Beer 2019

New thread for a new year.
I'd like to open this year with a question.

Can you guys mention the various beers you've had with an ABV above 15%?
I'm trying to figure out which breweries currently, and in the past, produced a beer consistently with this ABV level.

Anybody have ideas for a lot 18 beer label, start posting them here. We are considering doing a contest of some sort, if anybody wants to take on a project to run it.

I keep forgetting to get the dimensions for the label but, it's the same for any 12oz bottle beer.

No single style of beer, think a rotating style of beer so we can keep it fresh, bottling a beer in August before game one then having the last case after our NCG in January wouldn't be optimum as well as guessing how many cases to produce for the season just wouldn't be optimal.

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Aslin just released their Black Friday Stout lineup - 7 different stouts, all at 16.5%. Coco Mostra is getting ready to drop, and it is 16.5%

Pretty sure The Bruery has several beers that are over 15%- Black Tuesday and Chocolate Rain come to mind, but I think there are more.

I've not had a lot of luck with higher content beers. Most of them come off overly boozy without the flavor to carry it.
Bourbon County Stout by Goose Island was pretty decent. It's right at 15%. I can't say I've had any others that were worth remembering at that level.
I keep giving Barleywines a chance, and I keep getting disappointment. It's just a variety I can't get into.
Sliding in below your threshold are
Palo Santo Marron by Dogfish Head. At 12%, it was fairly decent.
Love You With My Stout by Evil Twin wasn't bad either. It's 12%.

I think 9%-12% is really the sweet spot. Above 12% the number of drinkable beer compare to the swill is just not a good ratio.

Only one I've had that comes to mind immediately is Dogfish 120 Minute.

Danny Coale Caught That Ball!!!

And World Wide Stout.
The Raison D'Extra is between 15-18%

We are having a big share, with mostly big stouts tonight, so I'll take a peek and report back later.

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Ohh, didn't know they had a cranked up version of R'aison D'Etre. If it's good I will have to seek some out.

Danny Coale Caught That Ball!!!

Haven't had the Extra in a few years. IIRC it wasn't quite as tasty as Etre, but the jacked up ABV makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, so there's that.

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Dogfish Head also has their Olde School Barleywine at 15%

Oak-Aged Vanilla World Wide stout is a 17.5%

But will this be good for VT and the ACC?

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Speaking of 'being good for VT' and this topic - did anyone else receive the fan survey and notice the question about beer being made available for purchase?

But will this be good for VT and the ACC?

Nope. It will be GREAT for the ACC and VT.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

If it weren't good for the ACC I don't think I could hardly stand it.

'Cause, you know, it would be indirectly good for VT.

D9 Brewing has a "Defying Gravity" series where they're exploring high ABV Sours. Only one I've seen from the series so far is Cape Canaveral which is 14%.

GIVE IT TO ME ROSCOE!

Apparently I have never logged a beer higher than 13.3% into Untappd (Weyerbacher Insanity). Now I must find one so I can actually contribute something useful to this thread. Damn you Egbert!

Don't say I never gave you anything.

I gave you a pain in the neck.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

And a few more inches around the waistline 😂

Yeah just checked mine, though I haven't been very serious about logging any of my beers in a while. 13.1 is the highest ABV I've logged

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Wow, just checked mine. (vtnerf)
Several 120 minutes, Fort, Higher Math, Sam Adams Triple Bock (2007), BCBS, and Pirate Bomb all over 15%.

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Tactical Nuclear Penguin by BrewDog. Drank half of it, left it opened in the fridge for 6 months, and the second half tasted about the same.

my friend kept his bottle in the freezer. nursed it for a yr.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Had yall's Theory of Chaos the first year yall did it (~17%?) and it was surprisingly good (not a knock on you, I just typically don't like the super high alcohol beers).

Had 120minute in 2016. Most money I've ever spent on one beer and top two worst beers I've ever drank. 60 and 90 are pretty amazing...120 is too much for me.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

I know people tell me I'm nuts all the time, but the OG 120, say 15 years ago, was an amazing representation of a hoppy IPA. Lately it's gotten sloppy and messy in its presentation and flavor. Not sure what they changed (prob just batch size) but it is NOT what it used to be.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I'll have a taste of 120 if on draft or someone opens theirs, but it's really a hoppy liquor. let it age 7+ yrs then drink.

raison d'extra with a decade on it is spectacular too.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Mine was out of a bottle...whew. Ass kicker.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

First year was 13.5.
Past three were 18%.

