8-1 and Unhappy: Initial Reactions from Durham

I just returned home from a weekend in the North Carolina Triangle. This was my second game down at Duke, and both have been causes of anxiety that I didn't anticipate upon arrival.

I can say, Wallace Wade certainly gives a unique opportunity for Hokie fans to see their team up close. My tickets were literally in the first row of section 12, along the Hokie sideline in the end zone. We had a great view of Josh Oglesby's 2nd quarter touchdown run, and most of the 4th quarter was played right in front of us. Sadly, much of the first half was played at the other end of the field, and in the 3rd quarter, the jackasses at the "ACC Network" put their on field boom right in front of us, and our screams of "we paid for these tickets <expletive deleted>" didn't seem to move the producers.

Again, the same themes emerged, good and bad. Because I had a poor angle for parts of the game, so I will withhold full analysis until I watch the replay.

Offensive Identity

This performance really highlighted the same offensive issues I have harped upon all year. The first half featured an excellent mix of run and pass, mostly under center with the Hokies using the I and single back. The Hokies effectively ran the ball and used play action, but the old bugaboos reared their head. First, running in short yardage was a challenge (more on that in a minute, as TheKeyPlay did a terrific job of breaking down a second half play.) Second, the Hokies repeatedly got ahead of the sticks, allowing for 2nd and short plays where they did not take advantage, and third, they were careless with the football (see evaluation.) Also, the Hokies (from my vantage point) seemed MUCH more successful running straight ahead out of those sets, with the occasional stretch play, but at least one stretch play a series put them behind the sticks because Duke's penetration put them in an awkward down and distance. Nevertheless, I was confident at the half that the Hokies had a gameplan and the athletes to put the ball in the endzone. Then, O'Cainspring struck.

After only featuring the shotgun on passing downs in the first half, the Hokies came out and ran their zone-read series exclusively the first two series of the second half. When they lined up for shotgun on the first play, I made a snide remark to one of my buddies about how the Hokies again were getting away from something that was working. I am fine with using the shotgun package, but why run that as your base offense for two series after you didn't run it the whole game? PICK SOMETHING AND GET GOOD AT IT. Those two short posessions changed the momentum of the game, and the Hokie offense never really recovered their rythmn. Also, the second half featured much more shotgun and wide zone stretch plays and sweeps. The quick hitting dives and power plays which were effective in the 2nd half of the BC game and seemed to be working in the first half were gone. The I formation and split pro gave way to numerous variations of the bubble screen, which Duke was keyed on taking away. Even worse, the Hokies again didn't take advantage of numerous 2nd and 3rd in shorts. I love David Wilson's effort, but on short yardage, get upfield. He is too hard to tackle to keep trying to bounce plays when he needs 2 and can get three by hitting the hole hard. At the same time, the offensive line is better coming off the ball rather than moving laterally.

Also, how many zone plays (stretch plays where the Hokies did not pull a guard) had HUGE holes backside, but Wilson seems incapable of planting his outside foot and hitting the backside gap. Such fundamentals are a staple of the stretch zone offense, and Duke's best running plays featured such reads and cutbacks. I will use my film study to better evaluate the OL, but it sure looked like the holes were there often and not taken advantage of.

Quarterbacking/Passing Game

Logan regressed a bit this game. The first interception was a complete misread. He didn't see the safety, and even if the safety was in the porta-potty taking a dump, the pass would have hit the Duke corner in his stomach. The second pick was a TERRIFIC playcall, and Randall Dunn was wide open, but Logan (as he did numerous times early in the year) seemed to try to arch the deepball rather than lead the receiver and he threw it short. Dunn didn't help him out by doing a weak impression of a defensive back on the short throw. Logan had some VERY impressive throws in the first half, but his confidence wavered in the second half. He held onto the ball a long time, and ran several times when guys were open. He also didn't stretch the field as much. It wasn't as bad as East Carolina, but it had similarities. I couldn't tell how much his receivers were helping him, but guys were open and made plays in the first half. Also, he has to protect the football. The last offensive play of the half was horrible by Beamer, and worse in execution by Logan. The Hokies are lucky that they play didn't cost them the game.

