OT - Bastard Lawn Raccoons

This is 50/50 venting and need advice. For the last few weeks I have had what I suspected was a raccoon digging up a large portion of turf in my back yard around a tree stump. I confirmed last night that I have a pair of raccoons actively digging around the root system of this old tree in the pre-dawn hours and they have now turned over about 1/4 of my lawn in the back.

Short of trapping them (illegal in fairfax) and killing them (also illegal) what are my options? The best I can come up with is to lay down chicken wire over the torn turf and extend out along the root system of the tree but I'm afraid these assholes will see this as more of "challenge accepted" than a real deterrent.

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Well raccoons tried to get in our back porch, Momma just chase 'em off with a broom!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

It's only illegal if you get caught.

dilute hot sauce with water and a lil bit of dish soap and spray over the area every few days

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cayenne pepper power works equally as well. little buggers get it in their eyes and noses and lose all interest.

This is one of the routes i'm going with tonight. Hopefully I'm able to capture some video after they get a few bites in.

Just get a Havahart trap and cover it well, so the neighbors don't see what you got going on. Once you catch the coon, you can either relocate it or shoot it with a 22 when nobody is looking.

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do you have to deal with an HOA? if so, there may be rules in the covenant that require your lawn to be pristine, and requires you to fire at will with regards to a raccoon

sorta /s

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HOA rules do not trump town/county ordinances, as much as they would liken themselves as be all end all.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

So , so true. One of my sisters lives under the rule of a HOA dictatorship. When we go to visit, we bring a crowd. The HOA would ticket us for parking on the street during visits. My sister basically wrote the guy back, saying that it is a public street, and her guests could park there for up to 30 days if they wanted to.

He stopped giving us tickets, but the HOA decided to suspend her tennis court privileges for a month. The HORROR!

I'm close to convincing her to return to her redneck roots and live out in the woods with the rest of us.

Leonard. Duh.

I had one that I used to live in in VA that did not allow accessory structures (sheds). One older gent used a motorized wheelchair to get around, but was mobile enough that he didn't need it in his house. So he had a small shed put on his back deck to keep the scooter locked up in.

HOA tried to force him to remove it, he ended up taking them to court, and won, something to do with the ADA, then wound up moving anyways.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

HOAs are indeed dictatorships on par with North Korea

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Can confirm- I manage one for a living (well, a condo association, but all the same).

Idk the Association laws anywhere else, but unless it's a serious legal offense re: money or the boards, the state lets the Associations get away with some bullshit. Almost nothing goes to court it seems like. One of the big associations here got caught forging votes for the BOD (one of the guys is on city counsel) a year ago and I don't think anything has happened.

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We dealt with one growing up that was across the street from my parent's house, my parents weren't even a part of it.

It blows my mind why anyone would want to live in a community run by an HOA.

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There's some positives if the HOA isn't run by someone with nothing else to do. It does help keeping the neighborhood looking nice. Sometimes it just happens that most neighborhoods in an area you want to live in (area near your job, good public schools, suburbs) have HOAs.

A lot of times it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission as well and this gets around the issues most of the time.

To each their own but you couldn't pay me to live in a neighborhood with an HOA.

As far asking for permission and begging for forgiveness, the one we dealt with back home just did whatever the hell they wanted, even affecting those not apart of the HOA or hated community (insane noise violations) and when confronted they said too bad.

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They can be good and bad. My sister wishes she had one, her and her husband bought a home with a beautiful view in the backyard and a sunroom that catches it during sunset. Then their neighbors, who have horses, put in a huge two story metal barn right along the edge of the property that completely blocks that view.

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it sucks that with real estate you can pay for perks that are in no way guaranteed. Unless you own that land, you don't own the view, but it's sure as hell priced into the listing. I have a friend who lives in christiansburg on that hill way up on the left as you're headed west on 460 after the rt 11 exit (there's a big water tower). He bought the house at the very top on the culdesac and had an amazing view westward. Well, the developer got another round of funding and developed his way down the west side of the hill. Now he can touch his wall and his neighbor's at the same time and only has a view from his roof.

I'm thankful we live in the woods in the middle of nowhere so we can afford to own what we see

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I don't want to live in a HOA, but if I had made that an automatic disqualifier when I was looking for a house this past spring/summer, I'd still be looking.

