Bud Foster Sketches Out Potential Scheme Changes Ahead of Fall Camp

The longtime DC goes in-depth about how he sees the defense changing in 2016.

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When Bud Foster committed to stay on as defensive coordinator at Virginia Tech with Justin Fuente, he wasn't just opting for continuity — he was looking for a chance to prove that the step back his defense took last year was merely a temporary one.

Indeed, expectations were high for the Hokies headed into the year, yet Foster's bunch only managed to finish 44th in the country in yards allowed per game (their lowest such ranking since 2010).

From a spate of injuries to C.J. Reavis' sudden dismissal from the team, there's a variety of mitigating factors to take into account when evaluating that kind of slippage. But it's still worth wondering: what, if anything, will Foster change about his scheme this season?

Accordingly, The Key Play sat down with Foster for a quick Q and A session immediately before the kickoff of fall camp to address that very question, among others.

AK: One of the biggest changes in the makeup of the defense this coming year seems to be along the defensive line. Without a pure speed rusher like Dadi Nicolas and some bigger defensive linemen up and down the depth chart, will we see more use of power rush concepts focused on collapsing the pocket rather than trying to get an outside edge speed rush?

BF: I'm not for sure yet, but we're not going to change what we do a whole lot. Dadi, he was a dynamic guy coming off the edge, but I think I'd like to find some guys that are a little bit more firm at the point of attack. He could do some things at times, but being consistently good and getting some bigger guys, we've got some bigger guys who can move, it's not like we don't have the capabilities of having some speed rushers off the edge.

I'm excited about our young ends. This spring, we did not have Seth Dooley, he was out, a big kid that can run and move around and I'm excited about what he can do. Then you throw in Trevon Hill who's showed some Dadi Nicolas kind of moves and explosiveness, but he's 6'4" and 250 pounds, that's kind of where we can be a little bit different.

You've got Houshun Gaines as another guy there, Darius Fullwood, another young end that showed flashes toward the end of spring ball, those are guys that have a lot of potential but no game experience, and the best teacher is experience. So I'm hoping that, with Vinny Mihota, a big, physical kid who has some experience and plays extremely hard and extremely smart, Seth, probably our top backup last year, looking forward to him taking another step because of the experience he gained, and Ken Ekanem being the leader of that group, the cupboard's not bare, we just have some young players.

And that's kind of how we are across the board at all positions, we have some talented guys, we have some hungry guys, we have some experienced guys coming back. You've got a mix of experience with some green guys that are also very motivated and understand the tradition there, who want to get that tradition back as far as being a flying around, dynamic defense, so we're working hard at that and with these kids, the best teacher is experience.

You can practice all you want, but until you get out there in front of 65,000 people doing it with the lights on and it means something, that's when you really find out what these guys are all about.

AK: It seems to me that Tremaine Edmunds is another guy with potential, but little in the way of experience. Last year, it seemed as if your backers were playing more on the edge than inside, and with his size, do you see Tremaine following that trend?

BF: He can do both, I mean, our backer position has been the same for years, as far as going back to Ken Brown to Jamal Smith to Ben Taylor to Xavier Adibi, and I see him in that kind of Xavier Adibi role. He can blitz off the edge, he can play in the core, that's what that backer position does.

There's going to be times that he'll play in the core, but he's a guy that can play in space. He's long, he's a smart kid, and you're going to be able to see us do some more things than what we've been able to do the last couple years.

We were really limited, even though Deon Clarke was a dynamic athlete, he was limited with some things that we could do with him, so for me Tremaine is a guy that's long, athletic, he can be a good space player, a good blitzer, and you'll only see him continue to get better.

His first game he started last year when he played a quarter against Georgia Tech, that's a tough game to break in on, but then he played really, really well in the bowl game and I think he showed there and in the spring game what his potential is.

We couldn't blitz in the spring game, but you could see him run and chase things down and make big plays, and he did that in the bowl game and spring game. And I'm really excited about his potential, we played him last year for the potential for him to be ready to play and be our starter this fall, to get him some experience and out there practicing.

Is he where he needs to be yet? No, but am I excited about his future and do I think he'll be a dynamic player when it's all said and done? Yes, so he's got a chance to be a complete football player and dynamic football player for us.

AK: I have to imagine that having a guy with experience like Andrew Motuapuaka at the mike helps compensate for Tremaine's inexperience, but surely there's also ways you'd like to see him raise his game this year. What do you need Andrew to improve on this season?

