Somebody really needs to ask him where he got the duct tape jacket. It would be the most awesome thing ever to see him and all of the linemen in those jackets with hats on backwards in front of an 80s Corvette. It would be the greatest 80s album cover.
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I like the enthusiasm and positive reinforcement. BUT... there are some technique things I am seeing that I don't like. I need to see if they are effective before I can castigate him, but I don't like pad level across the board and I don't like the erect posture, squat, and waddle. Wyatt Teller pulling and cutting guys down was glorious. Teller squat waddling and being upright when blocking is not as pleasing to the eye.
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I was always taught that low man wins, and particularly with a back side scoop block or a reach block, you want to be low and get the bend of your shoulder and neck in between the defender and the football. Not all coaches teach it that way anymore, but I can tell you that if I wasn't low and didn't neutralize the defender's play side leg or shoulder, I got beat on the play.
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I agree, was always taught low man wins and teach that myself. But there are always new concepts coming up. Reason why the squat is so important, so you can explode up through the opponent.
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Here is an example (and I will pick on Wyatt, even though he is doing exactly what he is taught.) On the play at the 1:50 mark, Teller is pulling and kicking out an edge guy. He is standing almost upright and shuffling his feet and then delivers a high blow with his hands and right shoulder into the chest of the edge player. For how I was taught, he should open up ("step into the bucket") with his left leg and then be fast and aggressive at a low angle charging for the inside hip pad on the left side of the defender (green circle.) This gives you two advantages as a blocker. First of all, the aggressive quick posture allows you to get into the body of a defender quickly. This is important. Almost always the defender will be a quicker better athlete than the offensive lineman. The more time you give him to react, the more time he has to make you miss. The head placement is key because even if you don't pancake the defender or you lose your feet as a blocker, by getting your head between the defender and the ball carrier's path your head becomes an natural impediment. The defender has to give ground to get around you.
We actually worked on drills where, if you felt the defender slide off as your head is past him, you drop down to your hands and try to kick him in the face (like a handstand.) In a game situation, you never get your feet up high, but the movement throws your legs and hip across the path of the defender.
There are some other things too- the second step thing is well and good. The second step is the power step that helps you win your block. But, if your first step is too slow, no amount of power will help you recover your blocking angle, especially on a back side scoop.
His techniques worked at Memphis. So much of what Fuente does involves influencing the defense out of position with movement and keybreakers. I imagine the blocking is done to do the same. But this style isn't going to produce offensive line play that sees blockers burying defenders into the ground to open huge holes. Huge holes will be the result of the defenders being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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If the OL gets the guys out of position by planting them, riding them, or playing hopskotch with them across the field, I don't care. As long as the hole is there and they protect the QB
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Your initial reviews of how the OL is being coached has me really concerned. For a long time now I have regarded the OL as the single most important component to the offense. I really believe that the offense goes as the OL goes. It worries me because if the OL isn't learning the proper fundamental techniques then this offense can't work at it's full potential. Am I crazy? Talk me off the ledge, will ya?
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I will know more when I see them live. Again, the communication is much better. I like his delivery. But, in my film reviews of Memphis, OL was not dominant.
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speaking of that, when are we gonna be graced with those? I'm itching to see what you have discovered about the offense we're hoping to get in The Burg in the next few years.
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I apologize- given the lack of access to film of spring stuff and the steady stream of news (Buzzketball, Press Conferences etc.) we are going to run the series right after the review of the spring game.
Topics are-
1) Forcing the Defense to defend the entire field/multiple options from every formation (Keybreaking the Defense)
2) Game Planning to Mitigate Talent Discrepancies (ie- making JJ Watt look really bad)
3) The unique role of the H-back in the offense and how the H-back alignment and post-snap movement usually will tell you where the football is going on run action.
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thanks for the update....this is a bit of a teaser though and now I know that I have to wait another month. I'll suck it up and wait as patiently as I can....no promises of success there.
hopefully my TKP SWAG-KEY will come in the mail any day now and I'll be able to occupy my mind with that for a while instead.
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Vance Vice was Fuente's OL coach the entire time he was at Memphis. They went from a disaster to one of the top offenses in the nation. Vice has already proven he can coach the OL to suit Fuente's offense.
Breathe.
