2019 End of Season VT Transfer Portal Watch.

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So far we've got:

DeJuan Ellis > UMD
Joe Kane > TBD
Robert Porcher IV > TBD
Nathan Proctor > Played at Iowa Central C.C. this season and now looking to bounce back up it appears.

I'm sure there will be plenty more to come but hopefully we can avoid losing many major contributors this time around.

I'm only adding players leaving the 2019 squad prior to the 2020 season. I'll have a graphic up like for NFL I do later this week.

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Man, I remember us being really excited about these two. Too bad.

I don't want to lose any QB's or O-lineman/D-lineman. You are only 1 play away...

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With 3 freshman starters on the O-Line I think it's highly likely we'll see some attrition there. D-Line not sure who else would leave as it seems like quite a few guys were getting reps.

Technically we already have one OL in the portal (Kane) and one DL (Porcher, plus Proctor if you wanted to count him).

One of my sauces prior to Pitt game named a QB who was planning to enter the portal. Frankly, I thought it would be announced the day after our last regular season game. Since that hasn't happened, I don't know if it means he's having second thoughts.

Hopefully not a QB from the two-deep

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Realistically you're going to have 1 QB transfer in and 1 transfer out just about every season. It's just the nature of college football these days. After Willis, we still had 3 guys who were pretty highly rated out of HS with multiple years of eligibility left + Kadum with 4 years, so it was always pretty likely at least one QB was going to transfer after this season. With the way things shook out this fall, I think the writing was on the wall, and I don't think anyone should be too surprised by this. Always disappointing when the visions of grandeur that we have for certain incoming recruits don't play out that way though.

Reading between the lines here....QP is on his way out the door. No one would bat an eye if it was Kadum, Braxton isn't going back to back transfer portals (unless sitting this year allows him to instantly move). Hendon goes into next year as the starter/competition with Braxton so I highly doubt it's him. I don't think we can be too upset about it if I'm correct. Hendon goes into next year as a R-Jr, then if all goes well we sign DD in December. That allows either Hendon to be a SR starter and DD to start his sophomore year, or if HH goes to the draft and DD is ready it goes from there.

Love QP and hope he remains a Hokie. Realistically, though, while he has NFL measureables, is there any real chance he develops enough to be an NFL quarterback?
Question from me not being that intelligent regarding playing football: since QP was primarily a runner as QB in high school, would it make sense for the coaching staff to try to convince him to make a position switch to running back (or tight end)?

There is no basis for the speculation on QP. He is only going into his 3rd season and transferring would result in sitting out and not developing as much. He knows this and likes VT. Patience

IF he is interested in transferring, I would think a senior transfer would make much more sense.

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Right? And the 2nd string QB is always one play away from becoming the starter.

JP

He's second string today. What happens when Burmeister is eligible? Does Hooker become second string and Q moves to third? There are many possible scenarios. Anything is possible.

I won't be too surprised if that is what happens.

I think if Hooker moves back to QB2, Fuente might actually get run out of town...unless dude comes in and lights it up, but on his first INT folks will lose their shit

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I think HH will be QB1

QUINCY ISNT LEAVING.

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While everyone, including me, is high on Quincy's upside at QB, he has a LOT of growth before becoming an NFL-level QB. Logan Thomas was much further along at this same point in time.

QP is an elite runner at his size. I would love to see him as an H-back and let him go. He would have a bright NFL future in that role.

Logan barely played as a redshirt freshman. Tyrod senior season. Just give QP time

It's so clear now... The secret to being in this quarterbacks room is dual initials.

HH
BB
KK
DD

The writing on the wall is in sharpie, QP out /s

No wonder RW had his struggles...

TT?

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Deshawn McClease made a prophetic tweet today

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If he leaves I bet it's for the NFL. This was his fifth year in college and has the degree already.

I would be surprised if he leaves. Just had his best season yet, but still a ton to prove before making the league.

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He's got his degree and he's set on trying to make it in the NFL. A 6th year only risks injury and other setbacks.

Also there's a WR that's on the way out but wouldn't shock anyone once announced. I'm sure it's been hinted here somewhere

Well, so much for all these returning starters next year.

Has his Twitter background always been the NFL logo, or did that change coincide with this tweet? I'd hate to lose him, major contributor down the stretch.

Is the receiver you're hinting at one of the 3 starters or one of the redshirts? Really hoping neither of those categories.

NFL just happened.

Was expected to be in a bigger role just never materialized. Not top 3

Well damn, with all the Farley / Hazelton / Deablo talk it never even crossed my mind that we could lose McClease. Was really looking forward to having him next year. Wish him the best.

Hoping Holston recovers fully and he and King and Gary / Steward can step up next year.

King, Gary, Bell and incoming JC RB Marco Lee could still be really good assuming McClease, Holston, and Steward really don't come back. Any word on Terius Wheatley? He did good on jet sweeps and seemed to have promise but I don't recall him getting to really play running back. Is Cole Beck still with the team?

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Is there talk of Holston and steward not coming back? I assumed both were.

Hearing Holston might be hanging up the cleats. Injuries just not worth continuing.

904 posted he didn't think Holston would play anymore, and also rumors that Steward is not happy.

Yea, I can totally see McClease (has a degree and I doubt he improves at this point in his career), Holston (health), and Steward (bench rider) leave.

Wheatley can't hold onto the ball. You can't play RB for Justin Fuente if you can't hold onto the ball.

Likely that all of those first three come back. Clease is potentially hanging it up, and I think we see another 2 or 3 RB's transfer out. Room is being completely rebuilt

Soooo is King in the out crowd, or the rebuilding crowd?

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I could be wrong but I don't think anyone has been trying to give any indication that King is in the "out" crowd.

I think it would be wise to expect 2-3 of the following RBs to not be around next year:
McClease
Holston
Wheatley
Steward
Beck

At least 3 of that group.

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I've always maintained that Beck will never play a non-garbage time down at RB for VT, and I stick by that. We are playing with 84 scholarships, IMHO.

Yep. One look at his HS film and you could tell his only chance of seeing the field would maybe be as a kick returner. Maybe.

But...his speed...it's so deceptive.

Yep- everyone in the ACC has some speed on their team. Beck is not a football player and we are simply supplementing a track scholarship at this point. Not wise, IMO, but IIWII.

If I remember correctly, there was a lot of people up in arms that we didn't offer him because he was a "local" product. I wouldn't be surprised that CJF wasn't trying to promote a little Blacksburg "charity", so to speak. I think that it was a bad move, but see that it hurt us over all.

I think that might have been a very small part of it. The major part of it was that we did need some bodies late, but not necessarily a track guy. It was a gamble due to needing bodies.

I don't think CJF does charity. Beck had offers as a RB from half the ACC?

I don't think that is true. Not real offers anyway.

He had a bunch of G5/FCS offers and several P5 offers (mostly ACC and one SEC) reported by 247 (link). Do you have any reasoning behind why you think they weren't "real offers"?

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Fuente is offering 150 kids for 14-15 spots in 2020. You think they are all real/commit-able?

You're implying something about Beck's offers that can't be proven one way or another. We have no way of knowing where he was or wasn't a take aside from the one school where he wound up signing.

Even if you assume that every school that offered Beck was only bringing a class that was roughly 10% of the offered schollies, that in and of itself doesn't mean that Beck was in the other 90% for every school that offered him.

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In my opinion, not all of his offers were commit-able. This opinion is backed by the fact that 1. Schools send hundreds of offers out for 25 spots max each year, and 2. Beck did not play a snap anywhere for VT when they had 4 free games to do so. He was a late offer/take to begin with and if healthy this year would have been behind Clease, King, Gary, Steward, Holston, Wheatley, Bell at minimum. So yes, I don't anticipate him to play a meaningful RB snap at VT and no I don't think those BC and UNC offers were commit-able to name two. If he played HS ball in Blackburg, Montana he would not have gotten a late VT offer.

UVA, UNC, and Pitt all badly wanted him

Part of the McClease potentially leaving is probably due to King getting much more reps next year. Seriously doubt King is going anywhere.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Come on, seriously? DeShawn McClease, as a RS Senior is going to bounce after starting most of 2019 and getting the most carries because or King? 1. What indication did you get this year that the coaches trust King to carry the ball 25 times? and 2. What indication have we gotten from McClease the past 4 years that he is an undisputed #1 back that is above splitting time? This is out of control. We will literally have zero depth if everyone that doesn't get 80% of the snaps in a game leaves. It's insane

I think if McClease leaves it will hurt next years team, but I also think it would be understandable. He wont improve his draft stock next year (which might already be non- existent) and playing another year of football in college and taking those hits would actually probably degrade his draft status. He might just be done with football.

That would make much more sense. I love DeSean but he is too small to play RB in the NFL with his skillset. Now if he came back with some promise that they will feature him in the passing game to improve his stock, that might be a viable option.

I can't fathom why he wouldn't come back unless he just leaves football. He would play a big role even if not the primary role. I can't see an NFL future for him, unless I am way off base.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I think the rumor is he's just done with football.

Correct.

The rumor is that he's giving up football altogether. But even if he weren't, his role with definitely decrease next year. King will be ready for a bigger load, and those goal line carries that he got this year will likely go to Lee/Gary. His counting stats are almost guaranteed to be worse next year

Add on to the fact that being a 6th year running back at his size could lead to injuries (which he's struggled with his whole career), this is definitely the best time for him to take a shot at a professional career

This year (2019) is McClease's 5th year at VT. He received a medical hardship waiver for an additional year of eligibility. That doesn't mean he has to exercise it. If he wants to give the NFL a shot it may be the best time for him to do that. NFL RB's have very short careers even when drafted.

That being said, I would love to have him on the team next season because it seems like he's getting better and better at being successful in Fuente's offense. He could also wrap up a Masters degree.

If every guy with skills similar to Farley, Hazleton & Deablo is thinking of leaving early, it's going to be a very crowded draft.

I think Farley may be the exception. He has skill that not many athletes possess. However, he is still raw and I believe his draft stock would be greatly improved with another year. But, I have no doubt he would get drafted. Another healthy year could launch him into a day one pick.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

So he has skill most don't possess, but is raw and his draft stock would be improved with another year (which I mostly agree with).

