
Much of the immediate discussion after the Hokies upset win over eventual national champion Ohio State Buckeyes last season focused on how Bud Foster's Bear defense completely shut down the Ohio State running game. Virginia Tech held a running game that averaged 264.5 yards per game in 2014 to 108 yards. Pundits discussed how the Bear look was supported by the Hokies playing press man coverage on the outside, but very little energy was devoted by analysts during or after the game to identify why Ohio State was not able to capitalize on down field opportunities.
Some of post-game narrative from the Ohio State perspective focused on wide receivers not making plays, and Tom Herman's failure to incorporate wide receiver route concepts like double slants that break down man coverage. National sports coverage and analysts like myself focused on the Bear front and how the pressure generated from the look threw off timing with the Buckeye receivers. Neither conclusion tells the full story.
Talking heads love highlighting how the Virginia Tech corners play "zero" or "man coverage". Often the Hokie corners play on an island, but rarely are they responsible for tracking a wide receiver no matter where they go. Instead, the Virginia Tech defensive backs are taught to play either inside or outside leverage. Playing leverage is a coverage technique in which a defender overplays half of a wide receiver's pass route options. By taking away routes through alignment and technique, the quarterback is forced to throw lower percentage passes and the defensive support (often a safety) can easily identify where a pass is likely to be thrown.
Against Ohio State, the Hokie corners used inside leverage to squash many of the route options discussed by Ohio State analysts before they even happened. When playing inside leverage, the defender aligns inside his man, angling towards the sidelines, and while it looks like man-to-man, his real assignment is to prevent any receiver from running an inside breaking pass route (cross, slant or post). A route like a slant is almost impossible because the corner is interposed in between the receiver and the delivery point for the football. Instead, the alignment invites the receiver to release to the outside on out routes, out and go's and outside release go routes.
Outside leverage is essentially the opposite. The defender aligns outside the receiver and angles back into the quarterback. This alignment takes away any outside breaking routes (corner, out, curl, post-corner, and outside release go route). It makes a free release on slants and crossing routes look easy, however Foster and Torrian Gray mitigate that risk by having safeties coming up on the slant, linebackers dropping underneath routes when the corners have an outside leverage call, and most significantly, the corners are looking in at the quarterback.
The great Hokie defensive backs, especially Jayron Hosley, made a living off giving the slant route and then anticipating the throw to make the interception.
Inside leverage was a huge difference maker against Ohio State. Easier throws like slants and crossing routes were essentially taken away when the Hokies played inside leverage. Meanwhile, the Hokie corners ability to turn and run kept the Buckeyes from making big plays down field on outside releases. Since I started writing at TKP, the one technique question that I get more than any other is "Why do the Virginia Tech defensive backs not turn around and find the football?" I posed the question to Virginia Tech defensive backs coach Torrian Gray at the recent Northern Virginia Hokie Club Chalk Talk, and Gray indicated that he felt looking back for the ball caused the cover man to lose a step. Losing a step created separation that allowed the receiver to make the play.
Attack the Hands
After watching the film against Ohio State closely, I think there is a bit more to the technique than Coach Gray cared to share in that forum. On every example that I could find when the Hokie corners played inside leverage against a deep throw from J.T. Barrett, the corners never looked back for the football. Instead, they ran stride for stride with the receiver, looking at the receiver. When the receiver started to raise his hands, the Hokie corner immediately thrust his hands up in between the receiver's hands and the football.
It takes talented corners that will play their technique to take away the inside route and then turn and run with speedy receivers. Brandon Facyson demonstrates the technique perfectly on this play. Buckeye receiver Evan Spencer fakes an out route and then runs deep. Let's walk through how Facyson covers the route.
At the snap, Facyson is aligned slightly inside of Spencer. When Spencer pushes into Facyson's space, Facyson backpedals but turns his hips so he faces the sideline when Spencer breaks outside. Facyson plants and pushes off to attack the out route, while still being in position to easily turn and run deep if he doesn't see the receiver come back for the football. Note, he is looking at the receiver and reacting to the receiver's movement. He isn't looking for the football.
Spencer goes to the sideline, but doesn't plant and push back for the football. When Spencer turns up field, Facyson has almost two yards of head start on him. Remember, Facyson was still not 100% healthy after stress reaction in his left leg and follow-up, post-spring bone graft procedure. Technique is making up for a potential lack of foot speed. Despite the head start, Spencer gets a step on Facyson deep. Facyson runs with him, and (this is critical) has his chin up looking at Spencer the whole way.
