Quarterback Competition Highlights Virginia Tech Spring Game

The Hokies' signal callers will work to separate themselves and may even see some live action.

[Virginia Tech Athletics]

There's a quarterback competition underway in Blacksburg. To make a timely Master's reference, it's become "a tradition unlike any other," Yes, to be fair, it's only spring time, hardly the time when depth charts are sharpied in. However, with the Virginia Tech spring game on deck Saturday, three guys still taking first team reps might make for an anxious off-season, but that's not how Justin Fuente sees it.

"When you know, you know, you make the decision and you move forward," said Fuente. "I've never really believed in delaying a decision or delaying that position for other reasons other than when we know, we put it out there."

It's quite the unique situation that Fuente has found himself in. It's his fourth year at the helm of the Hokies, and the only two-year starter at QB he's had at Tech (Josh Jackson), suffered a season-ending injury in game three last season. But having three guys who can compete for the job is certainly one of those good problems to have.

Just heed his warning and, "don't read too much into" their spring game performance for who might take the first snap against Boston College.

Contrary to years past, the spring game may be treated more like an actual game of football, as opposed to a glorified, running clock practice. Although the exact format is still to be determined, it potentially might even include some live quarterback play. That environment should garner a better determinant of where Ryan Willis, Quincy Patterson II, and Hendon Hooker stand in their development.

"We'll make a final decision after practice on Thursday when I see the injury report. That's the sole determining factor of how we do this," said Fuente. "But, I'm leaning towards maybe creating a situation where we do a little bit more on the field than we have in the last couple years. Maybe we're not being as tied into a clock as much as being tied into good reps, creating some situational work with the offense and defense.

"It'll be good for our young to team to get in front of people and play a few more snaps than they've played in the past. Maybe make it looks a little bit more like a traditional scrimmage for us."

One player certainly looking forward to live action is Patterson.

"I like to talk mess to my teammates," joked Patterson. "It'd definitely be fun trying to back up the offense and rather than just getting tagged off actually getting taken to the ground, it's a little more realistic I guess you could say."

It's also an opportunity for Patterson to demonstrate he's grasped the playbook. Last season, he featured mostly in short-yardage runs. That's a role he thrives in as a bigger runner, but admittedly wants to expand.

"I'm a quick learner," said Patterson. "Coming from the high school that I came from, the offense wasn't as complicated as it is here. But, I think I've gotten a pretty good grasp on it."

Willis' plethora of reps via starts last season certainly afforded him a solid grasp of the offense.

"I know what I'm doing," said Willis. "I know our offense pretty well. It's not so much like what our guys are doing, it's more so I'm looking [at] what the defense's doing. That's what I'm trying to improve on."

Spring football, in reality, is mostly about development. Depth chart competition is a thing for fall camp, no matter how much Twitter wants to think otherwise. As a guy head into his fourth college camp, Willis understands that.

"Springtime's just about getting better," said Willis. "Getting some timing down with your receivers, working on your personal game. Competition's great. We're pushing each other every day, but I don't see this spring as any different [than] any spring before."

What Willis possesses in experience and, at the moment at least, arm talent is what Patterson knew he needed to work on this spring.

"You come to play college quarterback to kind of be that all-around quarterback, not just do kinda what I did last year," said the former engineering recently turned business major. "But, even if my role stayed the same this year I'd just be happy to be on the field. But being able to do everything is a plus and I'd be happy to do that as well.

"I've had countless training hours, a bunch of film, workouts and stuff like that. I've done the things outside of my school to make sure that I'm good enough to [pass the ball] on this level."

Fuente understands that learning process. It's tough, but it's just part of college football.

"Some guys are ahead mentally but far behind physically; some guys are flip-flopped," said Fuente. "They're very developed physically but are learning to catch up to the speed of the game and the intricacies of playing ball. On a whole, I think he's done a tremendous job of not getting impatient but also having urgency to improve. To me, that's the balance. Guys want to get better, they have an urgency to be good right now, but also they're not impatient in understanding that there's a little bit of a process that comes with this. I think he's done a good job of this."