How does that make him an exception to what I wrote?

There aren't enough people with Farley's skill to crowd the draft. There are enough people with more experience to shove him down the draft board. I would not view him as somebody at risk of not being drafted which is what I assume you were insinuating (bubble guys so to speak).

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We largely agree on your assessment of Farley. But take off the O & M glasses. There are probably at least 10 underclassmen in college football with a "comparable" skill set. Plus graduating seniors.

That makes for a crowded draft - which was my point.

I guess that is where we differ. Without O & M glasses I think he has a skill set including speed, length, and coordination when attacking a ball (super fast hands) that is unique and he is an all-American talent. He doesn't tackle well yet but has shown extreme improvement.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Here's a few underclassman CBs off the top of my head who are in a comparable league to Farley:

CJ Henderson
Jaylon Johnson
Josiah Scott
Cameron Danzler
Harrison Hand
AJ Terrell

IMHO Kendall Fuller was a much better natural CB prospect than Farley is right now and Fuller went in the 3rd round. Yes, he would have went higher without the injury concerns, but still. Farley should return, unless he gets a legitimate- not fake- 1st or second round projection from reliable NFL people.

I agree Fuller was a more natural prospect, but for what my opinion is worth (not much) I actually like Farley to have a higher ceiling. He's only played CB for 2 seasons now, and, man, he has come a longggg way. To your point though, I would add that Farley has his own injury concerns. Knocked out of the UNC game, missed the UVA game, obviously missed an entire season earlier in his career with a torn ACL.

I think he would benefit a lot from another season (just look at how much he improved this season from last season), but I actually wouldn't be shocked if his injury history actually pushes him toward entering the draft, to lock-in some life-changing kind of money. No matter where he gets drafted, a 4-year rookie deal is worth at least $2M. Hoping he comes back though.

As a frosh, Fuller was much better than Farley. And much more versatile. Granted that Farley was coming off a major injury and was learning a new position, but Fuller was still the better overall CB at the end of their Soph yrs.

Injuries are what really hindered Fuller. Remember he didn't even run, etc at the combine. He would likely have been a 1st rd IMO without the knee injury.

Fuller also had injury concerns in the draft. Believe he had just come off surgery and had missed majority of the season. He was a considered a top 2 round talent.

Patterson?

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I hope not. He got some decent time this year and I want to see how far he can take us in O&M.

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Phil...not Quincy

Eh, I can apply my comment to either of them. I agree I'd be less surprised about Phil transferring than Q.

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My guess without knowing anything would be Grimsley

Go for it

Sounds like he's had a rough time with his mom's health and all. I hope he stays, but if he decides to be closer to her, I can't blame him.

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That was my guess as well. His replacement on punt returns by Robinson was long overdue, and his play otherwise was unremarkable. I know he has skills, just seems like he/we haven't figured out exactly the best way to use them.

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But, man, does Hezzy love to punish people in his first year. That edge has disappeared after the FSU game, though...

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Yeah makes sense, but one's gotta know when you got a chance and when you don't. McClease won't get drafted this year.

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wouldn't get drafted next year either. if he ever has a chance this is the year. would lose reps to king next year and lose #s. if he came back it would only benefit VT with having senior leadership and a dependable guy around with some experience.

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Without inside knowledge I'd expect multiple WRs to transfer. Grimsley, Patterson, and Simmons seem like obvious candidates to me due to their PT

I've "braced" myself for these 3 names heading into the off season. Anyone above those, WR wise would be a disappointment.

Isn't Patterson going to be a junior? Hope if he transfers that he already has his degree

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Phil Patterson was a redshirt junior this season. I would imagine he is graduating in December or May.

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His banner on his twitter page is "NFL" - best of luck to him in the pursuit!

Holy hell I cannot take another offseason of transfers and torment, especially after losing to F%CKING UVA.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Better get used to it. Coaches are starting to figure out how to use the portal to their advantage

Agreed - new reality every year. Kids who aren't going to make a difference can leave and essentially be recruited over by the coaches. Clearly there are pros, but everyone panics because it's a familiar name.

Southern Methodist immediately spring to mind.

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I hope we've learned to use it to our advantage too.

Best get used to it the portal is gonna be big till they try to limit it potentially

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Yeah we lost some guys to transfers but we've also brought in some good transfers too (Jerod, Willis, Hazelton, Burmeister, Hoffman, etc)

did you know that hazelton and willis were roommates and workout buddies while they were sitting out for a year?

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Evans wasn't a transfer.

yes he absolutely was

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This gif... I can't stop watching, it's hilarious!

Are we talking the same Jerod? Because Jerod Evans was no more of a transfer than a high school kid is.

He used up his eligibility at JUCO. He had to go somewhere. JUCO grads are not subject to transfer rules, correct?

I'm not sure what your point is, he wasn't a transfer to us because he went to JUCO after leaving the Air Force Academy? He had two years of eligibility when he joined us, he played one and he elected to forego the other.

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My understanding (someone who is more knowledgeable than me is welcome to chime in) is that, technically, JUCO's, and transfers are all subject to different rules. FWIW, JUCO's are tracked differently than transfers on the recruiting websites.

But I think your point is well taken - JE did not come to VT directly out of high school, and joined the team after play on another college football team.

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Good grief. Where exactly did he "transfer" from? The school he had already graduated from and with which he had no more eligibility?

Not one bit of what you write makes him a transfer. He simply signed with Virginia Tech as a JUCO graduate. Again, he was no more a transfer than a kid signing out of high school or a prep school.

Virginia Tech will take any and all football transfers from an accredited 4 year/graduate study institution in good academic standing. Not so with a JUCO graduate. VT imposes limits because they are not the same category.

The point was - and remains - he was not one of the guys brought in as a transfer. He was recruited as a JUCO graduate.

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Devil's advocate: Are grad transfers not actually transfers? They graduated from their previous school with a bachelor's, and move on to play for a different school while officially pursuing the next higher degree, right?

That's still a transfer. Just doesn't require the normal NCAA-arbitrary-rules-that-favor-the-bluebloods to get immediate playing time.

You kind of answered your own question by calling them grad transfers.

I think I am going to try something new. I'm going to ignore recruiting and transferring and just check the program come August. This shit is not worth us getting all worked up about.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

That's what I usually do, ignore most of the transfer/recruiting threads, not worth the heartburn. Game threads, too.

It's simple really.

Get moderately excited about guys who commit, get slightly more excited when they sign their LOI - and not worry at all about guys who leave. They all leave eventually - in the blink of a figurative eye - and get replaced by someone else. It's inherent in college sports. And life.

Dude, that is the move for sure. I barely pay any attention to recruiting. This season I hardly recognized half of our players because of it lol. But it certainly removes you from possible, meaningless agony over what these kids do.

Good luck to Mclease if he leaves...that dude can block for a little man...he was always picking up the blitz.

Sean

Blocked his butt off in the bowl game.

I saw a post on the free side of 247 that stated Farley leaving is very unlikely.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

He wants to stay and get pointers from Torrian Gray, DeAngelo Hall, Macho Harris, Brandon Flowers, Corey Moore, Kam Chancellor, and Bruce Smith when they are hired next week as co-defensive coordinators.

Don't worry guys, they're also going to keep Justin Hamilton as co-defensive coordinator in waiting.

Leonard. Duh.

Damn two coaches for entire offense. Bold strategy Cotton.

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Based on what I hear on this board, reducing to two would be better than what we have now.

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I'm sure that Michael Vick and Kevin Jones will tweet their willingness to join the staff any day now.

Chad Morris and Tony Elliott is all you need

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No OL or TE coach?

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I mean...we didn't have either in the 2000s...

We put the K in Kwality

No OL or TE coach?

I thought that's where the DL and QB coaches came into play

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Saw Will Pritchard is giving up football on his IG - best wishes to him. Injury related

That sucks. I'm assuming he's had one too man concussions based on that. Good luck to him in the future. I'm guessing this is one of the way "the numbers work out" so to speak. Unfortunate circumstances, but at least he can get a degree with his scholarship and it doesn't hurt the team.

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That portal link is quite an eye opener. Pretty much every team has multiple players with a foot out the door. If a coach was so inclined you could create a very highly ranked recruiting class of just portal players. Top flight SEC schools have 5 star players leaving...

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Problem is, most of those players come with significantly less than 4 years of eligibility, and most would have to sit out a year anyway. Also, does anyone know if transfers count towards your limit of 25 signees for a given cycle, as I'm pretty sure JUCO recruits count? If so, it's not a sustainable practice, as unless you're bringing in majority sophomores you'll be well short of your 85 scholarship limit after only a few years.

Yes they do count.

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A reverse one and done model could be set up by a crafty school. Basically always have a group of upper classmen waiting out a year to play one final season or two. Rinse and repeat. The limitation on numbers don't seem to be a disadvantage.

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FORMER 5 star players....

I think if a coach did something like that we'd have to call the team SMU.

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Still agree that he was talking about Coastal Carolina.....who had 10 entries into the portal yesterday.

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oh yeah. youre right. now I feel dumb, does he have some ties to them? he is by far the biggest brock Hoffman supporter. tweets before every game #freebrockhoffman

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Was reading about how UMD already had 5 in the portal, and that Sean Savoy hasn't been on the team for some time now.

Know it's not about VT, however figured it was interesting considering they were one of the biggest benefactors of our portal situation last year.

Plus at least one early jump to the draft. Said it when he was hired, Locksley won't have success there.

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Yep, they cast a wide net for transfers. They got a few solid starters/contributors out of it, but a lot of duds as well.

This seems like an appropriate time to post Josh Jackson's end of season statline.

98/207 for 1,274 yards, 12 touchdowns, and 6 interceptions. Also keep in mind that four of those touchdowns come from the Howard game.

He also made one solo tackle, which is nice.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

was it against UVA to save a touchdown though?

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I'm hearing Josh wants to transfer and play at the FCS level next year

Dang, I still remember when he was in HS committed to VT and seeing people claiming him to be "the next Marcus Mariota"

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Wait- Someone actually said that?