BF: We talked about that today, we need to be erasers at linebacker, we need to eliminate plays and we need to make plays, and we had that with a guy like Jack Tyler. He was your perfect workmanlike lunchpail guy and Bruce Taylor, he was a dynamic mike linebacker, and those guys made some plays for us, and we need Andrew to do some of that.

He started out, his first game was against Ohio State really, just kinda getting that under his belt and was really just OK. I thought he got better as the year went along, just as any first-year player would be in having that role and being the starter.

But again, I think you're gonna see a guy with much more experience, much more game savvy, much more understanding of the position and how that's employed in the scheme of things, and understanding that him and Tremaine need to be dynamic playmakers for us and football players, not just in the run game, but in the blitz game, in the passing game, all kinds of things. Hopefully we can stay healthy, and I'm expecting big things from those guys this year.

AK: Speaking of staying healthy, how comfortable are you with your secondary right now? Last year you did plenty of position shuffling due to injuries, and even some this spring. Are you planning on some more in fall camp?

BF: We did enough shuffling last year, and that's kind of why we were who we were defensively last year.

You lose a guy like C.J. Reavis at the beginning of the year who was a big time football player, counting on him to be our starting rover, and then you lose Kendall Fuller, and all of a sudden you lose two dynamic football players. Not just good football players, I'm talking dynamic playmaking-type guys, and all of a sudden we're kind of in a cluster.

We're not in very good shape all of a sudden, we're playing some young guys, and you've got Brandon Facyson who's up and down with some injuries and things, and all of a sudden three guys who you're really counting on, all of a sudden the only solid guy you have returning is Chuck Clark, so we really had to shuffle around.

And last year you had guys playing one week at corner, one week at safety, one week at nickel and it was hard for us, if I needed to make adjustments, for those guys to understand that. So we went this offseason and really zeroed in on guys where we think best fit their talent at what spot and gone back and left them there.

Last year, we played about 70 percent man free and this spring we really focused a lot more on playing some zone defenses, quarters coverages, that type of thing. Played some man free, but not nearly as much.

I want to get back and let those kids understand the concepts of two deep, three deep besides just playing man. And in man, we gave up some plays, but also you get more eyes on the football, and particularly nowadays with the way offenses are trying to split your defense as far as running bubbles over here and a quarterback counter over here and a sweep over here, splitting just means you've got to have more eyes on the football, and that's one thing where I wanted to get back to what we did back two years ago and before.

Last year was just one of those years where we had a lot of injuries, a lot of situations that put us in tough situations, but by the same token we were able to get great experience. You've got a kid like Terrell Edmunds that had a great spring, Adonis Alexander who really did some good things, Greg Stroman in really his first year playing, really stepped up. Mook Reynolds had a really outstanding spring, you go along with Chuck Clark, Der'Woun Greene, who's returning.

We need to create a little more depth at some of those spots. I think with Facyson coming back, and him being healthy, we've got Khalil Ladler who stood out, I'm really excited about his future. And we've got a couple of young kids, Tyree Rodgers, Jovonn Quillen and Reggie Floyd, I've really been impressed with those three young guys along with Khalil Ladler, and all of a sudden, we've improved ourselves.

And actually after spring ball, this summer we took Deon Newsome and we've got him working over at the rover spot right now. So I think we've helped ourselves with depth, but not only with depth, but also with experience.

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Oh thank god Alex. Work is slow and I was dying for something to come out on TKP. Thanks!

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I hope the upcoming activity once the season starts back will bring a huge upswing in The Key Player's Club.

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Excellent interview, Alex. Very informative.

Great article as always,Alex. Bud sounds excited and confident!

Good stuff.

Waited all the way til the end of the interview for Bud to mention that Facyson is healthy. Hope that is fully true.

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Bud sounds like he is fired up this year and ready to prove last year was the anomoly and not the norm. Bringing the LPD this year!!! GO Hokies!!

Gonna have to take the lunchpail from Cecilia first!! I don't think she is going to let it go easily.

When does summer practice officially start?

Does anyone know the August practice schedule?

