I found this tweet last night, and thought it would be a good resource when we start arguing about which bowl the Hokies are likely to play in.
The 2017-18 ACC Bowl Selection Process: #ACCKickoff pic.twitter.com/wYycBmIwIS— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) July 13, 2017
Since it's a bit small...
1.) CFP (if ACC teams are selected) - Rose and Sugar Bowls
2.) Orange Bowl - ACC champ or highest ranked team not selected for CFP
3.) New Year's Six - Peach, Fiesta, and Cotton Bowls
4.) if the Big Ten plays in the Orange Bowl - Citrus Bowl
5.) Camping World Bowl (formerly Russell Athletic Bowl)
6.) Tier 1 (equal selection) - Belk, Sun, and Pinstripe Bowls, plus Taxslayer or Music City Bowl
7.) Tier 2: Military Bowl
8.) Tier 2: Independence Bowl
9.) Tier 2: Quick Lane Bowl
10.) If the ACC still has bowl eligible teams but other conferences don't - St. Petersburg Gasparilla and Birmingham Bowls
Overall, the only difference from last year is that the RAB and St. Pete changed its name.
Comments
We should be at least aiming for the New Year's Six
I think that seems rather unlikely. A 9-3 VT team probably won't get picked.
Right now we're the consensus third best team in the ACC, and would hold that if we're 9-3. Right now it's looking like we have one ACC team in the playoffs, one in the Orange bowl, and one in the Peach Bowl. So yes it's still very possible, and maybe even "possible" to go to the Orange if somehow both Miami and Clemson make the playoffs.
True, I'm skeptical though. It was a good thing for us I guess that NC State lost last night.
First, that original post was made before the season started.
Second, how do you figure that the ACC has a team going to the Peach Bowl? That ship sailed after all of the ACC teams other than the division champs fell out of the top 15. If you want an at-large spot in the NY6, you need to be in the top 11, or maybe even higher.
Tech's only shot at the NY6 is that very slim chance at the Orange Bowl.
Agree, Come on Let's get the New Years six
Already booked my tickets to Pasadena. Never been to the Rose Bowl, should be fun.
Right comment, wrong thread?
I think you may be a bit lost here. The cheese on apple pie thread is that way. ----->
Yes, you can eat pie in a bowl, but not these kind of bowls.
+1 for The Campaign gif. Underrated movie
Man, the ACC has terrible bowl tie-ins. The bowl tie-ins and the missing the boat on the ACC Network are two things I will never forgive Swofford for. He has totally failed in those areas.
Nonsense...the Sun Bowl tie-in has been a tremendous success for the conference /s
Looking at what the other conferences have, I don't see where the ACC is worse off than other conferences. There's only so many bowls that can be "good" or "prestigious", and when you're already down to the fifth team in your conference, there's not a lot of wiggle room.
I mean, I agree that the ACC shouldn't be in the Sun Bowl, because it's a rather extreme outlier. And it didn't help that we lost the CFA/Peach Bowl to the New Year's Six. The RAB/Camping World Bowl just doesn't have the prestige.
And this year, as long as there's enough teams from the other conferences to fill their spots, all of our bowls except for the Military Bowl are against power 5 teams.
Agreed.
The only other bowl game I imagine that the ACC would be somewhat interested in is the New Orleans Bowl. They'd have to up their level for it to be of any real value though. Another issue is that it's not really in the footprint, so it really is a better fit for the Sun Belt.
I think the bowl landscape is going to get very interesting in the next 5 years though. I wouldn't be shocked to see places like Minneapolis, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles get bowls so that those venues get another day of use. As sad as it might be to see a little bit more college football history go by the wayside, it's hard to see how bowl games in El Paso, Shreveport or Mobile can compete.
I get Minneapolis has a dome, but a bowl game there does not seem like much of a prize
Hey Fish get your bourbon and beenie weenies:
Losing the Gator/Taxslayer as an ACC guaranteed bowl wasn't ideal. Granted, Jax isn't a premier destination, but it is Florida, not difficult to get to, and more prestigious than all the Tier 1 bowls.
How does the ACC get this bowl? Has any ACC team gone recently?
Edit: My bad, just realized GT went last year. I guess the ACC agreed in 2015 to a 6-year term to have 3 bowls with an ACC or ND representative. The other 3 years are B1G.
Still kinda sucks.
Technically, it's still a tier 1 bowl. The problem is we have that split deal where we share the spot with another conference. That, and the bowl really lost its prestige when it gave up the Gator name.
At least when the Peach Bowl turned into the Chick-fil-a Bowl, they positioned it on the New Year's Eve spot, and boosted it with the #2 ACC team. Plus, at the time, that team was usually on par with the #5 SEC team, so it made for some decent matchups. So, it sucked that they took away the name, but at least the games (and sponsor's food) were good.
It has since changed to "Chick-fil-a Peach Bowl". Still a sponsor in the name, but back to having "Peach" there which helps retain the prestige.
Actually, getting added to the New Year's Six (which necessitated the return of "Peach") is what gave it its current prestige.
Honestly, having it as Chick-Fil-A kept its prestige. Those spicy chicken biscuits...i mean...come on
You must not have visited Jacksonville. We have awesome beaches, golf courses, NFL stadium, thriving craft brewery and restaurant scene. It is a premier destination.
I live in Jax. Wondering which beaches qualify as "awesome."
The state parks have nice beaches in AB and St. Aug. Otherwise...eh. The highlight of Jax Beach is that there are bars a mere 20 feet from the sand.
You have a point with Hanna Park and St. John's County. Jax Beach is absolute trash unless your only goal is to get absolutely trashed.
FTFY.
Never cared much for the bars in Jax Beach/Atlantic Beach. Lemon Bar was ok.
Which bowls/locations would you prefer? Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, New York City are all good locations for bowls. Yeah, El Paso and Shreveport suck, but the conference wasn't that good and didn't have much to negotiate with when these bowl deals were made.
Detroit sucks, Birmingham sucks, El Paso sucks, Shreveport sucks. Bowls should be in destination cities like NYC or in warm fun states like FL.
or the Skyline Chili bowl right here in Cincy! The name works so well. I always thought if two teams are 0-?? someone should host a toilet bowl and give them the chance to get a win. Not sure how many teams would participate, but at least UVa could have something to do around the holidays.
Okay, then where would you like to see a bowl game where there's not one already?
Las Vegas. Ya I know they already have a game but once they finish their NFL stadium they need to be in the NY6 rotation. Vegas for New Year's would be ultimate.
Edit: Whoops - meant to be a response to Fireman's post
Does city have to have an NFL stadium? Or would one the size of existing bowl games such as Birmingham do?