Boss wants me to do a 15% ABV IPA.

Looks like early spring for that. Going to do a completely different method to keep it from being boozy and hot. Lots of late hops to bring out the fruit hops type thing.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

that's going to be sweet AF

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

I just remember me and some buddies walking in and yall's old taproom manager guy asking if we wanted any "...well...yeah." And gave us two tickets each lol

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

I still need to get up there and try some of the stuff on tap. The 15% IPA isn't my speed, but I think you've mentioned some variations of squatch in the past.

I'm kind of hoping to get my band in up there, and have an even better excuse.

almost always split any stout over 14% or IPA over 10%. super tricky because each can be so big and boozy.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Having a few peeps over tonight to split these...plus some other stuff they bring.

To you from failing hands we throw
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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

umm how many people!?!

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Between 6 and 12...not sure final head count.
I just know there is next to zero chance I finish a bottle by myself.
Starting at 6, more than welcome!!!!

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

ha. just making sure it wasn't like 3 of you putting in the Grossman's work.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Avery's Uncle Jacob's Stout is a bourbon barrel support that floats around 15% depending on the year they make it.
Pretty sure Avery has a couple other very high ABV beers.
EDIT: here are a couple others by Avery.
Rumpkin (rum barrel aged pumpkin ale)
Plank'd (rum barrel aged coconut Porter)

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Unrelated to the question at hand, but anybody tried Casita Cerveceria out of NC? They are my new favorite brewery and it's not even close. Former Duck Rabbit head brewer, still brews out of DR and makes a bunch of IPAs, pale ales, and a few darker ones as well.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Why so high?

I agree with others who said that the taste seems to go away when the ABV gets above 12%.

I'm a big fan of Trappist-style beers.

I have this years Theory Of Chaos we just kegged yesterday. It's 18% this year. Changed some methods a bit and it's not as hot nor as sticky in the past. I like it this year.

I wanted to get some opinions on other beers and a general list to think about.

There are some beers on the list I have forgottten about.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Hope Higher Math is one you are forgetting about. Permanently.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I don't think I ever had it.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Goose Island Bourbon County Brand Stout.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Some folks I respect have had good things to say about Southern Tier Old Fashioned. Hoping to dig some up soon.

Is the "sort by" function on the untappd app broken for anyone else? I can choose the parameters but the "apply" button is missing.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

High ABV beers? can't figure out Untappd?

I meeeeaaan...

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Last Sunday when it was beautiful here in Richmond, the fiance and I went to Legend for the first time in a while and I had their Taproom Series Anniversary Imperial Brown Ale (8.3% ABV). I'm a huge fan of their flagship Brown Ale, so I had high expectations for this and was not disappointed. Really nice nose and super buttery, chocolaty finish that doesn't overwhelm you. Great for the winter if you're looking for a nice mid-week brew.

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Aside from The Bruery, Dogfish Head, and Evil Twin I can't think of anyone who regularly brews at 15%+

Lickinghole Creek makes several beers (with multiple varietals) in the 12-14% range.

You guys should post your Untappd usernames below, so I can see what you're drinking.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

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To you from failing hands we throw
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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

That's a strange username

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Follow the signs...you can do it!

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

My next check-in tonight will be 1000. Not unique, but total. #803 unique.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

bthurm75 is my username

I think I will show up as WilliamTravis. But, I'm not as active with it anymore.

an untappd user has no name

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Pretty sure mine is ashore13. But, I have entered anything in a while.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

We post the Two Deep podcast beers under TwoDeepVT.

@hokie_rd

Awesome work on the podcast. I listen every week!

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Thanks, appreciate the listen!

@hokie_rd

Kheup

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Honestly, don't think I've had a 15%er that I thought was any good. I agree with others in that 10-12% is the sweet spot where a beer can still taste like a beer, but still pack a punch. Victory Golden Monkey is one around that range that I like.

Most beer that is that high ABV usually doesn't taste like the style it's trying to be. For example. Dogfish Head World Wide Stout taste more like a really thick port wine than a traditional stout.

