for, for sure.
No, I wasn't trying to single anyone out with the true character stuff, I didn't pay attention to who wrote it, but the comment, or maybe just the phrasing, stood out. I always want to pause when it comes down to calling someone's character into question for reasons I noted above (ex: I've flipped out before and anyone who experienced it would think that I'm a sh!t person but I don't think I am, just had a bad moment).
Haha, yes, beating a donkey into the ground is my preferred phrase. You humans can have your other phrases.
The Only Thing Worse than Beating a Dead Horse is Betting On One.
(Title of Relient K song)
Gosh, that comment just took me back to middle school. Relient K used to be the band back in the day. Their new stuff is pretty mehh tho IMO.
I would agree with that (except for the Middle School part, they're the band of High School/College for me). They're my favorite band, but I haven't loved anything they've put out since around 2008. I was at a completely different place in my life (had just started dating my wife) than Thiessen was (just broke up with his fiancee) when Forget and Not Slow Down was being written/released, but I still listen to it occasionally and there were a couple songs on it that I liked well enough. Collapsible Lung however was so different musically and lyrically from their other music that it sounds like a completely different group and I've only listened to the album all the way through once and never bought it.
Yeah the last album of theirs I bought was The Birds and The Bee Sides which came out in like what, 07 or 08? A few good songs on there, but you could tell they kinda hit their peak at Mmhmm. I really liked Five Score and Seven Years ago too, but I'm pretty sure I was in the minority here. A lot of the songs sounded the same, but they were all really good. Faking My Own Suicide will forever be one of my fav RK songs, even tho like nobody knows it. I bought a few songs off Forget and Not Slow Down, but that was the last time I really ever checked out their "newer" stuff.
Sidenote: their Christmas album was really, really good tho. I still listen to that on the regular today.
My wife and I used The Best Thing off of Five Score as the recessional music in our wedding and some of the songs on The Bird and the Bee Sides are among my favorites.
Thank you Horse for this comment. I don't comment on the site anymore for this exact reason:
It's like you can't have your own opinion on here without being regarded as a bad fan or somebody that doesn't respect the history of VT football (maybe that's changed from now to then?). I know I ruffled feathers in the past but it was all meant to be constructive and coming from a place of Hokie love. I used to love to comment and frequented the site more than any other site. However, I got tired of the TKP fan-boy mentality that: (1) casts a cloud of judgement over the smallest negative comment anybody makes and (2) motivates members to comment just to appease the masses for upvotes.
Carry on, just had to thank you for making that comment; it actually carries weight since you're one of the people TKPers love and get behind all the time. I'll go back to lurking now. Go Hokies!
PS - the DBU shirts are so dope. I love mine and so do my friends.
I agree with this....
I really don't like the fact right now that people are getting ridiculed and run off for doing nothing more than sharing an opinion that might not jive with the masses. People are being downvoted for nothing more than sharing an unpopular opinion, regardless of how much thought was put into it, to the point where new members are discouraged from legitimately taking part in conversations until they have enough of a leg buffer that they won't get community banned just because they happened to criticize Beamer with the wrong set of people logged on.
I disagree with this sentiment, Alum you often have different opinions than others yet have one of the highest leg totals in a very short time. It's about A) how you present your thoughts and B) if you check the past threads before starting a new one with the same old topic.
^This too. See my comment below discussing my thoughts on how differing opinions are presented.
This is easier now that the search function is improved, but still not the easiest. The search function here lumps all articles in with the forum posts. It would be easier if there were a forum-specific search function.
I know, but part of that is that I joined during the offseason when frustrations about the team died down and I basically had 6 months to pad my TL count before the season. Had I started posting after that Wake Forest game, and said some of the critical things I did that week with a newbie TL count, I wouldn't have lasted til Tuesday.
Believe me, it doesn't matter how much thought you put into something here, if you take a hard line criticism viewpoint of the coaching staff on here, you'll get raked over the coals. I've had days where I lost 70-100 legs because of the piling on nature of downvotes when people disagree with an opinion. To me, that didn't matter, but to someone new, that would be the end of their time in here. And that's not right.
I dunno. I think you and I have done our fair share of Beamer-criticism. Although I've been pretty chill since the Loeffler hire, I'm probably the most vocal critic of the coaching staff I can think of, and I've always felt welcome here.
I'll say this, down voting opinions is for chumps. It shouldn't be allowed, and VTGuitarMan should be able to remove down votes for opinion, especially for low-leg commenters.