Chris Drager continues to immerge as a weapon. Danny Coale vanished after his big catch, so I wonder if the injury impacted him. Boykin was ok, but he received most of the attention by the Duke secondary. Marcus Davis wasn't targeted, nor was DJ Coles. Logan has to get them involved, especially Coles.

Special Teams

Even when the Hokies offense was rolling, the special teams put them in bad situations all game. We have focused on the poor punting (again terrible) and erratic placekicking, but the coverage teams have been below average this season, and the return teams have been abysmal. I can't remember a Hokie team worse on kickoff returns, which is even more vexing given that the kickoff return team was terrific last year. I have often defended Beamer's effort to focus on setting up returns for Jayron Hosley, but ACC opponents have circumvented Hosley through rugby style and directional kicking. How long has it been since they blocked a kick in a meaningful game? I don't see that ace, that electric effort on the special teams that we have seen in the past.

Defense

The Duke offense, when properly quarterbacked, is a difficult offense for the Hokies to deal with. The Duke offense picked on the Hokies man coverage, especially Eddie Whitley and Jayron Hosley, the entire game. Hosley looked uncomfortable and was turned inside out by Vernon over and over again, and he got away with 3 additional pass interference calls where he grabbed at the Duke player's thighpads. Whitley has really struggled over the last couple of weeks. You should expect more from a 4 year starter. I thought Exum was excellent, Hill was solid, and Kyle Fuller was tremendous. The hit on Renfree to stop the last serious Duke threat was probably the easiest play Fuller made all day except that it was in such a big spot. Fuller isn't quite the same level of cover guy, but he has a bit of Brandon Flowers in him.

The front seven really left me scratching my head. I thought Luther Maddy played well, but this time Corey Marshall barely got on the field, even on passing downs the Hokies went with the ineffective 50 look (which for whatever reason doesn't seem to have much blitzing.) I believe Marshall got two series and Hamlette got one. DHop seemed to struggle from my angle. It seemed like he lost gap control on several of the better Duke runs. JR Collins got more pass rush this game with Gayle back, but he also has been burned on the same zone cutback play that he was an absolute ace on earlier this season. James Gayle was an upgrade over Tyrell Wilson, but he still isn't getting pressure (and hasn't gotten much besides Clemson, Marshall, and Appy State.) The Hokies don't blitz as effectively with Rivers, who dropped back into zones much more than Taylor. Edwards doesn't seem to be sent as much, and he again was good when unblocked and struggled when blocked.

I noticed very little of the backups, but I constantly wondered why there was almost no DL rotation.

Humorous Observations

The crowd was 50% Hokie, if not more.

The Duke band warmed up in frontĀ of usĀ before the half. That was almost worth the price admission. If the chants, rampant acne, and sheer nerdiness were not hilarity personified, having the acroynm "Duke University Marching Band" (DUMB) took the taco.

I need to figure out a way to do a Hokies NC State followed by a Hurricanes game doubleheader. Hitting up the Canes vs the Blackhawks game the night before softened some of the sour taste the next day.

Duke's team wasn't that bad. If they had any way of getting a higher quality of athletes, their coaching staff could get them to do some damage in the ACC. They had the same trouble finishing drives that VT did, but they were VERY well prepared and they picked on the same Hokie weaknesses that we have been observing. Miami and BC didn't.

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Comments

We got to get better!

I love how you tell it like it is. I was posting a comment at ESPN. We must have alot of delusional hokie fans on there, because I dont see what they see. This past saturday I was disgusted at the way VTech played against Duke. I know this is a re-building year, but its been awhile since VT blew out teams like back in the Vick era. I remember when Vick played we beat teams by 30-40 points. This year or for some odd reason the past few years we have been winning close games to teams that were no doubt better than.

I guess Im just frustrated! I want to see Vtech back in another National Championship game

I dunno, man

The Hokies are still talented enough to beat Duke whilst yawning; kind-of like holding someone who's trying to punch you at arm's length and laughing at them. Solid play; maybe not explosive and elite, like last year, but solid. Duke's got a good staff, but like you said, you need the players to match it. They don't have it. Certainly, you never take anyone for granted (as UVA and VT learned in 2009 and 2010, respectively, of course), but... hmm.

