#Hokies wing Ty Outlaw was charged last Thursday in Montgomery County with misdemeanor possession of marijuana, according to a criminal report filed today on the Virginia Courts Case Information website. Scheduled to be arraigned April 11 in Montgomery Co. General District Court.— Norm Wood (@normwood) March 27, 2019
Another in a line of off the court issues for the Virginia Tech basketball team.
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Does that trigger an automatic suspension or anything? Long-term, I'm sure he will be able to take care of this. However, short-term a suspension during the tournament would be devastating.
he was charged before Friday's opener against St Louis and Sunday's round of 32 game against Liberty, so i'd be surprised if there was an automatic punishment triggered by a reporter tweeting it rather than him being charged
Don't remember how this works, is this going to effect him for the rest of the tourney?
Edit: Also this seems comical cause wasn't he in San Jose last Thursday? Shouldn't be hard to get out of this.
Date charged is not the same as date of alleged offense.
I'm basing this off the sauce that said the police raided his apt while he was gone, which also was that day.
The date of offense is 3/21:
So basically the one question that we're all thinking. Does this impact him in the upcoming game(s)?
Edit: Yea what they said up there.
Shit'll buff out.
How did he get charged Thursday, when he was already with the team in California?
Yeah what kind of police work is this. No way this sticks, fuck I'll be his lawyer. Unless he left a notarized letter with weed in his room claiming it he's got a million routes of plausible deniability.
Edit: assuming this is stemming from the report that his apt got searched and not the other way around.
I remember seeing something in either the preview thread or the game thread about a police raid on his/Clarke's apartment. Its possibly a case of need not be present to "win".
It's in the March Madness 2019 thread.
http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/809530#comment-809530
So, I'm not a lawyer...but that seems like a pretty easy out for Ty, right?
Depends . . . it doesn't create a presumption that the person knew the marijuana was there, or that it was theirs. If it was found jammed under the couch in the living room and Ty has 3 roommates and they just had a party the night before with 30 people there? Pretty weak case. If it's found in Ty's bedroom, in his nightstand, sitting underneath a piece of mail addressed to him along with his car keys? Different kind of case. All going to depend on the facts, which we most likely won't know.
If his bedroom was unlocked....?
Definitely would help his case. Would also be interesting/relevant to know the basis of how police found it - was it loud music/party/odor at a residence - or was it a specific tip to search his bedroom or car?
http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/812332#comment-812332
Thanks for the update.
This is the only comment in this thread that matters. What if we suspend him and it turns out it was CC's weed?
RT
Come on CC, you want to help the team, we could use an assist here.
On the edge of my seat watching tonite's episode of TKP Law. Very impressed by all the legal skills out there.
I'm thinking if he played last week after the charges, he should be able to play Friday. Shit like this sucks when you play 7 guys and have 8 that typically dress for games.
He wasn't charged until today. The offense date was Thursday 3/21, but there wouldn't necessarily be any public record/formal charges until today. Unfortunately, I think that means the fact he played last week has no bearing on whether he plays Friday.
He was issued a summons last Thursday, just like when you get a speeding ticket in hand right after the police stop you, it doesn't get filed with the court system/become public for several days. Same case here: offense date may be 3/21/19, but the file date is 3/27/19 (today).
How would he have been issued the summons when he was in San Jose? I mean, what do they do, call you? E-mail you?
Who does he live with?
Can't you be mailed a summons? If not you can certainly have it served to you after the date of the occurance or suspected violation
Yeah, think speed camera. caught one day. Mailed another day. Filed another day.
This is what I was originally thinking of but I didn't know if it was different for must appear charges. You can pay those speed camera tickets online, can't usually do that with drug charges.
Just an example of the timeline...
Exactly, either by mail, or it could be issued on a certain date, and then served on you at another date by an officer whenever they find you - could be days or weeks later.
And certainly something you can't pre-pay like a speeding ticket (you usually must appear), but for a simple Class 1 misdemeanor the summons is basically a "released on recognizance" where by signing the summons you agree to appear in court (or have a show cause or capias issued if you don't appear).
My point is, if he is in San Jose, he would not have actually seen or signed the summons. I assume he would have found out from neighbors or firends or Clarke, but what are chances Ty actually spoke with police. If he did not speak with police or receive a summons, than he had no obligation to tell Buzz or Whit, because he did not know that he was being charged with anything.
Regardless of the timeline of events last weekend and when Ty, Buzz, and Whit knew, it now seems inevitable that Whit will have to suspend him. There will be a spotlight on this and how VT handles it, too much public pressure for Whit to let him play. Unless Whit makes a statement vouching for Ty and that he sees no reason to suspend him.
Am I on track here? Is this what everyone else is thinking?
The CAP doesn't require suspensions for misdemeanor charges, (suspended if convicted maybe?)
Felony charge and you're automatically suspended, and dismissed if convicted.
Ty was formally arrested yesterday according to RT. So that clears up the summons part. My guess is they all were aware before he was actually arrested. My hope is that since this is a misdemeanor and Outlaw wasn't actually home for what they allegedly found*** that he'll be allowed to play.
***still going off the best information that this is stemming from a search of Outlaw and Clarke's apt.
I think he lives with Chris Clarke, right?