Don't overlook that aforementioned injury report. Both Patterson and Hooker have had some injury hurdles this spring. Patterson got a nasty gash on his finger, which prevented a decent grip on the ball while throwing.

"Went to throw the ball, hit one of my tackles in the back of the head, just kind of gashed my finger," said Patterson. "I still practiced for the most part. It limited my throwing ability and stuff like that, but for the most part I was still there. The mental reps were still there. So, I didn't miss much."

Hooker has been dealing with a twisted ankle, which has kept him from some of the more live contact parts of practice, but has still been able to compete reps for the most part.

Spring standout tight end James Mitchell, who Dax Hollifield lauded, suffered a broken finger which required surgery. His level of participation Saturday is still to be determined.

Regardless of injuries, the spring game should be a good glimpse into a Hokies squad that benefits from a bevy of snaps under its belt. For a Virginia Tech program that's left the outside world in the dark during the longer April days, a full-on scrimmage shapes up as quite the event.

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Quincy "This isn't even my final form" Patterson ladies and gentlemen.

I will unapologetically say that our best quarterback is now in College Park Maryland, and losing him was huge blow to our chances this season. That being said it's easily Willis's job this year barring an incredible improvement in the passing game for Hooker or Patterson. Overall I'm pretty pessimistic about the position which usually I'm too optimistic about. Our success on offense this year will hinge on our ability to run the ball and on the receivers being able to get open and make plays on innacurrately thrown balls.

I'm gonna say sorry but your wrong about our best QB being in Maryland now

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You're allowed to think whatever you want but everyone I've heard take that position (I'm assuming you think Willis is better) cherry picks Willis's good plays and Jackson's bad ones. I like consistency, production (efficiency not gross numbers), and good decision making. Jackson was better in all of those categories and had fewer pieces and a worse offensive line than Willis did last year. That's my case and I'm sticking to it. Don't mean to rehash this debate, it's already happened a few times on this site, but to me it's just a fact.

Jackson was just straight up worse than Willis in most categories, the only thing that makes his numbers look equal is that his stats were padded slightly more from more non conference play. Granted he did play well in his difficult NC game against WVU. I know you say you do not care about gross numbers but its pretty staggering if you take a look at splits, and how that non-ACC schedule generated so much of Jackson's seasonal scoring production.

Lets go ahead and compare base stats of both ACC play and then non-conference play

Conference:
2017 Jackson: 58.3%, 1823 YD's, 10 TD, 7 INT, (82 Rushes, 112 YD's)
2018 Willis: 57%, 1681 YD's, 15 TD, 7 INT, (79 Rushes, 283 YD's)

Non-Conference:
2017 Jackson: 65.2% 1127 YD's, 11 TD, 1 INT (32 Rushes 144 YD's)
2018 Willis: 61%, 971 YD's 9 TD, 2 INT (33 Rushes, 64 YD's)

Realized I forgot to include Jackson's 3 sophomore games so I will list their stats separate:
2018 Jackson: 62.1%, 575 YD's, 5 TD's, 1 INT (20 Rushes 61 YD's)

Take a look at the defense Willis had behind him and compare it to what Jackson had. Granted Jackson was a freshman, but his defense meant he was not put in the obviously worse situations Willis was put in where the passing game is completely predictable.

You say you want to talk about efficiency and the QB is in charge of the offense right?
Hokie notable OFFENSE advanced statistics
Jackson: 71st in Offensive S&P, 120th in ISOPPP+*, 53rd in Passing S&P, 45th in Standard down S&P, 116th in Passing down S&P
Willis: 41st in Offensive S&P, 50th in ISOPPP+*, 25th in Passing S&P, 33rd in Standard down S&P, 35th in passing down S&P

Both offenses ranked outside the top 50 in rushing S&P
2017: 81st
2018: 55th

*ISOPPP+ is a measure of offensive explosiveness*

S&P is based around the "core 5 factors" efficiency, explosiveness, field position, finishing drives, and turnovers.

So the numbers are generally in favor of Willis's team when it comes to offensive S&P, BUT you might say something like "It was not just Willis that increased offensive efficiency, offensive line, WR's, etc". There isn't exactly a metric I know of that separates QB play from offensive efficiency, but passing S&P and particularly the EGREGIOUS disparity in passing down S&P tell the story better than I ever could. Purely conjecture, but if 2018 Willis had Jackson's 2017 defense we probably would have gone to the ACC championship.