I think that's the key for VT this year, though. Last year, you could afford to make a few mistakes and still win out against top-line teams. This year, even little mistakes can end up costing a lot. See, like, UVA, in my humble opinion, is a dangerous team this year- but only if they play flawless, A+ games and have a few breaks go there way, like the other team committing a stupid penalty. They couldn't win against Duke (or Southern Miss, NCState, and barely against Idaho) by doing what you guys did versus Duke.

As long as Logan Thomas continues to make smart reads and doesn't unleash the dagron ala Sexy Rexy Grossman, David Wilson continues to be David Wilson, and the defense keeps things nice and tight, I think you guys'll win out the rest of the season, head to the ACCCG for a rematch with Clemson, and then onto the Orange Bowl again. I don't know that you have any structural deficits that are insurmountable, nothing Frank Beamer can't coach around, anyhow.

ACCCG chances.... I don't see it this year..

As much as I love having Bud Foster on our side, I just can not imagine us shutting down (...controlling even) CPJ's option.

We'll be hearing over the next week and a half about the VT's scout team, meetings with other defense coordinators, etc... yet, come Nov 10th we'll all be on the edge of our seat looking for us to stop GT on 3rd and 3 only to see them run for another 12 yards (and keep another 7 minute drive going).

Four or five 3&out's against GT and you can kiss goodbye most of the first half of the game.

Got to get better not only for GT but for the rest of the season

I sure do hope jayron tackles better then he did in the Duke game, his play hasnt been the same I say we move him back to Field corner and put Fuller in as the Boundary. I think Roc Carmichael covered up alot of his weaknesses last year

I don't get it..

First, a lot of Tech fans need to understand one big thing and that is every team plays better against us then they do over the rest of the ACC. When Michael Vick was a freshman and lighting up the football world, it was Miami that everyone circled on the calendar. On top of it, he was one of the most exciting players in the history of college football. If you are waiting for that to return, maybe you should quit watching football because the chance we have that again is highly unlikely.

Also, in 1999, we almost lost to a team that went 4-7 and needed a time-expiring field goal to win. In 2000, we had a very flat game against Syracuse as we looked ahead to a stretch against a one-loss Pitt team and a trip to #3 ranked Miami. It happens when you are dealing with 20 year old kids.

Regarding Logan's first INT, 90% of the blame should go to Marcus Davis. His route was bad and his effort was even worse. I bet after you watch the game you will think the same. And what do you mean Marcus Davis wasn't targeted? He had the same number of catches as Danny Coale. In my opinion, Davis played extremely poor in this game and maybe should have seen less time. His horrible block on the Boykin screen pass is why his talent gets overlooked by his inability to do the little things.

I disagree that Logan regressed -I just think he had an average day and that's what to expect from a first year starter. Earlier in the season some people on this site wanted Logan moved to TE and Leal to be handed the ball. That thought was crazy then and I expect those fans have changed their tune. Expecting Logan to be senior year Tyrod is unfair to Logan and somewhat ignorant as a fan. Logan has played well compared to most QBs through the same stage. After Vick left, I sat through some bad games with Grant Noel as the QB. Logan already has surpassed Noel's season numbers from 2001 and this team has equaled the wins Noel deliverd that year as well. We should all be more thankful we have a solid QB of the future rather than nitpick every motion he makes. He is good and will continue to be good. Let's be a little more patient.

One last thing regarding the opponent. Duke lost to Stanford 44-14 this year. We lost to them 40-12 in the Orange Bowl....

Read before you type!

Hokie guy, your an idiot, I love how you take everything I mentioned out of context. Im going to be real here with you, Michael Vick was one of the most exciting football players ever....WE KNOW THIS!!!!!!!!!! Last time I checked Michael Vick didnt play defense. The bottom line is we lost our passion on defense as well as offense I dont see it anymore. If we wont to claim elite status or be elite we shouldnt be Duke 10-14. And yes your a genius we both got blowed out by stanford it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that. Im tired of watching games where Tech struggles against subpar talent. We have a bad bowl game record, and were like 1-27 against top teams in the nation, something has to give. When are we going to wake up and play like were the number one team in the Nation? Yes Marcus Davis made plenty of mistakes, but he is not the only one to point a finger at. If thats the case what about Danny Coales drop that should have been caught, but almost turned into another interception? And Boykins drops a big pass every week? And I understand also that LT is young which is why I said were in a re-building year you dummy!

