2020 RB CJ Beasley decommits from the Hokies

Announced via Twitter tonight, CJ Beasley will reopen his recruitment.

The RB is an exciting prospect out of Norfolk. A potentially disappointing loss for Fuente and Co.

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Wasn't it expected that a RB would decommit after the recent JUCO commit?

Yeah and to get the kid from JAX who was/is committed to Nebraska, May need to cut another loose.

Tis the nature of the beast

Everyone complains about too many 3-star RB recruits now we have one less and more complaining? SMH.

I don't think anyone is complaining, per say. Just saying this was a guy a lot of people were excited about.

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I don't think the original post was negative, and I don't think I want to join the fray here.

Quite a mixed bag for VT football recruiting today

May be getting someone quite a bit better stay tuned

Go for it

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Interesting. So there is potentially something big in the works, or is it a result of the Juco RB?

So he's going to Virginia with their stupid ass scissors logo?

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He was running with scissors?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I wish him the best of luck wherever he ends up...unless it's LOLUVa.

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Hate to see anybody decommit, especially someone from the 757, but this could end up being for the best with the crowded RB group. Wish him the best

"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

What happened to the days where we were always stacked with great RBs?

It was a VT Staple.

I would love to just have one now adays.

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He was passed on the depth chart

i laughed

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I don't get why people are upset at this. It was rumored we were dropping one from this class because we had another RB commit in the works. That didn't even take the JUCO RB into account. If you think this decommit wasn't something that we initiated then you haven't been paying attention and should maybe, you know, let things play out until signing day. If we get the RB we're targeting for this class and still hold on to the other 2 RB commits, and take the JUCO I would expect some transfers in the offseason. That's a really, really crowded room with none of them graduating this year.

Yep. Every player that leaves VT football for any reason was passed on the depth chart by beasts younger than him. all of them.

would you rather we take 4 "redundant" players in the class? i'm curious.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'd rather have some depth on the team- for once. That's what I would rather have. We are "loaded" at WR until a walk on starts against BC and we can't move the ball with Hazelton out. We are "loaded " with beasts at RB until we can't run the ball at all and King gets dinged up. I'd rather we have some real depth, some vets on the team so I can stop hearing about youth and unproven beasts as justification for insane attrition.

Nobody thinks our RB room is currently filled with beasts... We have had a surprisingly good season from McClease, better than I think most of us expected, we have an exciting young guy in King, who we all acknowledge is not quite physically ready to be a bellcow at his current build, and then we have some fringe P5 serviceable guys, most of whom are injured/not playing.

This class is hopefully going to bring in some much needed talent/depth to the RB room, but we are taking a small class and we had FOUR RB commits in a class of <15 guys... Basic logic suggested we were pushing someone out for Marco Lee (now our highest rated RB commit), then all of our insiders have come in and said this was initiated from our end to cut him loose.

Tell me what you want. Do you want us to take 4-5 backs in this small recruiting class, sacrificing needs at other positions? Do you want Fuente to personally call you and tell you that we did, in fact, move on from this guy on OUR END? Because this decommitment makes sense from basic logic, and every insider has said it was our decision. Do you just believe everyone is lying and this guy moved on to greener pastures?

Kaleb Smith is a scholarship player.

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but he was a walk on. that's his point.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

who also turned down a scholly offer from the vaunted wake forest passing attack to walk on with us before getting the scholarship πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

evidently true freshmen like payoute, bowick, and tayvion were supposed to start over him in a conference road game week 1

edit: i don't really remember struggling to move the ball week 1 against BC either -- red zone turnovers were the problem. we had 442 yards of offense and 344 passing yards

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

LOL.. good riddance to Kumah though.... who started 11 games last year and was literally ahead of Smith on the depth chart. Gotcha. Nobody pissed and moaned when Hazelton got hurt either, nope.

i don't even know what your point is any more, that Willis wouldn't have thrown red zone interceptions if Kumah hadn't transferred because Kaleb Smith wouldn't have been playing?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

But we only have so many scholarships....there is no point in using the limited spots we have at RB this year. We have King, Wheatley, McClease, Holston, Gary all on the docket to return next year.....you can only stuff so many bodies in at RB so someone's going to leave but I guess we're either gonna get your snide "passed on the depth chart" comment with the decommit or when someone moved to the transfer portal.