Thanks for doing this. I'd also add that Ryan "deceptively fast" Willis was more of a contributor in the run game than JJ was. Also:

you might say something like "It was not just Willis that increased offensive efficiency, offensive line, WR's, etc".

The only game we have as a true apples to apples comparison between JJ and RW was the ODU game, and I distinctly remember thinking that RW looked like he was playing better.

Ryan "deceptively fast" Willis

Willis is also a real gym rat. And a real student of the game

Sneaky athleticism...

Sounds about white.

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Ironically, the first black player I ever heard someone say he had a "nonstop motor" was Darryl Tapp...i think this is when they were showing those clips during the 2005 UVA game and when took D'Brickashaw Ferguson's soul

I remember Corey Moore being described that way.

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Yeah...i can see that..

A first guy in last guy out kinda player.

Thanks for the factual stats. Great post.

Comparing freshman Jackson numbers vs Willis last year is out of context. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but stats always have context.

Example - what would jackson's stats have been last year? What players did each have to play with? 2017 was not 2018 and although stats can be a reference point, making it the sole decision point is always a mistake (as any coach would tell you). Now, does that change the decision if Willis or Jackson was better? Maybe/maybe not.

I would suggest this - how many times last year did the offense miss a check/call that would have resulted in a score/big play under Willis that they wouldn't have missed under Jackson? I don't know the exact answer, but the number is significant.

Let's hope Willis gets better this year or the offense will be relatively easy to scout and prep for due to not utilizing the middle of the field in obvious passing situation.

everyone I've heard take that position (I'm assuming you think Willis is better) cherry picks Willis's good plays and Jackson's bad ones.

That is a very subjective formula for proving your version of a "Fact".

Jackson was better in all of those categories
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That's my case and I'm sticking to it. Don't mean to rehash this debate, it's already happened a few times on this site, but to me it's just a fact.

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Its really not a debate. Josh Jackson was not the best QB on the team...and its not a fact.

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If Jackson was the best, he'd still be in Blacksburg. Gotta think he bailed becuase he knew. You practice side by side...you know who's got the edge. You're closer to Chap's Pitt Beef BBQ in College Park...but that's about the only thing that place has going for it.

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Excellent point. He was the closest to the real evaluation process and had to see. If he felt he was so much better than Willis, it should have pampered his ego to stay and prove it.

Here's a fact; Jax can take his Dad-Bod to College Park and few will care.Dude was/is slow.

Dude was called out by Fu for not embracing the process, or some such thing.

The fact is that Willis is better and gives us a better chance to win. Jax was butthurt over losing his job to Willis but Fu has said that best man plays, regardless of circumstances. Think about that.

I find it interesting that Jackson earned the clear #1 spot over Willis relatively early in the process last year. He gets hurt, Willis leads the team to a losing season, Coaches struggle to say good things about him, and yet the consensus is that Willis is clearly better than JJ.

Who is to say Willis is the talent that JJ was discouraged to compete against?

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I mean it's a matter of opinion

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Lol, alright leg

Nicely played.

Actually, he is still in Blacksburg. I saw him downtown at the Cellar on Tuesday, and he is still limping from his break.

If this is the case, then we done fucked up

this comment makes me laugh more because it's from someone named "flatearther"

Jackson was mediocre IMO. All the great stories about him being a coach's son just reinforced for me that he was a guy who could visualize the game but lacked the elite physical tools to make big plays happen. If you could have Willis make Jackson's reads, then we'd have a great QB. That said, you can coach up a Willis or QP or Hooker but Jackson is never going to get more athletic. He was nothing but a game manager. That might have worked in other seasons but with last year's defense and RB situation that was a recipe for losing.

100% JJ was super average. If he was amazing he would still be here, simple as that.

Well, I think you are right for the most part. JJ has experience and won games and losing anyone with that capability is a huge loss. Is he the best QB in the room? Of those that played (JJ and Ryan) I tend to agree though I don't think the gap between the two is so monumental.

