2019 End of Season VT Transfer Portal Watch.

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So far we've got:

DeJuan Ellis > UMD
Joe Kane > TBD
Robert Porcher IV > TBD
Nathan Proctor > Played at Iowa Central C.C. this season and now looking to bounce back up it appears.

I'm sure there will be plenty more to come but hopefully we can avoid losing many major contributors this time around.

I'm only adding players leaving the 2019 squad prior to the 2020 season. I'll have a graphic up like for NFL I do later this week.

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Man, I remember us being really excited about these two. Too bad.

I don't want to lose any QB's or O-lineman/D-lineman. You are only 1 play away...


With 3 freshman starters on the O-Line I think it's highly likely we'll see some attrition there. D-Line not sure who else would leave as it seems like quite a few guys were getting reps.

Technically we already have one OL in the portal (Kane) and one DL (Porcher, plus Proctor if you wanted to count him).

One of my sauces prior to Pitt game named a QB who was planning to enter the portal. Frankly, I thought it would be announced the day after our last regular season game. Since that hasn't happened, I don't know if it means he's having second thoughts.

Hopefully not a QB from the two-deep

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Realistically you're going to have 1 QB transfer in and 1 transfer out just about every season. It's just the nature of college football these days. After Willis, we still had 3 guys who were pretty highly rated out of HS with multiple years of eligibility left + Kadum with 4 years, so it was always pretty likely at least one QB was going to transfer after this season. With the way things shook out this fall, I think the writing was on the wall, and I don't think anyone should be too surprised by this. Always disappointing when the visions of grandeur that we have for certain incoming recruits don't play out that way though.

Reading between the lines here....QP is on his way out the door. No one would bat an eye if it was Kadum, Braxton isn't going back to back transfer portals (unless sitting this year allows him to instantly move). Hendon goes into next year as the starter/competition with Braxton so I highly doubt it's him. I don't think we can be too upset about it if I'm correct. Hendon goes into next year as a R-Jr, then if all goes well we sign DD in December. That allows either Hendon to be a SR starter and DD to start his sophomore year, or if HH goes to the draft and DD is ready it goes from there.

Love QP and hope he remains a Hokie. Realistically, though, while he has NFL measureables, is there any real chance he develops enough to be an NFL quarterback?
Question from me not being that intelligent regarding playing football: since QP was primarily a runner as QB in high school, would it make sense for the coaching staff to try to convince him to make a position switch to running back (or tight end)?

There is no basis for the speculation on QP. He is only going into his 3rd season and transferring would result in sitting out and not developing as much. He knows this and likes VT. Patience

IF he is interested in transferring, I would think a senior transfer would make much more sense.

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Right? And the 2nd string QB is always one play away from becoming the starter.


He's second string today. What happens when Burmeister is eligible? Does Hooker become second string and Q moves to third? There are many possible scenarios. Anything is possible.

I won't be too surprised if that is what happens.

I think if Hooker moves back to QB2, Fuente might actually get run out of town...unless dude comes in and lights it up, but on his first INT folks will lose their shit

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I think HH will be QB1


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While everyone, including me, is high on Quincy's upside at QB, he has a LOT of growth before becoming an NFL-level QB. Logan Thomas was much further along at this same point in time.

QP is an elite runner at his size. I would love to see him as an H-back and let him go. He would have a bright NFL future in that role.

Logan barely played as a redshirt freshman. Tyrod senior season. Just give QP time

It's so clear now... The secret to being in this quarterbacks room is dual initials.


The writing on the wall is in sharpie, QP out /s

No wonder RW had his struggles...

Deshawn McClease made a prophetic tweet today

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If he leaves I bet it's for the NFL. This was his fifth year in college and has the degree already.

I would be surprised if he leaves. Just had his best season yet, but still a ton to prove before making the league.

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He's got his degree and he's set on trying to make it in the NFL. A 6th year only risks injury and other setbacks.

Also there's a WR that's on the way out but wouldn't shock anyone once announced. I'm sure it's been hinted here somewhere

Well, so much for all these returning starters next year.

Has his Twitter background always been the NFL logo, or did that change coincide with this tweet? I'd hate to lose him, major contributor down the stretch.

Is the receiver you're hinting at one of the 3 starters or one of the redshirts? Really hoping neither of those categories.

NFL just happened.

Was expected to be in a bigger role just never materialized. Not top 3

Well damn, with all the Farley / Hazelton / Deablo talk it never even crossed my mind that we could lose McClease. Was really looking forward to having him next year. Wish him the best.

Hoping Holston recovers fully and he and King and Gary / Steward can step up next year.

King, Gary, Bell and incoming JC RB Marco Lee could still be really good assuming McClease, Holston, and Steward really don't come back. Any word on Terius Wheatley? He did good on jet sweeps and seemed to have promise but I don't recall him getting to really play running back. Is Cole Beck still with the team?


Is there talk of Holston and steward not coming back? I assumed both were.

Hearing Holston might be hanging up the cleats. Injuries just not worth continuing.

904 posted he didn't think Holston would play anymore, and also rumors that Steward is not happy.

Yea, I can totally see McClease (has a degree and I doubt he improves at this point in his career), Holston (health), and Steward (bench rider) leave.

Wheatley can't hold onto the ball. You can't play RB for Justin Fuente if you can't hold onto the ball.

Likely that all of those first three come back. Clease is potentially hanging it up, and I think we see another 2 or 3 RB's transfer out. Room is being completely rebuilt

Soooo is King in the out crowd, or the rebuilding crowd?

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I could be wrong but I don't think anyone has been trying to give any indication that King is in the "out" crowd.

I think it would be wise to expect 2-3 of the following RBs to not be around next year:

At least 3 of that group.

