Over the next several months, however, Marchiol said he witnessed behavior that made him uncomfortable, including, he asserts, an assistant coach giving him cash to host top recruits on "unofficial" visits. Marchiol also said he and other players were evaluated in June practice sessions that were allegedly voluntary but were operated and observed outside the NCAA rule book.
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I always felt he was scum
/accuses other coaches of cheating
/marks out bingo board
I'm not accusing anyone, but his player certainly outed him for some NCAA violations.
oh I know, I'm referring to myself
Not to say he isn't guilty, but the player has made the statement to qualify for an exemption to the sit out a year rule. So there could be some salt there.
I came away thinking that the kid was pretty excited to play for Jimbo and the new staff. He even wanted to make it a point to become a like Jimbo brown nose, and be his favorite player on the team. Then the staff gave him illegal benefits and he was turned off to continuing playing there.
To be fair, that's the narrative that he and his lawyer wrote. Who knows how much of it is true, and how much was made up to engineer public support.
Still wouldn't be surprised if the major allegations are true, however.
Let me show you my shocked face...
I never would've guessed a guy named Jimbo would resort to cheating to get ahead /s
The hell's that supposed to mean?
"/s" means "sarcasm", though I choose not to write it in my posts.
Oooh thanks. I didn't know that/s
He doesn't trust guys named Jimbo?
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Can you please post Gif's that aren't blocked by the USAF firewall? I expect you to know what those are /s
Ditto for the Navy firewall.
I can see this one, but there are plenty others blocked by the DOE firewall...
Damn, USAF, Patrick Stewart gifs should NEVER be blocked by a firewall.
Ayy thanks for letting me know what it is. I hate being in the recruiting thread at work, see a BAG gif with a ton of turkey legs, the subsequent gifs with tons of legs, and wondering what the hell is going on haha. I always have to check when i get home.
This might become the defacto method of getting out of the year that a transfer has to sit out. If you can get the NCAA to agree that you left because of violations by the existing staff, you can gain immediate eligibility.
Someone at the Athletic wrote a great piece on this. While these kinds of infractions likely happen nearly everywhere, the real story here is players being able to use whatever dirt they have to gain immediate eligibility elsewhere. Also of note is that the same lawyer representing this player is the one that represented the Ole Miss players who also got immediate eligibility (although I think they had a very strong case in that one).
Part of me thinks this kind of litigation will actually open the door to looser transfer rules. By and large, at least some players are going to act in their own best interest against the teams when they have such a small window to gain professional employment and make some money.
As the contracts for coaches climb, and the "pay the players" sentiment grows, I imagine looser transfer eligibility will be the norm sooner rather than later. Coaches get to bounce around making tens of millions and the kids are stuck? Yeah, that's not gonna last.
Kid had a fracture the previous staff took seriously. New staff rubs tiger balm on new "pop". Pathetic.
I'd like to reiterate a tweet floating around from earlier this week.
The NFL, for all it's fault, has had zero deaths in the last 17 years or so.... The NCAA has had 27. A student on a scissor lift at Notre Dame isn't in that number.
Now I can sit here and wax poetic about the politics and culture of the sport we love. But at some point, something has to give.
EDIT: corrected the number of deaths to 27
Here is the link to the article. Mods please embed:
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To be fair, there are over 20 times the number of NCAA football programs as there are NFL teams, which means over 20 times the coaching and conditioning staffs and therefore over 20 times the number of ways things could go wrong.
I'm not trying to say that there isn't a problem here, rather that comparisons to the NFL may not be the best way to look at it. Any time a ~20 year old kid dies from being overworked and underhydrated (both of which are completely preventable) it's a tragedy and we should look for ways to prevent it from happening again.
i gotchu
Dangg. Im surprised Durkin was able to keep his job honestly. I felt like just the media backlash would have caused them to move on.
I still feel like, theyll get rid of him next year, maybe even the AD. Im sure if more comes out and signs of negligence are apparent, he gone - at least I would hope they fire him.
Evans the AD should be gone. Loh (president) might skirt, but not too many alumni or the board of regents truly like him or the direction he's taking the University. Dirkin might coach this year, but the new AD will most likely get rid of him just to clean house. Especially if he doesn't win more than 7 games.
Wait, was he reinstated? I know he was initially suspended, but I haven't seen anything about him being reinstated
I don't think he was reinstated. They are using this "investigation" to find a way out of his contract, so they don't have to pay him out.
The Washington Post story author is cherry picking the data. There are roughly 31 times the number of NCAA players than NFL players. So even one NFL death in seventeen years would be statistically more significant than the 27 deaths of NCAA players in the same period.
Why measure over 17 years, rather than 20 years or 25 years? Could it be that this period excludes the last NFL player death in training? Korey Stringer, of the Minnesota Vikings died of heatstroke during workouts in 2001. How very convenient to use a 17 year period to make a point about how terrible the NCAA is compared to the NFL. If the author had chosen an 18 year period instead, she couldn't make her sensationalist headline "NCAA Coaches are Killing Players", because the NFL rate is actually higher.