August 4th

Glad Ladler is standing out. That's a talented guy that could have gone anywhere before the acl tear. Could definitely step up as a freshman corner if healthy

Double mentioning Ladler stood out to me as well, glad he is standing out. He could be the next great ballhawk if we are able to play him with eyes on the QB a little more.

we played about 70 percent man free

I don't think people understand the implications of this. Injuries and youth forced this hand, because our other option was to sit in some basic cover two/three or the like and let teams nickle and dime us down field and our offense wasn't good enough to get away with that. I cannot imagine how stressful last season was for Bud from a schematic and personnel standpoint.

Great article Alex, great content here!

I think you found the biggest chunk of info about our D last year. Good observation. That just makes so much sense now that Bud said it.

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Chris can you explain some?

Chris can correct me if I am wrong here...But losing CJ Revis, Kendall was huge as well as the other starters. It forced us to play a lot of youth where we were either not planning on having them play too many snaps or not at all. Players were having to rotate between corner, nickel, safety which are three different responsibilities. Ideally you'd have depth and corner, nickel corner, and safety so that you don't have to ask one guy to play three positions. In addition there is only a week to prepare for each game. So asking one player to learn CB and then the next week learn safety means that the formations can't get overly complicated or you have a high risk of blown coverage.

When you sit in a cover 2 or cover 3 you are only rushing 4-5 players and having 2 line backers drop into coverage (zone). This means we were likely not going to get any penetration in the run game. We saw last year how vulnerable we were to running even without a successful pass game. By running 70% man free it means it frees up players to rush the qb or defend the run. It also means putting the CB's on an island because the safety is expected (sometimes) to participate in that run defense. If your CB blows coverage then it is either a big gain or TD.

Bottom line is that is not how Bud wants to run his defense and it has to be so frustrating to know what you want your defense to do and what you can actually do based on two huge losses so late into the preparation for the season to start.

This sums it up well, additionally, playing that much man can open you up to more consistent/longer scrambles as there are more players downfield with their eyes away from the QB. The young secondary, which as mentioned was being shuffled around a good bit, could not be expected to handle more complicated and nuanced zone coverages, we at times had difficulty getting lined up correctly. To clarify, I like a lot of our leverage man, and I take pride in our secondary in their ability to play on an island over the last few seasons, but it would have been much better if we could have mixed it up and disguised some coverages.

To touch on what I meant with running a more conservative base cover 2/3 would be similar to what UNC did last year. They played most of season with two high safeties, which allowed teams to nickle and dime them downfield and find some success running the football with fewer bodies in the box. However, they attempted to take away the big plays over the top and in the run game by always having their safeties deep. I don't particularly like this, but when you can trust your offense to score you can afford to play like this, knowing you will likely give up some long drives/points, but also you will get stops because opponents would usually have to put together long drives, with less help from bigger plays, so there is more time to self-destruct or just fail to execute on a set of downs.

In regards to UNC, that is what I am hoping Fuente can change. I don't want to see us content to give up yardage because I am of the "not another yard" mentality. But now that we could potentially have an offense that can score or at least not go three and out several times in a row, I hope the defense will be better rested. And I hope they are more willing to take some risks, I think the past few seasons it has been hard to take big risks because the offense couldn't repay the favor.

On the surface that looks completely different from Bud's approach. Bud wants to force the QB to beat you with low percentage plays. Basically, counting on the QB not being an NFL type talent who can hurt you with precision passing and top-notch decision making. Take away the easy stuff and make them work for it.

Chizik says hey, sit back, let them take that easy stuff and make sure you tackle. We're not going to be burned. They're not all NFL level talents so they are bound to make a mistake eventually and as long as we limit our mistakes and keep them in front of us we'll be okay. Completely opposite.

But....they kind off feed of the same premise. They are defending offenses with young kids who are likely to make mistakes.

I think Chizik's method serves him well, not only because he has an offense to lean on, but also because it becomes increasingly difficult to score in the red-zone. When there is less field to defend the defense can tighten up. I'd generally be okay with letting teams kick field goals in lieu of giving up back-breaking 80 yard TD plays. But its so much more fun to watch an aggressive defense punish offenses.

Bud's style is much more entertaining but Chizik's might be the safer route so long as you have a reliable offense.

Onward and upward

Thanks for the explanation, guys. Seemed like the team had lots of potential last season
but losing those players made an impact. Maybe with a year of experience under their
belts these young DB's will make it a lot tougher for other teams this season.

Also, don't forget we were without Brewer for a good chunk of last season. If the offense could have extended more drives the defense could have been better rested in a lot of situations.