That being said, I learned real quick that the HOA I'm in isn't very effective. When we moved in, all they told us was that we needed to "fix" our mailbox. The only thing I could remotely find wrong with the mailbox was that the red flag was kind of faded. I didn't do anything. Meanwhile, we had a massive obviously dead tree in the backyard that threatened three different houses in the neighborhood, and we heard nothing about that. I didn't bother to tell anyone that we were removing it. (Except for the next door neighbor, who was going to be affected by the equipment getting to the tree. But he was happy to see that tree go.)

Plus, there's a house at the edge of the neighborhood that's an obvious drug house overrun with cats. Until the HOA does something about that, they don't have any room to bitch at me about a mailbox.

Get a large plastic barrel; cut the top off. Dangle a rope over the side, securing it at the open top of the barrel (don't let it extend inside the barrel. Put something as bait in the barrel. Coon climbs in, can't get out.

It's not a trap. The coons just got in by accident.
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IMO- Raccoons are the worst. Nasty, but very smart- so terribly annoying, messy, disease ridden, will kill house pets in a heartbeat. No redeeming value, really.

Remove food, remove coons. I had a buddy who left cat food out for multiple cats and the raccoons and cats ate side by side for years with no cat deaths involved. Guess it depends, but I think the suggestion below to remove the stump might be the ticket here. Must be grub ridden rotted roots attracting them, and for all your disdain, they are actually pretty cool animals. I'm sure they might not love you either, really.

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They're just so stinking cute when they steal cat food

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Unfortunately its not that simple. The food source is under the turf and the only other food source are the acorns which they don't need to dig for.

My grandfather had a pet raccoon. Funny thing was, he made his living as a captain on two-masted Chesapeake Bay schooners, so he and the raccoon lived on board with the crew. We have a photo of my grandfather ca 1940 with the raccoon on his shoulder looking on as the deck is being loaded in Baltimore.

"Tajh Boyd over the middle . . . and it's caught for an interception! Michael Cole, lying flat on his back, ARE YOU KIDDING???"

That has to be an amazing picture.

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You also just perfectly described humans

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Trash pandas are a pain in the ass. But a simple deterent is human or dog hair it may not look great but hair clippings spread in said area will keep them away sometimes. I do it with the corn in our garden I spread the hair clippings at the base of the crops on the ground and it helps keep them away from the corn. Otherwise just get a small trap cover it up and throw some beenie weenies or marshmallows in it trap em then go drop em off at at a big state forest somewhere or just put a round in it and then dispose in a hole.

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Reread Va Admin Code (4VAC15-210-51)

It shall be lawful to trap raccoon from November 15 through the last day of February, both dates inclusive, except there shall be a continuous open season to trap raccoon within the incorporated limits of any city or town in the Commonwealth and in the counties of Arlington, Chesterfield, Fairfax, Henrico, James City, Loudoun, Prince William, Spotsylvania, Stafford, Roanoke and York.

havahart trap (sardines are great bait), apply pepper spray, release raccoon

havahart trap (sardines are great bait), apply pepper spray baseball bat, release raccoon

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Peanut butter works really well if you don't have sardines around the house. I had a couple around my place a few years back. Just threw some peanut butter crackers in the basic trap and I got them every time.

I think there are exceptions to most county ordinances regarding elimination of pest animals. You might look into that, and find out if there are restrictions on who can eliminate said pest animal.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

What about getting rid of the tree stump, as that seems to be what's attracting them?

Maybe they'll go bug your neighbor.

Theyre most likely easting the bugs and grubs in the stump so getting rid of it would probably solve alot of the issues. Or just bury a bunch of marshmallows in neighbors yards to distract the coons for a while.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I'm confident that the tree remnants are the reason the grubs are there, but the issue isn't the stump - its the remaining root system. Although technically feasible and the f'ing trash pandas have done a lot of the work, I don't want to rip up the roots.

I'd just shoot them. Hell with the rules.

easy fix.

WTF happened to the beagle!?