Usually they all don't taste that good either cause your paying for just plain high alcohol That's just my experience though.

Beer trends are ridiculous.

Want a good high ABV Beer. Try a Belgian Strong Dark Ale at around 10 to 12 percent. Amazing and still retain the style profile and amazing taste.

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: “Guys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

Not much here to dispute.
Especially beer trends are ridiculous.

I don't get the milk shake beers and stuff. Some people love them. We blend beers sometimes for the novelty but that's it. I use it to teach flavor development and how you can fool your tastebuds into thinking something else.

For instance we do a vanilla cream ale each year at the beginning of the summer and serve in pushed by nitrogen. People talk about how sweet it is. It's not. The sugar content in it is very small, it's dry. But the vanilla fools our sense of taste into thinking it is sweet.
We have a stout with cocoa in it. Quite a bit of cocoa. Mix the vanilla ale with the cocoa stout and people are fooled into thinking it's sweet like a glass of chocolate.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

And yes, I know I started off talking about weird beer and mentioned a vanilla cream ale and a cocoa stout.
I'm not the owner and sometimes I get overridden.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

eh, vanilla cream ales and chocolate stouts are not weird at all

Beer trends are hilarious to me. The obsession with IPA is comical. When things get to the point that a beer that goes by the name Cascadian Dark Ale gets labeled Black IPA, things have just gone too far. I mean... the name includes the word pale. Pale black? I think not.

And sours... I love a good sour. But, most of the stuff being made is trash. It's a lactic acid bomb. Tastes like vomit. That's because everyone is doing berliners, which can be good, but I can't seem to find many. They are quick and easy for the brewery to turn out, and get their sour on the market. But they are nothing compared to a Flemish red or an oud Bruin. But... people buy the lousy sours like crazy, and the breweries keep pumping them out.

I've been building a solera Porter for about a year and a half now. It's going to be tasty, and a proper sour.

I'm starting a Flemish red next week. I finally have 2 wine barrels to use to age.
I'm going to rush it and see if it's ready in June.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

If you need some QA/QC, I know a guy.

This reminds me of how many people say they don't like Guinness because it's too heavy. Guinness actually has the lowest calorie count of any mass-market non-light beer but people are used to something roasty and dark being heavy so that's what they perceive.

Oh boy... I guess now the question is - how long will this canned beer stay good for? And where can I go buy enough to pop one at kickoff every game for the next decade or so?

"It's always great to beat UVA, that makes us all smarter and better looking for a couple days".

For a pilsner, usually not much longer than 6-8 months. Some, maybe 12. It has to do with how much oxygen is purged from the can before filling and prevented from entering before capped.
Also, depends on how cold it has been kept since filling and when it is opened.

If you want to extend the life as long as possible, buy the cans the day they were delivered to the retailer and then store at 35F.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

This was available in Blacksburg all football season actually, not even the brewery had it that early. Made for some good pre-game kill the beers.

Panning a short trip to Charlotte to check out the local breweries. Focusing on Uptown/NoDa area because there are so many. Will probably limit it to 3-5 depending on how much we enjoy each. Looking for tips on which to hit. Want at least one where I can bring home bottles or cans which I can't easily find elsewhere for swapping. At least one to just hang out in for a bit. One with a restaurant would be nice ( not a food truck fan), and one for late night music. And of course which are your favorite two for what they brew, and why?

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

OMB has a big, nice restaurant.
Lenny Boy also brews Kombucha, if you're into that kind of thing.
Sycamore gets POPPING during the summer, not sure how it'll be right now.
Vine Barrell (apparently alot of stouts now) and Resident Culture (I've never been to these two, buddy of mine recommended them).

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

OMB has a nice red.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Resident Culture is my favorite in CLT, good to very good hazy ipas. cool taproom, they should have cans

heist can be very good or can just be ok, they have food too. they do can release.

I liked wooden robot, very solid, ipas, saisons and some roastier offerings.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

That's right.
Wooden Robot is in Charlotte, I forgot.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I know one of the bartenders at wooden robot...that place slipped my mind, it's real nice as well.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Wooden Robot is easily my favorite. Have some limited release sours in bottles for purchase and I've been impressed with each I've tried. They actually won gold in the barrel-aged sour category at the GABF this last year, but that sold out quickly.