I just looked at the Virginia Courts information page and there's no case listed against Ty Outlaw (or any Outlaw for that matter). This seems really fishy.
It's listed in Montgomery/Christiansburg, not Montgomery/Blacksburg.
https://eapps.courts.state.va.us/gdcourts/criminalDetail.do?formAction=n...
Thanks VTGM - I just found all of the speeding tickets that my dad has on his record since 2010, thanks to your link and research!
Look under Virginia Court Case Information for Montgomery County (Christiansburg), not (Blacksburg). Blacksburg courthouse closed a while ago.
You didn't look in the right place.
Case/Defendant Information
Case Number : GT19004607-00 Filed Date : 03/27/2019 Locality : COMMONWEALTH OF VA
Name : OUTLAW, TYRONE KHALIL Status : Released On Summons Defense Attorney :
Charge Information
Charge : POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA
Code Section : 18.2-250.1 Case Type : Misdemeanor Class : U
Offense Date : 03/21/2019 Arrest Date : Complainant : ROSE, OFFICER HA
It's honestly ridiculous how many off-field/off-court issues our athletics have had this past year.
You would not have enjoyed the late 90's , early 2000's at Virginia Tech. All of the past couple years is child's play compared to then.
VT, Miami, WVU all had some solid seasons...
"Hold my beer"
- Marcus Vick
In other news, athletes smoke weed, many of them, so do working professionals and many in society as a whole.
Can't wait until 5 years from now when we look back going, "wait he got charged for that."
While this might be true, the legal system is what it is. Maturity and responsibility are key here.
Sorry can't bring myself to care even in the slightest. If he got charged with jaywalking I'd be more concerned about his maturity / responsibility level. If his house did in fact get raided, then if he lived in DC vs. VA he wouldn't have been charged assuming it was within the limits.
Ah yes, not using the sidewalk is less mature than smoking illicit drugs. LOL
Well you could actually die by not using the sidewalk so maybe it is
Nope, can't die from using illicit drugs
Please find me one case of someone dying from marijuana overdose.
I'll wait
I think we may be here a while
Jesus, dude. It was weed, not cocaine or molly or heroin
I think his point was it is still illegal under the current laws.
It's also illegal for anyone over 12 to trick or treat in Virginia, or wear a mask in public.
The only thing that dies from smoking up is your ability to resist junk food
I had a friend one time who did one weed. You know where he is today? Dead.
He was hit by a drunk driver, but we will never know what truly did it.
What a joke.
I think we are talking about two entirely different things. Its irrelevant that we feel it is OK to smoke weed. Its illegal, hence the maturity responsibility part of it.
Edit: BTW, I am not in any way making the assumption that he is guilty of something at this point.
So is speeding. Be careful out there folks. Interestingly, I believe so is spitting on the sidewalk in Virginia.
Amazingly, thousands of students attend classes virginia tech every day and don't get charged with marijuana possession. They are all unicorns.
And thousands of them smoke weed and don't get charged. Unicorns.
And thousands of them aren't a High Profile athlete at a quaint school while on a revenue generating D-1 basketball team that shows up on National TV and happen to be in the Sweet 16.
LOLOLOLOL. 30K undergrads and the largest school in Va. Yep quant little ole VT. Nonsense. The vast majority of VT students are mature enough not to get arrested for drugs in their 4 years. The vast majority.
(Pssst DC, I'm agreeing with you........)
And the quaint was for Blacksburg, in the middle of nowhere, being a small town with a tight campus. It's not metropolitan.
George Mason is. The largest public school in the state
And thousands of them aren't D1 athletes that are constantly banged up and in some sort of pain which they'd rather relieve with a bit of weed instead of narcotics prescribed by the docs.
LOL. Awesome. Bravo.
This is a useful response.
At least it's honest. Yes hoops players smoke dope because advil, daily therapy work, full time training staff doesn't cut it. Yep, they smoke it for pain and not to get high. Especially in their early 20's.
If you don't think people smoke because of pain relief, you need to put down the "Reefer Madness" videos from the 60's. It's safer, less habit forming, and has fewer side effects than narcotics.
Do people smoke it to get high? Yup. Just like people drink to get drunk. That doesn't invalidate the fact that people also smoke because of pain relief.
I have a hard time buying the "less habit forming" argument. In my experience, and on a percentage basis, I've witnessed more people have their lives and relationships forever altered from habitual marijuana use than alcohol use.
I'm not making an argument one way or another here, because I don't want it to get political. And I'm not defending prohibition of any substance, nor am I defending legality of alcohol vs marijuana. But if you look at just marijuana by itself and you don't compare to alcohol or anything else, then I think there are still a lot of grey areas. I'm not sure how you can argue there are fewer side effects, and what about severity of side effects. And much of the debate comes down to CBD and THC. CBD is the stuff you can argue is good for the body, but THC is what gets one high. The marijuana of today and the synthetics have much higher THC levels than that of the 60's and 70's. Much easier to test blood alcohol levels at time of a car or workplace accident, is there something comparable for marijuana if it is legalized federally?
EDIT: I now see you were referring to habit forming relative to narcotics, not alcohol.