Edit: Wait, there are 2, the one on the left hauls ass onto the walkway. Exit stage left!
The one on the right, no clue, but the blue (I think its a ball) doesn't move so hopefully the explosion was limited to that location and the dog is fine.
There is also a bug crawling along the walkway that is unaffected.

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I saw the full video somewhere. Dogs are fine other than they'll never set foot in that back yard again.

here's the full video.

Bug reverses course!

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Smithers, release the hounds.

Air rifle. Little to no noise and you'll take care of the issue...

Any recommendations on a short range rifle/pistol and ammo? This is new territory for me and all I want is to achieve every man's dream - keeping everything off my lawn.

You're going to have to go up a bit in power from a .177 cal pellet rifle like you'd find at Walmart to humanely take out a raccoon. I would look at a .22 caliber minimum pellet rifle and pick your shots carefully. Better yet just use a .22 rimfire with some shorts or CB caps. Quick and quiet. There's a few other tricks you could use to get a bit quieter but I'll let you search that on your own.

I would prefer not having to go the permanent route. Although based on some of the .177 videos I saw last night I'm going to need to be precise with my target to not hit anything that's going to result in death.

If you're shooting at a live animal I believe you should shoot to kill. Shooting to scare or run off leaves way too many open doors and more times than not is a lot less ethical than taking them out quickly and humanely.

Agreed, if you are shooting at an animal with intent to not kill, use a water gun.

I only shoot to thrill

Well played good sir. Well played.

You too.

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You, I worry about.

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Yep.

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Call a humane pest removal company with good reviews. Just search Google for "humane pest removal" or "humane wildlife removal" in your area. They will know what they can and cannot legally do and how to trap them. Let them do the dirty work. It might cost a little bit, but it is worth it.

Or you can do what everyone here is suggesting and get in some back-and-forth Elmer Fudd/Bugs Bunny turf war shit and then regale us with the hilarious tales of how they keep out-smarting you.

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I would dangle a massive boulder over the tree stump and rig it with a hair trigger release. Meep Meep.

OR

Just get a 22 and pop those bastards late night. You won't get caught and even if you do, no one will really give a shit.

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A good dog will take care of those Coons for you.

2 dogs--named Old Dan and Little Ann.

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That reference took me WAY back.

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Yeah. I loved that book in middle school. I am glad somebody picked up on my literary reference.

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That book its a soft spot. Quit cutting the onions!

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legitimately one of my favorite books. Definitely left an imprint on my growing brain

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I was quick to blame just the raccoons... the fox deserve just as much blame.

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They need to die. The only problem is that you have now put damning evidence on the interwebs as to how the rodents may have come up missing, lol.

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Naw, they'll die like the rest of us, just trying to make a living. And for the sake of accuracy, raccoons are NOT rodents.

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Varmint? Either way they are disease carrying troublemakers. Just my experience with them anyway.

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Yeah, I guess they could fall into that category when messing with our stuff. If they're fixated on the stump, it must be reasonable to assume they're into some insect, be it grubs, or maybe more likely, a big cicada hatch, which might explain the fox going in as well. If, in fact, this is what's happening, cold weather or time will definitely remove the food source, thence the varmints. In, of course, my humble opinion based on a lifetime living in the country dealing with such problems. An old country guy once told me that if you kill one (pest generic), 10 will come to its funeral. If the food's there, something will be after it again regardless of what you do.

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Ever stop and think about humans being a legitimate plague on this planet? Certainly worse than just "disease carrying troublemakers" that are raccoons.

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Nope I never have. I have first hand experience of raccoons passing rabies to cattle, killing chickens, and dismantling conveyors. I guess humans could do all those things as well.

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You guess? Where you been all your life. Human beings are the biggest threat our earth has or will ever have to endure, like it or not, believe it or not, care or not.
Sorry, but I'm with flyguy on this one.

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Welp, I've never seen raccoons pass rabies onto cattle or hunt chickens, although that's what they are naturally born to do, hunt birds. However, I have seen humans do a lot of shitty things to a lot of other humans and animals. We could certainly do much better with less of those bastards.

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I'm not sure what your point is. Raccoon does not equal person.

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Well, you're right about that. I've never seen a raccoon carry a gun and shoot or rob, enslave or torture other raccoons. Maybe they have something going for them we humans don't. We ignore and/or mistreat the natural world at our peril. I don't presume to speak for flyguy here, just my take on things, and my opinion only.