I don't think there's a lot of rules regarding where a bowl game can be played.
I meant in your hypothetical question.
With no rules here is a list of cities I would like to see bowl games in(no order): Charleston, Memphis, Nashville, Savannah/Hilton Head area, Daytona, Miami, Austin, Houston, New Orleans, Panama City, St. Petersburg, Tampa, Bermuda, Bahamas, Puerto Rico.
Eight of those locations already have bowls, some more than one (Memphis, Nashville, Miami, Houston, New Orleans, St. Pete, Tampa, and Bahamas). The ACC has tie-ins to two of them (Music City Bowl in Nashville and Orange Bowl in Miami), with a conditional deal to a third (St. Pete). Bowls in Austin and Charleston have been proposed.
We have tie ins with some but they are low on the picking order, part time bowls for others. Some of the cities have bowl games but no ACC ties. Instead we have shithole bowl locations like Detroit, El Paso, Birmingham, Shreveport YEAAAA.
Other than El Paso, all of the other bowls are at the bottom of the list. In other words, if you're going to a bowl in those cities, shut up and enjoy the fact that you're in a bowl game.
The actual pecking order of ACC bowl cities:
1.) Miami
2.) Orlando
3-6.) Charlotte/NYC/El Paso/Nashville or Jacksonville
7.) Shreveport
8.) Annapolis
9.) Detroit
10.) St. Pete (conditional)
11.) Birmingham (conditional)
Yet none P5 schools have some better bowl locations. The ACC needs to do better.
Okay, so what currently existing non-ACC bowl should the ACC try to make a deal with?
The only "good" bowls I see that we don't have a piece of is the Outback Bowl (SEC vs. B1G in Tampa) or Liberty Bowl (SEC vs Big 12 in Memphis). Most of the rest of the bowls are either low-tier or way out west.
Define low tier? For me I don't care what history is I care about location of bowl game for taking a trip to. I'd rather see the team in a 25,000 seat stadium in the Bahamas than a 81,000 seat Detroit.
Low tier can refer to low payout, bad location, bad date, or historically has been relegated to 6-6 teams.
Also bowls are in tiers now not order.
Really, only tier 1 is a nebulous group.
For tier 2, we still have to fill them in the order of Independence, Military, and Quick Lane. Probably due to not always having enough bowl eligible teams.
Destination bowls are for winners.
Sprinkles are for winners, Jimmy.
Problem: lower tier bowls are in places we don't want to go
Solution: win
I mean, I don't disagree, but what city/bowl do you think Swofford should've gotten that he didn't? Is there a bowl game in a good location that is currently taking a 6/7 SEC vs 6/7 B12 team instead of a 4/5/6 ACC team?
Swofford can't create bowl games in better cities. Can you point out a specific bowl game that you think the ACC should have gotten, but didn't?
BRISTOL
This would be an excellent idea if it was going to be warmer. I'd probably still go. The NASCAR Bowl. Hell, NASCAR can even sponsor it.
Not really any colder than Charlotte, but also not much of a destination compared to Belk Bowl.
NASCAR sponsoring something instead of being sponsored by something? What mirror universe is this?!
The big bowls are great. Any acceptable. For lower tier bowls I thought Annapolis was AWESOME. Also really enjoyed Nashville and Charlotte.
Personally, I don't like us in lower tier bowls played in the same city as a big bowl (Miami, New Orleans, etc).
I agree to a point.
The Orange Bowl deal with the Big Ten where we would potentially be locked out of the New Year's Six is ridiculous. Every other conference has a permanent tie-in to those games every year, with a guaranteed backup plan if their bowl is in the playoff. With the ACC, we're kinda boned if the Orange just decides it doesn't want us one year. I would be absolutely livid if VT managed to win the ACC this year and wound up in the Citrus because the Orange just felt like going with the Big Ten instead.
I also hate the sweetheart deal that ND has where they are able to take the ACC's place in any of the major games. I probably am mistaken here, but I believe that also comes with a nice clause where they either don't have to share their proceeds, or they get a significantly higher share of the proceeds than the rest of the ACC for that appearance.
I also don't particularly care for the Sun Bowl. Wish we still were involved with the Gator, instead. Also wish we could have somehow kept a tie-in with the Peach, even with them bumping up to NY6 (especially with the B1G clause the OB has).
No, we're not.
First, the ACC champ goes to the Orange Bowl unless they (or the OB) are in the CFP. If the Orange Bowl is one of the semis, then the ACC champ gets bumped to one of the other NY6 bowls.
Second, the Orange Bowl doesn't pick the teams anymore. The playoff committee is responsible for selecting the 12 participants of the New Year's Six bowls.
I think you might be confused about the Orange Bowl. The ACC is guaranteed to place a team in the Orange Bowl (or another NY6 bowl if the Orange is a CFP semi) every year, that is the one bowl game that ND does not gain access to through their agreement with the ACC (and we don't share NY6 revenue with them, they get their own payout straight from the CFP).
The thing with the B1G and the Orange Bowl is if a B1G team is selected to be the ACC's opponent, the B1G gives up their bid in the Camping World Bowl to the ACC.
Citrus Bowl. We already have CWB.
Does anyone know the rational behind this? Why would the opponent matter. Doesn't really make that much sense, at least from the Orange Bowl point of view.
Maybe it's the contractual agreement between B1G and Citrus? And Citrus doesn't want a diluted B1G opponent, so it goes with an ACC team if a B1G goes to the Orange?
Makes sense. Citrus also gets the first pick of the SEC after the NY6.
Even though it isn't a warm weather bowl, I thought Nashville was a blast at the inaugural Music City Bowl and would like to go again.....double edged sword since it means we didn't have a great season.....maybe MCB could move up.
Also, with the Raiders moving to Las Vegas, I look for them to get a pretty good bowl with the new stadium and great destination. Wouldn't mind a bowl game there.
I too loved the Nashville bowl. Downtown was great. May have been the most miserable game I've ever sat through due to weather though. Drank 3 asspocketsfullaofwhiskey and was still froze. I would still love to go back
It's in Tier 1, it can't really move up. Folks have to stop thinking of the bowls in Tier 1 from top to bottom. They're all together side by side.
Except I'm pretty sure the Sun Bowl is treated a bit like the hot potato of the group.
I'll take any of the bowls on the top two lines.
Is it too early to start thinking about the bowl pecking order?
Right now, if sort all of the bowl eligible teams by record, we get:
Miami 8-0
Clemson 8-1
VT 7-2
NC State 6-3
UVA 6-3
That puts us on the extreme fringe of NY6, but we could be right there for the Camping World Bowl.
I don't think it's looking good for the ACC to get the Citrus Bowl bid from the Big Ten. Too many SEC teams and Notre Dame ranked highly.