As an engineer, I'd be fired for torturing the data this way to justify a misleading conclusion. Seems like Fake News to me. The truth is that both the NCAA and NFL death rates have dropped significantly in recent years, roughly in half for the NCAA (there were 19 deaths between 1995 and 2001). Harder to measure for the NFL since there are far fewer players and therefore fewer incidents. In any case, I certainly agree that both the NCAA and the NFL need to work much harder to improve player safety.
It would depend on what it was you were doing. If there is literally zero tolerance for a given failure, more than one a year could be a dramatically unacceptable failure rate. Searching for potential causes of those failures, even off limited data, would be what you have to do. I would say that deaths of college students fall solidly into that.
If the NCAA were the size of the NFL, there would only be about 1 death in 20 years. Of course, we need to prevent that death if possible. My objection to the article is not to excuse any deaths. It is to show that there is not a significant difference between what has happened in the NFL compared to NCAA.
And if the NCAA was the size of our national high school football program as a whole you would expect ~2700 deaths using those numbers. Which isn't happening. So something is happening at the college level that shouldn't be. Which is the point of the article.
Have you actually looked at the high school death numbers? I haven't, but in a two minute google search it looks like there could be about two dozen high school player deaths per year, in head and neck injuries alone, which equates to 400 high school players over 17 years. If there is a significant difference between high school and NCAA death rates, it would be interesting to know that, and why it is different.
Did you even read the article? In the second paragraph it says that it's been 17 years since the last NFL player death and discusses it more in the 3rd paragraph. Also clearly states that the "27" number is the number of NCAA deaths since the last NFL death.
Also, maybe don't accuse them off misusing data when you've just finished doing the same thing. Pretty sure that 1.5% figure counts players on an active roster during the season, not players on a preseason roster (which is almost twice the size) or practice squad. The majority of the NCAA deaths occurred during the off-season, and none happened during an actual game.
Edit: I see you deleted your comment while I was writing mine. Touché.
No, I didn't delete the comment. I edited it to more accurately state the death probabilities. Yes I read the article. You're missing the point. The death rate per player, has been higher in the NFL and it only takes one NFL death in roughly two decades to become equivalent to the NCAA rate, so all the nonsense about "NCAA coaches killing players" compared to the NFL is clickbait.
No, I'm not missing your point. If you read my comment at the top of this thread you would see that.
I am moreso pointing out that many of your arguments are directly addressed in the first 3 paragraphs of the article itself, which made it seem like you were reacting to the headline and not the content. My bad if that's not the case.
Also, as an aside, comparing the NFL to the NCAA and trying to claim that either has a moral high ground is ridiculous to me. They are both corrupt in their own way.
I agree. Claiming either NFL or NCAA has the moral high ground is ridiculous, and that was my primary objection to the article.
sometimes raw numbers matter more than rates... ya know, like when people's lives are at stake
fact is that the NFL has killed zero players since 2001, while the NCAA has killed 27
you can go on and on about rates normalized over 20 years or 30 years but the NFL has a 17 year no-death streak going. That makes their rate for the past year zero, the past 5 years, zero, the past 10 years.. zero. You get my point I hope. You can't assign a rate to zero. The NCAA death rate over the last 10 years is infinitely higher than the NFL death rate.
Sure, we should definitely look at raw numbers, and rates, and any other meaningful data we can get. I'm not claiming the NCAA is good, nor bad, nor anything else. I also don't think you should believe the NFL is super great because they haven't had a death recently.
We can always twist data to support our biases if that's what we want to do. I believe the author did exactly that, to support her own opinion that the NCAA has recklessly poor coaches versus the professionals in the NFL. I just don't believe the data supports that conclusion.
As an added thought, I assume the data includes deaths of kids with unknown medical conditions, like the kid from Orange county who got a scholly at Maine, and died in a light workout due to an undiagnosed heart condtion.
Right, you beat me to that.
We need to compare it against something else.
What is the rate of death of the rest of the demographic.
What about other sports and activities?
Do these numbers seem high because our baseline is 0?
Is it just me or did anyone else cringe at the choice of words in the article as well? I can't quite put my finger on it but there was something vaguely political about it that rubbed me the wrong way.
Everything is political these days.
My first thought was "this smells of Sally Jenkins" and sure enough, it was. It's really hard to take her sanctimonious, holier than thou, causes du jour seriously - even if they should be.
$EC, he skates
One bad choice in life can cost you. Every day is 0-0. Every day you have to make good choices. -Jimbo Fisher
Urban Meyer is suspended
Jimbo Fisher is in trouble
@RedditCFB has been suspended by Twitter
It's called a market correction.
Dang, what did RedditCFB do? It took Alex Jones and most of the people who organized the Charlottesville march years to get suspended while spewing a bunch of offensive material.
Retweeted a pic of a dog. Someone hit them with a DMCA claim.
It was apparently a tweet, not a retweet. Not embedding the image here for fear of DMCA violation, but here's a link to the Reddit thread about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/99cu1b/guys_the_redditcfb_twitter_...
If this image is worthy of a DMCA violation, then--given our penchant for reposting gifs--we're all...in a world...of shit.