Personal Attacks

Don't make them.

Adults have adult conversations.. children call each other names

I don't know how I could take 5-6 sentences out of context but if that's what you think then so be it. Let's take a few of your words and correct them. You said it has been a long time since we blew out a team like we did in the MV7 era. That is incorrect. We scored the most points under Beamer this year with 66. You are correct, we did have a larger margain of victory in '99 but did not in 2000. In '99 we had a very good defense led by the best defensive player in the nation. That year will be tough for this current defense or any defense to duplicate. However, the second year of Vick actually had a defense that played below this years. In 2000, the defense gave up 323 yards per game while this #15th ranked defense is given up 298. I am just giving you statistics to back up some of my claims and wish you would do the same.

Regarding 1-27 against top teams (and I don't know what you mean by top teams) , you are again wrong. I have put these numbers up before but here they are for you. Since 1995, we have the #11 winning percentage in the nation over Top 5 teams, #8 vs top 15 and #5 vs. top 25. Overall, these are very good numbers. Since 1995, we have played 6 national champions and the hardest opponent win percentage vs the top 5 of any team in the Top 40 so our record vs the top 5 looks a little better if you take them out.

On to the WRs. This season, I have been very critical of the WRs and have posted on this topic several times.

In regards to your name-calling. I assume we both attended and graduated from the same wonderful university. I would think you would hold that institution higher than allowing an "idiot" and a "dummy" to be accepted.

Wow good statistics

Of course I'd seen the numbers against top five teams that Heather Dinich and ESPN loved to bring up, but I've never seen them ranked against other teams over that time. Those numbers def make me feel a little differently, thanks!

Also, I agree that one position (WRs) that should have been a strenght, has been a bit of a let down, aside from Always Open.

I know

It's amazing how networks like ESPN post our record versus top 5 teams and show how many losses to wins we have. Every team has a poor record with Florida having the best at .36. Only 40 teams even have a win! Against year-end top 5, we have the same number of wins as USC, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Nebraska and a better winning percentage then all of them! Also, I need to update our game ranked position to #4 versus the top 25 behind only Ohio St, USC and Oklahoma because those numbers are from last year.

Thanks so much!

Is there any way you can post who we've beaten? Id love to see it. A guy at my work tries to troll me every day saying we dont schedule or beat anyone. I only know of few instances but would like more numbers.

I believe...

and this is in the year-end rankings, the wins are against #3 Miami and #5 WVU. Tell your co-worker that we scheduled Alabama, LSU and USC all in the year they won their National Championships.

Hokiefan4life....Defense?

That defense that you say lost passion caused 4 turnovers and really shouldn't even receive full-blame for the touchdown as it occurred after another shanked punt. Oh and by the way, Hosley, who you criticized so much, was named a Thorpe award semifinalist today. Guess the nominations committee missed the Duke game....

Hosley has been very good in coverage all year. He wasn't yesterday.

I don't know how to evaluate the defense yesterday. They appeared to be solid from an assignment perspective, but they didn't look dominant. I thought Fuller, Maddy, and Rivers had excellent games. Collins had some nice pass rush pressure, but he was not as sharp shutting down the backside on Duke's zone-read series (ditto for my guy Derrick Hopkins, who got blown up on the Duke TD run.) Gayle struggled and clearly wasn't 100%, yet the backup defense ends didn't do enough to give the kid a rest.

I am thrilled for Rivers. He is limited, but you hate seeing a guy who gave so much to the program go out only playing in blowouts. Taylor is certainly a better player, but I hope Rivers can really go out with a bang.