If you look closely, Facyson is running with his right arm cocked. When Spencer starts to raise his hands to catch the pass, Facyson punches his right arm right into the area between Spencer's hands. He never looks for the ball yet he knocks the ball perfectly out of Spencer's grasp.
Here is another look. Again, note how Facyson is completely focused on Spencer's eyes and hands.
This is a terrific angle. By attacking Spencer's hands, Facyson breaks up Spencer's line of vision, and the ball ends up harmlessly bouncing off of his elbow. This is beautiful technique, especially now with the hindsight that Facyson was playing hurt.
Just in case you think this is an accident, Kendall Fuller used the same technique several times on deep throws.
On this play, Buckeye receiver Corey Smith fakes a slant. Fuller stands his ground to the inside and then turns and runs when the receiver breaks deep. Fuller never looks back for the football, and at the moment Smith raises his hands, Fuller punches up through the middle of them.
It is also easy to see the risk involved with this coverage strategy. Because the Hokies don't know where the ball is, any underthrown pass could result in the defender running into the receiver and a cheap pass interference call. The Virginia Tech defensive backs minimize that risk by focusing on the receiver and not closing immediately when they break deep. By keeping some distance, this allows Fuller to adjust and not run into Smith going full speed.
Ohio State only found success against inside leverage quarters coverage when they faced it from nickelback Chuck Clark. Clark, who came to Virginia Tech as more of a safety than a corner, faced two big disadvantages. First, as a nickel, there is more space to the outside where the receiver can gain separation. Second, Clark was a victim of bad luck.
Clark plays a vertical route almost as well as you can. However, the ball is under-thrown, and Clark tries to slow down to avoid the pass interference penalty. Instead of his arm coming up in front of Dontre Wilson's hands, his arm flails out to the side, which allows Wilson to make a spectacular play. Clark also was beaten on a handful of other plays down the slot, and I would expect Meyer to try and take more advantage of that matchup on Labor Day.
Brandon Facyson's Health is the Key
Perhaps most fascinating about the review of the Ohio State game was the observation of how little Urban Meyer challenged the Virginia Tech safeties in the passing game. Standout tight end Jeff Heuerman didn't have a catch and was rarely targeted. This allowed Bud Foster to stack the box with safeties Kyshoen Jarrett and Detrick Bonner early in the game. Then when Ohio State was forced to become more reliant on the pass, Jarrett picked off two passes from almost a punt return alignment by reading Barrett and jumping poorly disguised vertical routes. Clark's occasional struggles from the slot aside, the three Virginia Tech corners allowed Foster to outman Ohio State in the box and win with those numbers. Without a healthy Brandon Facyson, Foster was forced to utilize Donovan Riley (now a safety) at corner and while Riley was game, it took away the ability to lock down across the field and free up both safeties in run support. By the end of the season, Bonner was essentially playing nickel corner against spread looks. It wasn't ideal given how Foster structured his scheme up front to stop the run, and that unit struggled against power rushing teams like Pitt and Miami.
Stopping the run against Ohio State is again a catalyst for success. I am not convinced that Foster will run a Bear front (more on that later in the summer), however you can be assured that Foster will outnumber the Buckeyes in the box regardless of alignment. In order to succeed, Foster needs three special corners outside that can allow C.J. Reavis and the eventual free safety (expected to be Chuck Clark, although against Ohio State I have some doubt) to support the run. Without Facyson, Foster will find himself either turning to a true freshman or perhaps reinstalling a bulked up Donovan Riley back at corner. That isn't ideal in such a big matchup, especially with Ohio State returning explosive deep threats like 6-3, 210 wide receiver Michael Thomas.
The Hokies were incredibly secretive prior to last season's Ohio State game, so I don't think the coaching staff will reveal strategy or personnel prior to the game. If I was a betting man, I would expect that Chuck Clark will stay at the corner position if Brandon Facyson is healthy. Clark would be the nickel just like last season on running downs. On on third-and-long situations, I think Clark will move out to boundary corner and Kendall Fuller will move inside to the nickel. Fuller is the quickest, most talented corner, and the style of routes that the Buckeyes prefer, especially outside release fade routes, are the most difficult for a slot corner to cover.
This scheme completely hinges on Facyson's full recovery and ability to play inside leverage to the field. Without a healthy Facyson, Clark will likely have to play field corner with either Greg Stroman or Mook Reynolds forced into the nickel role and question marks at free safety. With all due respect to Reynolds and Stroman's ability, going from a lineup with three lockdown corners who excel against the routes Ohio State prefers to slot corners unaccustomed to supporting the run would be problematic against the Buckeyes. A healthy Facyson gives Foster the ability to be much more aggressive in the box without being burned deep. If Facyson can't replicate his effort against the Buckeyes in 2014, Foster will have to use a less aggressive approach.