"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."

If we played about 70% man free, that's the defensive equivalent of an offense being made one-dimensional by taking away the run (or pass) game. Our D has thrived on this concept for years. Last year, OC's in the ACC figured out that they could make our D one-dimensional. With so much inexperience and injuries, we couldn't successfully hide coverages, modify them, or even execute them very well consistently. We depended on man free. Teams knew how to attack us based on our limitations.

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Nicely done. Enjoyable read.

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2. Isn't that illegal in Virginia?

2. Isn't that illegal in Virginia?

Only if you're paying the players.

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"All of a sudden" I'm feeling better about our defensive scheme. Good read.

Everything, from the size gains to Edmunds staying at backer after there were lots of rumors that he would be moved to defensive end seems to indicate a more base, gap sound Hokies front six this year.

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I imagine that is better for playing against mobile QBs?

I'd really like to see how we handle mobile QBs this year. UT will definitely be a challenge.

That actually made me think of a question. When we played Michigan in the Sugary Bowl (yes, Danny caught the ball) their QB couldn't run at all. Since then it seems like we have had issues with mobile QBs. Has the scheme changed? Is it a personnel issue? A bit of both?

French would surely be able to answer this better, but over the years we seem to have had defensive success against running QBs when the opposing scheme is predicated on the quarterback running (see: WVU back with Pat White and Denard Robinson at Michigan were both products of RichRod's scheme, as well as GT under CPJ. Bud could game plan against those strategies and we beat them consistently).

Those times we've dropped the ball, so to speak, is when an offense is not necessarily running the QB by design, but when plays break down and we lose contain (see: MD a few years back), Bud can't game plan against this, and it comes down to our athletes vs. their athletic QB, which hasn't gone in our favor.

Very true. Additionally, being forced into more man coverage makes it easier for QB's to break contain and break longer runs on scrambles.

Exactly. The "Bud can't stop mobile QBs" mantra has really come from the D being forced into constant, predictable man coverage (injuries/attrition to starters = youth & less scheme options). In man, the DB's can't look back for a scrambling QB. Especially problematic when the scramble isn't designed, so Bud doesn't have someone else in place with QB spy responsibilities. This leads to big, long scrambles downfield as already mentioned...

If Bud has a reliable experienced secondary allowing him to mix & disguise coverages like he did under his best defenses, then he will be back to giving OC's nightmares. VT still has the athleticism to play man and it's good to hear Bud confirm how talented those young DE's are. This roster is sooo talented, just have to get them snaps and let the best in the biz coach 'em up.

Short answer- if you can maintain contain and minimize the space between the defensive ends and defensive tackles, you can contain running quarterbacks (see Denard Robinson.) However, as long as Foster uses his linebackers in leverage coverage or man free, if the quarterback can break contain or too much space forms inside, unfortunately QBs will get some big plays. It is paramount to LIMIT those plays.

Here is an example and a tease for a future article- on this play, Motuapuaka is inside leverage on the slot tight end for UNC. If that tight end takes an inside release and runs up the seam (like he did on this play) there is nobody in the middle if the QB gets out of the pocket. Because of the spread, it becomes a numbers game UNLESS the Hokies can play true man to man five across- and despite perception, the Hokies play leverage man, not true man, across the field.

Here is an example. Motu has to run with the Y. Clarke has to go with the running back to the right flat. Dadi gets pushed behind the pocket, and suddenly there is a huge running lane. So, even in a "safe" scheme with 7 dropped into coverage, you have your mike in deep man to man against an athletic tight end and a huge running lane where even 3rd and 10 can be gained.

A great example was the Matt Ryan ACC championship game. Many may have forgotten but Ryan got a ton of rushing yards on broken plays, and he wasn't exactly Tommie Frazier. When Chris Ellis started bull rushing to tighten the pocket, Ryan's effectiveness took a big dip in the second half.

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Many may have forgotten but Ryan got a ton of rushing yards on broken plays

not forgotten, just repressed.

Every time I hear "repressed" this pops into my brain.

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great reference... sadly, and I am not too ashamed to admit it, that my daughter has supplanted that reference for this one:

I'm right there with you pal. It's been temporarily supplanted with Zootopia which has my kids running around arresting the dogs.

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Seriously...now to figure out a way to convince my wife that flying to China with a 4 and 6 year old is a good idea...