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Blows my mind the mental gymnastics people used to convince themselves he was anything other than a low ceiling, mid floor type guy. He looked like that guy coming out of high school, he was exactly that guy for VT, and he went to Maryland and was maybe even a little worse than that this year, but Maryland is in a rebuild at the moment so it was a less favorable situation than, say, 2017 VT with a top 10 defense to take the pressure off our offense.

Just a note that it wasn't necessarily VT people saying that at that point.

Sure, but all throughout his time here, and even the first few games of this season when Maryland was hot before imploding there were people on this site lamenting the loss of JJ has if he would have had us lighting the world on fire.

When you practice in the parking lot of the Big House and Michigan doesn't offer? yep.

It actually shows what a good job the coaching staff did with him for him to be pretty solid as a redshirt freshman.

He was not even remotely solid after UNC

Playing with a broken foot and jacked up throwing shoulder will probably do that.

Prime example for the "stars don't matter" crowd.

JJ was a 3 star. Sometimes those work out, but often not for a P5 school that wants 10 wins.

Hooker, the better QB, is a 4 star. As was Evans, LT and Tyrod (5 star), the last QBs to get us to 10 wins.

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Conversely, Nathan Proctor, Dylan Rivers, and Devon Hunter were 4 star players that are/were behind the depth chart to lower rated guys. There are many more examples- just at VT. Ashby is a better player right now than Dax... that's another.

Good points, I guess my point is that you can't win big with an average QB recruit

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Can you really list Rivers here? I have to think his neck injuries were a major part of him not playing up to his full potential.

I dunno. I was told multiple times when bringing in Willis' stats from elsewhere that "tHosE ArEnT CoMParAbLe".

Bitter is reporting John Harris into the portal. I liked his game, but it has to be a good thing that we have solid starters so young for him to want to transfer for PT.

He was passed on the depth chart

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Yep- OL depth is one of the key things that separates good teams from bad ones. In the transfer portal era, we are going to have 5 starters and a prayer because solid 2 deep guys like Harris are bouncing. The drop-off is going to be huge- even next year. It's sad. Harris has 2 years in the weight and film rooms. A true fresh is going to be light years behind that. Our OL depth for 2020 just took a huge hit.

I don't see how our depth will be an issue next year compared to this year's.

Hoffman will become eligible, which will allow either Hoyt or Hudson to slide over to the Guard spot, while Hanson can provide depth for the other Guard spot. Cannon seems versatile enough to be 3rd string at either spot.

Center depth with Hoffman and either Hoyt or Hudson should be the same or better than this year.

Tackle depth is Darrisaw and Tenuta starting, with Jackson, Culver, and Dzansi providing depth.

There would be no true freshmen in the 2 deep, allowing Clements to redshirt.

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Good post. Hoyt has been here forever. And we need to account for injuries as well. Bottom line- IMHO Harris can play at this level- he is not one of these "well he was never going to play guys"- I don't believe that. He's versatile, strong and would have helped us next year. If he truly wasn't going to see the field, we should be damn good next year.

Additionally, Aiden Brown could theoretically switch back to OL as depth at DL has seemingly gotten a lot better

Pertaining to your comment about we should be damn good next year if Harris wasn't going to be seeing the field, I would actually have to disagree somewhat with that analysis. If we are damn good, I would expect second and third teamers to get significant reps in these hypothetical blowouts, ie., everybody plays.

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Wasn't Harris the guy that chose us over Clemson?

I think Jesse Hanson was the one who had all the Clemson family, but chose us, even with a late offer.

I don't think Harris was going to be in the 2-deep. Even without Hoffman stepping in to push for starter reps at Center we have Hudson and Hoyt who would seem like they'd play @C over Harris.

Was he productive? dont seem to remember him having a very good game the time he did start, and if it was purely recruiting reasons, why did cannon get the rotation role with nester/lecitus smith? it looks like to me he was at best the 4th option at guard this season, and will likely get jumped further once hoffman is eligible next season.

He was a RS Freshman that played in real games this year. He would likely be in the 2 deep somewhere next year. If VT has 10 lineman ahead of Harris coming back next year, we should go undefeated. But in reality that is not the case. Around game 3 someone will be injured and we will have a thread on here about how we can't block inside because we are playing another true freshman at OG. Our level of attrition the past 2 years - regardless the reasons- is killing us and will continue to rear its ugly head.

Would've been 3rd string at best, like he was this year. Hudson and Hoyt ahead of him at center, Hoffman, Cannon, Nester ahead of him at RG. Hoffman would also probably be the 2nd string center and LG if anything happened to Hudson or Lecitus. Harris was BURIED on the depth chart

Alot of speculation in this post, and where did you have Cannon on the depth chart last December? Buried, I'm guessing. I'll bookmark this post when a couple of OL go down and everyone on here is complaining that we couldn't run the ball last game because of the true frosh that had to play on the line- like way back in 2019.

I certainly would have liked to keep Harris, because I think he is a good depth piece and could be a good player, but we are actually carrying a lot of OL on the roster for the first time in awhile. As far as scholarship allotment is concerned this is actually not a place where losing a couple guys creates a dire situation. That does mean there are other position groups that could be in trouble with a couple transfers.

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Fair point.

i do try my best to stay away from unfair points

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They don't play by anybody's rules, not even their own.

I was actually the first one on here to say that Cannon was making noise at RG back in August sooooo

You really think Hudson holds Hoffman off @C ?

VV does not teach technique.

uh, that's a bold statement. And one not really relative to Harris being buried on the depth chart. One of the side effects of having great freshmen is that players who get passed by those freshmen may decide they don't have much PT in their future and look to transfer.

didnt get playing time over the true freshmen for recruiting reasons.

So let me get this straight.. you think playing FR all over the line was for recruiting reasons and not for 'best chance to win / projected starters were injured or ineligible' reasons? Because somehow it's going to help recruiting to have the OL positions locked up with underclassmen?

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That incredibly small 2020 class might not be so small now

I can't imagine how hard it is to make numbers work with the portal. I mean these kids aren't for sure gone. They can pull a nevermind in an instant an now your squeezed with scholarships/spots.

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You pull the scholly....if they put their name in the portal, they have to understand their spot is now up for grabs.

I don't disagree with this just saying that managing rosters must be a nightmare.

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You pull an SEC football or major hoops and sign them and figure out the numbers later- or "cut" guys- unpopular, but necessary if you want to win at the highest level.

sad but true

What's never discussed in the portal threads is this happened in the past. With an 85 scholly limit, how else did Beamer sign 20-30 guys a year, every year. There's always been attrition, and the numbers have always "worked out".

Year Signees 4 Year Total
2002 20
2003 23
2004 20
2005 25 88
2006 22 90
2007 26 93
2008 31 104
2009 22 101
2010 19 98
2011 21 93
2012 28 90
2013 19 87
2014 27 95
2015 24 98
2016 22 92

Tinfoil hat time... Fuente tossed the UVa game so he could recruit this week instead of gaming for Clemson!!!

The boldest of strategies

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You need more than tinfoil for a conspiracy that deep... better make a youtube vid about it with pointing arrows

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Rivenburg and Mihota weren't on scholarship.

We need like 8-9 to exit stage left to even get to 13ish commits

Counting all current commits, I have us at 85 scholarships for next year, although if my numbers are wrong, I'd be happy to adjust.

We have 4 QB, 10 RB, 11 WR, 4 TE, 13 OL, for 42 on offense; 15 DL, 8 LB, 18 DB, for 41 on defense, and 2 specialists.

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21 WR/RB- even in Fu's scheme is insane. We need to thin that a bit.

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I for one am interested to see how The Portal is handled in NCAA 2021

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I NEED NCAA 21

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As long as it's not a microtransaction/lootbox-fest, I agree.

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a pay-to-win portal is probably the most realistic format, tbh.

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Couple of notable transfer portal entries:

- Scott Bracey (Duke), former 4* WR from Richmond and the #2 recruit in VA for 2016.
- De'Von Graves (NC State), former 4* ATH from Appomattox and the #6 recruit in VA for 2018 is transferring to Northern Arizona.
- Terrance Davis (UMD), 4 year starter and former #3 OG in the country. Missed most of the season with an injury, would otherwise be an NFL draft pick. Wonder if we kick the tires.
- Sean Savoy (VT, then UMD). Might have missed this mentioned somewhere, but Savoy is in the transfer portal again.

Maybe Benedictine will stop pushing guys to Duke now.

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Graves is surprising to me. I thought he was getting some decent playing time at NCSU.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

NC State firing their defensive coordinator is my guess.

Their DL coach just took a job at either FIU or FAU as a LB coach. No notice from anyone he was leaving NCST.

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Do you really need to give a notice if your head coach tells you to start looking? Because going from a P5 job to a low G5 job looks like that scenario.

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Usually there is chatter around the team if a coach is going to leave.

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There was a lot of chatter about Patrick potentially moving on. Also chatter about Wiles being a strong candidate to replace him at State

Terrance Davis (UMD), 4 year starter and former #3 OG in the country. Missed most of the season with an injury, would otherwise be an NFL draft pick. Wonder if we kick the tires.

Guess not. Davis is transferring to Wake Forest.

Was he a walk-on?

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Go get you some PT big man!

He's one I would have liked to see out there when we needed a big body to get short yards.

As with all transfers who leave on a positive note, I wish him the best. Except for if he faces us. :)

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

He was a battering ram during the Spring Game. I thought he had a chance to get some PT down the road. Good luck big fella!

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This makes me sad :(

I've always been rooting for the Bowling Bell.

Godspeed to you, good sir, and ring as loud as you can wherever you end up.

Haven't seen these guys mentioned on here and honestly don't know anything about these two but per transfer portal website these guys are also in the portal

Confusing because it says Edrick enrolled earlier this month??

Looks like Vinny's brother is leaving now that he is graduating

Not sure where else to put this, but a couple of notable early entries declaring for the NFL draft:

- Mekhi Becton (Louisville), 2017 3* OG from Richmond who surprisingly picked Louisville over VT. Projected as one of the top OGs in the draft.
- Cam Akers (FSU). Akers departing means Khalan Laborn finally gets a chance to be the lead guy at FSU, and thus is unlikely to transfer.
- Lynn Bowden (Kentucky). QB we will be facing today. Projected as a WR in the NFL.
- AJ Dillon (Boston College). Glad we will no longer have to play against him.
- Yetur Gross-Matos (PSU). VT was never really in it, but a 2017 4* DE from Fredericksburg. Projected to be a 1st Round pick.