But I'll also say, I've witnessed people who are stating a critical/negative opinion get really defensive if someone with a high leg count starts debating them. And I mean debating, not calling out, ridiculing or harassing. HokieBengal or whatever his name is comes to mind. He went apoplectic when people started disagreeing with him, which resulted in a community ban, and his original point wasn't even controversial.
So it's a fine line. Down voting opinion should never be okay, but some people just can't handle civil debate.
Really there are plenty of "opinions" that the community should clearly be allowed to downvote: racist, sexist or attacks of a personal nature are clearly worth downvotes.
Welllllllllll... I was kind of hoping people would assume I meant opinions that don't violate the community guidelines. I mean opinions on the coaching staff or the program. But yes, your point is absolutely valid and I tend to down vote personal attacks or offensive language. Probably more than I should, because I have a hair trigger on some issues that probably make me seen way more PC than I'm trying to be.
I'll say that yes, the opinions are often positive as that appears to be where the most support is, whether it be in support of Brewer or Beamer or whoever is being discussed at the time. I'm a person who has stated my opinion when someone appears with a harsh judgment, criticism, or opinion during some of the multi-comment tangents. While I've noticed that it often results in many people "ganging up" on someone, my intent has always been for discussion. I enjoy discussing opinions, but they must be grounded in some form of fact and supported throughout the discussion. That's how constructive discussions are held. Those who come in throwing things at the walls are not well received. If you make a comment, whether positive or negative, don't say that it matters because you donate money or because the opposing opinion hasn't been paying attention or isn't a real fan. Nobody will gain anything from it and there will be hostility. I'm not saying this is you 757Hokey by any means, but more a general opinion for what has gotten me riled up in the past. So my point is that an opinion doesn't have to be positive, but it needs to have some sort of support other than one that condescends the opposition or is based upon #SOURCES or some connection you have to a "big time donor." Just my 2 cents since I've seen a fair amount of criticism, especially on Twitter, regarding the actual community here at TKP.
Last off season is when I really started following TKP. I am not a person who usually leaves comments but I love VT football and I really enjoy the content on this site. I don't comment on this site much and very rarely leave an opinion about something. Usually I type something in a smartass way or leave a gif. I left a comment once about VT not making the playoff because of injuries that I, and I believe most people, knew was a joke. But one "regular" on here blasted me for being an idiot and how could I possibly believe it was injuries that kept VT out of the playoff. It was after that when I really started noticing how critical a lot of people here can be. Everything should be worded in such a way as to present a certain opinion or it may be read as if the person is stating a fact? Really? This is a comment section on the internet. Not everybody can translate their thoughts perfectly onto paper. Myself included.
I'm not saying that this site sucks or that I hate everybody here. Quite the oppisite. I think this site is great, and it is the only VT site I visit. I do, however, think that some people here could lighten up a bit sometimes and embrace all comments made, as long as they follow guidelines of course.
what an idiot /s
sorry couldn't resist.
I remember this and the "regular" you are talking about and agree completely. Don't let one bad reply stop you from posting though. If I remember correctly there were others that came in to correctly point out the joke you were making.
You have a very good memory, and yes, a few people did point out it was a joke. I didn't let it get to me and certainly don't think anything of it. That is just when I really started noticing the critisism that is dished out.
I have a highly selective memory. All thing Hokie, it's a steel trap. Anniversary, nope. Password to my favorite porn, burned into my brain. Child's birthday, sometime in the Fall.
haha, I'm kidding.
no, there are just some members I have noticed for a long time are a certain way, whether obtuse or hypocritical. It might not be very obvious if you don't remember the history of those member's posts but for some reason I do. maybe it's the way my mind works but I seem to have a running history for this sort of info. Unfortunately I have yet to capitalize on it for anything beyond virtual turkey legs.
I do too but it usually is for stupid things like relating comments to Family Guy quotes or movie gifs. Sigh.
Wait, we have paper here?
TKP community is growing. With a larger population pool, comes a high chance of having more jerks. TKP is still very good, but it's not quite the same place it was a few years back. Way back when, HokieCentral / TSL was a lot friendlier place than it is now.
It's not inevitable, but a tonal shift is likely when a community grows ("bandwagon fans"). At least LOLUVA doesn't have this problem.