Unknown is pretty close by and has a pretty cool atmosphere with their newly opened upstairs patio with clear sightlines of the city.

Sugar Creek has a plenty of belgian style ales as well.

GIVE IT TO ME ROSCOE!

Ok! Just had Dogfish Head Raison D'Extra. 18% Belgian Strong Dark Ale. Gotta say they did an amazing job making it taste more like beer than liquor. Recommend.

I will have to try that. Have always wanted to try the Raison D'extra but never found it locally. I'll bet that bottle is around $11 bucks with that ABV.

I will say that of all the styles I'm familiar with the Belgian style would lend itself to stronger alcohol content. My favoite BSDA is St Bernardus at around 11.5% ABV.

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: “Guys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

To your first point, a 5 oz glass at new river tap house in va beach was $6. Still thought it was worth it.

I will have to see if I can find St. Bernardus

I saw Vintage Cellar advertising Bourbon County Stout on tap. Just an FYI.

Speaking about the Bud Light commercial during the Super Bowl.

"Never made with corn syrup"

Like it's own strawman.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Deth's Tar by Revolution Brewing. Barrel aged imperial oatmeal stout. At 14.8%, it's a gnat's eyelash under what you're looking for, but it's as consistently good as everything else Revolution does.

"I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible." -Justin Fuente

Brewery closures in Roanoke Area.
Last December Flying Mouse officially closed.
Ober Brewing in Salem closed officially on 26 Jan.

I talked with a gentleman last week that assures me he is opening a brewery in Blacksburg. I don't have a good date I can pass on, there were still quite a few balls still in the air but he assures me it's this year and he will pass on the date and final name as soon as everything is approved.

Edit: I got the town wrong. The place I know is going into Christiansburg, not Blacksburg.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

the one at mike's grill spot?

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

There's that one which is also a restaurant and then this:

https://www.easterndivide.com/

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

i heard about them, didn't realize doing a true build out, not an old warehouse, that's real money behind them.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

That's an interesting observation but I don't think that's it.

It's probably not a bad idea though. I haven't looked at the Mike's with an eye towards putting in a brewery. I actually haven't been downtown since Mike's closed, except driving through so, I didnt notice Mikes was closed.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

not a lot of room to brew ... nano brewery. baller location of course.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Nope, I don't know these guys.
I reached out to a couple other people in the business in the area and nothing other than the approved permitting.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Brings up an interesting question I've had for a little while now: are we experiencing a bubble bursting in the brewery section? Green Flash closed in Va Beach not too long ago and it caught just about everyone off guard. That location did some great business. The word I heard was that it was too difficult for the company to operate on both coasts, but I wonder if there's something more to it

GF was run poorly, financially, overextended.

New Realm took it's place and while i think the beer isn't as good, it's cooking almost every weekend there. NR is opening a restaurant too.

But yes, it's hyper-competitive right now.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

I'll double down on what BCO says about Green Flash. They over extended and reportedly were making a profit but, they forgot its all about cash flow, not profits. Doesn't do any good if you make a profit but cant pay the bills.

At one time it was a "If you build it, they will come, sort of thing. Now you need good beer AND good business.
Still lots of room for growth in craft as 87% of beer sales go to Macro breweries but you just have to be smart about it. Some of these small guys have NO experience in business.

Some of them are just hitting that 5 year wall that makes or breaks many businesses.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Do you have any insight into Deschute's plans? I know they say they are still going to build in Roanoke, but I haven't heard when.

It seems like they (and Green Flash) are the size that is going to have the hardest time continuing to grow. The beer nerds who helped them get big now prefer to drink local and fresh. That being said, Stone recently announced plans to expand the brewery in Richmond a bit because east coast sales are going to well... so who knows

Deschutes is still planning on building in Roanoke on that property. They completed the purchase for the land.

Their rate of growth slowed considerably so they don't have any dates yet except that they still have plans to build and expend. the did cut down on the size of the building they plan to build but are changing the architecture to make it more modular.

They want to continue export growth into Europe and the place in OR does not have sufficient capacity and cross country transport for the beer is more expensive than cross ocean.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Thanks for the info! I'm looking forward to them opening. Fresh Squeezed is my go-to IPA from the bigger craft breweries, and everything I've had from them has been really solid.