Georgia Tech presents a new challenge. Traditionally, the Hokies have been able to shut down the Yellow Jacket dives, but have struggled giving up 3-5 yard chunks to the QBs. This is a byproduct of the Hokie strategy for the free safety to have QB on option, while the whip and backer take the pitch. It basically guarentees a 3 yard run if the QB keeps. Hopefully the Hokies mix it up, but it could be tough with Dew out there. I wouldn't be stunned if Fuller plays more snaps than Dew again despite the wishbone. He will also help against the quick pitch, which gave Clemson fits and has troubled the Hokies in the past.

Fuller, Edwards, Whitley (who stunk on Saturday) and Exum must have huge games against Georgia Tech, and the two defensive tackles must take away the dive. John Graves EXCELLED in that role (his best two games were against GT.) Hopkins, Marshall, and Maddy are very different DTs, so that will be interesting to watch.

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Agreed

I think it's great to see Rivers out there and that pick to seal the game was clutch.

And I think your point about Gayle could apply to Hosley as well. I would not be surprised if his hamstring is still not giving him some trouble and hopefully the week off this week will help.

From a non-football playing (but well versed) football fan perspective I think playing against GT's offense is all about discipline and gap positioning. I am also a little concerned because I saw a lack of those elements Saturday. There was some really poor tackling and I saw on a few occasions DBs taking what looked to be the wrong gap and leaving holes on the outside. Fuller will have a huge game I feel because he is a great open-field tackler and impresses me more every game with what I see as very few mistakes.

Regarding your comments on Logan Thomas, I am sure you will recall that I have noted in almost every column I have written that I believe Logan Thomas will be the best passing QB we have seen at Virginia Tech in a long, long time (perhaps going back to Don Strock.) I have also noted that Logan has a steep learning curve, as based on what I have seen, he has been given significantly more responsibility for changing plays at the line and pass pro than any Hokie QB since Jim Drunkenmiller.

With a young quarterback, especially one who has the physical tools but who is lacking game experience in the position, you look each week for growth. Minus one horrible throw against BC, we have seen Logan eliminate many of his mistakes from earlier in the year, namely poor downfield vision, indecisiveness, and poor mechanics. Lets examine the two interceptions.

On the first interception, the Duke safety was playing a robber coverage in an attempt to bait Thomas to throw the slant. It was almost an identical set up to the Hokie coverage that victimized UNC QB Joe Dailey several years ago. Yes, I agree that Marcus Davis gave a very poor effort to beat his man to the inside, but even if Davis beats his guy cleanly, the Duke safety steps in front of that pass and intercepts the ball. Logan was not under pressure, yet even though Davis did not beat his man, Logan didn't look anywhere else on the field (again, from my vantage point at ground level in the opposite end zone.) Yes, he is young, and yes he will make mistakes, but he has to learn from them.

On the second interception, he had a receiver wide open, and he tried to loft the ball instead of leading his receiver. He did this several times against Arkansas State, where he arched his back and threw a jump ball fade even though his guy was cleanly open. He again wasn't under pressure. If he hits Dunn in stride, the Hokies route Duke. That put them back in the ball game. Both cases we saw repeats of mistakes that Logan made earlier in the season that he did not make in the last 3 outings. That, by definition is regression. I think, and expect, Logan to have a better performance against Georgia Tech. He is capable but must be focused.

I agree whole-heartedly that Coles should be getting touches over Davis, and I have said it all season. Davis has taken a major step backwards this season.

Hokie OL graded out over 90% today. I am not sure how to react to that

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I think you both

are putting too much emphasis on QB vs. WR. On both interceptions, Logan or the receiver could have prevented the interception.

On the first pick, Logan should have recognized the safety and not thrown it. Likewise, Marcus should have completed his route and at least knocked the ball down. So both are responsible for the interception.

On the second pick, Logan made a good decision by throwing to one-on-one coverage, but his pass was a little behind Dunn. However, Dunn HAS to try and come back to the ball and make the play.

Both interceptions are the fault of inexperience on the field. In all reality, it was good on the field learning for all three, so they don't repeat the mistakes against better teams.

The game was terrible, but with the GT dismantling of Clemson along with VT's lackluster performance, VT should be really focused this bye week. Timing is everything... Now, can they put it together and execute?