I was. But I'd argue the same about alcohol. While anything can be habit forming (internet, gaming, etc.) weed is not physically addictive, unlike alcohol. Any my evidence is just as anecdotal as you're, but in my experience, more people have had their lives ruined by alcohol than weed by a wide margin.
Also, CBD and THC have different effects that are "good" for the body. The THC side is actually what benefits pain relief. CBD to a much lesser degree.
It has been shown scientifically that Nicotine and Caffeine are physically addictive. Is alcohol really physically addictive? Or is it more of a psychological addiction like gambling. It has been shown that alcoholism has a hereditary gene associated with it. So addictive personalities that can become addicted to alcohol or gambling, does the same apply to marijuana? My argument is yes, and I personally have known more people in my short life to be impacted by marijuana addiction than alcohol addiction. The whole gateway drug thing comes up here too. I think the science on this is all very subjective and not concrete and difficult to measure and quantify. My only point is alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, opiod addiction can all ruin lives. So can marijuana addiction. Some argue that prohibition can make these matters worse and that legalization is a better path. I honestly think we'd all be better of these substances never existed, but they do and they aren't going anywhere, so...
Alcohol is 100% physically addictive. You can go through withdrawals from alcohol.
Trust me, happen every Sunday.
Pot helps!
Ah yes, didn't think about withdrawals, that clearly indicates physical. thanks.
withdrawals from marijuana possible? Not sure I've heard of that. People get cravings and headaches and occasional shakes from not having cigarettes or coffee, etc. Where does marijuana fall on this scale.
Yup I recently read a study that studied the benefits of CBD versus THC. One of the points they tested was that terminal Cancer patients preferred THC while people with seizure disorders preferred CBD.
So if legalized federally, then the manufacturing will be regulated and mandatory limits on CBD and THC concentrations will need to be established. Similar to beer, wine, and liquor. You know how much your drinking and you know relatively well how many drinks over an hour or two or three will impact your BAC. It is also well known at what level BAC fine motor skills and cognitive judgement is impaired. This will be the biggest challenge for marijuana legalization in my mind. How to establish safe limits.
Colorado is a pretty good case study in my mind. They don't seem to have any increase in impaired driving since pot was legalized, so I think we should follow their model.
They're trying to force marijuana into the same (deeply flawed) framework that they use for alcohol. It's a trash can fire and it's not 'working'.
I deal with this stuff every day. My beliefs and opinions probably start to go down the 'politics' pathway, so I'll keep them to myself unless people really want to ask specific questions.
I had a lengthy response to this typed out, but it's going to get me in trouble, so I'll just say that it's not nearly as cut and dried as 'it is well known' when it comes to the way any substance affects any individual person.
I know "people" smoke MJ for pain, yes. I never said they didn't.
And yet, you're completely dismissive of the possibility that high level athletes smoke pot for pain.
Nope, I was dismissive of current VT hoops players that have access to world class treatment in a sport that is not nearly as physical as football using MJ for pain management on a large scale at their age. That's what I dismissed. Nothing more. I'm guessing- just as you are the other way - that college kids are smoking it to get high and not medical purposes with rehab and doctor and treatment access that they have. I bet I'm right. And I don't have a huge issue with them smoking it to get high, but let's not fool ourselves here.
Ty will get his masters degree in May. He has 2 bachelors degrees. He has never once gotten in trouble with VT. He has been though an incredible amount of pain and adversity as well.
Do you honestly care that he had a tiny amount of marijuana in his apartment? I typically don't excuse drug stuff that easily, but this is soooo minor.
Let me ask you this: if Nickeil or another underage player had his apartment raided and they found a bottle of beer, would you have the same reaction?
As someone who has an allergy to Opiates and has smoked Marijuana for pain relief since the age of 16 I have to speak out against your shortsighted opinion. I was smoking weed at an early age for migraine headaches, bone breaks, muscle strains and any other symptom that Advil wasn't effective against. This was recommended by a Pediatric Physician who was an attending in Europe in the late 80's and early 90's. At that time there was actual research going on which treated THC/CBD as a medicinal compound versus a Narcotic. Thankfully he imparted that knowledge in the room that day and my young ears were listening. I had to procure my medicine through back channels and shitty people sometimes but had it not been for him then life would have been harder than it had to be. Maybe Ty was smoking just to get baked maybe he has an Uncle that once told him that it would "Cure what ails ya". In short, Quit being Nancy Reagan and just say maybe.
But is it effective? /s
Very
I guess they are smarter/ hide it better than the overwhelming majority affiliated with the athletic department that do.
He had his apartment raided.... for weed possession. The average student will never have that happen to them
And you know for a fact they raided his apartment BECAUSE he was an athlete? Would love to see proof of that.
And do YOU know for a fact that (a) he's guilty, (b) he wasn't using it for pain relief, (c) he was being less careful than other students smoking weed, or anything else you are claiming?
To be fair, unless I've missed something, (b) doesn't really matter whether it was for pain relief in the eyes of the law in VA, right?
No, it does not matter. But he claimed it in one of his comments with no proof
edit: and then said I was saying things with no proof
I never said I KNEW any of those things. I do know that he was charged with this, and that thousands of VT students today will not be- for whatever reason. If you know that every student at VT smokes dope, has it in their apartment and only athletes get busted, I would love to see those numbers as well.
psst. Non-athletes get busted too.