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Everyone has 85 scholarships. VT is not turning away 4 and 5 star recruits because some sophomore has promise. We were 6-7 last year and struggled early this year. Let's be real here. Not every player that bounces is behind some future stud on our 85 man roster.

Yeah I don't see your point here. We have what 8 available spots this year? with 5 returning RBs. We just got a decommit from a 3* I don't think the world is ending here.

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We will sign 17-19 kids for 2020. Perhaps as low as 15, but I doubt it. We will magically have more than 8 "spots". Several current players are not going to return.

Unless all of those spots open up at RB we don't need any more RBs than we have on the roster. I'll guess that we lose 1 or 2 from the current roster so taking 3 makes the locker room plenty full again.

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Beasley is not a 4 or 5 star recruit, so you're right there -- we're turning away 3-stars to better structure our roster moving forward. our roster isn't loaded with elite talent at every position group. a player doesn't have to be a "future stud" to justify being ahead of a gaggle of 3* recruits on the depth chart, he just has to be better than everyone behind him

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

isn't that the point of bringing in a JUCO RB plus two freshmen (who will likely redshirt) rather than bringing in three freshmen? I think bringing in Marco Lee rather than Beasley spaces out the RBs on the roster to hopefully build a little more immediate depth at the position while avoiding an obvious roster crunch at the position group in another year or two.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Do you feel 3 Rbs in the '20 class are sufficient to build depth or is 4 mandatory?

If Patrick Mahomes de-committed from VT, it's because of Knox Kadum. I get it.

This is logical and completely relevant to the 3* RB we just lost.

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I'll shut up if you find me one thread on this board over the past 3 years where the consensus was "damn - tough loss, we will miss him on the roster".

Which guy that transferred have we missed this season?

I'll start, Jordan Stout. That's who is playing at a "man he's doing great" level elsewhere.

How are JJ, Savoy, Cunningham, Kumah, D'Andre Plantin, Aundre Kearney, etc. doing? I haven't heard anything from them that makes me miss any of them.

Maybe JJ early in the year when they boatraced a highly overrated Cuse team, but they have crashed back to earth in a major, major way once B1G play started up.

I didn't love the transfers for what it said about our locker room situation, which we've learned was a serious problem at some point, but has since been resolved. However, the individual players who left haven't exactly been setting the world on fire.

Fair post, that does not line up at all with "we are the youngest team in D1" and "we don't have depth". Sorry. Doesn't jive. I'm not saying that you make these excuses, but most people do. Granted we are playing better now and could win the coastal. If Fu goes to 2 acc champ games in 4 years, I will never criticize him again.

If Fu goes to 2 acc champ games in 4 years, I will never criticize him again.

Just gonna put that in my sig real quick.

But I don't think Fu doesn't deserve criticism it's just the angle of your criticism on this topic doesn't make very much sense. You're tired of people using the we're young excuse but we just added an older JUCO guy over a HS commit?

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it's the difference between evaluating each news item in a vacuum vs seeing the forest for the trees

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

So if he goes this year it's over for all of us. If I didn't have something to root for before now I sure as hell do now.

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If we beat GT, Pitt, and UVA after the way we played against BC and Duke, yes I'll never criticize Fuente again.

That's not what you said you said makes the ACC championship game. Don't have to win all three to make it.

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We don't? Serious question? UVA has one conference game left.. If they beat us, they go to the ACC CG. regardless of Pitt and GT outcomes, right?