Odds are good that Clemson and Miami both get NY6 bowls (most likely a semi-final and Orange Bowl). That puts us currently at the top of the ACC list. Technically, NC State or UVA could be selected before us, but I don't see any reason why UVA would ever be selected ahead of us in a bowl selection.
seeing LOLUVa on that list made me throw up in my mouth a little. I hope we end their season on such an embarrassing loss that no team wants to touch them with a ten foot pole.
BC, Wake, and Louisville are the next three up to be bowl eligible, and I'm sure they would bump UVA down the list.
But it's looking very possible that the ACC could end up with more bowl ineligible teams than those going bowling. GT is 4-4, only three games left (VT, Duke, UGA). Wake and Duke could go into their season ending game with a winner-go-bowling trophy.
Just based on the location, I imagine UVA will be headed to the Military bowl.
Syracuse and FSU (if they play the ULM game) still have a shot at becoming bowl eligible. Syracuse needs 2 wins from Wake/Louis/BC and FSU needs to beat UF/Del St/ULM which seems possible.
I hope FSU does get to schedule that ULM game and that ULM pulls a Troy and beats them anyway.
Alternately, if UF gets their shit together for just 4 hours this entire season, and wrecks FSU at the end of the month. There's never a guarantee in college football, but I think Del. State is about as close to a gimme as possible.
ULM at FSU finally got officially rescheduled for 12/2 at noon.
ULM is currently 4-5, with Auburn, Arkansas State, and FSU left on the schedule. Both teams could be playing for a bowl that day.
on 12/2, we are all Warhawks
TIL: University of Louisiana-Monroe's mascot is the Warhawk.
They go by overall record, not Conference only. Then, the bowls don't go by pecking order so much as which Tier a team is in. Then the Tier gets together with the ACC and decide which team goes to which bowl.
So, Miami and Clemson will be above the bowls.
Then VT will be in Tier 1 and it will be back room dealing on which bowl they will be put into. UVA will be in Tier 2 with their 6-6 record. They will have zero affect on VT's bowl.
Those were the overall records when that comment was posted three weeks ago.
I think I'm pretty up on how the bowl selection process goes for the ACC.
I apologize. I have had an account for years, but only posted the first time in last week or so. Don't know the players at all yet.
The biggest thing I will have to get used to is the age of some of the threads, so I didn't even look at that. I wondered why the numbers seemed off.
Brace yourself for the year-old commitment thread that comes back to life with 1 comment and the ensuing heart attack.
Unless it's Drew Harris because he's totally coming one day.
Sadly, I think Camping World is now our ceiling. Klempson to CFP, Miami and ND to Orange and NY6, Big Ten to Citrus, that leaves VT or NCSU to Camping World assuming both VT and NCSU win out.
Camping World or Belk is the most likely.
I doubt Belk would take us 2yrs in a row, despite how much they seemingly like Tech. But then again NC State's already played at the Bank once this season and brought a whopping, like, 3500 fans. *shrugs* who knows
Belk loves us. They would be happy to fill the stadium with our fans again. And, honestly, I don't think our fans would really mind it either. If you're not going to make it to one of the big boy bowls, at least go to one local that puts on a good show.
All about the location. Pin Stripe in NYC, Belk in Charlotte, or Music City in Nashville are all easy to get to and in fun cities. I'd be happy with any of those, and would honestly prefer them to Orlando.
Music City would be a lot of fun.
Would love it if the hokies came to nyc!!!
Doesn't Belk pick at the same time as Music City? If so I'm hoping for the latter, for the change of pace and so I can experience a new city.
Yup, see top post regarding tier 1.
I only see one case of a team going to back-to-back Belk Bowls, and that was Cincinnati before the current set up.
JERRY PALM STILL THINKS WE CAN GET TO THE NY6!!
If Memphis beats UCF in American champ game, maybe we face them?
Post Week 11 ACC Bowl standings.
9-1 -- Clemson
8-0 -- Miami
7-3 -- NC State, Virginia Tech
6-4 -- Wake, Louisville, UVA
Assuming ACCCG winner in CFP and loser in Orange Bowl, that means that the ACC currently has enough teams to fill the CWB and all Tier 1 bowls. If the ACC gets the Citrus Bowl, we still need one more team to fill out Tier 1.
Whichever bowl ends up with the first choice after the New Year's Six can pick from any of the available teams, since everyone is within one win.
BC and GT are both sitting at 5 wins.
Checking out potential New Year's Six bowls based on the latest AP poll.
Semis will be #1 Alabama, #3 Oklahoma, #5 Wisconsin, and the #2 Clemson/#4 Miami winner. The SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten champs will not be displaced. Orange Bowl will be Clemson/Miami loser vs. #6 Auburn. The displaced Pac-12 champ will be either #12 USC, #15 Washington State, #16 Washington, or #20 Stanford. G5 rep is #14 UCF.
That leaves room for 4 true at-large teams, currently projected as #7 Georgia, #8 Ohio State, #9 Notre Dame, and #10 Oklahoma State.
Once more, with the actual rankings that matter.
Semis will be #1 Alabama, winner of #2 Clemson/#3 Miami, #4 Oklahoma, and #5 Wisconsin.
Orange Bowl is loser of ACCCG vs. #6 Auburn.
Pac-12 champ is displaced, which will either be #11 USC, #14 Washington State, #18 Washington, or #22 Stanford.
G5 rep is still UCF, now #15.
The 4 true at-large teams are #7 Georgia, #8 Notre Dame, #9 Ohio State, and #10 Penn State.
Man, that would be a tough group of teams to place in bowls. #7 and 8 have already played each other, and so have #9 and 10. Notre Dame would have already played two of the possible Pac-12 teams.
I would do more meaningless projections based on the AP Poll after week 12, but it would be the same as last week, except that TCU would replace Oklahoma State as the last at-large team.
Oh, and the Pac-12 is down to just #11 USC, #14 Washington State, or #20 Stanford.
Post Week 12 ACC Bowl standings.
10-1 -- Clemson
10-0 -- Miami
8-3 -- VT
7-4 -- NC State, Wake, Louisville
6-5 -- UVA, BC
Duke and GT can get in with a win. FSU needs two wins. UNC is out. Syracuse and Pitt are at 4-7.
Assuming Clemson and Miami are both NY6 (along with ND), we have enough teams for CWB and Tier 1, and then either Citrus or Military.
Currently, only four teams are available for the CWB or Citrus Bowl (if ACC gets it): VT, NC State, WF, Louisville.
So need to book hotels for Jacksonville, Orlando and Nashville?
We still have the hot potato destination of El Paso in tier 1. Technically, we could get invited back to the Belk Bowl. And there's still NYC on the table.