As far as I know their tap room in downtown Roanoke is still going strong.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

It is.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I think it's less that a bubble is bursting and more that the easy money has been scooped up and there's some healthy competition. For a while there every single brewery opening got a ton of local press and hype, and people flocked to them regardless of quality. Now you better have at least good beer with a great location or vice versa or people aren't going to bother.

Can throw Sunken City in that category as well I suppose. From an outsiders perspective, that place had seemed to have huge potential at one point. Any insider info?

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

The owner at Sunken City didn't really know the brewing business, sees the investment more as a real estate deal and wouldn't let his experts run the business.
It is still open but basically just does small batches to serve on holidays.
His plan is to put in a smaller brew system and complete the kitchen to put in a brewpub. I do not know the progress made on those plans.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

We (me and my friends) never could understand why they got rid of Steamboat and Dam. But as soon as they stopped distributing the writing was on the wall in a massive way.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

It was written before that. The stop in distribution was because they stopped making beer.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I guess it was more of hopeful optimism on our part.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Flying Mouse was neat place, but a little too far off the beaten path I guess.

The Veil's Hornswoggler Stout is easily the best stout I have ever had.

Vroom Vroom

that's only 7%, which is amazing for the mouthfeel it has.

some batches are better than others.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Definitely, I recently had the oreo release and did not taste that good in my opinion. The Russian chocolate milk release is so smooth and light compared to a Guinness.

Vroom Vroom

I really like the Prairie Artisan Ales stouts. Will pay $8 a pint all day long for those!

GISHokie, I'm looking for GIS jobs after graduation, can we connect on LinkedIn?

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Sure thing Ben!

Vroom Vroom

My untappd name is Swanny26. I am 982 unique but my nephew who started later than I did is up to 2156 and a woman I have met a few festivals is at 4101.

757, nice.

i know mandy a little bit, more that we have mutual friends.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

If you are ever near Chesapeake you have to stop in to Big Ugly Brewing. Good beers and even better people. I like their Ape Hanger stout the best but the Almond Joy porter ain't bad either!

Where in Chesapeake is that?
I used to live in the Deep Creek area just across the bridge over the canal on the west side of town.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

big ugly is down in hickory area right off the obx bypass. new location is baller.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

I will be heading down to OBX in May. I will stop there. Thanks for the recommendation.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

The new location is about a 10 minute bike ride from me. I love it there when it is cool outside and the fire is going!

Big Ugly is Great Bridge all the way, Fuck Hickory

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Egbert, what do you do? Are you a distributor or brewer or something?

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Head brewer for Chaos Mountain. Makers of Squatch. Squatch is a solid beer.

EvilTwin Brewing - Even more Candy Bars Part 1 clocks in at 14%. Pretty epic stout.

I know I have not had that one.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I saw this and was very disturbed on so many levels. It seems like the brain child of a college kid in FoxRidge who ran out of milk and poured some Busch on a bowl of cereal.

https://wset.com/news/offbeat/this-lucky-charms-beer-takes-magically-del...

I mean, I know that there are beer milkshakes (that also sounds terrible to me).... But why???

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

Don't knock it till you try it. I've had some crazy beers made to taste like peanutbutter and such. If the style profile will allow it, and the brewers know what they are doing it can be a great beer. An IPA is a great style to try to get this fruity wackiness.....

i read an article about how it's made. Not sure about the marshmallows, but by the looks of the hop profile the brewers might be onto something.

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: “Guys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

Commonwealth Brewing in VA Beach brewed a DIPA with marshmallow awhile back and it was great.

The milkshake style beers are fantastic.
And this too sounds like it would be tasty.
Brewing has come a long way from "hey, just dump this in there" to "measure it out specifically...or else."

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Part of my being disturbed is the breakfast cereal part ( I have never been a fan of the kids' cereal----even when I was a kid---- I am weird like that). Then like I said I get the image of a bowl of Lucky Charms floating in beer instead of milk..

As for the beer milkshakes--- I was referring to actual milkshakes made with beer, not milkshake style beer. I know people who made actual milkshakes with Natty Light and ice cream---that is disturbing.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

I know people who made actual milkshakes with Natty Light and ice cream

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

That was my reaction!