Facyson is the straw that stirs the drink.

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Seeing that Brandon's technique is still top-notch gives me hope that he can come back an even better player than before the injury.
if he postpones medical school and stays healthy , Brandon Facyson has the talent to be a first round draft pick in the NFL like Kendal Fuller .
Great breakdown, French. I had been wondering why our guys never turn around; seemed counterintuitive to me, but now I see how well it can work. CB is probably my favorite position to watch on the field. These guys are just unbelievable athletes.
All the while I was reading the column, I was thinking of this:
Hopefully that's what Urban will be saying throughout the Labor Day matchup.
Same I still don't get doing it all the time. There were so many plays last year that looked like it would have been a 50/50 chance to come down with an int. Even that fuller clip looks like he is in great position to make a play on the ball.
If I had to guess, the risk vs. reward that Torrian teaches is that a PBU is more valuable than an attempt at an INT that results in getting beat. When playing with no safety support, playing the ball and going for the INT can mean the difference between a loss of down and a TD. Sure, INTs are great and we love to get the ball back, but taking your eye off of your man is very risky using this technique.
agreed, which is why I tried to emphasize the all the time. seems like we get in the habit of doing it though even when we have help. would like to see how this has impacted our PI calls per game, if it has made any significant change at all.
I have to imagine that a lot of it will depend on whether we play a tight man coverage or a zone coverage and also whether in that coverage, our DBs are shadowing/mirroring the WR or running stride for stride. I seem to remember us running a lot of tight man coverage last year which is where this technique of watching the receiver, his eyes, and his hands is more important. If we are playing off the receiver in a zone coverage or mirroring the route, then the pass could potentially be undercut and intercepted. It's still risky though because playing aggressive for the INT is often an all or nothing gamble. You either look great or foolish.
agreed. faycson's freshmen year he won that gamble the first half of the season and lost a few the second half.
Yep. That GT game his freshman year was an example of winning those gambles. They make you look great, but are costly when you lose them. In the end, I love seeing our CBs beat the great WRs with incredible pass breakups, like the one from Kyle Fuller against Alabama or Kendall's endzone swat, even more than I enjoy seeing us pull out an INT, unless said INT is a pick 6. I think the pass breakups are more of a testament to the CBs skills against a WR while INTs are a mix bag of errors by the QB and the WR and the CB playing it properly.
I just think with our lack of offense we need to gamble a bit more on defense. To me at least it seemed like our best years of football were years when the defense was able to score and if we aren't going for ints that limits the ability to do that. With as talented as we think we are at DB seems like they should be coming down with the ball pretty regularly and while there are certain matchups, situations (yardage wise on the field), etc. that you don't want to gamble there are also a lot of times where you should trust your playmakers IMO.
I understand the point, but most of our pick sixes over the years have been from tipped passes or ill-advised throws on out routes where a corner playing off jumped the route. Heck, IIRC, the vast majority of pick sixes haven't even been the guy covering the intended target.
While finding the ball on deep passes is all well and good, that isn't where most of VT's interceptions have come from. Generally it has been robber coverage or the things I mentioned above, all of which are still possible even if we continue to play this technique on long throws.
Nailed it
You get less tips when playing this style of coverage though, correct? Looking to disrupt the catch by waiting for the ball to come near their hands isn't going to result in many tips, but not sure that it would matter much since most of these situations happen with an isolated corner.
Great writeup.
I've got to believe OSU is spending the entire summer figuring out ways to break this coverage down.
...still wishing we would locate the ball and attack it for picks. But its TG and have to trust his coaching.
TG will get after ya!
Urban has TG in his nightmares.
I just hope the OSU QBs don't get a hold of this column.
No offense to french/TKP, but if the OSU QBs don't have something in more detail already, then I feel bad for the state of their football program and would chalk their national championship up to a fluke.
No I agree, they will be ready with something new and so will we. I just hope we dominate on defense again so OSU doesn't consider our D as a fluke.
I meant my comment to be more of a joke, but I didn't sleep well last night. I really enjoyed reading about our DBs and French does a great job to "dumb it down" for us.
No worries, I was freaking out a few months ago when X&O labs had Foster's entire Bear Defense laid out for anyone to read (key reads, assignments, blitz schemes etc.) But then I realized that it just means Foster has something else up his sleeve and if OSU wants to spend all their time preparing for the Bear, then they are doing exactly what Foster wants them to do.