Didn't and NEVER will put in for tickets to Sun Bowl. I refuse to acknowledge the ACC is so stupid to have that as a bowl game in Tier 1.
So... this might seem far fetched but is there a chance both Miami and Clemson make the CFP? Let's say Clemson wins the ACCCG. If Alabama beats Auburn and Georgia, then those two would seemingly be eliminated. Notre Dame has 2 losses and got slaughtered by Miami, so I can't imagine they jump a 1 loss Miami. If Wisconsin loses in their conference championship they clearly wouldn't move up over Miami- the question is if Ohio State would. Frankly they might just because they are Ohio State and the conference champ argument could be made (ironically since they didn't win their conference last year and were included in the CFP), but it seems nuts that a team that was crushed in two losses, including to an unranked team, should get in over a 1 loss Miami who only lost to Clemson. Additionally a loss by Oklahoma would even further strengthen the chance of the ACCCG loser being considered for a playoff spot.
Basically, Alabama would be the only undefeated team. Clemson, Miami, and Wisconsin would be the only 1-loss teams.
Two loss teams on the edge:
-Ohio State -- would be Big Ten champs
-Oklahoma or TCU -- Big 12 champs
-Notre Dame -- lost to Miami, bad
The only one of those teams I could see jumping into the CFP would be Ohio State, and that would be to replace Wisconsin. But then would they give Wisconsin the nod to jump Miami as a 1-loss non-conference champ? Probably not, based on the committee admitting that Wisconsin's schedule wasn't that great.
Agreed. That's assuming OU loses to WVU or in the B12CG though. If they win out then it becomes Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and down to 1 loss Miami or 2 loss Ohio State. Would be really interesting to see who gets the nod there.
You'd have a non conference champ 11-1 Miami, who already lost to a team in the CFP (in December)
Or you'd have a conference champ 11-2 Ohio State, who already lost to a team in the CFP (in September).
But, you could have non conference champ 12-1 Wisconsin.
Precedence could see OSU or Wisconsin get in.
I just can't see how 1 loss Wisconsin would get in over Miami. The committee has Miami ranked higher right now and clearly thinks Miami has better wins. If Miami loses to a higher ranked team (Clemson being higher ranked than Ohio State), including Wisconsin would make no sense. My gut says Ohio State would get the nod but my head says they lost by 15 at home and 31 to unranked Iowa. Would they really deserve to get in over Miami if their only loss is a competitive game with Clemson?
With NC State Losing, we should be the 3rd best team in the ACC. That puts us at least in the Camping World Bowl, if Big 10 goes to Orange, we have a shot at the Citrus Bowl.
If the bowls were picking teams right now, the Orlando bowls could take any of those 7-win teams over us if they felt like it. We could still get pushed into tier 1 again. However, we are high enough that we cannot fall into tier 2.
If the bowls were picking right now (as in once the CFP rankings come out), Miami and Clemson would be in the playoff and VT would almost certainly be the next highest, and only other, ranked ACC team and going to the Orange Bowl. Just saying.
Thing is with the ACC championship, guaranteed the loser will be dropped out of the top 4.
I agree with you, but the odds actually aren't that ridiculous for both to make it. Now if the committee picks two teams from the same conference remains to be seen, but there's at least a shot.
In 2014, there were six teams with one loss or less. The question came down to Ohio State or the two Big 12 schools. Ohio State got a big boost by having an extra win. There really wouldn't have been any controversy if the committee had ranked the teams differently prior to championship weekend.
In 2015, there were again six teams with one loss or less. However, the two teams that didn't make it had both lost to #3 seed Michigan State during the season.
In 2016, there were only four teams with one loss or less. So, for all of the outrage about Ohio State getting in ahead of Penn State, the line that was drawn was number of losses.
Currently, there are six teams with one loss or less, only spread over four conferences. Two of the teams are guaranteed to play each other, and it's likely that two others will play each other as well.
Give me the best Bowl we can get that doesn't have Auburn in it. USCe, LSU, aTm, any b12 team (Okie St gives me some pause) would be great.
I would love to play USCe, I think we would destroy those chumps and would only help recruiting. I've always felt that USCe and Penn St. were dodging playing VT.
With our propensity to blow big games, why on earth would anyone dodge us?
I'm seeing some bowl Projections as of Now and see that some have us in Taxslayer while others have us in the Pinstripe bowl. While both of these are tier 1, I really think we deserve the Camping world bowl, we are clearly the 3rd best team in the ACC and the bowl is supposed to take the next best team after the Orange, makes no sense with NC State getting a lot of love. Lets beat the snot out of UVA
Technically, they have first choice after the NY6. There's a difference. They are not locked into any one team, unless the team at the top of the list is two games ahead of the rest.
Now, in some cases of projections, you have to keep both sides of the game in mind. Probably the biggest factor that kept us out of the 2016 Russell Athletic Bowl was that WVU was the Big 12 team chosen, and there was a contractual incentive to not match us up prior to FedEx. This year, if WVU is selected or projected into the CWB, then no one wants a rematch.
Although, that Bonagura guy at ESPN projected us vs. WVU in the CWB a couple of weeks ago, so there's always some projections that just don't pay attention to a few details like that.
These projections have Louisville going to the Citrus Bowl. That's a bit of a head scratcher, as they went there last year, and at least Lamar Jackson was the Heisman winner. (They figured it was a better money grab than a VT team that had already played in that stadium less than a month prior.) But at least they have us in the CWB.
If WF, NC State, and Louisville all lose today, VT gets locked into a Florida bowl.
If any of them win, then it's highly likely that we'll be bowling in Florida.
Now I'm hoping that Notre Dame doesn't lose and screw up the ACC pecking order.
Any thought that Miami getting humiliated by Clemson after losing to Pitt could throw us to the Orange Bowl as the highest ranked ACC team not in the playoff?
I'd wager the chances of Miami dropping that far/us raising enough to be ranked ahead of them (especially after a h2h loss) are almost 0 but the hypothetical is still there.
Also, ND's wildcard status + GT, FSU and Duke possibly becoming bowl eligible are why I think we could see UVa actually miss a bowl game -- GT beating Georgia is going to generate some TV interest, FSU will always generate TV interest, ND will steal one of our spots if they don't get into a NY6 game, the Hoos have lost 5 of 6, there could be as many as 85 bowl eligible teams (currently 73, with 3 more guaranteed today) and we only have 10 slots for potentially 12 teams (including ND and the likelihood of the Clemson/Miami winner going to the playoff).