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

I get the image of a bowl of Lucky Charms floating in beer instead of milk.

I know a guy who did that when he was a super senior in Fox Ridge. Cheerios, Frosted Flakes, I saw a few but I don't remember Lucky Charms. It wouldn't have surprised me, though.

I think I remember seeing ice cream and (cheap) beer too, now that you mention it.

i didn't go, but have a can waiting for me.

instead, i made my own out of lucky charms and smartmouth game on.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

Dessert IPAs have been popular now for a while and are delicious, but the high amount of sugar paired with alcohol can sometimes give me a nasty hangover.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I suspect there's not much sugar left after the mash and then consumed by the yeast.
It just an ABV booster.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I understand that sugar turns into alcohol, but there has to be a lot of sugar remaining to make it taste so sweet, right?

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

No. It actually doesn't even have to be sugar. I can explain.

There are sugars that are not fermentable. For instance the sugars that make up caramel are too complex a structure for yeast to consume. So, if you make a beer using certain types of malted barley such as crystals or caramels, or use a high mash temperature so that the enzymes cannot trim down the starches into simple sugars, the unfermented sugar will remain behind after the yeast consumes all it can. It doesn't take much to do this.

The other way to do it is to fool your brain into thinking it is sweet, when it is not.
Certain flavors will fool your brain into anticipating a sweet flavor.
For instance, vanilla will present itself as a sweet impression, which is not there.

It is particularly true with something like a NE IPA which has very little or no bittering hop but lots of hops that remind you of tropical fruit and citrus. You are already inclined to taste the sweetness of the fruit, which actually doesn't exist because the fruit aromas are from hops.

Think about the York Peppermint Patty commercial and the minty flavor. "Biting into a York Peppermint patty reminds me of standing on a breezy mountaintop in the snow", kind of thing.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Thanks for the explanation!

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Ah, it's marketing.
It's a New England IPA with Galaxy and Calypso as the primary hop profile.

Marshmallow is sugar, gelatin and corn syrup (If you want it to remain pliable) so it's essentially added sugar.
Gelatin is not an uncommon element in beer used to cause yeast to fall to the bottom along with polyphenols and then removed from the beer so, nothing out of the ordinary there.

If I did this I'd just make the marshmallow without corn syrup and have at it.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

So you're telling me it won't taste like lucky charms? Also has TKP ever set up a beer exchange of some sort. be pretty cool to try to ship some local beers around.

(add if applicable) /s

You could do it to remind you of the flavor, if you wanted, it's just toasted cereal grains like barley, oats and corn.
Add in a little fruity hops as dry hop, make it hazy and tell people it tastes like cereal and they will be influenced to taste Lucky Charms, for St, Patty's Day.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I'll add........ I haven't seen one article where the brewer says it will taste just like Lucky Charms. I have seen the terms "inspired by" and that it uses marshmallows. My thinking is that's the marketing and it's more the news outlets who are suggesting it tastes just like it.

The brewer says that it is "a sweet and citrus nose with "a slight cereal taste." Well that can be any beer brewed correctly with the right grains.

I'm with you that it's probably a nice fruity IPA that's close to Saturday morning sugar crunch cereal and that's about it.

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: “Guys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

I don't care what you say, Leinenkugel Sunset Wheat is liquified alcoholic Fruity Pebbles in a bottle

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson


It is uncanny how much it tastes like it.

As far as a beer exchange, I think there's been some informal stuff but nothing official.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

i'll be there.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

3 beers going to National Homebrew Competition this year

- Old Ale
- Spiced Ale
- IPA (made it to the final round last year, tweaked my recipe from last year)

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Good luck!

Sam Adams Utopias 22%

#Let's Go - Hokies

Somebody gave me a bottle of that. It wasn't bad.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Captain Lawrence Smoothie Dreams is amazing. Smoothie ale with milk, raspberry, and vanilla.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

😲 🤢

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

I got a text from Wendy Friday evening just said, Lot 18 guys said to say. Hi.
Thanks, I enjoyed that. Also, had a visitor to the brewery yesterday while I was there.

Hi, guys.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

The Imperial Walrus Stout from Vasen is amazing. Blew my sucks off that its 10% and didn't taste it at all.