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Yep, groundhogs were always my bugaboo. I definitely went the permanent route on them, killing 21 in three years in our garden.

This is your quote. Same could be said. Again, I don't understand the point being made. Yes humans can be vile assholes. Comparing them to an animal is silly. And, I'm not one to support killing of animals purely for sport.

Also, for the record, any farmer that has unexpectedly discovered a groundhog hole while working a field will gladly jump onboard with your bugaboo.

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Yeah, and I own the post for sure. My wife was starting a dried flower business and something had to give. I guess the difference is that I didn't revile the poor beasties for being themselves, as they are meant to be. I didn't enjoy killing them and was glad when things leveled out. Once my wife quit her business after 10 years, I never shot another one because there was no need. We protect ourselves from more than nuisance damage as best we can, but we humans used that excuse to "thin" the buffalo, eradicate as many big cats, wolves and bears as we could, and for some reason, flyguy just got me to thinking about that. I get your point, but I guess you don't see ours. No need to be comparing humans to animals because the fact is that we are animals as well and our behavior can't always be justified as just trying to make a living, so maybe the lower creatures are worthy of more than our disdain.. Anyway, I don't see raccoons digging up a yard one fall as being reason to go on an eradication and smear campaign. But now I feel like I'm also just arguing just to argue, to be honest. I'll drop this now.

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no please, I was hoping we could get into a full on argument about morality again. /sssss

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No worries. Go Hokies.

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They need to die.

My point is this is an absolutely asinine comment. Your reasons for stating that they need to perish perfectly describe humans. So if that's the case, well, start getting rid of humans then. It's obvious there are too many of them based on the destruction they cause through overpopulation.

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I can promise you we will not come to an agreement on this, so I will wish you a happy Friday and Go Hokies.

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Fair enough, leg

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" I have first hand experience of raccoons passing rabies to cattle, killing chickens, and dismantling conveyors."

Pretty sure OP didn't say anything about having cattle, chickens, or conveyors. Just a stump and some newly dug holes in his yard. Not sure why that necessitates a zero tolerance, eradication policy. Should he kill all of the foxes, too? What about bats? They can carry rabies. Should he install a giant mesh dome over his yard to keep them out? I think your first hand experiences are causing a visceral over-reaction here, which I understand, but maybe take a step back and reevaluate the OP's situation. I can see being against them if OP was a farmer with livestock, but come on, they are just digging up part of his yard around a stump in a residential area, not ruining his livelihood or stealing his children in the middle of the night. The problem will literally go away without him doing anything as the temperatures drop and the food source is depleted. They might come back every year if he doesn't remove the stump, but again, they are just digging up part of his yard, not physically attacking him.

Something else to consider, removing a minor "nuisance" from the ecosystem may lead to a major "problem" down the line. Maybe the raccoons and foxes are removing the grubs of an actual pest insect. Maybe it is a large cicada hatch and OP is about to be in store for a deafening summer. Who knows.

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Im not worried. This is a low cost camera and I wouldn't be surprised if it suddenly stopped working and I was no longer able to record evidence. Just sayin'

That said, laying down chicken wire seemed to do the trick and kept them off the covered area. The issue I still have is that there is another ~500sqft to cover.

install a lamppost next to the stump. Do some non-traditional wiring, like laying out all the wires to the lamppost in a radial pattern around the stump and without insulation, but close enough that an unsuspecting rodent could touch both at once.

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I have regular groundhog problems so I've been trapping and releasing those assholes up at the local game lands for a while now. Occasionally I'll get a skunk, which are actually pretty easy to deal with if you move slowly. But every now and again...

This little guy was really embarrassed that he got caught but managed to make himself a bed by destroying the reachable hostas overnight until I let him out the next day.

So trapping can work for you, I only caught this guy on accident, your mileage may vary.