I think if Pitt loses to UNC, we lose to GT but beat Pitt and UVA we would go. Could be wrong but I think that's how it would play out. That would give VT, UVA and Pitt all the same record with us having the head to head tiebreakers over the other two

"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

Yikes. OK - either way... if we are playing in the ACC CG in Charlotte for the second time in 4 years, I'm in the tank for Fu... his biggest fan. Call me out on it if not.

FWIW even if we lose to GT we are still 100% in control of our own destiny. Also, even with Pitt having won tonight, there are still scenarios where we could beat GT, lose to Pitt, and still make the ACCCG, but it would take some help.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I will never criticize him again

Lol dude I had this exact same argument with DC a few weeks ago and I cited arguments that support what you're trying to show, and all he essentially said was "Don't matter, I know what I know" without refuting anything.

Moral of the story - don't argue with trolls who like to circle-jerk their theories all week without evidence to support their position.

LOL. The first 10 posts in this thread were- c ya don't need him. You're right though.

actually they weren't. Go and re-read.

I can think of Tyler Warren and Tank Land off the top of my head. I'm sure probably any OL decommits in the past 3 years probably had that though too.

The other replies hit on the transfers.

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interesting note -- Tank Land wound up at Liberty after everything that happened at Maryland and he chose not to go there. There was lots of hand wringing on our end regarding his decommitment after the Capeheart Fiasco. It's way too soon to see how everything will end up having shaken out from that.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Kearney, Goode, Kumah, Hill, McClease and Hooker.

I shouldn't feed the troll but there was much much much despair all over TKP when each of these entered the portal. There was also a good bit of justification (which in hindsight seems to be justifiable). We get that you are an unhappy person who gets his rocks off by being negative almost constantly but you are wrong about this.

You're not wrong.

But this isn't going to shut him up. The goalposts will just move to the point that he was actually trying to make all along.

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Disagreeing with Alum07 on a message board = moving the goal posts

I'm not even sure you're moving the goalposts because I can't even figure out what your original position was

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He's not a boomer, we're Gen X, dammit!

#forgottengeneration

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

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Guess if you're going to get called a boomer you might as well lean into it.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Sling stupid "insults" get stupid prizes, IIWII. I'm not a Boomer, but you don't care.

I didn't even call you a boomer, smarty pants.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

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LOL- Kearney and Kumah were written off IN THIS THREAD. LOL awesome.

At the time there were a lot of comments missing them. After a full season of play (which is what the comment writing them off refers to) we've all made realizations that maybe their importance was a bit over stated.

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You didn't ask for an example of a player who left and whose loss has been consistently lamented, you asked for A (singular) player where the consensus on TKP when they announced their decision to leave was that it would have a negative impact. I provided several and forgot to mention JJ. Just because Kearney and Kumah were mentioned in this thread with the benefit of hindsight to realize the losses weren't bad doesn't mean that the consensus at the time they announced their plans to leave wasn't negative on TKP. What you did here was moving the goal post and we all saw it coming.

At the end of the day the argument you are making is hurting your case because the fact is nobody who left (on their own) is producing at a level that should make anyone think they'd be an improvement over what we have... perhaps you should provide an example of a player who has left based on a decision he made who we wish we had.

it's a known and proven fact that Ryan Willis wouldn't have thrown red zone interceptions if he was targeting Kumah instead of Kaleb Smith week 1 at BC /s

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I asked specifically for a thread where the consensus was "damn hate to lose him"... a thread.. a consensus. Iv'e seen neither. Thanks

Does it ever get boring being so goddamn miserable all the time?

You tell me

almost there, buddy! keep scrolling!

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Go read the hooker thread, go read the Goode thread, go read the Kumah thread... I'm not going to tally comments in each and provide you with a chart showing that the majority (consensus) were negative about their announcements. There are some in each thread making points that you wont agree with. The majority were of the sky is falling variety... now as you promised, please STFU.

Exactly... even the people saying this makes sense said "but I'm nervous" or "this sucks"...