That sucks, but glad he's going to still be around the program. One of my favorite recruits in the Fuente era.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the second player to retire due to injuries. It's easy to forget how vicious this game is.

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Yes, OL Will Pritchard announced medical retirement as well due to repeated concussions. hope they both are able to get their degrees and that the support system in place helps them recover/rehab/move forward from their injuries

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One of the few rules that I like. When players decide to medically retire they still get their scholarship and help from the staff/school

Brock Hoffman has now been unlocked for 2020

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This is like unlocking a character in a DLC for video games. Could have paid money to get him unlocked right away but we had to grind and earn it ourselves instead

This is one of the coolest announcements I've seen. Good on ya big man

Any portal entries (non-VT) that VT will target?

for starters, Khalil Herbert (Kansas RB) will be joining the good guys for 2020

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He's coming in January, correct?

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

Multiple signees will be enrolling in January.

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As of today we are like 2 or 3 over the scholarship max with who we know are leaving/graduating and who we have coming in. I doubt we're really targeting anyone else right this moment but could change depending on how many people decide to retire from football (had 2 so far, Beck is another likely candidate for this category), declare for the draft (McClease has been hinting toward this), or enter the portal (expect to see a couple RBs and, judging by the youth of the starters, most likely a couple others). Hopefully the guys that fall into these categories have spoken to the coaches already so that they know what the numbers project for each position next year and can approach the proper kids in the portal

The numbers always work out, right?

I've heard plenty of rumors. We shall see how much is true.

I do know, based on the posts here and 247, the RB room will be very different.

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...depending on how many people decide to ... declare for the draft (McClease has been hinting toward this)

You're kidding right?

I like McClease, and he's our best RB for sure. But if declares early he'll make Shyrone Stith look like Kevin Jones.

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he wouldn't actually be declaring early though. He just wrapped up his 5th season on the VT Football team. Normally he'd be referred to as a r-SR, but he was granted a 6th year of eligibility since he missed 2 years to injury.

Totally up to him to play that extra year or go pro - as a football player or using one of the two degrees he's earned in the classroom at VT.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I really like McClease, and in fact I would have been in favor of seeing him used more consistently as a featured back. And I didn't realize he'd be a 6th-year guy.

I'm just saying that if he decides not to play in college next year, then he's pretty much done playing football. Not to say that he has no chance of playing in the NFL, but I really would not expect to see him drafted.

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I think it's more a matter of him seeing if he can stick on a roster somewhere and get paid for it rather than open himself up to injury risk and probably eliminate that possibility entirely

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iI'm just saying that if he decides not to play in college next year, then he's pretty much done playing football. Not to say that he has no chance of playing in the NFL, but I really would not expect to see him drafted

this is probably true but it would be true again next year too as his usage would be less, like mentioned by hokie fireman a 6th year when RBs already have the shortest careers of any players, the risk of injuries, and the fact that hes done with with school and really doesn't have a reason to hang around all come in to play. if he comes back (theres a slim chance) itll be for his teammates, coaches, Virginia tech and not for himself very much.

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He's been at VT five years. I think he's just ready to move on. He is who he is at this point and I doubt another 800 yard season will somehow skyrocket him further up draft boards.

Read he actually is finishing up his second degree. I think I'd declare too. Not sure I'd go for a third degree.

Dr. McClease...has a nice ring, doesn't it?

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44 tackles (32 solo, 12 assisted) and one pass defended in 31 games over 2 years (4 starts). I'm not all up on DB stats, but the one pass defended in two years doesn't look that great. What's the chatter on him? Will he stick on the Chargers' roster?

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he logged 6 snaps on defense in 2018 and only saw significant playing time on defense in 6 games in 2019.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FacyBr00/gamelog/

edit: seems to be serviceable when called upon as a depth player, and gets run on special teams even when he's not playing defense. should stick

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Still being on a rookie contract is an important factor in the NFL. At some point - hopefully later rather than sooner for Facyson's sake - those numbers will almost certainly be replaced by someone else on a rookie contract.

But even at a minimum salary, he should have bank to pay for that medical school at the end of a rookie contract.

That makes a lot of sense. It's easy to forget that no one probably wants to play college football forever, and I didn't realize he was already a 5th year guy when I made my comment.

Selfishly, I'd love to see him come back because he's a proven ACC-caliber back, and you can't have too much veteran leadership. But if he declares I'll definitely be rooting for him 100%.

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he'll make Shyrone Stith look like Kevin Jones.

Hey now.

I have a feeling we're gonna have to move Connor and at least one other DB to LB. We only have 6 scholarship LBs left.

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Holy Hot Takes! Easy there killer.

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Depends on what defensive system Hamilton implements. I'm guessing it's similar to the current one, which is essentially two true LBs and a WHIP (hybrid LB). Even if we are getting shallow at LB, we appear to have solid talent on the roster (Ashby, Hollifield, Tisdale, Artis, Barno) and personally I can't imagine why we'd move Conner or any other player seeing the field at another position to compete with those guys.

However, it does appear that LB should a major priority in recruiting this February or the 2021 cycle at the latest.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Paging Hollifield 2.0

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To piggyback off this, it should be noted that most current college defenses primarily utilize two "true LB's" much like we do, with the other LB being a hybrid safety/olb/nickel like the whip has become.

Most NFL defenses too tbh. Nickel is the new base.

But no one gets stuck with an earworm from the Ace of Nickel.

You rang?

But they do when they bring the Nickelback!

I mean look at this photograph and you will see.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Deshawn Mcclease declared for the NFL Draft. Good luck to him.

Thank you Deshawn

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Best of luck to him. Not a surprise given his header on Twitter was changed to the NFL logo for a little while now.

Go get it Deshawn!

Malik Bell leaving for Virginia Union per his twitter. Crowded RB room a little less so now. I expect he wont be the last

He announced he was leaving over a week ago.

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he hadn't said where, though. also wasn't on scholarship

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With Run-DMC and Brown's news this week, we are down to roughly 87 scholarships by my count.

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Probably a good decision. Not a whole lot of playing time available. certainly wasn't going to be starting and was starting to get buried on the depth chart pretty quickly.

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Lot of bad PR around the program with some recent allegations about those plane parties as well.

Talk about getting passed by someone younger on the depth chart, Harry has been passed by someone that will not be born until April.

That's Princess Charlotte, born May 2015. That's an older chart.

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They forgot to add "Respect my decision!"

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But are they 600% sure? If not, it's a no go for me.

800%. The exchange rate got you.

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Don't @ them.

But definitely say "Hi" to the mom.

Don't say Hi too much to the mom though

Well, just be sure and bow (or curtsy) first.

I'm pretty sure you have to let her say "Hi" first, though.

Say "Hello" to the Mum...the Queen Mum.

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They're FSU bound. Write it down.

I'm pretty sure they're west coast bound.

Gaines in the Portal.

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Wish him all the best- kid's had a tough couple of years.

Would a correct assumption be buried on the depth chart due to injury and he is going to make one last run at playing time at a lower level school?

Although, we have a new DL coaching crew (one being an NFL connected guy) seems like they are going to come in here clean slate and he could of won over the coaches. Plus, I feel playing for a connected NFL coach would help if the NFL is his goal. Rather than a lower level school with no connections.

I imagine it's more so an issue of not wanting the defensive ends to be built like wide receivers anymore.

I seriously doubt this is the issue. They may not want this but it will take 2-3 years to happen. You do kick an experienced former starter to the curb in year 1 of a "transformation" solely because his waist is too thin and his sleeve length is a little short.

His statement:

I'll be rooting for him wherever he ends up. Always seemed like one of the good guys

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I would love for him to come back to VT, but I hope he does well where every he ends up.

Former Hokie DJ Crossen lands at NC A&T

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Crossen will be joined at NC A&T by Robert Porcher IV, whose sister Mallory is on the volleyball team there.

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Good Luck Haze! NEXT!

Again.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Not sure this is the right thread, and clearly not trying to start rumors, but I thought this was an interesting tweet from the VT football account. Given everything that happened to Grimsley it seems a lot of people expected him to leave but I would love to see him stay.

The best part of that tweet is that they tagged a Cornelsen parody account instead of the actual coach.

Will they delete this?

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The dude may want to go the FCS route. At least this time he waited until the end of the season instead of leaving his team during the season.

Weirdest part is that it's not like he was buried on the chart; he couldn't play. His transfer triggered a season sit, no?

Especially if he'd need a waiver to avoid a second sit for a second transfer?

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Damn Venebles converting defensive ends to tackles gonna earn a bad reputation

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Would like to see VT take a look at Jeffrey Gunter. Sat out last year at State. Not sure what his status is though. Was probably States best DE according to a lot of folks in the know there.

I liked the way Steward ran. Good, hard-nosed, N-S runner with a little burst and decent size. It's a shame we couldn't have gotten him a few more touches.

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Grimzley in portal too. Today was first day of winter workouts.

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Yeah say that. Kinda makes sense with his diminishing WR reps.

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I think for him it has a lot to do with health of his family member on top of touches.

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Uhhh what the hell is happening...??

Evidently it's cut day ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ steward and grimsley aren't surprises, but Pinckney sure is

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If they don't announce their in the portal until today they can finish out the spring semester under scholarship.

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This is a big point. It explains the sudden flood of announcements, but doesn't stop all eyebrows from raising.

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Honestly, I wish this was posted to the top of the header at TKP right now. Pinckney was a surprise. Hez is sad, but was not surprising. Both sound like there are more factors than just football at play. Steward not really surprising. Ladler is mildly surprising. Patterson is not that surprising.

I'm not going to say we're a better team for having a bunch of depth guys leave, but the reality of the situation is we were up against it (over the limit?) with scholarships and there was going to be attrition. I bet all of these guys and the staff knew they were going in, but to be able to finish your spring semester at school you wait until today to make the formal announcement.

The sky isn't falling, we have 3? transfers coming in, as well as a new freshman class.

There goes Patterson into the portal also.