This exact situation happened to me. While I was a student at Virginia Tech and I am not a high profile athlete.
I wonder what else the overwhelming majority affiliated with the athletic department have in common compared to the rest of the student body
Go bust some real perps.
Small town Cops in a small community. They have no perps to go bust other than speeding motorists and college kids with booze underage or pot in their apartments off campus. Blacksburg isn't Alexandria, Arlington, or Richmond.
Cut to our chances against Duke:
via GIFER
Thankfully, my worst fears didn't come to pass, and this comment didn't age well.
I hope we make a big statement by doing nothing.
The real question is: Will the wins we have already so far this year during our tournament run, be wiped from the record-books? I guess it depends on how long the staff knew about this, and if they still allowed him to play.
The even bigger question is: Will he still play on Friday? Losing his 3 point talent and ability to play a post presence for the small ball lineups we run would be a HUGE loss.
That is not the real question.
Okay, I'll bite. What's the real question?
I'm not sure, however, it is not "will we have the previous two wins taken away?"
If the staff allows a player to play even though he is ineligible due to conduct issues, wins can be vacated by the NCAA, pretty straight forward I thought, chalk it up to the verbiage I used probably. Guess TKP'ing at work has it's disadvantages.
Would have to be ruled ineligible by the NCAA. I don't think misdemeanors would factor into NCAA eligibility. Also, he wasn't charged until today so if that was even a thing, he wouldn't have technically been ineligible last weekend.
I didn't take the misdemeanor factor into account, figured any infraction would cause a athlete ineligibility.
I honestly have no idea, but the way the article is worded does not make it sound like the NCAA has any clout here and it's strictly up to the AD to determine. Would be wiling to change my mind (and current emotional well-being) if that's not true.
Misdemeanors are not a suspendable offense by the conduct board unless proven guilty. Its really up to
Whit. Ty's Court date is not until April 11th which is after the tourney. Doubt Whit will suspend since Ty's career will be over once the tourney is done.
I feel like with this going public, there would have already been a decision regarding suspension by now.
Doesn't the school usually make a statement first about suspension just before it leaks and becomes public knowledge regarding a misdemeanor charge?
Seems as if Whit might have the final call.
https://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-hokies-ty-outlaw-marijuana-0328...
Would think this would be tough to "let go." Don't charges require immediate suspension until the legal issues are resolved? Or I at least remember that being a thing with the football team last off-season
EDIT: If memory serves, those were felonious charges of "intent to distribute" and may not require immediate suspension
EDIT 2: Validated
Felonies. This is a misdemeanor.
Just so everyone is clear. This is a misdemeanor, which means he had less than 1/2 oz of weed. Seems like a waste of resources.
Best case scenario if Ty immediately told Buzz, and Whit was immediately informed, etc i still don't see Whit allowing him to play. Would set a terrible precedent, unless of course there are a bunch of these situations throughout the year that Whit already allows.
You know what precedent I don't want to set? The precedent that we would handicap our best team ever in the biggest game in program history and force a 6th-year senior to end his career at home watching his teammates on TV because he may or may not have smoked some pot.
That was Ty's choice to make. Not mine.
Right. IIRC, felonies trigger automatic suspension by VT athletics policy, but misdemeanors allow some judgement by the AD and coaching staff.
Smoke'n trees and stroke'n threes
I like this.
I'll take an Orange XL.
At least now we know what the hell Bede was doing with his celebration.
Think it's a play on Young Thug's "Slimed In"
Any chance Whit just says Ty Outlaw is innocent until proven guilty?
At least we have this story to distract us from the imminent departure of Buzz now...
5 total charges against Ty, 4/5 past due... not good.
https://eapps.courts.state.va.us/gdcourts/nameSearch.do
I downvoted your post for multiple reasons:
The second offense is driving with a suspended license which I'm assuming was suspended because of the unpaid fine for the first offense which was not having his license. VA just passed a bill that prevents licenses from being suspended due to unpaid court fees. So it will be interesting to see how that plays out since his second charge wouldn't even be valid anymore because his license wouldn't have been suspended in the first place according to the new law. Of course that happened before the new law but it's stills very stupid in my opinion
The suspended license charge is listed as a misdemeanor (don't ask me how I knew to look for that), so there is a precedent that a misdemeanor charge and being found guilty of that charge do not result in suspension.
Good eye. We will have to see if that follows for this alleged misdemeanor crime as well.
Are you trying to say Ty didn't have himself a fall-guy?
Having a long debate with a girl at work who's a UVA fan...
Claim's VT lacks high standards because Tony Bennett suspended his best player (Austin Nichols) a few years ago when this happened to UVA.
Little did she know, he was in trouble at Memphis, left Memphis, tested positive for cocaine at UVA.....
This is why arguing with UVA fans is pointless.
We're now entering the: "The news is covering it, so it must be a lot bigger deal than you think"
The news here in Roanoke literally just covered "Not cleaning up after your dog at your apartment complex"
No comprehension that most if not all news stories are click bait to drive web traffic.
I would argue that cocaine and pot are very different drugs and should be handled differently.
Whit, when asked to comment
So 2 things. First of all turn down the music and smoke outside. Second, Outlaw is a great friend taking the fall for Clarke so he can come back next season.