DC said he'd shut up... we will see.

If you actually believe that... Well, my sweet summer child... Bless your heart.

Man this did NOT age well lol

I was thinking the same thing... it's almost as if keyboard warriors don't really know what the hell they are talking about.

My personal favorite in that thread in light of this one is this:

dcwilson40 GT SUCKS AT PASSING | 9 months 2 weeks # ^
For 4 million a year, Roster management should be a basic expectation, no? Or is that amount still not enough to not blame Frank Beamer for the ails of the roster? That was my point.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The roster is fine now? cool

I'll ask what we all want to hear. Mr roster expert, where are the issues with the roster right now?

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In terms of actual on field production- depth at DE, CB, RB still an issue. Still not a proven 2 deep at DT either. Staff did a good job plugging that hole with Kendricks, Pollard, Crawford though. 2020 class uneven, some more attrition coming.

But what are your realistic expectations? There are very few, if any, programs around the country where they are happy with what they have at every position group from the top down. You can even look at Alabama this year who has had a top 5 recruiting class for idk, the past 10-12 years and even they are weak in some areas. Not sure why it seems like you expect VT to be elite across the board because that's never going to happen. As far as I'm concerned, I think we are doing extremely well for what we have and virtually every position group is trending in the right direction...

"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

it's been nine months. We haven't even signed another recruiting class since that thread. maybe quit the itchin' in your britches and take a moment to realize that the decommit in question in this thread is a direct example of Fuente "managing the roster" like you want him to do to justify his $4m salary. you can't oughtn't complain that he isn't managing the roster and then complain about a player who isn't even enrolled at Tech being steered elsewhere because of roster fit.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Its almost like all these moves aren't happening in a vacuum

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Not to nit pick but you said... "you cant" what you meant was "you shouldnt" DC has proven he can make an ass of himself pretty much whenever he wants.

I am proud that I didn't make an ass out of myself in that thread. Also, peak off-season in the second half, wow

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The fact that that thread came full circle from me defending to dc to be referenced in a thread where I call dc out is why I love tkp.

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Different sport, but Blackshear.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I didn't know there were this many ways to fuck a chicken, but I appreciate your determination to show us

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Not sure how many RBs we need in this class, unless you think he was somehow the very best one by a large margin, and you don't seem to be making that case.

I don't think I'd read in the worst case scenario here.

CJ was dropped to make room for Lee. There's another running back that might get dropped if we can make a move for Scott. We're upgrading talent. I know your schtick is to assume the worst with no actual intel, but this is a good thing

My sauce alluded the same. I say alluded because be said exactly the same thing without naming names.

This is exactly what I was saying. We have reached our max RB takes for 1 year. We want better RBs (well, we always want better everything really) so if we can land more promising RBs we will need to make room. Not saying CJ won't go to a program and be a fucking STUD but we can only project so much based on what we see today and this made the most sense for us right now

Overall a good thing, but I doubt it helps our perception among 757 coaches, which apparently has been an issue.

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I know that's a historic pipeline for us but if a coach is upset because we're dropping their players for better out of state players while they funnel all their 5* out of state I'm okay with this.

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Not being able to recruit the 757 is a huge issue, IMO. I think it rears its head in many ways. From relationships with coaches to former players not loving it, etc. I think its a big deal. Just my opinion. Groh alienated the 757 and was soon fired.

I don't disagree I would love to recruit the 757 but if a coach is going to get upset because our coaches are making the best decisions for our team then that's a bit childish

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If anything, you'd think they'd want VT to be better, so they could send their best players here.

It won't be a big deal. We won't lose anyone over this

Thanks. I was digging and this soothed my worries

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My shtick is to hopefully not witness the running game we had this year until about two weeks ago. I'd like to not see that again. So with all of this talent upgrade, we should be safe.