Where I disagree is if you are saying he is the QB with the highest ceiling. I am firmly on team QP in that regard, and the only way to test his ceiling is by putting him in the game to give him experience. He is either going to rise to the challenge or not. That may impact success this year if he struggles but QP is going to need to find his feet at some point. Rather it be sooner than later.

Willis has taken a big step forward this off season/Spring. Good anticipation and manipulating defenders. QPII is going to be good great.

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How do you know that Willis has "taken a big step forward"? Have you seen him practicing? A source?

No other sauces... just my own eyes.

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Heard that he isn't even going to be the starter at UMD.

Same.

I think our best quarterback will be the one that the Coach selects to start against Boston College. "Our" kind of means that he is still going to Virginia Tech. If JJ felt he needed to move on for his career and education that is his prerogative and I wish him well. But I want a QB that wants to be a Hokie.

I think we deserve an apology....

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Why? What did he say that is egregiously wrong and deserving of an apology?

our best quarterback is now in College Park Maryland

Arguably true.

losing him [JJ] was huge blow to our chances this season

If he's the better QB (which is something that can be argued) then there's a greater chance of a loss in a toss-up game. Huge? Maybe not, but that's a matter of degree, not factual inaccuracy.

it's easily Willis's job this year barring an incredible improvement in the passing game for Hooker or Patterson

Truth. Hooker/Patterson need to get much better in the passing game, and that wasn't every really up for debate from those in the know.

Overall I'm pretty pessimistic about the position which usually I'm too optimistic about.

His opinion. Nothing to apologize for about that.

Our success on offense this year will hinge on our ability to run the ball and on the receivers being able to get open and make plays on innacurrately thrown balls.

I'm not seeing anybody arguing this. Willis may have a strong arm, but he isn't the most precision passer. And Hooker/Patterson still need great strides to become passing QBs. We're going to need a strong run game to balance what we have at QB.

For what is the apology needed?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Little Bobby....I was joking about an apology. He said this:

I will unapologetically say that our best quarterback is now in College Park Maryland

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Hmmmm. I get jokes.......sometimes.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I just love how you went full on breaking down every part of the comment trying to figure it out

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I had a 4 hour drive this morning and my thoughts mercifully turned to football.

Anyone who thinks JJ had an edge on Willis is crazy. We haven't had a true Senior QB for a while. There's something special about them. I can't wait to get Willis on the field, I will almost be a little sad if QPII wins this, but our best QB is 100% in Blacksburg BAY BAY.

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I think JJ and RW are were pretty comparable at the start of last season, and I think we have a pretty similar record regardless of if JJ stayed healthy. Worth noting that the stats clearly show that RW is the more explosive player. I thought RW was a lot more turnover-prone, but apparently that's just in my head.

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The turnover numbers are actually pretty easy to check. Nowadays, you can look them up on the internet, instead of verifying them in your head.

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Ummmm no

Let's ride the QP train with Wilis as the competent backup and Hooker as a wildcat. I always want my Hookers going buckwild...

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If the wildcat only (tries to) runs, it a death nail to him, unless the O-line is awesome. I really don't like seeing talent being so restricted reduced to one dimension.

I'm still in support of this, but only if QP has the mindset to take some hits (physically and mentally) and learn from them. Willis has shown us what he is, and he's a true Hokie, but I'd still like to see us develop a younger QB and take that risk.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

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I don't know anything about football coaching, but he seems like a coach who can really relate the players and get them fully engaged. I was impressed with that video.

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Hope to see Kadum take a few reps. All this talk about QP, Willis and Hooker..... someone gets hurt and Kadum could surprise us all. Like Fu says...you only know when you know. Sounds like something Yogi Berra would say.

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Sounds like something Yogi Berra would say.

Or Biggie Smalls

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Kadum needs to get into the strength program. He is not ready for ACC football yet physically.
Willis will start this year, hopefully incorporating QP into some sets and getting him some legit game action. Then QP is all set for the next year, with 3 years of eligibility.