Here I was thinking damn, Ty needs a fall guy...when Ty is actually the fall guy
Anyone who has spent a considerable amount of time around athletes at any public university recently can attest to the fact that a majority of them smoke weed every once in awhile at the least. Of course they have to be smart about it so they don't get caught, but Ty isn't a bad guy, this is a misdemeanor, and I'd like to think the coaches and AD knew about this. If they didn't know about it, well then I'd say we won't be seeing Ty on Friday.
EDIT: changed "demeanor" to "misdemeanor." I hate typing on my phone so much.
So can someone go raid Zion's dorm? Maybe they'll find something there. Or Barrett, he always looks kinda stoned.
It's funny you think Zion lives in the dorms like a normal freshmen.
He wasn't actually being serious lol.
And neither was I.
Raiding apartments for blunts. Amazing police priorities. /s
Actual footage from the raid.
There was a similar raid down the road from me in Huntington where the guy tried to throw a small bag of weed containing probably a few grams out the window, jump out the window himself, and get away. Our whole road was blocked off, and none of us could get to class.
Now I see why Ty has only been 5-12 FG, especially only 3-8 3PT, so far in the NCAAs...he ain't got his drugs!! /s
Maybe he should've hit up one of those "doctors" out in CA and gotten himself a 'script.
Couple of thoughts (I'll try to say them clearly this time):
1. Tin foil hat thought: Buzz seems to be pretty good at keeping things discrete when it comes to discipline and injuries. I wonder if someone leaked this information to diminish the chances of Buzz leaving VT. I know this seems really conspiracy theory based, but what if the person knew that Buzz had already made the decision to play Outlaw regardless this Friday, and so by leaking the information, he looks like a bad coaching candidate for TA&M (negative publicity), because of an inability to reign in his players. Just throwing the idea out there.
2. Personally, I think Outlaw should sit if he's found guilty (is transparent with the coaches, so maybe not guilty in from a legal perspective, but just in the eyes of his coaches). I hate for his career to end this way, but we gotta set a precedent, and young adults have to be willing to accept the consequences for their actions. (This point is predicated on the idea that Outlaw was fully aware of the presence of weed in his apartment; I think it goes without saying, if the guy didn't know it was in there, then he doesn't deserve the blow-back from this)
3. If he does sit, then our rotation just got even thinner, especially in the post. Not to mention our best 3 point shooter would be riding the pine.
Is the court date before or after the Final Four?
Maybe he is fully transparent and honest with the coaches, thus the court date really doesn't matter...
If that was the case, they would have known about it prior to last weekend and sat him the first two games.
Edit: NOT saying he wasn't up front with them or hiding anything. Just saying, I'm sure they were aware this was coming down the pipe, and would have dealt with it in that manner prior to now. It's not like this is a surprise to Buzz or Whit.
Nice.
I was reacting to that part of the quote. If the court date isn't before VT's Final Four appearance, then there are no more game for him to sit for if found guilty at said court date that is taking place after his last game.
April 11.
1. It only affects his perception at aTm if he does in fact sit Outlaw
2. Personally now that we know it's a misdemeanor, let him play
3. Doesn't happen with the above two
1. I agree. Buzz has lost all control of the program. A&M should stay far away.
2. Outlaw can't be found guilty or not guilty by Friday. He probably won't have his court date until like June. Right now he's only been accused of a misdemeanor. I wouldn't sit him for that.
1. I agree...
2. See above statement, I'll edit it, seeing as people are probably going to comment the same way...
The only reason he would sit is if he fails a drug test. I'm assuming they gave him one immediately and there are very easy ways to pass, especially as a collegiate athlete. The student athlete conduct rulesbook does not mandate suspensions for misdemeanors as he has not been found guilty yet. The only reason for a suspension would be a failed drug test.
Fortunately he's not even scheduled to be arraigned until after the tournament is over so that's a non issue. It really comes down to do the decision makers here care enough to make him sit for the most important Virginia Tech basketball game since we lost to Dayton in the tournament in '67.
Works for me, court date isn't until after the final.
This theory doesn't hold any water as this isn't a "leak" or anything of that sort. Criminal charges are listed on the internet for all to search and see.
So according to the Roanoke Times article, a police officer went to the apartment at ~6pm last Wednesday for a "narcotics violation" and smelled weed. He couldn't make contact so he got a search warrant and then the apartment was searched the next day.
Ty was not in Blacksburg at either time.
Yeah this is the most BS way to get busted for weed I've ever heard.
We've gotta get these dangerous young college students off the street by any means necessary !
Like I get if you get pulled over and your car smells like a fucking head shop cause you have an O in a back pack, that's you're fault for being an idiot. Getting busted cause your apartment smells like weed? Fuck off its his home.
Edit: I know you're being sarcastic but this drives me insane.
So if this the case, why aren't we seeing charges against CC or others that might've been present? Does anyone know if others were also charged?
They heard the cops coming and threw it all in Outlaws room.
THIS IS A JOKE AND NOT TRUE
Not there when they busted his house? Seems like this could be an easy/non case for Ty. Can easily just say it's not his, doesn't know how it got there and then shut the fuck up. Today is not Friday but here's my help to Ty...