I have the same trap. My catch and released into the wild (on the other side of I-81 - lets see you get back to my yard you rascal!) count over the past 2 years:
8 ground hogs
2 skunks (can confirm, move slow and with tarp in front of you as you encircle the trap with the tarp and they are as quiet and non-stinky as ever)
8 possums
2 raccoons
All, have new homes somewhere...
Hints to success:
1. Wear gloves to prevent human smells on the bait, trap, and camouflage.
2. Use cantaloupe rinds - best bait around!
3. Camouflage the trap with branches (insure the camo won't prevent trap mechanisms from proper operation)
4. As you remove them do what you can to prevent them from wanting to come back to the area they like (deny access and/or food sources the best you can).
Some might say, Smitty, more varmints are moving in. Some of these catches were helping my neighbors as well, my yard issues are behind me now (I'm sure their will be more, but the larger population is gone).
Good luck, trap em up, and send them on their way!

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Nice! Yeah the skunks are actually kinda cute so long as you don't spook them. I use the same strategy you do - move slow and hold up something to prevent spray, cover the trap with said tarp, and pro the door open and let them go. I don't mind skunks, just groundhogs

I've never got an opposum before, they're much less common up here than groundhogs.

Alas, i have had only one raccoon but about as many groundhogs as you've had. For groundhogs i used to go with cantaloupe but then i discovered how much they love love love cherry or grape tomatoes. That's my go to bait nowadays.

Yep, groundhogs were always my bugaboo. I definitely went the permanent route on them, killing 21 in three years in our garden. I set up a sniper's nest in our upstairs ping pong room and would take a bunch of coffee and the newspaper up in the mornings and pick 'em off with my cheap Marlin .22. They'd proliferated for many years living under the big barn right by the garden, and their numbers overwhelmed our attempts at growing stuff, so we had to get firm. Never did kill them all, but while the sniper's nest was active, I most definitely changed the situation in our favor. Coyotes in our later years at that place seemed to maybe be making an impact on the overall groundhoggery in the hollow, I think, and other than peanuts, there wasn't much I was growing that they were that bad on. Damn though, those critters do love peanut plants. Ping pong room became our bedroom, willow tree grew up into the shooting lanes, and the hogs got a pass unless one of the dogs got out. Country livin'.

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Ha sounds great! You ever harvest them for stew and furs or just...ditch them away. I heard they're not bad eats if you stew them up.

I have eaten only one groundhog, and that was in a game stew. Couldn't tell the groundhog meat from the beef we had in there, so I'd say stewed they are delicious. As for my garden massacre, it was warm weather, I tore them up with the .22, their hides are the toughest thing I've ever tried to deal with for food, and I had a freezer full of venison. I generally gave them a good heave ho into the woods (had plenty of them around). I am generally in the kill it eat it camp, drilled that way by my daddy, but the hogs were wasted for me, bounty for the critters that feasted on 'em.

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Sending them off into a woody memorial might have been a good way to generate the coyote traffic too. Two birds, one stone.

Raccoons and skunks will dig up yards looking for grubs. Get rid of the grubs and they will look elsewhere. If you have japanese beetles in your yard in the summer, get some milky spore based grub control and spread it over the lawn. You will have a bunch of dead grubs on your lawn in a few days.

I'd encourage you to find a way to trap and release them rather than shooting, poisoning, etc.

While you may not like having the raccoons around tearing up your yard, they play an important role in the ecosystem.

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I keep them away from my house with a walker hound. I did notice literally this morning leaving for work that they had been digging for grubs all along the outside of my fence. Almost as if they were taunting my dog. I have a resident skunk that stays underneath my building outside too but, he seems to be pretty calm.

Where I lived in Giles, virtually all of the grubdigging was done by skunks. Everything and their brother eats cicadas, though, and if my dogs were any indication, foxes and even coyotes (not to mention snakes, birds, fish in their habitat, etc.) will be all in on reliable cicada action.

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I don't disagree except I actually saw it going down a few times. It is probably a mixture of wild things. I have deer, groundhog, squirrel, skunk, racoon, deer, blue jays on the regular. Today seemed to be one of their favorite days outside of the dog fence.

Whaa? I'd say you put up signs and sell tickets. Add turkeys, 'possums, chipmunks and the occasional bear and coyote, and you're talking about my Giles life. Ain't life and nature grand?

Edit: Like you said though, outside the dog fence. The deer got wise to the various canines over time and the dogs got tired of yelling at them unless they got too close.

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