Willis is fast, athletic, and has a strong arm. He is a scrapper that will not shy away from the big hit. He has the athleticism to make things happen with his arms and his legs.
I think his potential this year is vastly underrated...especially if Fuente lets him open things up a little bit to utilize both Turner and Hazelton.

The notion that Jackson was our best QB is ludicrous.

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This is how I think it plays out:
-Willis wins the job for Boston College: he's the safe pick. You're know what you're going to get. He knows the offense. He's the best option for Week 1.

After that, there are two paths:
1) Willis takes firm control of the job and never looks back
2) Willis is erratic and eventually cedes the spot to QP as the schedule is easier through the middle.

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"I know what I'm doing," said Willis. "I know our offense pretty well."

"I just don't know what read to take when the play is live, but I do really know the offense. Honest!"

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I think he's trying to say that he discovered he has more receivers than just Hazelton.

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I think it's best to ride on Fuente and his coaches to determine which QB starts. It's their jobs that are on the line. Our opinions are not going to impact the decision one way or the other. That being said what kind of ruckus would we have if at the end of summer camp Hooker or Kadum were the best QB.

No ruckus? We know what we have in Willis now. If someone beats out Willis, then we know that player is better.

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So much bickering about Jackson vs Willis. I mean flip a coin, they're pretty much the same QB, and regardless of which one is behind center we'll be ok. Jackson transferred? Ok, well then with Willis we'll still be just fine.

My concern is that if we really want to get to where we want to be, contending for division and conference titles and actively in the national conversation winning high profile games in the national spotlight, we are going to need QB play to be significantly better and more consistent than what either of them have shown the last couple years. We need another Jerrod Evans kind of season long performance where our QB is able to take over a game and will us to a victory. That's my biggest worry, and that's the potential I am looking to see this spring. I hear that QP has that kind of potential, now I just need to see it.

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Not sure I agree. If Willis's play this year is identical to last year but we add in a top 20 defense, I think we are right where you want us to be.

Willis has a bad habit of consistently making the wrong read on the read option, which stagnates our run game. I don't disagree that is a good QB, but even if we have our defense return to where we want it to be, we're still going to be limited by his play. He's a good player that won't lose us games, but he hasn't shown the kind of consistency and decision making that will win us games that we otherwise shouldn't. And that is something we are going to need with a roster that just isn't as talented across the board as the teams we want to be included in the discussion with and would need to beat to meet our goals.

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There are rumors - take them as you will - that Willis has made strides developing his game since last season. If that's true, we might be in good shape, since pretty much all the knocks against him were regarding his reads. Physically he has all the tools.

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I'd love it if its true. As you said, he has the tools, but they aren't worth much if the decision making is wrong.

But this is one of those things that we need to see to believe, and we're really not going to get that opportunity until the BC game.

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Willis has a bad habit of consistently making the wrong read on the read option

Seems like something that is easily fixed with coaching though.

Through 4 years of college, he's been a no read QB on the ground and a one read in the air...apparently not easily fixed.

I'm hoping Burmeister gets a waiver.

He was getting backup reps in a new system and was likely mainly throwing to backup receivers. While not perfect last year, I think he vastly outperformed his expectation as a no name transfer from Kansas. Not sure what you were expecting. He played well enough to win most games if we had a typical VT defense. He acknowledged in his interview that now he is not only thinking about the offenses responsibility presnap but is seeing what the defense is doing. I am optimistic that he can be more consistent this year.

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I also like his competitiveness, highlighted by a bad read throw at the end of the half vs UVA that should have been a pick six. He stiff arms the ref and chases down the DB who had the angle on him.

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I actually thought he had very good potential coming in (he has an NFL caliber arm) and to be clear, I would like him to be very successful. I don't pull for one Hokie QB to win the job over another.

My comment was aimed at the notion that his lack of skill in making reads is something that is easily remedied. This was his 3rd spring in Fuente's system, not his second, and it is clearly very difficult for him. He also spent his redshirt year playing pitch and catch with Hazleton, who was also sitting out...so arguably our best receiver.

Willis is an experienced, veteran college QB. Hopefully the light comes on and he takes the next step. It would significantly open up the running game and the Hokies will be very competitive if he does.