Vroom Vroom

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#Let's Go - Hokies

Hardywood Double Barrell GBS 2018 is 14.8%. Haven't cracked my bottle but plan on it soon.

So I'm planning a trip to the Netherlands/Belgium/Western Germany for later this year and want to hit some breweries while I'm there. Does anyone here have any recommendations or experience with breweries in that part of the world? I enjoy pretty much all Belgian styles of beer.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

i haven't been but my radar would include

if sour is your thing ...
cantillon
3 fonteinen

and trappist to try, not sure, you can actually go to the monasteries
westvleteren
rochefort
chimay
orval

Try Westvleteren

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

I agree with your sours recommendation. Both are in or near Brussels and easy enough to get to. I went to Cantillon in August. The tour in English was really good and the ability to drink several bottles that you could not buy to take out was great. I didn't make it to 3 Fonteinen but had many of their beers and could be a consideration. Some places I hit that I recommend:

Brussels Beer Project - craft brewery that does tours
Moeder Lambic - great spot to grab some beers
A La Mort Subite - a historical spot for beer
Bier Circus - restaurant/bar with a nice selection of beers

Westvleteren is awesome stuff but their hours and general location is tough to get to depending on the itinerary. I would imagine most Trappist places are like this as well.

Cantillon is definitely on my list. I really want to make it out to Westvleteren to try Westvleteren XII, but it seems like a bitch to get there. Would my best bet be to rent a car in Brussels/Ghent and just drive out there for the day? I guess I could also swing by St. Bernardus because it's nearby.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

If all you care to do is have a bottle, you can find them if you pay for it. They had them at the base here for $16/bottle. If you want to buy a bunch to take back, then it would be worth it as they are significantly cheaper. I remember reading some advice online on how to visit them and it's not as straight forward as walking up and buying off the shelf. Definitely do your research for that one

BeerControlOffense's link outlines the difficult process you have to go through to get beer from the source for Westy 6, 8, or 12. You have to call a month 60 days in advance, provide a Belgian license plate for the car you'll be driving, and say which of the 3 you want - you can't get an assorted case. My parents didn't know this was the case when they showed up and got lucky that they took pity on them.
EDIT: corrected timeline.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Thanks for that. I didn't open his link, so I'm glad that what I remember was right

It would probably be helpful if I read the entire link.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

btw, get as man xii as you can. i know you'll want to drink one fresh, and it will be real good, but the magic really starts to happen with a couple years of aging on it.

eric

"My advice to you... is to start drinking heavily."-John Blutarsky

I think the peak is at 2 years. 3 years and you start getting some oxidation which detracts from the wonderful fresh sweet bread flavors.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

I think in the book Brew like a Monk, some of the Monasteries have guest stays you can request. Like Westmalle. You get to tour the brewery and monastery. You could probably only choose one for the limited time. I think that some of the gift shops and local shops have some of he beers.

edit: Actually I stand corrected: You can't actually tour the brewery at Westmalle. (so as not to disturb the Monks).

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: “Guys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

I live in Wiesbaden, which is near Frankfurt, so I can probably help if you send me an email (brett.hurm@gmail.com). I also know of someone that does beer vacations (seriously, she's a real travel agent that focuses on beer travel in Europe) that can hook you up with an itinerary. She did one for me in Bruges and Brussels that was great

Awesome! I'm still nailing down the itinerary of the trip right now, but I will definitely shoot you an email at some point.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Sounds good! Also, if you are interested in checking out that beer vacation person I was talking about, search "Unfiltered Journeys". Not a paid sponsor

EDIT: Also, be sure to search for "Unfiltered Journeys" and not "Unfiltered Journey" One is for beer. The other is some mom blog.

I'm a fan of Brasserie Dupont's Saison. Don't know jack about the brewery. Same for Rodenbach. Like their products. Don't know anything about the brewing operation. Both are in Belgium.

I know you're sticking to the western side of things. But if I were on a beer tour, I'd recommend Czech Republic.

I was in brussels a few years ago and while I didn't go to any breweries, I did do a beer and chocolate tour around the city. It was easily the best 70 euro I have every spent.