I think our only shots at the Orange Bowl are both Clemson and Miami making the semis, or one of those two getting hit with a last minute bowl ban. Also keep in mind that we have 3 losses. Miami's worst case scenario is 2 losses, and Clemson's worst case scenario is 3 losses. Both of those teams beat us, and Clemson has a lot more good wins on their resume.
Even if there is one ACC team left over after going through all of our bowl tie-ins, there will still be some other bowls that would be looking for teams because their contracted conferences could not produce enough. A P5 team, no matter how bad, is still going to look better than a G5 team.
Final week 13 standings:
11-1 -- Clemson
10-1 -- Miami
9-3 -- VT, Notre Dame
8-4 -- Louisville, NC State
7-5 -- BC, WF
6-6 -- UVA, Duke
Pending next week:
5-6 -- FSU
Not going bowling:
GT (5-6)
Pitt (5-7)
Syracuse (4-8)
UNC (3-9)
One can only hope UVA has to go to either Shreveport or El Paso.
Hell with that, I hope they get sent to Detroit. I guess the ACC won't have enough bowl teams to make that happen though.
At 6-6 they can only jump a team that is 7-5 for a Tier one bowl. It looks like FSU and Duke will get to bowl eligibility. That would leave FSU, Duke, and UVA at 6-6. NC State and Louisville would be 8-4. We are 9-3. So there's a chance they could jump up to a tier 1 bowl. I'm also thinking GT makes it in at 5-6 since they had a game cancelled?
Nope, GT is at the same mercy as a 5-7 team. Unless the NCAA grants a waiver, which is unlikely.
Okay gotcha, didn't they get a waiver that year they ended up in the ACCCG for some reason? Thats what I'm thinking of.
Yes. 2012 GT and 2011 UCLA were 6-6 going into their conference championship games, and got the waiver after they lost the game. Both teams were in the game due to restrictions on the actual division champion.
It's not really fair to penalize the loser of a conference championship game, especially when they are only in the game because two teams ahead of them were on a bowl ban.
Wouldn't matter at this point, anyway. There's currently 79 teams with at least six wins filling 78 slots, including the playoff. Florida State, Louisiana (formerly Louisiana-Lafayette), and New Mexico State can make this as many as 82 teams next weekend.
As many as 4 teams are getting left out, so no 5-win teams can apply for a waiver using their APR.
SOB Florida had one damn job.
So it's looking like we should be pretty much a lock for either the Citrus Bowl (if available) or the Camping World Bowl at 9-3. Its looking like the Orange will end up snagging an SEC team in either the SECCG loser or potentially Bama, so that would eliminate the Citrus Bowl from the lineup. Best-case scenario for avoiding that is to have OSU beat Wisconsin in the B1GCG, putting Bama back in the playoff and eliminating the B1G from the playoff altogether. That puts OSU, PSU, and Wisconsin in need of a spot in the NY6, and a way greater chance one of those goes to the Orange.
I'm kind of hoping we do end up in the Citrus Bowl. Just seems like a better bowl than the Camping World, and we get a quality SEC opponent.
Assuming Clemson/Miami/ND in NY6...
The first bowl to select an ACC team (either Citrus or CWB) will only be able to choose from 9-3 VT, 8-4 Louisville, or 8-4 NC State.
Scenario #1: No ACC in Citrus Bowl.
Teams eligible for CWB: 9-3 VT, 8-4 Louisville, 8-4 NC State
If they pick VT, the 8-4 teams are guaranteed tier 1.
If they pick an 8-4 team, then VT and the other 8-4 team are guaranteed tier 1.
Teams eligible for other two tier 1 spots: 7-5 BC, 7-5 WF, 6-6 UVA, 6-6 Duke, 6-6 FSU (if it happens)
Tier 2: Military and Independence Bowls would get filled by ACC. Quick Lane only gets filled if FSU is eligible. It would be possible for 7-5 teams to be in tier 2 bowls.
Scenario #2: Citrus Bowl chooses VT
Teams eligible for CWB: 8-4 Louisville, 8-4 NC State, 7-5 BC, 7-5 WF
Tier 1 would get the other three teams, plus one 6-6 team.
Tier 2: Military would get filled by ACC. Independence only gets filled if FSU is eligible. Quick Lane would not have an ACC team. Only 6-6 teams would be in tier 2 bowls.
Scenario #3: Citrus Bowl chooses an 8-4 ACC team.
Teams eligible for CWB: 9-3 VT, other 8-4 team
Tier 1 would get the remaining team not taken by CWB, plus three of the 7-5/6-6 teams.
Tier 2: Military would get filled by ACC. Independence only gets filled if FSU is eligible. Quick Lane would not have an ACC team. It would be possible for 7-5 teams to be in tier 2 bowls.
Booking hotels for Orlando, Jacksonville and Nashville tonight.
Prediction: VT vs USCe in Citrus, UVA vs Arizona in Sun
hoping for citrus, maybe sneak in a Disney day, all depends on Notre Dame, and where they fall
ND about to fuck up so ACC bowl choices.
Oof, going from looking at an Orlando bowl to staring down the Pinstripe bowl in one day hurts.
Thanks, ND
What is so bad about the Pinstripe Bowl? It's going to be against a midrange Big Ten team, which is probably someone we can beat.
I'm more worried about staring down the barrel of the Sun Bowl.
Football in a baseball stadium is garbage
Football in a baseball stadium and Scott Stadium is garbage
I agree, the way we kind of stumbled to the finish line I would rather get a winnable bowl game this year than to get crushed in the Citrus bowl.
I think the Pinstripe bowl would be a fun (but expensive) bowl trip, but i expect that BC is probably headed there.
Thanks, Notre Dame...
Let's try this again with Notre Dame in the mix. Again, assuming Clemson and Miami both in NY6.
The first bowl to select an ACC team (either Citrus or CWB) will only be able to choose from 9-3 ND, 9-3 VT, 8-4 Louisville, or 8-4 NC State.
If the ACC doesn't get the Citrus Bowl:
9-3 teams are guaranteed tier 1 or higher.
One 7-5 or 8-4 team will be in tier 2.
6-6 teams will not be eligible for tier 1.
All of the tier 2 bowls will be filled by the ACC. If FSU gets bowl eligible, one of the 6-6 teams will be looking for a conditional bowl.
If ACC gets the Citrus Bowl:
9-3/8-4 teams will be guaranteed tier 1 or higher.
7-5 could slip to tier 2. 6-6 could be in tier 1.
The Quick Lane Bowl would only get an ACC team if FSU is bowl eligible.
Note on the conditional bowls:
ACC gets a slot if American, CUSA, or SEC cannot fill the Gasparilla or Birmingham Bowls. Well, CUSA has 10 eligible teams and only 6 primary bowl tie-ins. The American has 7 bowls and 7 teams. However, that doesn't count the champ going to the NY6, so that would open up one of the spots. Meanwhile, the SEC has 9 teams for 10 primary spots, and that's not even counting the Orange Bowl or any NY6 at-large. So, it would be tight, but it does look like there is a conditional spot available.