It's all a part of the plan:
I have said all along, if one of my reviews helps out an opposing coach, they shouldn't have a job anyway. I am sure that the Ohio State staff has watched the game film and will make adjustments, and you can bet that Foster will do some things differently to throw off Meyer. Foster talked so much about how the Hokies treated Ohio State like Georgia Tech. Well if you have followed VT since Paul Johnson became GT's head coach, you know that Foster has tweaked his approach for defending Johnson's offense every year. I am sure Bud will try to load the box and play a numbers game again, however that doesn't mean that the Bear (which can be exploited, especially by overloading the boundary with receivers and then isolating the field side edge player with speed option, which Ohio State did and should have done more often) will be the cornerstone of the scheme.
Ultimately, X's and O's and technique only means so much. I have said, even before the Hokies beat Ohio State, that the defensive strengths of the Hokies were perfectly situated to take advantage of the weaknesses of the Ohio State offense. Their offensive line struggled against speed and numbers, and Foster was able to be aggressive and deploy those numbers against the run because the VT defensive backs not only had the talent, but also had the system to take advantage of Ohio State's lack of sophistication in the passing game.
If the coaches don't know this and aren't teaching their players PRIOR to TKP analysis, then they're not doing their job.
I've definitely been part of the group (especially at the ECU game last year) that has been screaming for our DB's to turn around and find the ball. Not anymore.
Same here. #themoreyouknow
Is there any news on Fayson coming back? Seems to be...All Quiet on the Fayson Front.
All accounts say he should be 100% by fall camp, if not already.
Alex said he was at camp this weekend throwing football around on the sidelines looking fine.
Facyson at QB? Injuries must be starting early.
/s
Tonight at the Nova Hokie Club event, Foster said he is 100 percent cleared to participate in all football activities right now, and he feels confident to move comfortably. Foster seems to be locked in to Clark at free safety and Facyson at corner.
He also said that Shegog is up to 220 and will be more in a whip role with some nickel work.
I was bummed to have to miss that event. Stupid work.
French any chance you would do a short overview of what was said last night at the event?
"There is in-phase, out-of-phase - I call that being in 'OH SHIT-phase'." - TG (paraphrased).
that was the best
"The OH SHIT 'posture'" was definitely a highlight of the night.
y'all going to be there tonight?
Probably. Roll call?
French, safe to say that in the last clip Riley's coverage is the opposite of how to correctly apply inside leverage? He loses the inside and literally gets spun around...fortunately the receiver doesn't appear to have an option to come across the middle and forces his way back outside.
Great job as always!
On another note, I just wanted to ask if the new avatar was an American Dream tribute? Can't fully tell in the thumb size image.
Nope. It is Playboy Buddy Rose. My avatar pre-dates the unfortunate passing of The Dream.
It's just beautiful to watch.
"At the snap, Facyson is aligned slightly inside of Spencer. When Spencer pushes into Facyson's space, Facyson backpedals but turns his hips so he faces the sideline when Spencer breaks outside. Facyson plants and pushes off to attack the out route, while still being in position to easily turn and run deep if he doesn't see the receiver come back for the football. Note, he is looking at the receiver and reacting to the receiver's movement. He isn't looking for the football.
Spencer goes to the sideline, but doesn't plant and push back for the football. When Spencer turns up field, Facyson has almost two yards of head start on him. "
I'm trying to recall from my foggy memory, but Buddy Bennett, the defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach under Jimmy Sharp, taught basically the same technique to his players. He did however prefer interceptions to defending balls and taught defenders something akin to the Hosley technique on breaking routes to go for the ball, stressing that by doing so a defender was less likely to incur a penalty than by merely trying to get a hand on it - essentially he believed that the defender had equal rights to a ball. For deep routes he coached players to turn and run with the receiver minus the eye/hand technique. The talent then was not the same as today's so results weren't always so great. Gene Bunn had pretty good results over his career though, making all-south teams and honorable mention all-american one season. As well, Bennett had much success at Tennessee with the talented Johnny Majors' group of backs, chalking up something like 35 or more interceptions in one season.
anyone else completely forget that Facyson played in the OSU game?
Nope, he got beat for the only long touchdown of the game. He was hurt so I am not trying to pick on him, I still think he could be a second day draft pick, but it was about the only blemish on that defensive performance that day.
He got beat playing too aggressively on a slant while in outside leverage. He had safety help inside. Also, I think he aggravated his injury on that play.
I think so too, he just didn't look his normal self. I remember at the time thinking that was a very uncharacteristic play from a Hokie DB and thought there must have been miscommunication with his safety help.