"Easily fixed" as in something to do with making a read, which can feasibly be corrected during the offseason. As opposed to a raw athletic limitation like throwing accuracy or arm strength. Sheesh.

Burmeister legit can't throw the ball. He's as much a running QB as anyone is.

It's fixed with experience, aptitude for quick decisions and talent. You can bet this has been coached to death and the reality is he was terrible in the read option game last year. He consistently missed the read and it cost the Hokies.

Can he improve this issue? Certainly. However, there is only so much coaching to be done here. At some point the player either can handle the moment or he can't.

I agree the inconsistency in the run read game was a bit maddening and often put us behind schedule. He throws the deep and fade routes extremely well, which we finally have receivers who can make a play on the ball. I am hopeful he will improve on the simple reads and simple throws. If he doesn't, then it is up to the coaches to call plays to his strengths or coach up a better QB option. I just think it's unfair for most fans to expect a heisman candidate quarterback out of this kid in his first action at a new school. Most college QB play is inconsistent and mediocre, even from high profile and highly rated prospects (I can think of several Miami qbs who were down right terrible).

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Tbf the guy was also a transfer last year, I mean there were definitely some hand wringing moments with jerod as well but his shear athleticism made up for the mistakes. I'm hopeful that Willis can improve after a year of reps with his guys

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Bingo, we need a defense. The difference from Jackson to willis is a defense that doesnt make our offense desperate

The numbers bear out that its not a coin flip. Willis was more effective and explosive.

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That's a good point about Evans. Your QB needs to be able to take over sometimes and win a game. Tbf though, that's what Willis did twice last season against UVA and UNC. He's not a consistent thrower, but he has a better arm than any of the other options including JJ.

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And throw up a prayer and have it answered by Keene against UVA.

But, his 88 rushing yards against UNC were crucial. Including the 4th and 9 run on the last drive.

We would have lost the UNC game If JJ was in on the last drive.

Hokliesports roster is showing some new guys that I am assuming are walkons. One is a QB that prepped at Fork Union for 2 years, Luke Bussel.

Willis will be 3rd team All Acc. Mark it down

Willis had college experience but had limited experience in Fuente's system taking back up reps last year. I am optimistic he can make significant progress in his reads and delivering the ball on time to the right read with a full off season as the projected starter. The kid has a live arm. He often focused in on his first read and Hazelton. I suspect this will improve.

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Did Quincy change majors because of the workload of the major combined with the workload of football? Was this just a finding himself thing that he realized that's not what he wants to do everyday? Like a hobby that he thought would be fun to do everyday but once in it you realize it is better suited to be a hobby.

I'm not saying its the wrong move, he's got to do what's best for him, just this is the first I've heard of this.

I saw he responded to a question on IG that he switched to business because he wasn't enjoying the engineering courses. Didn't say more than that.

Honestly that is all he needs to say. That's also a good reason to switch. Thanks for the info.

At the same time I don't know anyone who actually enjoyed those weed out freshman engineering courses.

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I don't remember the material ever being challenging, they just made it so damn tedious. I hated the second semester more, but that also had to do with my obnoxious and condescending professor. Disliked him so much I didn't go to a class after the first week (thank God I could listen in online)

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That's a bit of a bummer. I felt like our engineering school was a big reason why QP came to Virginia Tech.

A lot of athletes don't realize just how difficult it will be to balance training and playing with studying engineering at tech. You basically have to sacrifice most if not all of your free time to be successful in both. Business is a lot less demanding, and you can still be pretty successful after college.

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A lot of engineering students change to business freshman year, whether committing time to a sport or not. I don't thinks is reasonable to assume football is the main reason he switched. It could have been a factor, but just as easily could not have been.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I'd prefer to think it was the way I suggested, because I don't like the optics of suggesting he might not be able to hack it as an engineer

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Definitely agree with you...I'd like to think that a student that could have gotten into VT's engineering school "through the front door" (4.4 GPA in high school, 680 SAT Math) could have "hacked it" if he didn't have a full time unpaid internship on top of his academic responsibilities.

I felt like QP has the potential to be our version of Myron Rolle as there are not a lot of humans who are intelligent enough to be a VT engineer and athletic enough to be a VT football player. It's disappointing to hear that he's not pursing engineering anymore.