Wow, thanks for that. That made for quite the entertaining lunch break :)

Is this cause Brandon Campbell is getting ready to commit?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

He isn't until the 2021 class so I would doubt it

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forgot the s/

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

The numbers always work out!

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Why fret over a Beasley when you have a King?...

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King and Gary will be quite the 1-2 punch for the next couple years.

This is a big loss, we are gonna miss this kid

The first rule of Fight Club is we don't talk about turkey leg votes

This is why recruiting is a lose lose topic.

Offer kid with low power 5 offer list = meltdown
Kid with low power 5 offer list decommits = meltdown

Land Big Time Quarterback recruit = nothing to see here
Finish class higher in December than in August = we missed out on this kid though

Land Big Time QB Recruit = "Oh he'll just decommit, anyway"

How would you suggest a forum topic about recruitment go?

Meltdowns - check
Sensible Levelheadedness Fighting Against Meltdowns - check
Over-exaggerated and unrealistic exuberance - lacking

Example "OH MY GOSH WE JUST LANDED A TOP 5 QB IN 2021 WERE WINNING THE NC, OUR STAFF IS THE GREATEST RECRUITERS IN THE LAND" - Thread

We have the unbased negativity covered - we just need to strengthen our O&M glasses.

I'll pass on delusional fan bullshit. I hate that more than anything. You ask for sensible level headedness but then call for more homer, biased, and delusionally pro-VT takes? Pick one.

Exactly my point.

Clearly don't sense there should be an /a

But delusion goes both ways. I've read plenty about how our coaching staff are terrible recruiters/the worst/can't do it.

I have yet to see "they are amazon recruiters/the best"

Saying they're good/fine is not homerism; it's being realistic. They've had recruiting success, young kids are playing ACC caliber football...they've had misses, some that would have had significant impacts (Dimukujee could help), some that clearly wouldn't matter. It's extremely hard to predict the performance of a 17-18 year old.

The sarcasm is, the balance that would be needed to combat the negativity, is off based wild unrealistic positivity.

Based on recent threads, lots of comments about UNC's potential, "don't tweet @ recruits", concerns about parent tweets, 100% vs 110% vs 800%, Hookies and Virginia Tech University and Fuentes, [name] pls, getting passed on the depth chart, and mayo. Lots and lots and lots of mayo.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Use P5 offer lists as justification of "improved" recruiting... get uber defensive when we offer a kid with only FCS offers.

get mad when we decide we don't actually need to take four running backs in the same class

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I think the only thing i learned from this thread is if we want to make DC mad just call him a boomer πŸ˜‚

Throw that Bob Marley wannabe motherfucker outta here. Maynard James Keenan. 1991

Man. How times have changed here on TKP. You used to have to post a gif of Emma Watson to haul in turkey legs. Now you just have to be on the other side of a pointless argument with DCwilson40.

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mrw i see how many more turkey legs i got since yesterday:

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yawn.
1) I want the best players. I have no issue when there are upgrades
2) As I have said time and time again, players from the 757 for the last few cycles have not produced at a level aligning with their ratings. And, almost without exception they coming in and look very poorly prepared to play DI college football. A quick scan of VT since 2012 shows that the vast majority of key contributors are not from the 757, with Chuck Clark and Ricky Walker being the most notable exceptions.

A current scan of 757 contributors:
1) McClease
2) Chatman
3) Robinson
4) Becton

with Artis looming. I honestly don't know if Williamsburg counts, but you could say Grimsley too. Four to six guys in the 44 man two deep.

I would much rather see the investment around the country. Find the guys who fit the system and the culture that can ball. If a handful of AAU coaches get butthurt about it, well perhaps they can start producing players who are more ready to play college football. Honestly, is there a 757 product who is making a big time impact right now in college football? I know Jordan Williams is a rotation DL for Clemson. Dazz Newsome at UNC. Outside of that, eh?

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Troof.

I couldn't agree more. For whatever reason some people from Virginia are obsessed with their state and keeping things in house.