Great write-up, thank you. The Buckeye perspective on that game is generally bad offensive play calling, but clearly the Hokies deserve more credit than that. Even though VT "held a running game that averaged 264.5 yards per game in 2014 to 108 yards" I think even with this same defensive scheme Ohio State would have had far more rushing yards if this game had been played in November because of the overall improvement of the running backs, but particularly the offensive line. I hate the hypothetical game in college football though so I guess we'll just have to wait until Labor Day to see if that's really the case.
welcome to the boards. Have a leg. How'd you find us and what's the story behind the username?
Thank you - my go-to Ohio State blog, Eleven Warriors, worked on a preview of the game with The Key Play. I put a lot of stock in their quality so I figured this would be a solid VT community.
I think you figured right. Welcome!
That game was also just a handful of plays from going the other way. There was a flare pass over Dontre Wilson's head early in the fourth that would have went for a 70 yard TD and broke the game open. And obviously Barrett made a bad read on the last interception, in a 7 point game. (that said, he made that bad read because he'd been beat up all game) We feel very fortunate to come out of there with a win, but we earned it with some tough runs in the redzone, a great pass/catch for the Bucky TD and a defensive gameplan that was brilliant.
We are looking forward to the rematch, which seems odd considering how much you guys accomplished after that game and the fact that we will be 20 point underdogs. We have this weird confidence going for us, we think we are much better than last year.
Agreed. Even though VT shut down the running game, Ohio State had chances to blow the game open and could not make plays down field when they had chances. Fast forward a week, and ECU made every single play they had to in the same situation. Margins for error are very small when you play an aggressive system like this.
I also think that the Buckeye's amazing run down the stretch deserves all the credit in the world, however they did not play an opponent that had the speed up front to play a defensive system the way the Hokies did. Even Alabama and Oregon played very static bend-but-don't break 3 man fronts against the Buckeyes. It played right into their strength (Elliot and play action.)
ecu seemed to take advantage of this defense in ways osu wasn't ready to. they just threw jump balls to their huge 6'4" WR and let him go up and make a play knowing the defender was just going to play his hand/arms.
and then on the other side there was their nose tackle eating our o-line for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Basically they beat us with physical freaks
Up vote for the down vote.
really? someone downvoted that? my best guess is that it must have been a 'fat-finger' downvote by someone scrolling through on their keyboardless device.
His other post was down voted also...
ahh..I see..sounds like someone has a vendetta
upvotes/downvotes are just fun for me. if I cared what random people on the internet thought about me I would only post things that could be construed as extremely positive to other VT fans. It's a joke how bad it is over on 247 they even give you a star ranking...
Does a 5* mean you are most likely to get draft to the "pro" boards?
Guaranteed first round pick.
Both? Dudes anOSU undergrad and a VT grad student. Welcome comrade! ...I think? I know youll clearly be pulling for OSU since undergrad trumps all...but youre also one of us....
Spot on - maybe after Labor Day I'll switch the picture but you're right, my undergrad loyalties are solidly Buckeye. For what it's worth, I love it here at VT, and frankly our universities are very similar. Douchey rival (Michigan and Virginia), blue-collar/agriculture roots, sprawling land grant campus, but most of all, everyone who attends loves it. I've never met a student at either university with anything less than fierce loyalty. It's a shame we can't make this a more regular matchup. I'd gladly boot Purdue to the MAC and take VT into the Big Ten but that's probably not an option.
we should get #Purdue4MAC trending.
I'm making it my signature for comments over on my Ohio State blog.
great. now this is all I can think about with Purdue
If the game were played in November the outcome would have been very different because, by that point in the season, the Hokies had become a walking triage unit. On the defense alone we would have been without starters at MLB, DB, and DT (that's just off the top of my head).
Even if it had been the same players, OSU really developed as the team throughout the year. OSU avg 509 yards a game in Nov. vs avg of 375 in it's first 2 games (NAVY&VT). Against Mich St they had 568 yards of offense and averaged 6.5 yrds per rush against the #8 Total Defense and #1 Rush Defense Team
Its also why sprinters never turn around to see where their competition is. The step you lose is the step they gain.
By the same logic, when the WR does turn to look for the ball, they potentially lose a step that could be all the difference in allowing the DB to catch up or adjust for errors. Also, it helps the DB to be watching the WR in case they make adjustments to the ball so you don't end up with a PI call for running into the stopped WR when the ball comes.
The real key to this strategy is patience. You can't put your hands in the face of the WR until the very moment the ball arrives so you're considered "making a play on the ball". Anything prior will get the flag, but wait too long and you've missed the bat down opportunity. Facyson and Fuller had a few borderline plays that could have been PI. The OSU faithful certainly thought they were.