Academic prowess isn't enough in Engineering at VT. In other words, it takes more than smarts. You have to REALLY want to be an engineer to get through that major. Back when I was at Tech (94-98) a BS in Engineering required 136 credit hours while a standard BS required 120. That's a whole extra semester of hard classes crammed into 4 years. They basically overload you with work and force you to choose between getting your degree and pretty much everything else. His SAT score indicates he would not have a problem completing the course work.

Unpopular opinion: this is a false narrative pushed by people who coasted through high school on "academic prowress" but had a rude awakening when they got to college. The truth is, a lot of people do well in high school but aren't nearly as capable as their teachers/parents convince them they are. Engineering ups the ante and they have to work like hell when they expected to keep coasting. However, there are also plenty of kids who can just keep on coasting and do well in engineering and still get the full college experience.
Personally, I was able to play ridiculous amounts of video games, go on road trips, play intramural sports, be in student leadership of a registered organization, date my future wife, pull off magma cum laude and land a job and I still regret not doing more with my spare time.

I'm not special either. A lot of the guys I went through ME with had very active lives outside of engineering.

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I have a BS in ME from VT that I have used once in my life to help a neighbor build a vent cover for his VW bus that would keep the heat from shutting off at over 50 MPH. I wish I had majored in something else, but not because of how hard or easy it was, or that I could not, or did not want to, do the class work, but because I realized I did not want be an engineer. All I was trying to say above is that not everyone who changes a major does it because they can't cut it, so let's not assume that.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I hope what I wrote did not assume that. Wanting to spend your time differently is not a matter of not being able to cut it. Like all things, it's about priorities and what you want out of a particular experience. I REALLY wanted to be an engineer and still enjoy it.

So... I'm not sure if you were trying to be humble and failed, or if this was veiled bragging.

The chances are your standardized test scores were at least in the high 80th percentile if not higher. Given when you started VT I would assume they were in the 90s. That's not "not special". "Not special" is 50th percentile or below... Which is average to below average. Graduating Magna Cum Laude is also not "not special". We get it, you're smart.

I think what he is saying is that some Engineers like to say that they had no life except studying, which just isnt the case. I would have 2-3 hours homework whereas my roommates had virtually none. That was the difference. However, I would argue tests were easier to study for (less time consuming) in Engineering than some class requiring memorization because the work had already been put in to complete the homework. I had alot of time to do what I wanted. And, for what its worth, my SAT and GPA were both exactly average for my incoming freshman VT class.

All that said, I can't imagine the fall semester of Engineering courses working with a football schedule. Most engineering courses are offered either spring or fall and rarely summer, so it would be difficult to take a light fall course load.

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I think there's no real competition here, and Willis is the guy. I think he's going to be ready to lead this team as QB1 out of the gate and has cleaned some things up in his game. I think Willis could be really good for us this year. QP has loads of potential, but it's just that at this point - potential. I think he's got all the tools but is a more long-term product than a day 1 impact. Give him some time, but this is Willis' team no question this year.

This may very well be true in the end. However, I would expect HH and QP to be improving at a faster rate than Willis at this point in their respective careers. If their ceilings are as much higher than Willis' as we all expect, it would not be unheard of for either to surpass Willis. It isn't necessarily warning flags if they don't, but we definitely shouldn't be discounting the possibility at this point of the year.

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Let's face it regardless of it being JJ or Ryan, neither of them would ever lead us to the NT. Either or both are good for us to have a decent season. We need to hope QP can take us to the next level..

Bro QP is not gonna lead us to a title either anytime soon, he's still a project, probably not gonna play big minutes this year (and I'm mean that's expected he's an r-Fresh

Nobody is going to lead us to a title anytime soon. The QB who won it last year was literally the guy everyone was gushing over at QP's Elite 11 as one of the best prospects ever.

If we ever win a natty in the near future, it'll be because the team as a whole did it together.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

You dont know if Mick Vick had a son that he hid away from everyone so he could train to be the greatest QB ever and he will walk on to VT unrecruited by everyone else and Vick Jr. will lead us to the national title.