Speaking of a different "Friday" and not being in a place a crime was committed...
The facts out currently will make it hard for the State to get a conviction, unless more damning facts come out (like he labeled his weed with his name such that it was unmistakably his or it was locked in a case that only he had the key). Finding weed in his room while he was gone for a significant amount of time and others had access would make it difficult to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he had domain over the weed. There is also the legal issue of whether the Officers truly had an ability to search his room if the underlying event to lead to the search warrant occurred while he was gone.
I wouldn't be surprised if charges are dropped at some point. Not a strong case legally, factually, or in the opinion of the public.
What would that cross look like?
Ty's Laywer: Officer X. Was the bag of marijuana confiscated at Mr. Outlaw's residence labeled with his name on it?
Office X: No
Ty's Lawyer: Okay. Did you interrogate the bag of marijuana back at the station? (Just here for comic relief)
Officer X: Interrogate a bag of marijuana?
Ty's Lawyer: Yes.
Officer X: No
Ty's Lawyer: So without a label and the bag of marijuana identifying itself as Outlaw's property: How did you establish ownership?
Officer X: It was found in his room.
Ty's Lawyer: And could anyone else at any time before your search have had access to Mr. Outlaw's room?
Officer X: Yes
Ty's Lawer: So without a label and a confession from a bag of marijuana and the possibility someone else had access to his room: is it possible that the marijuana may not belong to Mr. Outlaw?
Officer X: No (Pretty much has to say this otherwise there's no point in showing up)
Ty's Lawer: Thank you, Officer X
The previous highly fictitious exchange would only happen at a trial. GIven that his path to exoneration is based on reasonable doubt is there any way his counsel could get the charges dropped? I would think only if the prosecutor was willing to admit the evidence is weak, which is unlikely. There's nothing in it for them to drop the case. It's taxpayer money that's funding their activities so no reason to make a financial decision on non-pursuit. Ugh.
Honestly, given the absurdity of the situation, I would probably go bigger on some of the bullshit (and I have in the past).
I like to break it down to the absurd. It would give the cop nice little bites that he either has to take, or end up looking like a clueless moron. Frankly I don't care what the cop has to say (beyond 'it wasn't in a giant safe marked 'OUTLAW'S DRUGS STAY THE FUCK OUT'.)
My entire trial strategy is focused around my evidence. I would throw up at least a whole day of outrageously high profile alibi witnesses. Think Buzz, Whit, Sands, NAW, the announcers of both the 1st weekend games, whoever coordinates travel for the basketball, team the official score keepers. Complete with all of his highlights from both games. It would hurt. Everyone would be laughing and hate the DA for putting them through it.
Pretty sure if you subpoenaed Buzz, Whit, and Sands, you would be the hated one.
I'm always the hated one.
Sometimes I forget that other people don't know/assume that.
That super impressive list of scary items reminds me of these dopey police seizure photos.
In the UK, those most easily are being illegally carried as a weapon.
Some poor electrician somewhere now has no tools I mean come on do they gotta take a man's Klein's?
Electrician? This is England, so they could belong to a dentist.
Are you kidding? England doesn't have dentists.
And (most likely) none of it can be proven to belong to Ty. Could be the property of the roommate(s). As far as the pills, it seems like he's only being charged with the weed for now
I'm surprised they didn't toss in a single bullet casing and a wad of 1 dollar bills with a 100 on top to make their bust seem like a OMGHUGEBUST!
Is there nothing beneath Coach K? /s
News hit espn now...Duke fans in a frenzie on the Twitter
"NNOOOOOOOOOOO"
Seems to me like the simple answer is to test him after finding out about the arrest. If positive, it is a violation of team rules and he sits. If negative, possession would have to be proven in court. I dont know if they can legally require him to take a drug test (I dont know the rules on that). But if he refuses to voluntarily test and he was charged, he has to sit in my opinion. It sucks. Any opinion on the severity of pot usage is irrelevant.
The school can test him whenever they want.
Edit: I think the NCAA can also test whenever they want.
Welp, it's official. We're a basketball school now.
It's up to Whit if he plays or not, it's a misdemeanor offense so not an automatic suspension. Court date isn't until April 11 so innocent until proven guilty...
VT is currently looking at Ryan Odom, Mick Cronin, and Greg Marshall per sauces, also.
The trolling of UVA with Ryan Odom at the helm would be
Also:
VT Head Basketball Coach Prospect Power Rankings
1. Gregg Marshall
2. Ryan Odom
POWER GAP
3. Seth Greenberg II Electric Boogaloo
POWER GAP
9001. Mick Cronin
Fuck Seth Greenberg
On a serious note, why in this thread?
Doh.
I'm imagining that vatech03, like me, didn't notice which thread they were in :)
Is Officer Rose a Duke fan?
I had a friend once who got addicted to jazz cabbage. Was a tremendous let down to see him suffer from such an affliction.
Last name checks out /s
Why any commonwealth attorney would take this case or magistrate would approve a warrant is beyond me. I had people in the middle of the street arguing with drugs in bags at their feet and we couldn't charge them with possession and they are charging him after a search became of the odor outside his residence while he wasn't home and charging him with possession? This seems a ready made Turk case.