Camping world it is!
Ehhhh not so sure now.
A quick rundown on the opponents in the bowl games.
-Citrus Bowl would be against the first pick of the SEC after the NY6.
-Camping World Bowl is against the second pick of the Big 12 after NY6.
-Pinstripe against Big Ten. The Big Ten actually assigns teams to bowls. Part of the deal is that they try to have five different schools over the six year contract (2014-2019), and no back-to-back appearances. Northwestern played in Pinstripe last year. Indiana and Penn State were there the two previous years.
-Taxslayer, Music City, and Belk Bowls are all in the SEC's tier 1, which includes 6 bowls.
-Sun Bowl vs. #5 pick of the Pac-12.
I'm thinking a Big 12 team would be a good matchup. They have high flying offenses and mediocre defenses and we're kind of the opposite this year.
And looking over their standings, they have 11-1 Oklahoma and 10-2 TCU at the top, the two most likely to end up in the NY6. Worst case scenario, a 10-3 TCU would drop down and be in consideration along with 9-3 OK State for the Alamo Bowl.
All of the rest of the bowl eligible teams in the Big 12 are 7-5 or 6-6.
What about the Gator Bowl?
That's now the Tax Slayer bowl.
FUCK OFF ND YOU OVERRATED POS.
Really Really Really wanted the Citrus Bowl , now we might not even get the Camping Bowl
Yep, really sucks. If the ACC doesn't get the Citrus Bowl, we are looking at falling all the way to a tier 1 bowl again this year. Absolute BS. Still a shot ND gets a NY6 bid, but more likely they will fall into the ACC's bowl tie ins.
December 4th was when Citrus got announced last year. I'm sure we'll start to hear some twitter chatter this week
First we gotta get the committee rankings to see how they untangle the mess of teams in the top 10. Right now, that trifecta of Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia is really pushing the Big Ten teams down.
Been reading chatter online about bowl projections, and assuming Oklahoma beats TCU, it looks like the final NY6 spot will come down to ND vs TCU. Both would have 3 losses, but ND has much better strength of schedule, plus much bigger fan base and clout. I still think there's a strong likelihood ND goes to the NY6, especially if Oklahoma beats TCU decisively next sat.
We absolutely need OSU to beat Wisconsin to open up the citrus bowl. If that happens, the Aub/UGA winner is going to the playoff and so will Bama. So the loser of the SECCG will have to take the SEC's contractual spot in the Sugar Bowl, but in another bowl since sugar is hosting the playoff. I can't remember where, but I'm pretty sure I read that if that SEC contractual spot is displaced because of the playoff, they will play in either Fiesta or Peach but not Orange. Only way SEC is in Orange is if there was another SEC non-champ ranked higher than a B1G non-champ.
So if these scenarios play out, here's how I see the bowls going:
Sugar (Playoff) - Oklahoma vs Alabama
Rose (Playoff) - Clemson vs Georgia
Fiesta - Ohio St. (B1G Champ) vs. USC (Pac-12 Champ)
Peach - Auburn (Highest ranked non-champ SEC) vs. UCF (Top G5 Team)
Orange - Miami (Highest ranked non-champ ACC) vs. Wisconsin (B1G at large)
Cotton - Penn State (B1G at large) vs Notre Dame (at large)
That opens up the Citrus Bowl for the ACC, which we would likely be a lock for at 9-3 with ND in the NY6. We would likely face LSU. If the Cotton takes TCU, ND likely takes the Citrus and we go to Camping World. If Wisconsin beats OSU, an SEC team (either Bama or SECCG loser) is likely heading to the Orange; in that case we have to hope Cotton takes ND, or we are falling all the way to a Tier 1 bowl.
That is not correct. The contractual spot only refers to the conference champ. If the SEC champ is in the semi-finals, none of the other NY6 bowls are required to take the loser of the SECCG. Any SEC team other than the champ that gets into a NY6 bowl gets in by virtue of their ranking alone.
The Orange Bowl probably likes years like this, because they actually get the #2 SEC and #2 B1G team in the mix, instead of the third teams after the Sugar and Rose Bowls get their replacements.
Ah, thanks for that clarification. So it will really depend on who the committee wants more in the Orange, a 1-loss Wisconsin or a 2- or 3-loss SECCG loser, assuming OSU knocks off Wisconsin. Having the B1G in the Orange last year probably hurts the chances of them getting it again, but it's hard to tell.
I think the committee just ranks the teams and then worries about how it affects the bowl matchups later. I don't think last year's selection has any bearing on this year.
To be fair, our strength of schedule is also pretty shit. Our biggest win was arguably over WVU and WVU turned out to be a dub. And the 2 biggest games against clemson and miami, we got destroyed. Meanwhile ND lost to georgia by 1 and lost to 2 other top 25 teams.
I think West Virginia essentially finished how most would have predicted with the possible exception of losing to Texas, and Grier was injured in that game. They beat K State, Texas Tech, and Iowa State (who was much better than most expected). So yeah, I wouldn't exactly say they were garbage.
BC showing up after we beat them and the Pitt wins both look much better this week as well.
BC went 5-1 after ya with a L to NC State
Pitt is Pitt
Go back and read VT message board posts the next few weeks after the VT-WVU game. Lots of "WVU's a really good team" and "they're probably the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big12".
I got quite a bit of pushback when I'd say they would end up a middle of the pack 5-4 or 4-5 Big12 team.
You're thinking "strength of victory", not "strength of schedule". Strength of victory is how good are the teams you beat W/L wise, strength of schedule is (mostly) how did the teams on your schedule fare W/L wise and doesn't care what their team name is, where they're ranked, or how badly you won/lost by.
Jeff Sagarin ranks our schedule 51st, better than the following teams he ranks ahead of us:
Alabama (54th)
Wisconsin (61st)
Washington (57th)
UCF (83rd)
In-conference, we had the worst SoS of any team per Sagarin.
Per the NCAA, which uses the more traditional calculation of SoS, our SoS is 59th which is better than:
Pittsburgh (67)
UVA (t-69)
Duke (78)
Louisville (89)
Oklahoma (t-79)
TCU (t-69)
Washington (61)
Memphis (84)
Oklahoma St (100)
Northwestern (63)
All of the non-conference teams are teams ranked ahead of us in the AP poll today.
NCAA SoS rankings found here:
http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=11
Citrus Bowl Twitter seems to be all about LSU. I would absolutely love that matchup as LSU's offense doesn't scare me. With a month to prepare, get healthy and hopefully get out of the offensive rut I love this matchup.