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I started to say the same thing but then I remembered Ol Miss and the narrow loss to Houston (who needed to hit a last second FG at home to win). Memphis played well against reputable programs as well as up-and-comers. Houston lost one head-scratcher of a game but they soundly beat an ACC team in FSU for their bowl game to finish 13-1. Memphis went toe to toe with that same team on the road. I guess whatever Vice does to coach up his OL works for Fuente and his offense. I have some lingering concerns based on what French says but if it ain't broke, don't break it, I guess.
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I love French's analysis like we all do, but I also know that he can incur the wrath of those who don't care to hear his take. He isn't saying we cannot be successful because of this/that/the other technique, just that he is concerned or was taught differently. Analysis is just that, not necessarily a predictor of future accomplishment, just a magnified snapshot of what's going on. More right than wrong, I think, but Memphis had a level of talent that was arguably less than what he will be working with at VT.
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Coaches are really pushing emotion this year. From the snaps, I've seen Foster screaming at his guys about it, I've seen Fuente praising the 1's for cheering on the 2's when someone makes a big play, and now Vance talking about it. I've never seen this stressed so much by our coaches before.
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Well, that was a useful post...
Who are the blue and green jerseys?
Blue denotes limited contact.
Green means no contact/injured.
Or it might be flipped since its been so long.
So the players are hurt or fatigued and on limited snaps and or contact.
I really love his style. I think he's a great coach. But, then again, I know about negative 50 footballs when it comes to O-line
Love Coach Vice even more now
Awesome catchphrase he said "Right there right there right there! FUEGO!"
I still appreciate the alert.
Edit: Hit refresh multiple times, but not quick enough on the draw.
Here you go!See above. This one is just as good as the rest. There's a cool little back and forth at the 2:34 mark between coach and Wyatt.I'm digging the shiny leather jacket/backwards hat look.
I like the bit about having to focus on good technique when you're tired and winded.
That's applicable to all sorts of life situations.
Gotta be hard with a few of the OL who've had 3 different coaches in 4 years.
Conte has had 4 in 5 years I believe, Newsome, Grimes, Searles for 2, and Vice
Somebody really needs to ask him where he got the duct tape jacket. It would be the most awesome thing ever to see him and all of the linemen in those jackets with hats on backwards in front of an 80s Corvette. It would be the greatest 80s album cover.
Wyatt has to have the mohawk on full glorious display though
I heard him say "Nice work 72" or "good" about 2 dozen times. Sounds like Augie had a good practice
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Vance Vice is my spirit animal.
I like the enthusiasm and positive reinforcement. BUT... there are some technique things I am seeing that I don't like. I need to see if they are effective before I can castigate him, but I don't like pad level across the board and I don't like the erect posture, squat, and waddle. Wyatt Teller pulling and cutting guys down was glorious. Teller squat waddling and being upright when blocking is not as pleasing to the eye.
Did hear him at 1:07 or so say 'little bit lower with your pad level Wyatt"
my hearing is shite
I can't imagine trying to block someone with an erect posture.
Threatening castigation this early in spring practice?
Damn, French. Go easy, big guy.
It was enjoyable to hear Vice. I don't know what there was to make of the technique one way or the other. I don't have French's eyes dern it!
I was always taught that low man wins, and particularly with a back side scoop block or a reach block, you want to be low and get the bend of your shoulder and neck in between the defender and the football. Not all coaches teach it that way anymore, but I can tell you that if I wasn't low and didn't neutralize the defender's play side leg or shoulder, I got beat on the play.
I agree, was always taught low man wins and teach that myself. But there are always new concepts coming up. Reason why the squat is so important, so you can explode up through the opponent.
Here is an example (and I will pick on Wyatt, even though he is doing exactly what he is taught.) On the play at the 1:50 mark, Teller is pulling and kicking out an edge guy. He is standing almost upright and shuffling his feet and then delivers a high blow with his hands and right shoulder into the chest of the edge player. For how I was taught, he should open up ("step into the bucket") with his left leg and then be fast and aggressive at a low angle charging for the inside hip pad on the left side of the defender (green circle.) This gives you two advantages as a blocker. First of all, the aggressive quick posture allows you to get into the body of a defender quickly. This is important. Almost always the defender will be a quicker better athlete than the offensive lineman. The more time you give him to react, the more time he has to make you miss. The head placement is key because even if you don't pancake the defender or you lose your feet as a blocker, by getting your head between the defender and the ball carrier's path your head becomes an natural impediment. The defender has to give ground to get around you.