Well I for one wish you would come back and hang out more 757. I do remember the thread when you sort of stormed out so to speak. I always thought you were a solid contributor though.
dis
gon b gudalready overmaaaan...I go out of town and not check TKP for one day and all the good stuff is done.
Way to go, Blitz.
I know man, I go out of state for a few days and don't even get on TKP thinking its the slow time of year. Wowzers
Same. I've been intensely busy recently but I figured I wouldn't be missing much. How wrong I was
For what it's worth, Phreak wasn't the only website database that you could watch or access videos from. If anyone remembers or even knew there used to be an old website called hokiestone.net (which also had a link to Atilla Hokie's online video database/vault) which i dont think is around anymore. You could get videos from 1998-2010 and directly download them from that page. That was the "old school way" to get all the games
Regardless, Phreak has put in alot of work on something that takes loads of time to do. While I do think he should have handled things differently on twitter, etc, his hard work should not be overshadowed because of it. I can understand why he would be upset
But should you have to cite your source on illegally obtained property? I am going to say probably not. Also, do you want to make a paper trail by citing sources that is illegally obtained property, most definitely not. Maybe Daniel L. Crandall knows...or even Geyer (my old real estate/business law teacher)
There was also Attila's Asylum.
I don't discount the actual work involved with making highlights and editing video, it's significant. I know this because of the insight gained from Bill being a part of our team. Given Phreak's knowledge of the effort it requires to do the work Bill has done, it's incomprehensible that he would be so reckless throwing out those outlandish claims. Phreak falsely asserted Bill ganked his highlights, pawned them off as his own, and questioned the totality of his work. Again, I don't know what he's talking about specifically, but the best guess is Bill's power hour video which came out in 2011. I addressed that above (http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/274764#comment-274764).
Yep, that was the one. I couldn't quite remember the name i knew it was Attila something. Used to be able to access it from hokiestone.net, now it looks like it is techturf.net. This only came to my mind because of this quote from VTPhreak " @BilldozerVT I'm talking about your Power Hour video, which seemed to have a lot of pre-2011 footage in it. I have no problem with people..."
I knew that there were other ways to get pre 2011 footage other then vtphreak
I agree that he was way off base (vtphreak) in how he handled it all. To me it just isn't worth the time worrying about it. There are worse things in life to worry about...
VTHokieFans used to upload entire games as well.
Good ol' Attila videos. The codec they used made editing/rendering last 5x times longer than it should have.
Personally, I don't know where Phreak gets off. As a video editor, the joy in this "business", being volunteering my own personal time to make VT football videos, is to provide memories and excitement for the fans. To make it less than that, to make it solely about himself and his name recognition, I offer no sympathy for his original "innocent" request for being credited. It's a courtesy is all it is, not an obligation.
Yes he puts a respected amount of time into each video he posts for everyone, but he damn well knew going into this whole gig however long ago it was, that nothing is original content, therefore his videos have no limitations for its use if they're ripped. To get as angry as he has is totally unjustified. Yeah, it's sometimes frustrating not to be credited if your videos are used elsewhere but that's the nature of this beast. The original content comes from ESPN, Raycom, etc., not from himself. The guy's ego is too big if he can't realize that, which I don't think he ever will.
Oh I agree.
Great hearing from you hope all is well!
Yeah man, busy working but everything is good. Hope all is well with you too!
HokieHighlander, do you see what you did? Are you proud of yourself, HokieHighlander?
To be honest, I kind of am. Not sure I've ever seen something as innocent as wanting to see Hokie Highlights dissolve into an argument spanning two message boards and Twitter. Not bad.
The drama bomb was dropped at epic yet accidental proportions *beeeeeeoooooooooooo*
Gentlemen, you cannot fight in here, this is the War Room.
I seriously didn't mean to. I knew 24/7 wasn't going to do to take Phreak's vids. I didn't think TSL would either. I just figured this would be an excellent way to add to the site.
>gets banned from website he doesn't even like
>actually cares
Shiggy Diggy
For the record... this thread has gone from the spark that caused a Twitter meltdown and ban to an internal discussion about how we treat new members to Billdozer's adult film venture that got him started on creating online videos, to now flowers.
And that, my friends, is TKP.
I just thinking the same thing. This place is just awesome.
I think it sounds better if we say that the use of flowers in Billdozer's adult movies didn't properly cite the florist and caused a twitter meltdown and eventual banning.