If this is an apartment, how did he determine the odor was emanating from his apartment and not the apartment across the hall or corridor, etc?
Typically my mantra with jazz cabbage, and I even say this as someone who doesn't partake, is you're not necessarily dumb for smoking it, you're just dumb if you're flagrant enough about it to get caught. In this case he wasn't even really being dumb though? I honestly feel for the kid. I know it's against the law, but this has got to be the lamest pettiest possession charge I've ever seen.
Everybody put on the pressure and send this tweet: @montgomeryva Does your Commonwealth Attorney have anything better to do than issuing a questionable summons? #FreeTy
I didn't think much could top Virginia driving laws, but it has been done.
Who amongst us hasn't caught a charge or two their 1st or 2nd senior year in Blacksburg? If you didnt have a misdemeanor by then, you weren't doing VT right.
I refuse to clutch my pearls over a bs weed charge. People saying Ty shouldn't play are crazy.
That kid has overcome more than a lot here know. Roxboro NC is no joke and he got out of there and got two degrees, a master, plays D1 ball, plays an instrument. Been at VT for like 11 years and never a hint of trouble.
You teetotalers need to get off your high horses and look at the whole picture. It would be a travesty of justice to sit Ty Outlaw.
What instrument does he play?
I believe the saxophone. Heard it when he was interviewed on tech talk live
Literally nothing is going to happen to him from a basketball standpoint.
Maybe not from a college basketball standpoint... but it might harm his professional prospects somewhat.
Weed being a problem at the pro level?
I love Ty as much as the next Hokie, but the dude ain't going pro in basketball.
I bet he will. Just not in the NBA
Exactly. And something tells me that the lower-level teams are going to be less tolerant of legal bullshit than the NBA is.
Also, I guess I said something funny, judging from the response I got, but since I don't watch the NBA I was making an assumption based on how the NFL overreacts to marijuana use. I've learned that the NBA is probably not nearly as strict, thank you all.
Doesn't watch NBA, but makes assumptions on lower tier pro leagues...hmmmm
Maybe I'm making an ass out of u and me, but my assumption is based on the idea that lower payout means lower risk, as well as the idea that once you get below the top-tier in any field the talent pool at a given level is much larger, so you're even less likely to need to take a chance on a problem child (not saying Outlaw is one, just saying from a scout's point of view) since there's likely a similar level of talent available with less baggage.
But you're right, I obviously know nothing about anything, you should probably disregard everything I've ever said on the subject.
You do understand that pot is legal in many of the places pro basketball is played, including many teams here in the US, right?
A) The NBA still tests for marijuana, even for those that play in states where marijuana is "legal", and anyone who tests positive can be suspended for violating the substance abuse policy. And I say "legal" because, technically, at any time the US DOJ could crack down on the marijuana industry in states that have passed legislation regulating it.
B) Even if it is legal in one state, a player being charged with a crime in another state is not a good look. You can debate all you want whether it should or should not be illegal, but a crime is a crime.
Some crimes are more significant than others.
And the police routinely ignore some crimes, while blowing others out of proportion.
Yes, and yes.
However, the whole point of what I was saying was that a conviction might hinder his (admittedly limited) professional basketball prospects somewhat. Not that this would be the difference between him finding a team somewhere and never playing the game again, or anything.
In any case, I'm out. Apparently my knowledge of the subject matter is too lacking to carry on a conversation here. Is there any way to mute a thread from the "unread replies" tracker?
Yes. When you see said thread in your unread replies tracker, just ignore it. ;^)
I hope this young man comes out and plays the game of his life against Duke. Go Hokies.
Couple things about this:
A) There was no press conference so not sure what that's about
B) That facebook profile, which seems public, did not have that post on it when I checked last night and this morning. Is it possible that one specific post was made private? Sure. But that wouldn't fit in with the rest of the profile.
I anticipate Outlaw playing on Friday. But I'm not sure if that screenshot should be taken as cold hard truth.
Dammit Henry
Interesting....or could have been later deleted by suggestion of vt, attorneys, buzz, etc...
Guess we'll find out soon!
Come on now she was probably told to take it down while this case is ongoing... I think you're reading way too much into that post not being there right now
This. (And that's twitter, not facebook...)
It's a tweet with a screenshot from FB
Outlaw's mom with the KO
Studying for a drug test? Just misspoke or am I supposed to laugh?
It's a joke. I tell people all the time that I have to study for my whiz quiz.
The alarming thing to me here - the police conducting raids on college students' apartments and all they can come up with are some simple possession charges? Seems a little ridiculous.
Not sure I'd classify it as a raid. They had a warrant to search.
I mean, isn't that what a raid is? There isn't another scenario where they can just bust down the doors without a warrant.
Where'd you hear that Outlaw's doors were busted down? Maybe they used warrant and rental office just let them in with a key.
Right. Serving a warrant is a lot different than a raid where a door is busted in. And his door wasn't busted down.
Raid/search warrant, whatever you want to call it. The police still have to convince a judge/magistrate that they have probable cause to find some illicit thing(s) in the residence. You can comply with the warrant or they will forcibly enter. Usually that doesn't happen just for a small amount of weed, so I guess they expected to find a whole lot more and came up with little to nothing.