On the first INT

If Marcus Davis finishes his route the safety cannot intercept that pass because in finishing the route MD7 would be standing between the safety and the ball. LT threw that ball where only his receiver could catch it. The only problem was when the ball arrived his receiver wasn't where he was supposed to be.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Theme of the year

PICK SOMETHING AND GET GOOD AT IT.

Thank you.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg! Tyrod did it, Mikey! Tyrod did it!"

I might be wrong, but...

...didn't we switch into LT under center after his first INT as a knee jerk conservative reaction as tend to do? Shotgun three wide has kind of become our base package, and I assumed that's because it's what LT ran in high school.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

I may be wrong, but I can't recall them running the zone read from the shotgun the entire first half. Every play in shotgun (not many) in the first half was pass pro. They were effective out of I and one back, and stayed in that package most of the first half. Logan has been suprisingly good under center, especially with play action. He made the right throw to Dunn, but it was a poor throw as result of a mental decision (to arc the ball) versus a physical limitation.

The second half, they ran shotgun/zone read series the full first two series and failed to execute. Those two short series coupled with the Dunn play were the biggest momentum changes.

Again, I really need to see the video to be sure on my analysis. Watching the game live really limits your ability to see what is happening in full context.

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After rewatching the game, you're right.

We came out in the shotgun for the first play and then went immediately to LT under center, before the first INT was thrown. And as I was watching the game I was thinking we were seeing a lot more I and Ace than we have seen the last few weeks. I assumed it was because we went to that after the two early picks from LT, sort of Beamer circling the wagons as he is wont to do, but after a second viewing it's pretty apparently MOC was trying to throw a lot more under-center formations at Duke. Was this something he saw in Duke's D that he thought he could exploit, or was it trying to give Georgia Tech a little wrinkle in their film study this week? Who knows.

The second series of the second half, though, was our second longest yardage drive of the half (34 yards) and ate just short of five minutes of clock. I don't know if you can really say we failed to execute on that drive, DW just got stuffed on a makeable 3rd and 2.

And we did run the zone read three times in the first half. David Wilson nearly scored our first touchdown of the game on that play, and the first two plays of our fifth possession were zone reads, both for nice gains.

I'm with you. I CANNOT review a game after watching it live. I have to see it on film first. When I watch a game live, and even the first time I watch it on TV, my eyes are following the ball exclusively.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

thanks for the feedback. It really is tough to get a feel for the game. The eyes always gravitate towards the ball, coupled with entertaining friends.

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What about?

DW's fumble when no one touched him? He had a first down and more until the ball flew out for no reason, then rolled out of bounds. Instead of 148 yds he should have had at least 170. All I can say is there wre too many mistakes. Dumb penalties, poor execution, missed tackles, bad punts. They all added up to fewer points for our offense.

I think the time off helps us more than GT. Their offense requires timing, which I think they will lose during the time off. We will get some well needed rest and more practice against their option O. Clemson D is not that good. Currently #93 rusing defense and #57 scoring D. They give up a lot more points and rushing yards then VT, #7 rushing D and #8 scoring D. We are pretty good at time of possession, 6th in the nation, almost 2 minutes more than GT.

My biggest concerns are penalties (we commit more) and special teams. Field position is important and the punting game could hurt us, except for one thing. If we give GT a short field then they can't eat as much clock before they either attempt a field goal or score a TD. If we use more clock and also score we should win. It is basically a toss-up so the unexpected turnover, big play, or mistakes will decide the game.

We need to stay focused and execute well.

#Let's Go - Hokies

Marcus Davis..

...should not be seeing the field as much as he is. His effort blocking downfield is awful, and he has really bad hands. I remember last year the coaches were concerned over his ball-skills, so they forced him to catch passes with tennis balls strapped to his hands. Clearly the coaches knew it was a concern then, and it still should be because he really doesn't catch the ball well. There is no chance he catches that ball Boykin caught on the post. It's rare to see him catch a ball away from his body, and when he does, he often juggles it. DJ Coles should be getting his snaps and be targeted more - great hands, powerful runner, moves great in space, and is probably the best downfield blocker behind Coale.

Sorry folks for the lack of follow up, but I have not been able to get a copy of the game film yet this week.

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Film

I know Phreak is still looking for a copy, his DVR screwed up the recording.