I agree with you, but the difference is if neither man finds the ball, the DB wins. The WR has to turn and find it or else there is no point in throwing the ball. On the other hand the DB can afford to just follow the man in hopes he leads them to the ball.
Yep. Only three things can happen when a pass is in the air, a Completion, penalty, or incomplete. A DB only has a direct hand in one always, the PI call. If a DB does nothing, the WR will either catch or drop it.
If the DB doesn't interfere, every ball is 50/50. If he does, worst case is a 15 yard penalty.
Which is why I think PI should be a spot foul. That would make PI. Less of a take the penalty to prevent the PI play a viable tactic.
Disagree on that one, especially in college. I don't want refs to have the power to award 50 yard penalties.
I'm with OSU on this one. Its less about giving refs the power and more about preventing PI from happening IMO. The new targeting ejection rule was put into play not to give refs the power to eject players but to stop targeting from happening. In the former case, I believe the crime should fit the punishment. In most PI calls, the WR would more than likely have caught the ball which places the ball at least at that spot anyway.
The only thing I would say is if they made PI a spot foul, at least allow the opportunity for the refs to review the penalty as they can review the targeting penalty. A 50 yard foul could change the outcome of a game, but so could a 50 yard no-call.
I'm actually quite a fan of the way it's called in high school. PI is 15 yards, unless it's a blatant attempt by the defender to just tackle the guy to prevent a big play, which tacks on an additional 15 yards. I'd like to see something like that. That way, a defender won't get dinged 50 yards for running into a guy on an underthrown ball or mistiming his jump by a half-second, but you'd still get a more serious penalty for a guy desperately trying to make up for getting beat without even attempting to play the ball.
That would be a good compromise as long as the rule was reasonably clear on the difference. Maybe incidental contact is 15 but anything else is a spot foul? I realize it is hard to come up with a clear line but a tie should go to the receiver, IMHO. Allowing review would be useful as pointed out above.
I would not at all be opposed to a review, so long as it didn't extend the game too much (side note: we don't need a running clock and less football. We need more football and fewer commercials). One of the great things about football officiating is that we can take an extra 2 or 3 seconds to process what just happened and then throw the flag if we're sure it's a foul. Still, having an extra set of eyes look at it for a minute or so wouldn't hurt.
Excellant points. I don't want to see endless reviews but have the option, on a close call, to ensure it was correct or at least not clear cut to overturn. Second guessing referees would add nothing, especially since they get more right than wrong; despite what fans think when a call goes against them.
I will go ahead and say it: a certain "catch" was called correctly the first time and then overturned on review. As much as I hate to say it, I'd rather the refs just be trusted or blamed for calling it right the first time.
Also, for any replay-able call, the rules have to be very specific to dictate the calls (ball breaking the plane, ball contacting the ground before the receiver had control, etc). I don't see how a slow motion replay would really help tell the difference between incidental contact and intentional interference. You should have enough eyes on the play at that point to make a reasonable call.
Reviews should be done NHL style, Central office multiple people looking at it, majority vote wins.
Agreed. It'd be similar to a targeting call, IMO. One or two a game, if that, that review a foul which results in a significant penalty.
And Hokie07, you can have good on-field officials, good replay officials, or a bad one in either setting. As much as I'd like to trust on-field officials, in general, more eyes + more time to review = more better.
Tressel's reponse, when asked "what is PI," said it best. "When the guy striped shirt throws a yellow flag, that's PI."
I think it will be interesting to see how you guys adapted your coverage to our team this year, when we have an experienced QB with a more seasoned set of receivers. We should be more willing to test your coverage and force them to worry about them when we show a run play so dropping off coverage could prove very costly. OTOH, we will have a more credible run threat so that if you do try to take away the pass we may be able to make you pay with the running game.
I think we will really test your defense this year and Foster et al will really need to devise some schemes to contain our offense. We have a few key losses at WR and will need to find a credible deep threat but if we do I think we will give your secondary a real challenge.
I see us trying to establish our run game and use that to open up teh passing game. Elliot, Samuel and our QB all will be capable of breaking big plays so you guys will have their hands full.
As for having more film on us I'll give you that; the flip side is it forces you to think about how will you deal with what we can do if we are hitting on all cylinders. I can't wait for the game, it will be one of our biggest test this season.
If you haven't, drop into elevenwarriors and check out some of the articles on our offense. We'd love to hear your take on how you think you will deal with it; and talk some friendly smack as well.