For example I was on the VT wrestling team when Tom Brands took over, at that time arguably the best wrestling coach in the country, and our first booster event all any of the boosters wanted to make sure was "we were still going to recruit Virginia".... I not being from the state was dumbfounded that you would even ask the question because who cares if we get the best guys.

If we can get better talent elsewhere so be it.

"Roll Tyrod"

Plus, Virginia is a geographic oddities. The 757 is closer to Maryland, UVA, UNC, NC State, Duke, ECU, and ODU and possibly Clemson and South Carolina. I realize that it is the same state, but Virginia is five distinctly different geographic and cultural entities with different geographical pulls.

Tennessee is very similar, and UT Knoxville's peak success reflects it. The Vols were not great when they recruited Tennessee well. They were great when they were killing it recruiting in the Carolina's and Georgia. Kids in Memphis had way more in common with the Mississippi schools, Arkansas, and LSU than the Vols.

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Exactly. Recruit talent. Period. If we can get Dematrius Davis (and hopefully Brandon Campbell) out of Texas, it means we can get talented kids from *anywhere* as long as we put the energy and resources into it.

I don't care where our kids come from as long as they're gonna buy into the VT Football program and win games

The 757 is closer to Maryland, UVA, UNC, NC State, Duke, ECU, and ODU and possibly Clemson and South Carolina.

We shouldn't be losing players wer after to OdU or ECU ever.
Hampton to Blacksburg is 4hr and 20 min.
7hr and 20 min to Clemson
6hr to Columbia
6 hrs to State College
11+ to Tallehassee

Everyone wants #1... the problem is when Josh Sweat is better than House Gaines and Clellin Ferrell is better than Jerod Hewitt. VT fans tend to ignore that many times the player from Va. IS better than the guys we get. That's the frustrating thing. Oh and Penn State hovers around the top 10 every year and plays in major bowls. They seem to make the Va. talent they steal from us work.

You should read what PSU fans think of Slade.

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Devyn Ford is averaging over 6 yards a carry as a true freshman on a top 10 team. King is a nice player, but I think we could have found some playing time for Ford. Slade is averaging 4.7 YPC and has 8 touchdowns in 2 years. McClease has 10 TDs in 4 years for comparison. Slade is not a bum. he would have started 12 games for us as a TF last year.

I'm not saying I wouldn't take Ford or Slade, but your "six yards a carry" is because he had 17.8 yds per carry against Idaho.

Against Power 5 opponents he's averaging 4.3 a carry.

We've played Furman and Rhode Island this year. Let's not act like our guys haven't had the opportunity to rack up stats on poor opponents too.

I'd take the bet that he wouldn't. Sadly, no way to confirm.

Just remember kids, you always win if you bet that freshmen won't start right away.

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This is a false choice. Blue-bloods aren't just targeting Virginia; they're all pulling top out-of-state talent from all over the country - because they all go after the best talent now and they have the cache to pull it off.

VT can either:

1) Keep beating its head against the wall and mostly fail in trying to match the recruiting swag of the blue bloods for all of the very best VA recruits,

2) Focus its recruiting strategy on VA and maybe end up with a few top level VA recruits, but largely end up with 2nd and 3rd tier VA recruits who may or may not fill positions of need or the VT system, or

3) Take a realistic, scaled back blue-blood approach and recruit regionally to sign (or steal from under the nose of other 2nd tier programs) the best players possible at positions of need who fit the VT system.

I vote #3.

I would much rather see the investment around the country. Find the guys who fit the system and the culture that can ball. If a handful of AAU coaches get butthurt about it, well perhaps they can start producing players who are more ready to play college football.

French really articulated how I feel. Beamer always talked about how there's enough talent "within a six hour radius of Blacksburg" to win a national championship. These days with social media, that's an antiquated way of thinking.

At the same time, there's no reason we shouldn't be expert recruiters in: 757, RVA, DMV, NRV, North/South Carolina, WV, TN etc.