I keep waiting for this thread to die, but your pansies keep bumping it. Start a new thread to talk about your dern flowers. And get off my lawn
Okay guys, I know Phreak didn't get along great with everyone here, but he was a really good guy who was just passionate about his work. I hate to break the news but Eric Ryan aka VTPhreak4evr has passed away. His brother, Jami, posted this on Facebook.
RIP Eric, you will be missed.
Just saw this myself. Sad news. Thoughts to his family and friends. Thanks for reporting. Logged in just to do the same.
RIP indeed.
That was a moving obituary by his brother.
Well, damn. That's really sad. Sounds like Eric lead an inspired life, though, which is awesome. I wish his family all the best
Wow. What a reminder that the person you are exchanging thoughts with on the internet might be going thru a bunch more stuff than is apparent.
+1. Well said. RIP Phreak
Thanks for sharing. Really appreciated reading what his brother wrote. Goes to show you never know what anyone else is battling. Love one another always. Even those not lucky enough to bleed orange and maroon.
Damn, that's two Hokies named Eric who passed away last weekend. Eric Grant aka vt1fan, or the crazy Hokie who won on Wheel of Fortune a few years ago, died in his sleep in Shreveport after the Independence Bowl. If you've been to the Hokie House in the last decade you heard him, even if you didn't know who he was.
You'd be hard pressed to find two bigger VT fans anywhere. Way too soon for both. RIP.
Jeeze, ...at least he passed in his sleep - peacefully.
RIP Phreak....loved the videos. Was a fantastic Hokie, even though not everyone got along with him.
I asked about him the other day, kinda thought this thread was just bumped because of that. Pretty shocked to be reading an obituary.
RIP, Eric.
What? Wow. That's awful.
Godspeed Phreak.
Maybe this thread should be closed, out of respect and all.
Agreed. It didn't reflect well on this site in the first place, and it really doesn't now.
Wow... That one hit me pretty hard for some reason. Maybe it's because I owe about 90% of my knowledge of Hokie football prior to 2004 to Phreak. Rest easy, man.
I had a bad feeling when I saw this thread bumped.
RIP Phreak, thanks for keeping me up with Hokie stuff through your efforts, rules be damned!
Fuck. This. Is. Horrible. I don't ....
As I expressed above I really hoped the argument was all some clever ruse. It's a shame it went down like it did. If you go back through the history of Phreak posting the link to ESPN you will likely see me in everyone thanking the man. I owed him for his video links.
But it goes beyond that. I have been out of the States for a long time and in China for a long time, and for a VERY LONG time I was visually disconnected to VT football. I would follow game scores but was not overly engaged in the weekly or daily happenings in any way. I blame Joe for orignally drawing me back in with TKP. I had been a casual TSL reader for a while but TKP and it's ever expanding footprint of all thing Maroon & Orange got my attention back into the details of the program, but Phreak was my conduit to experiencing Hokies live again. And to be honest, a correlative effect on my posting history on TKP. When I finally had easy access to live games I became much more devoted to posting into this online community. Without him I was always somewhat disengaged.
Phreak... Eric, you took many, many hours of sleep from me over the years. I blame you for that. Sometimes I was dragging ass like I was hung over in the next day. Had to deal with my wife complaining about me staying up and being tired the next day. You have been the cause of so much misery for me. And I will owe you for the rest of my life because it's a misery I had wanted for so very long. Thanks brother. You brought this Hokie back to the fold. I have enjoyed VT at your pleasure for years. Respect.
I'm from China and now work in the US. However, in the past 3 years I had to fly back home to Beijing every Christmas so that I can combine my PTOs with the Christmas holidays to maximize my stay. Unfortunately this would mean I pretty much miss all football between 12/20-1/10 ish. VPN+ESPN3 were buggy as hell and even firstrow wasn't smooth enough to be watchable for me. As you said, when you lose the live game-watching privilege, you start to lose all the passion about the sport itself, and it starts to become a simple habit of checking the scorecards. So I truly understand how important Eric's service was to bring you back to following Hokie Football, and I sincerely hope if I go back to China in the future, i would be as lucky as you were to be able to continue to follow the Hokie football.
Damn, I was an avid viewer of his highlight videos for years. RIP man, that's sad to hear, I had no idea about any of that stuff.
RIP Phreak. Keep the thread open -this is the example of passion and heat and love for this forum and disagreeing and the somber reality that we're here for only a little while...
Thanks guys, to each and every one of you.