Summarizing the latest bowl projections:
Sports Illustrated - Eric Single
Pinstripe Bowl vs. Purdue
SBNation - Jason Kirk
Camping World vs. Iowa State
CBS - Jerry Palm
TaxSlayer vs. Mississippi State
NBC Sports - Bryan Fischer
Camping World vs. Oklahoma State
247Sports - Brad Crawford
Taxslayer vs. South Carolina
College Football News
Belk Bowl vs. Mississippi State
ESPN - David Hale
Camping World Bowl vs. Texas
ESPN - Matt Bonagura
TaxSlayer vs. South Carolina
Very helpful, thanks. Leg.
I'll take any of those except Pinstripe (and prob Belk, cause we just did that).
Also like Music City (not listed) for selfish reasons.
My mom would absolutely take Music City for selfish reasons - it's halfway to Memphis, where the grandkids are.
Christmas time in NYC is a bucket list trip for me to take my wife.
Pinstripe is the only one I would consider attending. But....Purdue?!? Pur-don't....amirite?
I used to work in higher ed consulting. In almost all of our intraoffice communication, Purdue was referred to as Purdon't.
Also, we beat the shit out of them in 2015, didn't we?
Jeff Brohm >>> Darrell Hazell
Assuming he coaches the bowl game.
So basically, at least 6 of 8 "experts" will be wrong - if not 7 or 8 of 8?
I would love for VT to play in the Music City bowl just to give me an excuse to go to Nashville since I have the whole week from Christmas to New Years day off and have been wanting to go visit country town USA for the longest time.
Come on!
If we use the current AP Poll, then the CFP would be Clemson, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and Auburn. Alabama is #5, and would go to the Orange Bowl (against #7 Miami).
The Pac-12 and American champs would fill two of the at-large spots, which means the true at-large teams would have to be in the top 10 (currently Georgia, Ohio State, Penn State, and TCU). Notre Dame is down at #15, a little too far to jump up, even if the lower ranked teams lose in the championship games.
We'll see where the committee ranks everyone.
Ouch. The ACC doesn't want any part of that matchup.
Committee rankings put the same teams in the same spots.
Is there a scenario in which we play against Notre Dame in a bowl? I feel like that would be a pretty big draw and they would be a fun team to beat!!
No, they're too far down to possibly get into the Orange Bowl. ND's only options are NY6 (not likely), which we definitely can't get to. After that, we're competing for the same spots.
As for a draw...we played there last year and get them in Lane next year.
I feel like that would be a pretty big draw and they would be a fun team to beat!!
Yeah, it will be great to see them in Lane next year!
Our odds of an Orlando bowl are extremely slim. Probably slimmer than getting to the Orange Bowl.
Part 1: The Orange Bowl opponent
Step 1 - take out the top 4. Step 2 - take out any non-SEC/Big Ten/ND team.
List: #5 Alabama, #6 Georgia, #8 Ohio State, #9 Penn State, #15 Notre Dame, #16 Michigan State, #17 LSU, #23 Mississippi State
Looks like the only chance for the Big Ten to get into the Orange Bowl is for Ohio State to beat Wisconsin, but even that's not a guarantee.
Signs are pointing to ACC not going to the Citrus Bowl.
Part 2: The Notre Dame factor
Notre Dame (9-3) is #15. In order for them to get into a NY6 bowl, they need to get up to the top 11. UCF is at #14, but that probably doesn't matter since the American winner is going anyway. In short, ND needs to jump three P5 teams ahead of them.
I figure there are at least 8 teams that will remain ahead of ND no matter what. First, the idle teams with better records: #5 Alabama (11-1), #9 PSU (10-2), and #13 Washington (10-2). Then, the teams that could lose this weekend, but still have better records: #1 Clemson (11-1), #3 Oklahoma (11-1), #4 Wisconsin (12-0), #6 Georgia (11-1), and #7 Miami (10-1).
The questionable teams are the two-loss teams that could lose this weekend: #2 Auburn (10-2), #8 Ohio State (10-2), #10 USC (10-2), #11 TCU (10-2). However, I think most of those teams would have a strong case for staying ahead of Notre Dame by virtue of their extra win. The weakest link of the bunch would be USC, who did lose to ND. Then there's #12 Stanford at 9-3, who should stay ahead of ND, but could maybe drop behind them if they lose.
The loser of the Pac-12 championship game is the most likely to fall behind Notre Dame. I'm just having a hard time seeing two other teams falling that far.
Taxslayer Bowl just posted two polls on twitter about 2 hours ago.
Which ACC team would you like to see in the bowl? (VT, NC State, Louisville)
Which SEC team would you like to see in the bowl? (USCe, Mizzou, aTm, Miss State)
I'd say that's who the bowl formerly known as Gator has narrowed their selections to.
So, you're saying that TKP should go vote?
Give me any VT vs. USCe, aTm, Miss State matchup and I'd be thrilled - especially if it was USCe or aTm. I've been wanting a game/series with both of them for years.
We should have a series with aTm.
We did have a series with aTm back in the early 2000's.
Yeah, it was one-for-one.
I'm talking a standing series, like every other year home-n-home for a 20 year run or something.
We are the only 2 schools that are like we are. Let's get together and play some ball!
We'd have to drop a rivalry game with ODU or ECU though. No thanks.
From the link in the tweet:
I get that more people understand Gator over Taxslayer, but I find it odd that a reporter for an actual newspaper keeps referring to it by the old name.
Also seems a little unfair to BC to drop from Pinstripe all the way down to a conditional bowl slot if the ACC doesn't get the Citrus Bowl.
It's the Christmas season so I'mma play this:
Old habits Die Hard
Leg for Die Hard reference.
Best Christmas movie evah! Yipeekiyay. . .
For real send BC to Annapolis and UVA to Birmingham.
Brett McMurphy has a lot of tidbits along with his latest bowl projections.
He also thinks that there is still a chance for Notre Dame to go NY6, but it would largely be dependent on TCU losing, and then it would be a toss up between Washington and ND.
This part doesn't pertain to the ACC, but it's insight to how the other conferences work in bowls:
Oh. Yay.
He was honored at Gator/Taxslayer last year so not a big deal.
Don't worry, we aren't in the Sun Bowl.
Why couldn't Wisconsin just win and make things easy?
It looks like there's three scenarios for the semi/Orange Bowl.
1.) Alabama makes the semis, Ohio State would be displaced into another bowl (Peach/Cotton/Fiesta), Orange is Miami vs. Wisconsin (or maybe Penn State, just to hedge my bet), ACC gets Citrus Bowl.