A few thoughts:
First, I agree with you that you guys will likely want to establish the run against us with Elliot et al. to set up the passing game. On the other side, however, our DL will be an incredibly tough group. We have arguably one of the best pairs of DEs in the country with Nicolas and Ekanem, and we have at least 5 guys at DT that we can rotate. Having that type of depth on the line will be huge in keeping our guys fresh and slowing down your running game. We also have two very good outside linebackers in Clarke and VanDyke. The biggest question mark with the front seven is our MLB; he has a good bit of experience from last year, but struggled at times when forced into duty. His continued development from this spring into the fall is critical.
If our DB Facyson is fully healthy, which by all accounts the outlook is good, we will have an excellent set of corners. Safety is a bit of a question mark after losing two experienced starters, but the situation there is somewhat fluid with a lot of talent, and I don't think Foster will reveal his plan for personnel there. You guys have a question there in finding a credible deep threat, as you mentioned. It will be interesting to see the chess match of Meyer's offense vs Foster's defense unfold. We return a ton of experience and athleticism. I expect Foster to have an incredible game plan, and I doubt you see the same scheme from us as last year.
I think the key for us to win the game, however, is on the flip side of the equation. If our offense can execute again, sustaining and finishing drives, and keeping our D off the field, I think we have a very good shot against you guys. We return 4 starters on OL from last year, and their continued cohesion is critical to our success. As they began to gel towards the end of last season, our running game began to flourish again, and we saw that trend continue into the spring. If we can use our running game to take pressure off our QB and keep him upright, I think we have an excellent set of weapons at WR and TE to make big plays in the play-action passing game. I would expect to see a lot of multiple TE looks from us.
I'm anxiously looking forward to this game. I think you all will be very impressed by the raucous atmosphere at Lane on Labor Day. It will be a challenging environment for the road team. Should be a great game.
Our O against your D will be fun to watch. Our line is really good and experienced, so I expect them to give our QB better protection and more time to progress through his reads. Like you said, a key will be our ability to sustain drives. We need to control the clock and wear down your D. We're not an Oregon taht will happliy get into a shoot out, so I expect a lot of runs to gain field position with some passing to break a big play.
I think our D will perform much better this time as we return most of it, especially on teh line. Our secondary should be solid even with a key loss, so if our front four can pressure your QB and force some mistakes we should be able contain your O. Ash and Fickle will be ready for you and have good game plan.
It will be a great game and I expect it to be won in the trenches. We both will be different teams than last year, with us bing more experienced and you returning an experienced and healthy team.
I am really curious who will be our QB as each choice adds some unique capabilities. BM will probably getthe nod if he is 100% as he is the most explosive one we have; but 12 guage is a bruiser with a cannon for an arm. Then again, Barrett is probably better than 12 guage as a tactician and pure passer.I'd like to see BM line up as an H back with Barret or 12 guage under center to really give your D a tough look.
At any rate, we have 2 great teams and coaches who will no doubt make it a great game.
I imagine that Barrett is trying hard to be the guy. We are the only blemish on his career record. That being said, he might also remember being blitzed from 7 different locations. That can give a QB nightmares.
Barret, assuming Miller isn't good to go, would be a good choice because his passing ability, especially on shorter throws, is very good and he can exploit your D on crossing routes with his accuracy. Ideally, assuming no Miller, is for 12 gauge to improve his game to match Barret which would give us the added advantage of a deep threat on each play. I would not be surprised to see, whoever our starter, to see 12 gauge as the Tebow type to carry the ball on short yardage or red zone plays; since he is always a power run threat who is tough to bring down.
I bet we see more routes besides a fake slant and out and all those deep routes from the Buckeyes this year. But, if the Hokies can stop the run and put tOSU in 3rd and long, the Buckeye passing game becomes much easier to defend.
With us already putting receivers on islands and loading the box, you may have to do it the other way 'round and establish the pass to open up the run.
The very basis (as I understand it) of our "Ga. Tech approach" is to gap fit and have responsibility/accountability for every space and player, rather than the ball or the ball carrier.
OSU makes it much harder to just play gap fit because of the shift they made after the VT game where they threw to running backs, H-backs, and tight ends quite a bit. This means not only do safeties and linebackers have to have the correct gap fit and diagnose misdirection/play action, but they also have make sure to stick with their coverage responsibility. I couldn't tell you the number of times linebackers simply forgot to cover the back/TE out of the backfield. This is a very difficult offense to play against for linebackers, safeties, and defensive ends. A good Michigan State defense in particular struggled a ton because the linebackers did a terrible job of figuring out their responsibility on plays and were lost the whole game.
Where playing Georgia Tech (and several other teams on our schedule that run read option and veer looks) and the one-gap system both come in handy is the discipline that is required to make sure that you are playing your assignment and trusting your teammates to do the same. In both offensive systems, if you get caught trying to make a play instead of your assignment and misdiagnose, it's probably a touchdown.
tl;dr cliffs: I agree.