Some other Belgian breweries that I haven't seen mentioned:
Fantome makes great saisons/farmhouse beers
Brasserie Blaugies (mostly saisons as well)
De La Senne variety of solid beers. Outside of Brussels
Check out the Delirium bar. It's a 3 or 4 level beer bar with a ton of options.

To add on: I would highly recommend touring Cantillon and if you can swing it, Drie Fonteinen. Drie Fonteinen moved into a new facility a couple years ago so I'm not sure what the tour would be like now. But, I would strongly suggest finding yourself in a lambic brewer's barrel room if you can.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Gueuzerie Tilquin - masters of gueuze & lambic
Brouwerij De Leite - full spectrum of Belgian styles, including some great sours
Brouwerij De Dolle Brouwers - full spectrum of Belgian styles

While I'm only planning on hitting two, there are a ton of releases on the shore this weekend. Burely is dropping 5 cans, RAR is dropping 4 cans, a bottle, and 6 flavors of Out of Order, Dewey is dropping 3 with a rumor of a 4th, Revelation is dropping 3, and Mispillion has a few dropping. Not sure, but 3rd Wave might be dropping one or two as well.

I'm only getting RAR and Dewey, but should be some nice tap lineups around in the next month.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I brewed a 1/4 bbl batch of a Gluten Free beer, a pale ale SMASH. Came out a lot better than I thought it would. Tested out under 5ppm gluten, that's the lowest the test would go.
I'm doing a 4 bbl batch of it next week. I'm just going to do some things to add a little more body and change the hop schedule a little.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I have full faith in you my man, but if you EVER put glitter in your beer, we are through.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Yeah, no glitter. No fried chicken, no cow patties, no fruit loops, no blue moons, yellow stars or green clovers.

I'm wondering if there's many in this crowd that requires gluten free foods.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Let me ask this board and thread, in a very unscientific survey: How many of you would be interested in taking a short brewing course at Technical University of Munich - Weihenstephan and then going on a beer tour in Germany (could be conglomerate of other countries). The short course would be ~2 weeks at Weihenstephan Research Brewery and include lectures and hands-on brewing work. The work would cover theory and practical learning starting at raw materials all the way through sensory evaluation of the final products.

The beer tour would be ~1 week in duration. Course at TUM would be ~ $2-3,000 dollars (covering lectures, materials, lunch, dinners and field trips. Tour costs TBD. I know it is expensive, but you get top notch, famous instructors at a famous brewing institution. This would be offered using our existing VT-TUM collaboration in some shape or form, perhaps Alumni tours.

Interested? Yes. Allowed by my wife? Doubtful.

Related, but not: I've asked a few local breweries if I could come watch them brew for a day or so. They've all very quickly said no. I've even offered to be manual labor while doing so. I've worked on 15 gallon systems, but never gotten to do anything larger. I'm mostly just curious about how the bigger systems work in person. I've read plenty, and watched videos and the like. But, mostly, process just fascinates me.
I've yet to find one who even hesitated before saying no. I'm assuming they're afraid I'll take what's learned and suddenly become the competition.

You are welcome to come to my brewery any time you want for a brew day.
That's a standing invite for anybody here.

We have a 30 bbl system and a 7 bbl system.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I'd love to do that. Any particular way you'd prefer to be contacted about scheduling such a thing?

tbradley -...at...- chaosmountainbrewing -dot!- -com

This is going to be great for the ACC.

BTW: Chaos Mountain is the only brewery in the local region, that I know of and have tried, that is doing the Belgian Quads and the Belgian SDA correctly. Some local Roanoke brewery's are too cloying and can't get the creamy head retention of the style. So great work. Only other person who seems to understand Beligans is Doug John in Lynchburg.

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: “Guys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

Thank you.
Yeah, Doug has a bead on it for sure.

We are brewing a Flanders Red this morning.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I'd love to do it but, no way I could get away for 3 weeks, anytime soon.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

That would be awesome and I might be able to pull it off depending on the time of year :o

For those of you who might be neighbors of mine here in NC, there are a couple high octane options that are worth a shot:

- Fortnight 50 Shades of Grain (14.7%)
- Aviator Night Jump Imperial Stout (13%)

A lot of tremendous options around here in the 7-12% range...

I have not had either one of those.
I'll be down there plenty this year, I will hunt those down.

This is going to be great for the ACC.