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Sooooo are we going after any grad transfer WRs or are we gonna go three deep WR.

Though maybe Blackshear was recruited as WR.

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VT doesn't have any more attrition than other schools.. /S

Your fanboys UNC and Maryland would like a word....

Ladler I thought maybe had a change of heart, but I had heard this was likely after he lost his starting spot and saw reduced snaps.

If you don't start, you bounce.. and we wonder why we can't build depth

This is starting to suck. I don't know the stats and maybe it's because I only follow VT to a certain extent, but it does seem like we have had a disproportionate amount of transfers and/or portal entries.

Before today we were on the high end but not an outlier. I imagine other schools will also see an uptick in their portal activity. But we are undoubtedly high.

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We have a bunch of soft ass players riding the bench evidently

Idk about that, we wouldn't win against UNC last year without Ladler

We knew there had to be a lot of transfers this off season due to the small senior class. This isn't a way of letting the coaching staff off the hook... they mismanaged the roster to get such imbalance in the classes. To me the disappointment is in the roster mismanagement and in the combination of experienced guys and highly touted young guys choosing to leave. Ladler and Hazelton should have big roles next year, even if they didnt start. Pinckney should be getting ready to atleast establish himself if not break out.

We knew we had to have a lot of guys leave, we need to have better roster management in the future to prevent that and when attrition hits we need to hope it isn't contributors.

Right, you expect the transfers when it's Joe Kane or Caleb Steward. You don't expect it from Jacoby Pinckney ๐Ÿ’โ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Even grimsley and gaines make some sense but yea... would think there are 4 or 5 guys really buried that make more sense than Haze, Pinckney, Patterson and Ladler.

Ladler lost his shot at starting, and Patterson had less than 300 yards in 4(?) seasons. Pinckney is the bad look here - you would think he'd contribute this season.

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Maybe Ladler will reconsider - I hope he does. He may have lost his starting spot, but if I were Justin, I'd find a way to get him on the field. I wouldn't promise him the world to make him stay, but it seems like we should be able to find a way to keep players of value, even if they happen to lose their starting spot. You know what they say, backups are only one play away from being starters. Every decent team needs capable backups.

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Guarantee Pinckney ends up in a lower level program. The criticism here is the miss on the evaluation/prospect as he is not an ACC level player and realized it - aka he was never going to play.

He may have lost his starting spot, but if I were Justin, I'd find a way to get him on the field. I wouldn't promise him the world to make him stay, but it seems like we should be able to find a way to keep players of value, even if they happen to lose their starting spot. You know what they say, backups are only one play away from being starters. Every decent team needs capable backups.

So who is leaving instead of ladler then? My understanding (based on AB's article on The Athletic) is that, assuming no one in the portal returns, we are maxed out on scholarships. Who's leaving the team in Ladler's place?

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Gaines being in the portal doesn't make any sense at all.. he has no eligibility remaining.

Maybe Kaleb Smith, Bowick, Darryl Simmons, Jordan Payoute and the new guy Blackshear are better?๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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The only surprises to me have been Pinckney and Keene.

Grimsley - family health issues. Not a huge surprise
Patterson - the dude has never really stepped up. Talented, but he was never a big contributor
Ladler - I like the depth that he provided, but I'm sure playing time was an issue
Steward - Completely buried on the depth chart. It makes sense and I'm surprised we haven't seen more RBs go.

I thought Ladler saw the field quite a bit. Seemed like he was on the field about 50% of the time on D, plus some special teams. That's a move I don't understand if that is the actual reason.

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We were 4-5 over the scholarship count at one point?

This makes 7-8 departures between the draft, grad transfers and portal?

We've added 3 transfers back?

At least so far, looks like some accurate roster management.

Seems to me if we want to add more in Feb we will have even more attrition.

Still left to leave: more RBs or a QB?

I mean I know it seems like its only VT and its not great.

...but the 247 transfer portal page doesnt even load anymore, I think its just the way it is now.

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Since it was the defensive staff that had an entire overhaul, I find it surprising to see so many offensive players in the portal. The more I got to thinking about it the more I think this is a correction from when Fuente hired in. In the first couple of years as Fuente was trying to instill his offense and Bud was only continuing his defense, there was a noticeable uptick in the percentage of roster spots filled with offensive players. It appeared like CornFu were unsure in what they had and who they could recruit so they loaded up with players and hoped some would start to really stand out from the pack, while on the flip side, Bud and Wiles were thought to have a pretty good sense of they type of player they needed and could get them. So defensive roster spots shrunk and offensive spots grew.

Now we are in year 5, and entire new defensive staff with a slightly different approach and an offense that has started to find out which pieces are working. I am guessing there is a desire to free up some roster spots to allow TnT, Claeys, and Hamilton some room to bring on a few more bodies to try and get their vision in place. So time to thin the herd on offense with some blunt conversations with the guys who may never fit the mold and never see the field.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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i know there's been a lot of discussion about the amount of transfers we've had under Fuente, but personally i'm of the mindset it's today's world of college football. We seem to conveniently forget the benefits we've gotten out of the portal and only highlight those leaving. Off the top of my head, maybe 3-4 of these guys have "upgraded" their situation, at least in terms of going to a program of an equal or better stature (Ellis, JJ, Savoy, Hill). If other dudes want to leave and go get their money in the NFL or start for North Carolina A&T, Elon, ODU, etc...so be it. It's not ideal but not something to lose sleep over.

I think this is an important stat that needs to be looked at, what happened after the transfers. Some went to comparable schools and did nothing or are transferring again. Others went to lower schools or even different divisions. Some are contributing and some aren't.

Is it really a lose if someone downgrades the school and still isn't a baller?

I feel like I'd rather them make that move and clear up space for someone better on the roster.

I followed this series in the Roanoke Times - they listed the performance for each of our transfers every week. Link

Other than a good game or two by Jackson, there were VERY few stats the guys that transferred away put up.

So it looks like we've got 11 in the portal, and gained 2 guys...by some accounts here, it sounds like Fuente has lost the locker room, we're in a downward spiral the likes of which we'll never return.

It must be total chaos at Oklahoma, they've got 12 in the portal so far, total pandemonium, they'll be lucky to ever win another game with that kind of lack of leadership.

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VT is 14-12 the past 2 years. Oklahoma is 24-4. I'm guessing that the whole passed on the depth chart thing might be actually true at Oklahoma, since they are in the playoffs most years. I'm guessing that their young talent really is pushing the older guys and there is great competition, since they finish in the top 10 every year. At VT, that has not been the case.

Even bad teams have underclassmen pass upperclassmen on the depth charts.

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And at a school that isnt playing for nattys there is less incentive to chill on the bench

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No way, shear numbers indicate a total loss of the locker room. It's like fucking Lord of the Flies over there, only possible explanation for that many kids in the portal.

So, your official stance is that at VT, because our record is not as good as Oklahoma, it is inconceivable for players to get passed on the depth chart, and instead of wanting to spend their time on the bench, they venture to other schools to try to showcase their talents in order to achieve something they have been striving their entire lives for?

By that metric, once you establish yourself as a starter, you are a starter until you graduate, because, since we're not a playoff team, it is impossible for someone to come in and take your spot.

In reality, what you described for Oklahoma is likely true, the part you are missing is that our top talent is no where near the level of their top talent. Our top talent is much more in line with the talent level of the young guys coming in, thus they get challenged for playing time/touches.

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Your first sentence is absurd as their on field success literally contradicts that. VT's? not so much. And if our young guys really are passing our old guys on the depth chart, we should be able to compete with Duke in football. THAT is the disconnect. It's not showing on the field. At Oklahoma, it is.

My first sentence was intentionally absurd and I assumed it needed no s/ because kids transferring out doesn't definitively indicate anything about the locker room

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Give it a fucking rest dood. We know you hate Fuente and think he has lost the locker room. How many times do you need to post something negative about the program?

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LOL. Fuente had a foot out the door last week, interviewing for another job. Keep your head in the sand.

You're absolutely right. Fuente is coaching somewhere else in 2021 one way or the other.

It's far from impossible but this isn't even close to true. At best it's 50/50 but personally I'd say there's a 75% chance he's still head coach at VT in 2021.

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There's four reasons a player could be leaving:

  • Play Time - If players are leaving because they're not good enough to get playing time on an 8 win team, then that is indicative of some combination of poor recruiting, poor scouting, and/or missed Evals.
  • Culture - If the culture is bad, that's also not good, for obvious reasons
  • Scheme/coaching change - I don't think any of our transfers are leaving due to coaching changes.
  • Closer to home - not much Fuente can do about this. These are the ones you

I Assume that most players are leaving due to playtime, which as explained above, is not good. If there's still a culture, that's also not good. DC has a point, even if he's struggling to articulate it without the snark, I think he's right to have some concern.

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I mostly disagree it is not good if guys are leaving because there is no playing time available. And I mostly disagree that it's indicative of bad recruiting, coaching or evaluations. Not every player is going to work out. You sign 20+ players in most classes. The math simply doesn't work out for every recruit to get the playing time they want or think they should get - no matter what program you sign with.

If you've got a logjam in a particular class and/or at any position, regardless of record, it's a benefit to have the benchwarmers move on. College athletics, by its very nature, is about dealing with a certain number of guys moving on after a finite period and replacing them with younger guys (who hopefully are as talented as the good ones leaving and better than the not-so-good ones). It's simply not that big of a deal when guys who won't ever likely be starters (or even non-critical starters) leave. They were going to leave eventually. The mantra of "next man up" is never more true than in the college football off-season.

If you want to criticize anything, it's that the roster has way too many underclassmen - so some thinning of the herd is not only needed, it's a net positive. But a lot of why the roster is so young is a consequence of a bunch of non-seniors unexpectedly leaving early for the draft or otherwise departed the program in 2017.

The better way to look at this is the total net loss. How many seniors left PLUS how many players leave via the portal MINUS how many players are gained through the portal? My guess is that number is not significantly different from normal across FBS schools. Then refine it and look at the number of starters involved - and this is just bandwagon off-season hand-wringing.

Hazelton tweeting out an edit for Mizzou. Looks like he's headed to the SEC

This move doesn't really make much sense to me, but maybe it's closer to home, I feel like Columbia is okay but definitely nothing spectacular.