Not quite. In college ball you are allowed to face guard the receiver by blocking his view with your hand as much as you want. It is not PI like it is in the NFL.
I agree that patience & timing is key though. If you put your hand up too early the WR has a chance to separate and get a clear look at the ball, and you are risking a collision that will draw the PI if you try and run down the field with a WR with a hand in his face...
another point about schemeing for the game is that I believe we have a lot more credible footage to go off of than they do. Our best game was undoubtly against OSU. They can watch that tape, and perahps LOLUVA and Cinci in the military bowl. However again, we were playing without a lot of our players for most of the season.
Our video on the other hand has basically an entire season and playoffs of credible footage as OSU got better as the year went on. I think in terms of that we may have a little bit easier time scheming for that game than OSU will have.
DBU. That is all.
I'm wearing a shirt that says that today.
French great write up! I'm such a better fan for reading this site, of course my friends are tired of my constant in-game analysis..... but hey that's their problem!
I do have a question. I know on the interior that lineman are often coached on techniques that give false cues to the other side. I wonder if receivers are ever coached to deliver false hand flashes to trigger an ill-timed response by the defender. With your back to the quarterback and keying on the hands of the receiver, a defensive back might be vulnerable to such a technique.
My favorite in game analysis was Finebaum et. al.'s during our game against Bama. It's hilarious to see the go from "how big will teh blowout be" to "what happened to us?" Living in SEC land makes 85 yards through the heart of the South the best thing since another Ohioan ran off left tackle through it.
As a Hokie living in Bama-land, I had such a big smile on my face when they broke that run loose. I love to see the tears roll.
This is (so far) perhaps my most favorite thread ever on TKP. CB is my fave position and I always play it whenever I get together to play pigskin. Thanks very much French.
Fantastic analogy!
"Agreed. Even though VT shut down the running game, Ohio State had chances to blow the game open and could not make plays down field when they had chances."
Isn't this the way it is every game!???
Like the note on the national talking heads. They only get in it deep when talking about...well not us.
It seems like an experienced receiver would be able to sucker our guys into a pass interference with a little early hand action.
ECU did. Carden got rid of the ball quickly and underthrew his guys. They drew some PI's and the underthrow allowed Worthy to go up and win jump balls instead of potentially overthrowing him on lower trajectory throws.
I think ECU identified what we did defensively against OSU and took advantage of it with quick underthrows. They identified the Bear and single-coverage, attacked with high underthrows and feasted on Facyson in the first half.
I think Cincy was ready for the Bear too (considering their first quarter success) and the bail-out zone gave them fits. AnOSU better have their read-option installed, a bear-counter, and a tell and counter for the zone-bailout when they come to play. That's a tall order for the first game of the season :)
...especially when you have 3 QBs. If Urban doesn't give one of them the majority of snaps with the 1s then that makes it all the more difficult.
This infuriated me that day. I knew as soon as it happened twice they had exposed a weakness. After seeing that and the first quarter score I was prepared to watch a blowout and get hammered.
On Memorial Day I was sitting in my daughter's backyard in Lynchburg around a fire with one of her friends, Cam - a diehard Hokie, and he brought up last year's game. He was full of piss and vinegar until I asked him what happened to VT after that. :) We had a good time talking CFB. He will be attending the game on Labor Day. We exchanged cell numbers and promised to text our boasts or regrets to one another before, during, and after the game.
We CFB fans try to get into the minutia of the game, and that's fun and fine, but no matter what schemes are being run or designs an offense/defense has, it always comes down to one guy beating the guy across from him, and the team that does that more often almost always wins - unless something offsets that like turnovers, special teams scores, defensive scores, or explosive plays - and those things make CFB exciting and somewhat unpredictable, which is one of the reasons why we love it.
I met my wife in Virginia, and found out that Virginia really is for lovers. I proposed to her at the lodge near the Peaks of Otter. I love seeing the Blue Ridge Mountains every time I am down there, and am really looking forward to talking to you guys leading up to Sept 7 and sharing a love for CFB.
Welcome! I assume you came over from 11W? Just think only 80some days til the game!
I look at that site, and occasionally post. I also belong to Buckeyeplanet. Those are the best sites that I am aware of, although I'm not much into the negativity and hostility that you see on message boards. But people are people, no matter where you go, and there is always "that element". :)
Cam told me about TKP when I asked about forums. I don't think he belongs, but he peeks on here for info.
Welcome! We certainly like talking with members of opponents' fan bases, and thus far the OSU folks have been great to have around. Hopefully you'll find a very intelligent and enjoyable community here.