We actually worked on drills where, if you felt the defender slide off as your head is past him, you drop down to your hands and try to kick him in the face (like a handstand.) In a game situation, you never get your feet up high, but the movement throws your legs and hip across the path of the defender.
There are some other things too- the second step thing is well and good. The second step is the power step that helps you win your block. But, if your first step is too slow, no amount of power will help you recover your blocking angle, especially on a back side scoop.
His techniques worked at Memphis. So much of what Fuente does involves influencing the defense out of position with movement and keybreakers. I imagine the blocking is done to do the same. But this style isn't going to produce offensive line play that sees blockers burying defenders into the ground to open huge holes. Huge holes will be the result of the defenders being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If the OL gets the guys out of position by planting them, riding them, or playing hopskotch with them across the field, I don't care. As long as the hole is there and they protect the QB
Your initial reviews of how the OL is being coached has me really concerned. For a long time now I have regarded the OL as the single most important component to the offense. I really believe that the offense goes as the OL goes. It worries me because if the OL isn't learning the proper fundamental techniques then this offense can't work at it's full potential. Am I crazy? Talk me off the ledge, will ya?
I will know more when I see them live. Again, the communication is much better. I like his delivery. But, in my film reviews of Memphis, OL was not dominant.
speaking of that, when are we gonna be graced with those? I'm itching to see what you have discovered about the offense we're hoping to get in The Burg in the next few years.
I apologize- given the lack of access to film of spring stuff and the steady stream of news (Buzzketball, Press Conferences etc.) we are going to run the series right after the review of the spring game.
Topics are-
1) Forcing the Defense to defend the entire field/multiple options from every formation (Keybreaking the Defense)
2) Game Planning to Mitigate Talent Discrepancies (ie- making JJ Watt look really bad)
3) The unique role of the H-back in the offense and how the H-back alignment and post-snap movement usually will tell you where the football is going on run action.
thanks for the update....this is a bit of a teaser though and now I know that I have to wait another month. I'll suck it up and wait as patiently as I can....no promises of success there.
hopefully my TKP SWAG-KEY will come in the mail any day now and I'll be able to occupy my mind with that for a while instead.
Vance Vice was Fuente's OL coach the entire time he was at Memphis. They went from a disaster to one of the top offenses in the nation. Vice has already proven he can coach the OL to suit Fuente's offense.
Breathe.
But will it work in the ACC against better opponents is my worry.
I started to say the same thing but then I remembered Ol Miss and the narrow loss to Houston (who needed to hit a last second FG at home to win). Memphis played well against reputable programs as well as up-and-comers. Houston lost one head-scratcher of a game but they soundly beat an ACC team in FSU for their bowl game to finish 13-1. Memphis went toe to toe with that same team on the road. I guess whatever Vice does to coach up his OL works for Fuente and his offense. I have some lingering concerns based on what French says but if it ain't broke, don't break it, I guess.
I love French's analysis like we all do, but I also know that he can incur the wrath of those who don't care to hear his take. He isn't saying we cannot be successful because of this/that/the other technique, just that he is concerned or was taught differently. Analysis is just that, not necessarily a predictor of future accomplishment, just a magnified snapshot of what's going on. More right than wrong, I think, but Memphis had a level of talent that was arguably less than what he will be working with at VT.
Around 2:30 it looks like it's the 1's working together. If that's the case then the current 1st string would be:
LT - 71 Jonathan McLaughlin
LG - 57 Wyatt Teller
C - 64 Eric Gallo
RG - 72 Augie Conte
RT - 67 Parker Osterloh
We are deep at OT for the first time ever. I could see Moore and Nijman as the starters as well.
Just when I thought Teller couldn't look any tougher he starts wearing a neck pad.
he looks like a bigger version of Jake Houseright.
All I know now is that the second foot IS THE ONE THAT MATTERS.
Is it just me, or is Vance Vice is the physical embodiment of PC Principal from South Park?
Oh man you nailed it
Vance Vice is PC principal's evil twin, UnPC Football Coach.
Before long, he'll be having opposing defenses "check their privilege"
Coaches are really pushing emotion this year. From the snaps, I've seen Foster screaming at his guys about it, I've seen Fuente praising the 1's for cheering on the 2's when someone makes a big play, and now Vance talking about it. I've never seen this stressed so much by our coaches before.
"Don't go to, go through"
Now there's a mantra I can get behind, or in front of.....
Better get out of the way.