Go for it

he's from Towson.

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I'm sure it a good situation for him. Probably plenty of playing time. He'll instantly be a top 2-3 receiver. Plus, because he's a grad transfer it has to be school that offers a grad program VT doesn't (only way he could have immediate eligibility).

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He also has to get an NCAA waiver since he has already transferred.

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Well he is going to the SEC so...

Waiver application:
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From VT-Double stamp of approval.

The waiver for a graduate transfer is more or less a rubber stamp:

Graduate Transfer Waiver
The graduate transfer waiver is now typically used by athletes who have previous transferred once before and so cannot use the one-time transfer exception (even as a graduate student).

A letter from the previous school saying it does not object to the student-athlete being eligible;

Documentation that the student-athlete has been accepted into a specific graduate degree program;

Documentation about whether that degree program is offered by the previous school;
A student-athlete statement including the reasons for the transfer; and

A statement from the previous institution about the student-athlete's status on the team.

Generally the heart of the waiver is the three middle bullets. The NCAA wants to see that the student-athlete transferred in order to continue his or her academic career by pursuing a graduate degree not offered at the previous school.

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He has already transferred once and needs to get a second waiver separate from the grad transfer normal waiver.

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that's literally what he just posted the rules for

Somewhat closer to home Not even remotely closer and I'm almost certain that Drinkwitz throws the fuck out of the ball so in theory Haz could see more action through the air and not have to block as much

Who's home? Haze is from the Baltimore area, but maybe he has some ties to Mizzou. On the surface, it doesn't make sense to me. I mean, maybe Mizzou will throw the ball around, but it's still a low level SEC team, and Drew Locke isn't there anymore.

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Doesn't really matter, if whoever is lining up at QB for Mizzou throws 40 passes a game he will get way more looks than HH throwing 25 maybe and utilizing the TE way more

This isn't knocking our offense btw it's just how it caters to HH style

He also spreads the ball, best WR had less than 500 yards receiving.

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That's probably a risk he's willing to take, it's just evident his production declined when we switched from Willis. At no ones fault HH is just more comfortable with his TE and intermediate throws and I think he was looking to be a good go route/fade receiver

With Mizzou's coaching change, it's probably more appropriate to look at the App State offense. I'm sure that is what Drinkwitz sold to Hazelton -- App State had 3 receivers with 598+ yards receiving. Tre led us with 553 yards.

Route running and hands are among Hazleton's weakness. Blocking on the outside is one of his strength (when he puts forth the effort).

So in theory the worst thing that could happen to Hazleton is throwing the ball more and blocking less. Or maybe not in theory...

...Mizzou. Looks like he's headed to the SEC

Mizzou isn't really the SEC, though, is it?

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Just saw that and came to post it. Sounds evident that they are confident that the team will be just fine without them. Hope they all find a good landing spot

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I would also assume this is part of the way the numbers will work out too. If you're at the limit, you can't afford to have anyone back out and try to reclaim their scholarship.

Yeah, that too, but I'm thinking if someone like QP entered, and didn't find a landing spot he wanted, we'd probably take him back

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We need a thread for this press conference Fuente seems to be giving.

If other schools fly into Roanoke to talk to our players, that's fine.. they can come back in that scenario

Yep, once you take a coaching job, you are expected to stay in that job until you retire, or are fired.

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Yep, and once you enter the portal, you are done. Can't do a case by case basis or anything, nah.

NCAA Football Coach =/= NCAA Football Player, in any way shape or form

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Yeah! I could never be a player but coaching in NCAA 14 is a whole different story!

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well, would ya look at that

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I'm getting the high angle rescue team together for all those people who jumped off the cliff earlier today.

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Made the mistake of showing that to my dad one time back in the day. Whew he said it a lot.

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So you wanted Fuente to sign even fewer players while he held the scholarships for the guys in the portal? How long would they get? Till fall semester starts?

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Our two best offensive players last year were once in the portal. this is a bold strategy for a coach that is 14-12 his last 2 years.

And guess what he let them stay on scholarship because every case isn't the same. There is no the staff feels they need to hold a scholarship for and the staff and players have moved on.

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This new bullshit policy now means every case is the same.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

For this year. Not necessarily in the future, if a player that we absolutely need to retain enters the portal

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So why make the assinine statement to the media? Why box yourself in? If he reneges next year he will look foolish and like he is simply playing favorites and not consistent.

Because that is the position of the team for "this offseason". Next offseason, I'm sure they will evaluate who enters the portal, who they have coming in (as freshman or transfers in), and evaluate at that time. After all, the numbers always work.

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Hence my point above, if there was anyone in the portal that the staff felt they truly, 100% needed next year, they would not have made this statement, they would have let them back, like they did last year

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Fuente will look like a horses ass if he says next year "well that isn't the policy anymore".

Yeah but he looks like a horse's ass now.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Based on what I'm reading Fuente didnt say that this is the official policy period. He said that the staff decided not to take anyone back who entered the portal this off season. Anyone capable of critical thinking can understand the implication that the staff made this decision based on the unsigned talent from VT still in the portal, the scholarship numbers, and positions of need on the team. There is nothing that indicates next year would be the same and nothing he said indicates that this is VT football policy for future seasons.

Then don't announce the policy at all. If a player tries to come back say "there's no room."

It's a shit look no matter how you spin it.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

He was asked a question about this offseason... I thought we wanted more transparency? Maybe not?

You're focusing on the word "policy." Did he use that word? Did he say, "it is our new policy to not allow anyone that enters the portal to return." If not, it's a decision at a moment in time and has no bearing whatsoever on future decisions.

They are just refusing to look at what Fuente actually said and just jumping off the nearest weekly cliff.

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I know you have to lay your life down for the guy any chance you get, but wake up. This is an awful look for Fuente regardless of whether or not this is a one season thing.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

How is this an awful look? The staff doesn't want anybody in the portal back this year... last year they did... next year they might...

HF goes over the top in defense of Fuente occasionally but right now you are the one on the wrong side of crazy.

1) Because players returning from the portal saved his ass last year. Even if it's a "one season policy" it still reeks of tone deafness.

2) His own ass was looking for a new job just three weeks ago. He came back no harm no foul.

3) We're getting portal guys ourselves. You can't say if you go in the portal you aren't welcome back and then take guys from the portal too.

If that makes me crazy, so be it.

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1. He is smart enough to realize players returning last year helped him, assuming he isnt makes you look like an ass not him. Not wanting players back this year doesn't make him tone deaf, it means he and his staff did an evaluation and decided nobody who left, and is still unsigned, would make the team better coming back.

2. He was approached about a job and listened. He wasn't sending out resumes on LinkedIn. The differences between coaches and their jobs and players in the portal are obvious, numerous, and clear to anyone who doesn't feel the need to paint a negative narrative around everything Fuente does.

3. It would be stupid not to keep your options open for improving the talent on your team. There is nothing wrong or illogical about saying we dont want guys back we dont think make us better but we might want some others who would.

1. So "this is home" was all a lie I reckon.

2. Good god quit pretending like he wasn't beckoning for that job. He was more interested than you people want to admit. Baylor isn't coming to Blacksburg to interview a guy who doesn't want their job.

3. Yes! You should totally look there to improve your team. But you can't tell players they will lose their spot if they enter the portal then take guys from the portal and think it's a good look.

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1. Yep... marketing tool used by almost everyone, if that surprises you life has some harsh realities in store for you. This home for now would be accurate.

2. Oh I'm sure he was interested, pretty sure he would have taken it if offered. Still, he wasn't shopping himself to any and all, an unexpected opportunity with more money closer to home came up and he was interested. The differences between a coach having interest in an unexpected opening and a player in the portal are obvious, numerous and clear.

3. From what I have seen this isnt a hard and fast policy for the program moving forward. It is a comment on the players in the portal this off season. I would agree, a policy of never accepting a player back from the portal again would be stupid... that isnt what this is. People are making it that because they want to create negative narratives around Fuente at every turn.

Anyone with critical thinking skills would realize that Baylor did not blindly target a .500 coach as a top 3 candidate for their job. Coaches don't post on linkedin, correct but his agent absolutely contacted Baylor. Bank on that.

I absolutely recognize that Fuente had interest in Baylor... that isnt at all the same as a player giving up a scholarship and entering the transfer portal. The similarities end at the end result being the possibility of a departure.

Pointing out every step Fuente makes is not a monumental face-plant is not laying his life down..

Some of yall are so far negative on Fuente that simply being neutral seems radical.

Justin Fuente has had 1 losing season in 4 years in a rebuild...what were you hoping for?

maybe Justin Fuente should have won the coastal at least once in that time period.....

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time will tell if two years ago was a blip with an extremely young team or a trend, but there needs to be a whole season of evidence to point to a trend, not coming off 8 wins

8 wins... including Furman, Rhode Island, ODU, and horrible GT recovering from the triple option. a loss to UVA for the first time in 15 years, and an embarrassing loss to a one player Kentucky team in the bowl game. And then trying to escape to Baylor. To me, that doesn't offset the "blip" that everyone thinks 2018 was.

And that UVA game and that one player Kentucky team was all on the defense. I'm sorry but we scored 30 points in both games and the DEFENSE couldn't hold the lead. With multiple opportunities to get off the field. The defense couldn't. Should we have scored more points, absolutely, but 30 with a "legendary" defensive coordinator should be enough.

Oh, OK.

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This is a great way to build culture!

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Could you imagine how bad we would have been this year if Fuente had this policy in place when Hooker entered the portal last winter?

This policy seems... counter-productive at best. Extremely hypocritical only a month after this same man publicly flirted with Baylor about their job.

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100%. An absolute clown show of a press conference. National media is laughing at us.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is Fuente is shutting off the door to players who entered the portal, but by God let's still take advantage of it by bringing guys in. Awful look.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Where is national media laughing at us? Where is it indicated that this is VTs new policy on transfer portal entrants from here on out not just a comment about thus offseason?

I've seen tweets from national writers from the Atheltic, Banner Society, as well as some ACC based journalists.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I havent... care to share them here?

Sure!