At least you get to be Nick and not Gazelle.

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fortunately I actually quite like it

Not alone there, I quite enjoyed it. Definitely a lot better than Secret Life of Pets, that was.....not good, even just looking at it as a kid's movie. Characters weren't developed to a point that you could really like/identify with any of them. But I don't know what I was expecting for a movie where I saw at least 5 minions before the short even ran

Man, my buddy on the West side texted me with about 3min left and said "meet me at half field?" Against better judgement I made my way down the East side stairs and joined a group of fans packing the lower rows, getting ready to rush the field. It was eery how silent that final 2:11 was down there.... Ahhh

I believe you're referencing the wrong BC game. French was talking about the ACCCG where we won. Not the game which must not be named.

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Ohhhh yep. Temporary insanity perhaps

correct. chris ellis went ham

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With a base, gap-sound d-line, I am hopeful we will contain the opposing o-line, hbs, and qb like fish as illustrated in this fishing pic

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Short answer

so what does the long answer look like?

Onward and upward

Probably gonna be a blog post in a few weeks.

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And no mention of Settle (I guess there is no history so there's that). I hope he's our secret D-line weapon.
I agree with much of what's been said on TKP over this summer that his "twitchiness", quickness (yes to me those are different "things"), and size should be able to tie up more than one blocker allowing our DEs to be more productive.
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No DT talk at all. That's a spot that seems to be on the low. Lots about Baron but not much more, hardly anything on Williams at all. The novelty of Settle probably has some to do with the lack of coverage at that position as a group.

Really? DT seems like our deepest position on defense and maybe even the team.

Woody Baron, Nigel Williams, Walker (he could have a big impact this year), Settle, and Sobcyzzalckzuckys

I always worry about Williams. He has been a VERY slow starter the last two years and then was terrific during the last four games. By the opening of the season last year, Baron had passed him by as the top back up (remember, Williams got All-ACC Honorable Mention as a R-Soph) and Sobczak was pressing him for the 4th DT spot. By the end of the season, he was better than Maddy.

Williams needs to come into camp playing his absolute best because I think Walker, Sobczak and Settle will all push for that spot.

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Yeah maybe why not a lot of buzz on Williams. I think Settle and SS play that position while Baron and Walker play the other.

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Let's minimize big plays, get off the field on 3rd down and let Fuente's offense do their work.

I think the guy I'm most excited about next season isn't Ford, or Bucky, or the QB, it's Hill. I think that kid is gonna contribute a whole lot at DE.

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So just the ones where she's hot. Same thing.

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Three key takeaways:

1. Nicolas was inconsistent. Speed does not matter if you don't use it properly. Foster is looking for stability. People use the injured hands excuse a lot. The bowl game against UCLA showed some tendencies in which Nicolas would lose containment, rush past the QB, or not get there. We may not have the speed, but if we do contain, do have discipline... Hard with you ones but...

2. We were not able to do some things with Deon Newsome......

3. Injuries in the CB

Deon Clarke, not Newsome.

Couldn't even get himself lined up.

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Change is good after that last couple years. I like the concept of adjusting the scheme to your players than players to your scheme. Here's to hoping it works

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I like how it sounds as though he is embracing a move to larger defensive ends.

This times a million

Agree. I was always perplexed by playing guys at end who weigh 220 and moving guys to DT once they eclipse 240.

Ever since the 2011 season Bud had talked about how spread teams are forcing him to play smaller guys up front to keep up. Now it seems he's backtracking after poor gap integrity during recent years.

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At least if we play more zone we can get a reprieve from people complaining about not spotting the ball in man coverage.

Bud listing all the talent at DE and DB, and not even getting into the depth at the DT position is why there is no reason for doomsday behavior if we miss a DL recruit in this cycle. 2015 class loaded up on DE's with Hill and Fullwood both 4-stars on a service, Gaines highly regarded (some said best of the class) and then landing Jimmie Taylor in 2016 who had an offer from Harbaugh.

Jaquan Bailey wouldn't have seen the field anytime soon, and even if we miss our top DE/DT in 2017 we have time to correct it. The cupboard is far from bare as Bud said, and all these guys are young. Similar situation with the DB's it sounds like although we need Hunter imo. There's no need to meltdown over DL recruiting misses until the 2018 cycle, and that would signal bigger problems anyway. We all trust this staff as development goes... any recruiting pessimism is a little early imho.