2.) OSU makes the semis, Orange is Miami vs. Alabama, ACC does not get Citrus Bowl.
3.) OSU makes the semis, Orange is Miami vs. Wisconsin, ACC gets Citrus Bowl.
That committee isn't getting any sleep tonight, and the same can probably be said for a lot of bowl organizers.
My projections as of the moment. Depending on how CFP/NY6 plays out, the CW could be in play for us. Among Tier I ACC bowls, I'm hearing Sun is out and TaxSlayer likely out. Considering we played in Belk last year, that probably means NYC for us. The big ACC bowl story that nobody is talking about yet is FSU slipping into a Tier I bowl (and the one that many would consider the most prestigious of that tier). Can happen since they can be taken over 7-5 Wake. And that matchup is just begging to happen...
Note- most of the Tier II bowl opponents are almost a crapshoot to project without inside knowledge.
Sugar - Clemson vs OSU
Orange - Miami vs Bama
CW - ND vs Oklahoma State
Sun - NC State vs Arizona State
Belk - Louisville vs Missouri
Pinstripe - VT vs Iowa
TaxSlayer - FSU vs Texas A&M
Military - UVA vs Navy
Independence - Wake vs FAU
Quick - Duke vs Toledo
Birmingham - BC vs Houston
Does Taxslayer really want the Jimbowl that bad to pick a 6-6 team?
If any bowl has the chance to select FSU vs aTm and doesn't do it, that bowl should be cancelled moving forward.
No way. They saw what happened yesterday. They know no FSU wants to go to a bowl game. They just want to forget this season.
Where are you hearing taxslayer is likely out?
Seems like the most logical place right now.
I thought we were going to Jax for sure... Heard yesterday from one of my sauces they want FSU as they think a closer team will help with ticket sales. The potential matchup with A&M would add juice but not the main reason.
I'll say, FSU to Jax wasn't a done deal. My sauce on the Sun Bowl matchup was confident barring an 11th hour change.
If we're available, no bowl can select FSU over us. You can only jump a team with one more won than you.
Not that it matters in this situation, but is it one more win or one more conference win? I seem to remember it being based on conference wins at one point but I also know how often things change anymore.
I think it's overall record for bowl selection. Conference record only matters for winning the division.
It's based on overall record.
However, tier 1 is a nebulous mass. The 9-3 and 8-4 teams have to be selected first. But a 6-6 team can jump in there in lieu of a 7-5 team. In other words, FSU can only get to the Taxslayer Bowl if VT, Louisville, and NC State are in the other tier 1 bowls.
It's like two years ago, when Belk was lobbying for a 6-6 VT. The problem is that no one else had taken 8-4 Pitt, so we couldn't jump them and knock them down to tier 2.
If ND gets into Citrus, and VT to Camping World (which is still a possible scenario), there would HAVE to be at least one 6-6 ACC team in a Tier I bowl.
If ND is in the CW Bowl and VT falls to Tier I (more likely than the scenario above), then if FSU gets into TaxSlayer, it means Wake is the odd team out, as you alluded to.
See bluehokie2006's post below. They wouldn't be jumping us, they'd be jumping Wake and we'd be in one of the other ACC Tier I bowls.
Bama into the CFP means Notre Dame likely bumps to Citrus and Tech to Camping World Bowl.
Per some die-hard TCU fans that I know there is the possibility of VT vs TCU in the Camping World Bowl. They're actually quite confident of it happening.
There is the master vs. apprentice angle going on there, as I mentioned before.
But the problem I'm seeing there is with the TCU part. Oklahoma is going to the CFP. If TCU drops out of the NY6, then the Alamo Bowl would be choosing between TCU and Oklahoma State. Most of the predictions have been leaning for OkSt there, but that was assuming that TCU would be in NY6 range.
If OkSt and TCU are both off the board before CWB, then it's a free-for-all, as the rest of the Big 12 bowl teams are 7-5 or 6-6. The only team I'm confident that we won't face in a bowl is WVU.
Great, now you've jinxed it.
After last night, CBS still has us in Jacksonville against Mississippi State.
Link
Sounds like Camping World Bowl is much more in play than we thought 24 hours ago. If Alabama makes the playoff it looks like that's where we will end up since a Big 10 team gets into the Orange Bowl.
Final standings:
12-1 -- Clemson (Sugar Bowl)
10-2 -- Miami (Orange Bowl)
The ACC pecking order:
9-3 -- VT, Notre Dame
8-4 -- Louisville, NC State
7-5 -- BC, WF
6-6 -- UVA, Duke, FSU
Not going bowling:
GT (5-6), Pitt (5-7), Syracuse (4-8), UNC (3-9)
Big Ten takes Orange, ACC gets Citrus.
Citrus and CWB can only choose between Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Louisville, and NC State. Likely scenario is ND in Citrus, VT in CWB.
Tier 1 will have to include Louisville and NC State. The other two spots can be filled by any other team.
The ACC will fill all of their regular bowl slots, and will not resort to the conditional bowls at the bottom of the list. Therefore, FSU cannot get to their alleged desired destination of St. Pete.
And here we have it.
Hope this is true. Would like to see our D face that O.
Full list of ACC bowls:
1.) Sugar Bowl - Clemson vs. Alabama
2.) Orange Bowl - Miami vs. Wisconsin
3.) no New Year's Six at large
4.) Citrus Bowl - Notre Dame vs. LSU
5.) Camping World Bowl (formerly Russell Athletic Bowl) - VT vs. Oklahoma State
6.) Tier 1 (equal selection):
--Belk Bowl: Wake Forest vs. Texas A&M
--Sun Bowl: NC State vs. Arizona State
--Pinstripe Bowl: Boston College vs. Iowa
--Taxslayer Bowl: Louisville vs. Mississippi State
--ACC was not selected by Music City Bowl (Northwestern vs. Kentucky)
7.) Tier 2: Military Bowl - UVA vs. Navy
8.) Tier 2: Independence Bowl - FSU vs. Southern Mississippi
9.) Tier 2: Quick Lane Bowl - Duke vs. Northern Illinois
Conditional Bowls
Birmingham Bowl: Texas Tech vs. USF
Gasparilla Bowl: Temple vs. FIU
Ha NCST got the Sun Bowl and Herm Edwards with his single wing O!
How about the least attended? I'll go with the
Belk.Edit: Quick Lane
Given the empty look of their stadium on Saturday, I bet FSU will have exactly 2 fans make the trip to Shreveport. Should be a ton of Southern Miss fans there, though.
I thought the NCAA declined to impose a post-season ban on UNC?
They did, but we imposed it for them anyway.
Navy gets a home game vs. the Hoos. Niiiiiice.
Go Navy!