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Looks like a bunch of people I've never heard of trying to be funny by making a logical fallacy... not the national media turning VT into a laughing stock.

Thank you for moving the goalposts. It'll save me from embedding more tweets.

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I'm not moving goalposts... I just dont think this qualifies as national media mocking us... if it does for you then that's fine but none of these people move the needle for me and I'd assume they dont for most people but I could be wrong about that. Thanks for the effort finding and embedding the tweets, legs for that.

The point is just because you've never heard of them doesn't mean it doesn't count. There's an entire thread on r/CFB about it with nearly 100 comments about it lol.

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Yea I mean 100 comments on reddit wont change the world, I just have a higher standard for getting my panties in a bunch I guess.

No you just think your individual opinion on these writers, who are well known in the CFB community, is way more important than it is.

Yea I mean we should all probably hold our breath until we get the next witty tweet from Alex Kirshner, Lauren Brownlow and Joe Ovies...

Seriously, maybe I live under a rock, but I cant imagine any of these people influencing our football program through their twitter accounts.

atta boy

You not knowing these people doesn't mean a damn thing about their relevance. Talk about some meaningless anecdotal addition to the conversation after he took the time to embed a litany of examples, many of which came across my and many other CFB fans twitter feeds because the Athletic, Banner Society, etc are very popular CFB outlets.

Exactly. And all of which have more bearing on the national perception of our program than most of us care to admit.

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He's being clowned upon badly in NC right now, and justifiably so. Given what is going on with the push for improved recruiting at UNC and NCSU, situations like this might see that whole NC2VT pipeline dry up quickly.

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Push for improved recruiting at NCSU? I thought they moved on from ace recruiter Dez Kitchens while adding Wiles and Mitchell, who we didn't want largely because of recruiting.

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It's such a stupid take...I don't get why so many are making the comparison

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Especially after entertaining Baylor's offers

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Everyone keeps mentioning "policy". What policy? He said we will take it on a case by case basis and this year we decided we don't need any of these guys to come back. Next year they will look at it on a case by case basis again and decide. What is so crazy about that?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Now imagine if Whit had this same policy about coaches.....

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For the record, we are the ones calling this a policy, based on what I'm reading from Bitter and elsewhere this is just insight into where the players who entered the portal this year stand. Nothing said indictates that this is official VT policy from here on into eternity. Dont bitch about wanting more access to the program then make shit up and complain when you get it.

THEN WHY MENTION IT IN SUCH TERMS???????

Did Fuente say this is policy for the program moving forward or did he say the staff decided not to take back any players who entered the portal this offseason...

These are very different statements. From what I've seen the rational statement about this years portal entrants was made and people here are responding as if the irrational policy was enacted.

Coach, you had some guys enter the portal in the offseason, any chance they could return to the team? "We are moving forward with what we have." Can you elaborate coach, are they not allowed back? "The portal deal is tricky, you gain some, you lose some, but we are happy with who we have on the team for 2020"... That or just go Bellichick and say "I'm not going to discuss anything but the players that signed today" - which is how he handled the Baylor question in the same presser. It's not that hard.

I'd have been fine if he made those statements but like I said before, if you are gonna bitch about not having access to the program then dont bitch when you get it... especially when the bitching you do takes a rational statement and argues as if it were an irrational policy.

The whole Chris Coleman approach of "it's just been taken out of context" means the Football communications team can't seem to figure out the nature of strategic communications. All he had to say, without embellishment, is "case by case".

and remember Coleman has been "hearing about that quote around blacksburg for a while now"

That makes it clear Fuente turning to Hooker and saving the season was a Hail Mary due to Willis flaming out and not some grand strategy.

I found out about Fuente's media session today on Twitter and instantly knew TKP was going to be in meltdown mode.

On a serious note, I am unsure as to whether or not Fuente's new policy on the portal hurts or helps us. If the idea is to deter players from entering the portal in the first place, I think it's a bad idea because I don't think it deters anyone. If Fuente truly doesn't want players who were thinking of going elsewhere to be on the team, then that is his call I suppose. What happens if this rule is in place last year? Do we roll with Willis all 12 games and miss a bowl? Does Caleb Steward become a feature back to relieve Keshawn King of getting injured? Does Tahj Gary not redshirt? All things to consider in hindsight.

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Do we roll with Willis all 12 games and miss a bowl?

Either that or QP gets his chance to shine instead of HH.

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I imagine this would have happened given the way they pulled Willis in the UNC game. I'm just not sure it would have happened soon enough. We lose that Miami game without Hooker.

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Fuente needs all the positive media attention/recruiting news he can get.

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The same stuff has been said about Dabo having a double standard about players being paid but also making $10 million a year. Doesnt seem to have impacted Clemson.

At this point Fuente haters will see what they want to see, and Fuente backers will see it differently.

I REALLY want to say something but it's a little political so im not but it would fit this situation perfectly ๐Ÿ˜‚

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I'm sorry but this makes sense if it is the policy moving forward. If a kid declares it is his intent to leave Tech and go elsewhere, we can't afford to sit here and hold his spot for him towards our scholarship number. You declare you wanna explore other options and aren't happy, then Fuente and Co. need to be able to pursue another player for that scholarship and not have to worry about the kid in the portal realizing he made a mistake and wants to come back. Worst case is it will at least make kids take the decision of entering the portal seriously and know once they do it, they better feel good about finding a better situation.

Also if Whit wants to come up with a policy that our current coach can't listen to other job offers then more power to him, but good luck landing our next head coach.

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Also Virginia Tech: Keeps Cole Beck on football scholarship, and pursues 6th year for backup O lineman though

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That's unrelated to my point. I just don't blame Fuente for wanting to secure that scholarship for another recruit, instead of being in limbo with the scholarship while a kid that has already voiced he'd rather not be at Tech declares he wants to transfer and pursue other options. At worst this makes a kid think a little bit longer and a little bit harder before he declares for the portal because now they know there's no turning back. As a Tech fan, I see both of those things as a positive.

I don't have an issue with the guys you mentioned being on scholarship because they are committed to Virginia Tech. Also for a guy that points out that we need depth, are you suggesting you want to let the O lineman gone and lose another backup?

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Dude was asked about those in the portal this offseason, then answered the question stating this offseason specifically and now people are screaming like it is official policy moving forward. Y'all can seriously be awful at times.

Its crazy... We want more access to the program and when we get it we turn a rational assessment and explanation of our current situation into outrage over an irrational policy that doesn't exist and pretend like people commenting about it on Reddit is a sign that we are now doomed... Its crazy.

What most ration fans want is not a blanket "more access to the program", no. Reasonable fans want to know why the starting WR didn't play the first 3 weeks of the season. Reasonable fans want to know why 4 star freshman aren't getting into the 4 free games if they aren't injured. Not all media access or coachspeak is equal. Answering a portal question clumsy doesn't offset that, IMO.

Reasonable fans

which reasonable fans told you all this?

ayoooooooo

I'd like to have that insight too, but what makes you think we deserve if it we cant even handle a statement about not wanting this offseasons portal entrants back...

Are you implying that you are reasonable and/or rational? Neither apply to you on TKP.

That's your opinion

Thank you!

Who the hell twisted this like it was some policy going forward. We're after NSD it's pretty well expected that if you want to be back on the team you've talked to the coach by now. Everyone in this thread looks like a bunch of idiots.

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ricky slade (PENN ST.) has entered the transfer portal. I know we not taking guys back. but we still taking new guys? asking for a friend.

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Don't care how full our running back room is, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

$5 he ends up at Maryland though.

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Agreed. the throw darts at a board recruiting approach at RB tells me Slade would be the best dude in that room. go get him.

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Hot take here. If you talk about a situation this season it doesn't directly apply to a situation last season.

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Hey guys... bad news, I have sources that say Fuente was seen eating at Wendy's today and commented he likes it much more than Cookout... when twitter gets a hold of this there will be hell to pay because you know national media stalwarts like Joe Ovies will make a mockery out of VT for it and Cookout is super popular in NC so NC2VT is likely a thing of the past... let's just pray Fuente never reveals his preference for vinegar rather than tomato based BBQ, can you imagine the backlash on reddit? That would really do us in with TX2VT even if it did open some doors back up in NC.

Edit: Still waiting for Chris Coleman to come in and clear this one up... boy will that make me look stupid.

I thought you had a higher standard for getting your panties in a wad?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I do, I'm laughing at this ridiculousness, I'm not mad or frustrated. Maybe a little bewildered by the levels people will stoop to in order to create a negative narrative around Fuente, but that would be the most negative possible description of my mood. In the end my post was a shameless attempt at humor designed to attract legs from similarly amused TKPers, so basically an average TKP post.

yet you still refuse to answer the question of why you are wearing panties in the first place...

Dont judge me... maybe I look good in them.

Narrator: He doesnt.

It's because narrative has become controlled on this site by a few individuals who post a million fucking times a day.

When you post 10 times more than the average person on every post you're going to control the tone and direction of the conversation more than most, inherently people who post more on here are more fired up about the current state of things...at least that's my working hypothesis?

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Yea but what's the weather

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Cold rainy and shitty. The worst kind. Not even cold enough to get snow

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

What the hell do you know? You're just a weatherman!

Sincerely, the stupid fishing guide.

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Our fan base is irrational and struggles with reading comprehension, going to be a long off season.

Let me try to help you guys understand this tweet.

"Fuente said #Hokies won't be taking anyone back who entered the transfer portal this offseason. Said they talked about it as a staff and came to that decision."

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Can someone embedd Chris Coleman's tweet he just tweeted

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No because I cant be mad about it.

But it applies to the thread๐Ÿ˜ข

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It's done been done

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Chris Coleman doesn't rock the boat...in order to protect his one source in the athletic department, and to maintain "access" to the exact same material the beat reporters write.

So when Joe transcribes the presser and finds the same thing is he protecting something?

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Solid leap. I'm just saying no need to quote CC as if he's somehow special. His common refrain is either after-the-fact pointing out "we were hearing rumblings about this" or "people took that out of context". It was an ambiguous answer to a basic followup question. Unforced error.