And all they needed according to the report in RT was an officer smelling "weed" to obtain a search warrant. Not asking to enter the residence on probable cause, but a search warrant. An officer went to a judge/magistrate and said he/she smelled weed outside an apartment complex, but no one answered the door, so they were given permission to enter the residence. It seems ridiculous that the only evidence needed to obtain a search warrant is an officers sense of smell.
Perhaps Ty and Chris, or a neighbor, simply had a pet skunk! Would have served the officers right getting a face full.
I had an interaction a few months back with SC police on a traffic stop similar. I was pulled over on I-85 and the officer gave me a written warning for my VT Alumni plate banner obscuring part of "South Carolina" on my license plate (as if he could really see that from the median as I'm going 75 in the middle lane). While we were talking behind my car (he asked me to step out to show me the plate) he asked to search, which I declined. He then retrieved his K9 from his car and made a pass around my vehicle - the dog alerted. That's all he needed to then have free reign over my car and tear it apart, not returning anything to its original locations.
Of course there was nothing to be found - I'm not a drug user and could be randomly tested for work. But he was convinced that because his dog told him there was something there I had to be guilty. He finally let me go after about 35 minutes.
The point is that if the police want to search something they're going to get permission somehow. Who knows why that dog alerted. Maybe it was chemical odor from the factory I was in that day, maybe the dog smelled my dog's shedded fur in the back seat, maybe the officer intentionally/unintentionally falsely triggered the dog to alert. It's one of those scenarios where I know I have nothing to hide, but was terrified that the officer would pop up from under the hood with "Oh, what's this you have here?" and I'd be hauled off to jail.
Says the guy with a Steal Your Face avatar.
Kidding, I am a non-drug using deadhead. We do exist
Expand your mind with the music, man.
I do have a GD bear sticker on the back of my car, too so that might have made him suspicious.
Nice. I got this one on my jeep. I might end up missing Dead & Co. this summer, sucks seen them 3 years running now.
Never been in that situation, but I guess I am enough of an optimist to believe that cops are inherently honest and would just say sure search away. But the only things in my truck are a Tylenol bottle and a Sams club container of atomic fire balls.
Blacksburg Police... really, bless their hearts.
I'm skeptical of this post.
Wait, who is his roommate again
oooooooooooooooh
He's not on the basketball team.
If what she posted is true, and if he does in fact live with Chris Clarke, then why can't we find charges against Clarke? I searched the court records website and see charges against Outlaw, but none against Clarke.
Her post wasn't public, only her friends would see it.
Perfect, that's a great catch. Shows how much I use facebook!
Sherlock Holmes level analysis here, good catch.
I don't know her personally, but I have no doubt Ty Outlaw's mom is an unbelievably awesome person.
Found Ty's mom's alternate account. (See above as well...)
It's kind of ridiculous that smelling weed is enough legal justification to break into and search someone's house.
They didn't break into anyone's apartment.
0% chance that's why they did that. They were there for something else and found the weed/smoking.
Maybe I heard the story wrong. I thought they went for some kind of narcotics call but nobody was home, then it smelled like weed outside so they went and got a search warrant.
The definition of "probable cause" is very loose and without video, you can't prove whether probable cause was found prior to any investigation action.
I know here in NC, if the cops smell weed, they can go in. It's a big reason that many cops don't want it legalized.
It's not that they want to bust every Tom, Dick, and Cheech for smoking, but it does give probable cause to go in a house to look for other stuff like heavier narcotics, sex trafficking, weapons, domestic abuse, etc.
Imagine not wanting to legalize weed so you can retain the ability to search anyone at anytime because you claimed to smell something. I get your explanation but I am not a fan of liberty being taken away veiled as public safety.
I'm generally more pro-police than anti-police, but they (and the out of control for-profit prison system in this country) want to keep it illegal because it's good for business.
"I'd suspect that if it is in the apartment, it would be in the middle shoe box on the right hand side shelf in the closet. Remember, the back left room, the one with the VT poster hanging just above the bed. Just a hunch."
He's been cleared, going to play!!
My sauce just told me that as well, you beat me to it! Police were given a key by management to enter apartment complex. Said apartment complex sent multiple letters to stop the reefer madness which didn't happen so cops were involved.
We good.
Ty gonna come out and drop 8 or 9 threes methinks
for good measure.
SIAP, but Woody nailed it here IMO
Paul Woody: Virginia Tech makes right decision in letting Outlaw play in Sweet 16
something something broken clock....
Roanoke Times Article
Jimmy Turk has been saving our guys asses for years. We owe this man a lot.
Jimmy Turk vs. Daniel L. Crandell, who you got?
The beard wins every time.
Turk please, especially after all the shady stuff around Crandall
*Google Daniel L. Crandell*
Oh damn. Well Turk wins.
Oh it can't be that ba.....
Oh... oh no...
like a home at the beach, that story is a little sand dusty
I am assuming this is related to the pills found in the apartment which you assume would also be tied to Clarke. Seems like they let him get off for skipping while they finish compiling their charges.
Regardless of Turk's good deed, Outlaw was an idiot for not being there. It might have been dismissed if he had been there.
I like how we're all glossing over the April 7 felony drug charge...(separate and apart from the possession charge while he was in CA)