But unfortunately that's literally the only way it could happen.

As electric as Vick was, the '99 team was absolutely loaded on both sides of the ball. It wasn't just him.

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Defense was loaded, but offense I never felt was loaded, more like just enough to help Vick. I couldn't tell you who was 2nd in receiving yards. Stith doesn't break the top 5 VT RBs, maybe not top 10. Vick made that offense loaded.

It's a spongebob joke. Has nothing to do this the QB competition.

Always choose joy.

I had no idea. I guess my cartoon references ended long before Spongebob.

The sad thing is when you realize Spongebob started roughly twenty years ago.

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I could easily see this year going a bunch of ways. Willis could start all year, or Willis and QP could pull a Glennon+Tyrod, or QP could be the starter out of the gate. The only thing I would really be surprised by is that HH will be the starter on day one.

I expect it to be Willis out of the gate, though. How it goes from there will depend on if we're winning games by mid-season.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

I agree. I think Willis gets the nod out of the gate. But if QP is real close behind as the #2 I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar to what Dabo did last season occur.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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Rooting for Hooker... Seriously impressive guy. Starting on his MBA in the spring. He's has everything between the ears... just needs a shot.

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Yep, I think people are quick to write him off, which is why he thought seriously about transferring. I think Willis the guy this season, but Hooker will have a chance to show out in any mop-up duty or injuries to Willis. QP will continue to run the situational package, but I think they let him throw it a few times this season.

Fuente won't go to a complete 2-QB rotation/system, but he is not hesitant to mix a second QB in to help spark the offense.

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QB Depth chart after what I saw at Spring Game:
1. Ryan Willis
2. Hendon Hooker
3. Quincy Patterson

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My Take: for the past 10-15 years, we had parts of the offense that were outstanding but did we have balance and consistency??? Examples:
QB: Tyrod years
RB: Wilson years
WR/TE Ford, Bucky, Cam year
OL: not sure

How great would it be if we had BALANCE and all units on offense were between "good and great" all at the same time? To me, that's what this coaching staff is focused on building!

I hope we have "stars", but I'm hoping even more we have quality and depth at each position that can WORK TOGETHER!

If we combine that kind of offense with even 70% of a traditional Bud Foster Defense (that in years past had that kind of balance)... now we are ready to compete for ACC championships!

A lot of Tyrod's season's had a well balanced offense except for maybe OL. Take 2010 for example, everyone listed played in the NFL at some point:
QB: Tyrod
RB: Ryan Williams, Darren Evans and David Wilson (KR)
WR: Danny Coale, Boykin
TE: Andre Smith
OL: Blake Dechristopher

That WR crew wasn't deep or winning a lot of jump balls. They had their moments but left a lot that could have been better

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They caught that ball when it mattered, though.

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Until the referees offered their opinions I.e 2011 bowl game

Literally the joke!

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Boykin and Coale were studs though. Both of them could win games for you.

Boykin game winning TD catch

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Thanks for reminding me of that game! We were down big early but got back into it because of Tyrod, Evans and a few interceptions of Russel Wilson on D.

Tyrod 71 yard run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ook_iuCzdo

Good lord, watch David Wilson during that run.

That was part of what got the "fire Stinespring" crowd going. My opinion is that as good as that offense was, it waaaay underperformed to its potential considering how grossly talented it was.

We were always a few pieces away from taking a good team to a great team. Keeping stiney for so long was one of beamers biggest blunders. We literally had no answer in the Stanford orange bowl for press coverage and interior blitzes. It is amazing that we attracted so many highly talented offensive recruits with that offensive coaching staff.

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Losing to fucking kansas!

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Only been a VT fan since 2004. Favorite offense is 2010 team, favorite defense is 2006 team. Wish we could have seen those two units together. Would have been special!

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"It's time to go play Virginia Tech Football longer and harder than anybody else in America!!" -- Justin Fuente
"I put a brick in Sacksburg today." -- Cam Phillips

So, does QP look like a guy that we can trust to throw the ball yet?

Not from what i saw yesterday.

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Didn't see anything yesterday, so also not from what I saw yesterday.

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