I've officially changed my position on our coaching situation. I am now pulling for a coaching change solely so I don't have to watch everyone have a dang conniption every time the head coach breathes.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I want him to win 11 so bad next year so these people that are losing their minds every time he opens his mouth have to have their soul destroyed for at least a full year.

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Why would anyone's soul be destroyed if we won 11 games next season?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I'm just assuming you (and everyone else that freaked out over possibly the most useless thing I've ever seen) want him fired so bad that he can't possibly say anything right. 11 wins would make him keep his job. You guys would then be upset.

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I can assure you I would not be upset with an 11 win season and would not want him fired.

Best to roll with your narrative though!

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Not me... I have season tickets, so not getting our ass kicked by 40 at home to a middling coastal team in 2020 would make me very happy.

Same. I don't want the team to be bad. I am just being open and honest that I don't think the staff is capable of elevating or at this point even maintaining the status VT had that Frank built.

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No cause that loss will be to UNC and they'll just say "We should have been 12-0. Told yall we can't ignore Brown and UNC in football".

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If you are accurate on this scenario, I will be extremely happy about the on field results

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

We beat Clemson and Penn State BUT WE LOST TO A BASKETBALL SCHOOL.

Let's not lose 3 coastal games, mmkay? Let's start there- walk before we run.

Our fan base has complained about 10 win seasons and ACC championships before so i think i'm good with my statement.

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Good thing we only lost to 2 last year.

I hope all of them are insanely ugly too just so I can identify the people that would rather be unhappy and don't actually enjoy watching the games.

14-12 at a football school does that to a coach... it simply does. IIWII

So when your favorite team goes 14-12 it gives you the right to make stupid arguments by making irrational assumptions about rational statements and jumping to conclusions with no basis in reality and then blame it on the W-L record of a team that plays a game?

That's a messed up head space you are in.

LOL- go read Reddit or any SEC board. LOL.

I'm aware it happens... I just aspire to a much higher standard of personal conduct than what can be found on SEC or Reddit message boards and think I am always responsible for my actions and reactions rather than blaming a 14-12 record for my asinine ramblings. I'd assume you feel the same way but maybe accountability is only important for head football coaches in your eyes.

Asinine = disagrees with Jsumm88... that's all this is. Your Lombardi in O&M is mediocre on the field and tried to bolt to Baylor. anyone who questions this or points out our 14th ranked recruiting class in the ACC is "asinine". We get it.

Asinine can be defined pretty well by a re read of your comments taking Fuentes words out of context assuming an irrational policy was implemented based on a rational statement and then defending that take in spite of clear evidence it is wrong and then claiming you are justified in your ridiculousness because "14-12".

For the record. My stance on Fuente is:

2018 and 2019 recruiting were two of VTs best classes ever. I recognize this is disputable due to changes in recruiting metrics since the mid 2000s. Based on 2018 and 2019 Fuente shouldn't be regarded as someone who cant recruit.

2020 recruiting was GOD AWFUL and has the potential to knee cap the program in 4 years. We must recruit in the top 25, preferably top 20 the next 3 years and beyond.

I'm not a fan of his roster management. This is my biggest complaint.

I'm not a fan of his public persona.

In person he is a great guy.

I wish there was more access to the program.

I wish he wasn't so loyal to coaches he worked with in the past, at the same time I like the new defensive staff even if JHams inexperience worries me.

I think Fuente needs to win 8 games next year and should win 9 or 10.

I am tired of all the drama around the program but dont bla,e him for being interested in Baylor.

I think he has given Corny too much leash on the offense and he needs to insert himself more in the game planning.

Game planning was to blame for the UVa loss.

Fuente handled the transition from Beamer well and has done a good job of honoring the Beamer legacy while making the program his.

He is too conservative managing the game clock.

He needs to get better at in game adjustments.

I could probably go on but I thinkit's clear, I'm pretty much in the middle on this guy.

Like I said, Im glad I dont appear in the middle from the fringe.

Edit: Wanted to add a couple I think are important.

Disappointed in player development in general (Deablo, Hollifield, Rivers, Floyd, Hunter, Ladler are all players I thought could have been elite) and QB development in particular since he is a QB whisperer.

Need better relationships with VT football alums.

Glad he switched from Willis to Hooker, not sure why it took so long.

2018 and 2019 were slightly above the average Beamer class.- by the numbers. A closer look at the unbalance of 4 stars- most were receivers, and lack of highly rated defensive positions of need, and decline of recruiting and relationships in Virginia brings some pause for me on Fuente's ability to recruit.

but hes 46 - 13 in all but 3 seasons of his coaching career????

Fully dipped in batshit crazy today I see.

Leonard. Duh.

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I'm having a slow day at work so I kind of appreciate it and am certainly enjoying stirring the pot, but perhaps I should stop driving DC to the point of acknowledging he over reacted might rip a hole in the fabric of space and time... then we would never know what we could have over reacted to next.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

So where did anyone get it into their heads that this is some kind of policy moving forward? Seems pretty obvious given our scholarship limit, incoming freshmen class, and the fact that those in the portal aren't expected to start that we couldn't accept portal entrants back even if we wanted to. I'm genuinely confused how anybody could possibly be mad about this.

The only people mad about this are people who want something to be mad about. There is a group of TKPers who are overly apologetic for Fuente; however, there is a much larger group of TKPers who are overly critical of Fuente and jump to irrational conclusions to create and support the negative narrative they want around him. Being in the middle gets you shot at from both sides but the nice part is it's always exciting.

You are not in the middle, but preach on.

From a perspective on the fringe I am glad that I do not appear to be in the middle.

Winning cures all ills. Win a down coastal, beat UVA, don't get stomped by Duke and Boston college and the tone of this board improves ALOT. It's not some disease or some huge shift in the fan base. It's losing. Win and things change quickly. Prove us wrong Fuente. Prove you can bounce back. Prove you can run the ball without Jerry Kill. Prove you can recruit better next year. It's a results oriented business.

How anyone disagrees with this is beyond me.

A certain Richmond Times Dispatch best reporter who is a huge LOLUVA fan has a headline saying this.

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TKP at peak offseason this early?

You fool, this isn't even its final form

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WTF people. Twitter needs to be banned because everybody got this one out of whack. Of course he isn't talking about a policy. The coaches met and agreed for whatever reason or another they are not holding scholarship spots for the guys CURRENTLY in the portal.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Maybe Fuente is just bad at the press conference thing, and needs some coaching of his own. Maybe he didn't have to try hard at Memphis, because there were no expectations, and now he has developed bad habits? I'm at a loss as to why he'd answer that simple question in an ambiguous way.

It's not ambiguous it's all right there.

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Ahhhh, it's unambiguous. That's why there are several threads trying to figure out if that's the stance going forward, if we've moved on for this year only, or what.

There wouldn't be if people actually read what he wrote from the presser or he'll go listen to it.

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He literally said it would be decided on a case by case basis moving forward. The only confusion is from summaries of what he said and people jumping to conclusions from those summaries.

"We'll always look at these on a case-by-case basis." That's it. Get back to your points. Prepare, even for a "routine" presser. Not "Correct." If you think standing in front of the press is as natural breathing, you're setting yourself up.

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Fuente can't win right now... No wonder he interviewed for the Baylor job.

Is it basketball season yet?

I know Fuente probably doesn't spend time reading what people think of him on Twitter, but STILL WHAT THE HECK PEOPLE.
READ direct quotes from his mouth before jumping to conclusions and spreading lies about what he said. I know you may be mad that he hasn't won championships yet, but relatively speaking, I think he's done a really good job here. 2nd best win percentage in the conference since he got here, and things are trending for a very good 2020 for VT football.
People with really low self esteem feel the need to criticize and hammer people for every little mistake they make, and even twist their words around to fit their narrative or make themselves look smart. It's time to step back and be honest, people. He's working his you know what off trying to get this program back to where we all want it to be.

2 questions before the 'controversial' statement. Context is key.

This clears everything up and I actually appreciate his take on this. The trash reporters twisting his words should be ashamed

Who do we have to 300 "This is Sparta!" kick into the portal to make room?

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So when our cupboard was bare he spurned us to go to PSU and post two year stats of 21 yards on 12 carries. And now that our cupboard is overflowing, he appears in the transfer portal. So what is Lechtenberg thinking right now.......

The LewDew, Professional Golf Bum

Too bad we're letting all those guys in the portal back on the team or we might have room for him. C'est la vie

Article on Utah site about the number of players in Portal last two years who not only didn't get a P5 spot but didn't get any spot at all and their time playing is over.

https://247sports.com/college/utah/Article/Is-the-NCAA-transfer-portal-r...

"Currently there are 756 student-athletes in the transfer portal from FBS teams that are still active, as in haven't been able to transfer to another school. Those 756 entered the portal between 10/15/2018 (the first date of the portal) to 07/31/2019. There are 857 active players in the portal from 08/01/2019 through 01/30/2020.
That is 1,613 transfers from FBS schools that still have not found a home. 1,008 student-athletes have transferred, not all to other FBS schools

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Give it another couple seasons and I expect the transfer market will equalize as fewer kids take the risk of losing any scholarship and more FCS programs start to earmark a couple of scholarships per cycle for FBS talent that couldn't find an FBS landing spot.

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Ronnie Walker is now in the portal. RB out of Hopewell that surprisingly picked Indiana over UVA. Brother of star 2021 recruit TreyVeyon Henderson. Ronnie also just got a prediction to transfer to UVA from the UVA 247 moderator.

Couldn't make top 2 roster spot at Indiana not sure where he will actually land then.

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Tyrrell Pigrome is now in the portal. Former QB recruit who picked Maryland over Virginia Tech.

Couple of interesting updates from previous VT recruits:

- Dillon Spalding transferred from WVU to JMU this past season. Spalding suffered a hip injury and is no longer a member of the JMU football team.
- Mychale Salahuddin, #1 player in DC and #4 APB in the country, committed to USC and switch to Pitt at the last minute. Salahuddin is transferring from Pitt to NC A&T. Quite the drop off for a once highly touted recruit.
- Scott Bracey is transferring from Duke to JMU.
- Gaddy Twins are transferring from Maryland to Alabama State.

Former Hokies OL John Harris is transferring to Mercer.

Former Hokies OL Joe Kane is transferring to Elon.

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