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I've always maintained that Beck will never play a non-garbage time down at RB for VT, and I stick by that. We are playing with 84 scholarships, IMHO.

Yep. One look at his HS film and you could tell his only chance of seeing the field would maybe be as a kick returner. Maybe.

But...his speed...it's so deceptive.

Yep- everyone in the ACC has some speed on their team. Beck is not a football player and we are simply supplementing a track scholarship at this point. Not wise, IMO, but IIWII.

If I remember correctly, there was a lot of people up in arms that we didn't offer him because he was a "local" product. I wouldn't be surprised that CJF wasn't trying to promote a little Blacksburg "charity", so to speak. I think that it was a bad move, but see that it hurt us over all.

I think that might have been a very small part of it. The major part of it was that we did need some bodies late, but not necessarily a track guy. It was a gamble due to needing bodies.

I don't think CJF does charity. Beck had offers as a RB from half the ACC?

I don't think that is true. Not real offers anyway.

He had a bunch of G5/FCS offers and several P5 offers (mostly ACC and one SEC) reported by 247 (link). Do you have any reasoning behind why you think they weren't "real offers"?

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Fuente is offering 150 kids for 14-15 spots in 2020. You think they are all real/commit-able?

You're implying something about Beck's offers that can't be proven one way or another. We have no way of knowing where he was or wasn't a take aside from the one school where he wound up signing.

Even if you assume that every school that offered Beck was only bringing a class that was roughly 10% of the offered schollies, that in and of itself doesn't mean that Beck was in the other 90% for every school that offered him.

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In my opinion, not all of his offers were commit-able. This opinion is backed by the fact that 1. Schools send hundreds of offers out for 25 spots max each year, and 2. Beck did not play a snap anywhere for VT when they had 4 free games to do so. He was a late offer/take to begin with and if healthy this year would have been behind Clease, King, Gary, Steward, Holston, Wheatley, Bell at minimum. So yes, I don't anticipate him to play a meaningful RB snap at VT and no I don't think those BC and UNC offers were commit-able to name two. If he played HS ball in Blackburg, Montana he would not have gotten a late VT offer.

UVA, UNC, and Pitt all badly wanted him

Part of the McClease potentially leaving is probably due to King getting much more reps next year. Seriously doubt King is going anywhere.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Come on, seriously? DeShawn McClease, as a RS Senior is going to bounce after starting most of 2019 and getting the most carries because or King? 1. What indication did you get this year that the coaches trust King to carry the ball 25 times? and 2. What indication have we gotten from McClease the past 4 years that he is an undisputed #1 back that is above splitting time? This is out of control. We will literally have zero depth if everyone that doesn't get 80% of the snaps in a game leaves. It's insane

I think if McClease leaves it will hurt next years team, but I also think it would be understandable. He wont improve his draft stock next year (which might already be non- existent) and playing another year of football in college and taking those hits would actually probably degrade his draft status. He might just be done with football.

That would make much more sense. I love DeSean but he is too small to play RB in the NFL with his skillset. Now if he came back with some promise that they will feature him in the passing game to improve his stock, that might be a viable option.

I can't fathom why he wouldn't come back unless he just leaves football. He would play a big role even if not the primary role. I can't see an NFL future for him, unless I am way off base.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I think the rumor is he's just done with football.


The rumor is that he's giving up football altogether. But even if he weren't, his role with definitely decrease next year. King will be ready for a bigger load, and those goal line carries that he got this year will likely go to Lee/Gary. His counting stats are almost guaranteed to be worse next year

Add on to the fact that being a 6th year running back at his size could lead to injuries (which he's struggled with his whole career), this is definitely the best time for him to take a shot at a professional career

This year (2019) is McClease's 5th year at VT. He received a medical hardship waiver for an additional year of eligibility. That doesn't mean he has to exercise it. If he wants to give the NFL a shot it may be the best time for him to do that. NFL RB's have very short careers even when drafted.

That being said, I would love to have him on the team next season because it seems like he's getting better and better at being successful in Fuente's offense. He could also wrap up a Masters degree.

If every guy with skills similar to Farley, Hazleton & Deablo is thinking of leaving early, it's going to be a very crowded draft.

I think Farley may be the exception. He has skill that not many athletes possess. However, he is still raw and I believe his draft stock would be greatly improved with another year. But, I have no doubt he would get drafted. Another healthy year could launch him into a day one pick.

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So he has skill most don't possess, but is raw and his draft stock would be improved with another year (which I mostly agree with).

How does that make him an exception to what I wrote?

There aren't enough people with Farley's skill to crowd the draft. There are enough people with more experience to shove him down the draft board. I would not view him as somebody at risk of not being drafted which is what I assume you were insinuating (bubble guys so to speak).

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We largely agree on your assessment of Farley. But take off the O & M glasses. There are probably at least 10 underclassmen in college football with a "comparable" skill set. Plus graduating seniors.

That makes for a crowded draft - which was my point.

I guess that is where we differ. Without O & M glasses I think he has a skill set including speed, length, and coordination when attacking a ball (super fast hands) that is unique and he is an all-American talent. He doesn't tackle well yet but has shown extreme improvement.

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Here's a few underclassman CBs off the top of my head who are in a comparable league to Farley:

CJ Henderson
Jaylon Johnson
Josiah Scott
Cameron Danzler
Harrison Hand
AJ Terrell

IMHO Kendall Fuller was a much better natural CB prospect than Farley is right now and Fuller went in the 3rd round. Yes, he would have went higher without the injury concerns, but still. Farley should return, unless he gets a legitimate- not fake- 1st or second round projection from reliable NFL people.

I agree Fuller was a more natural prospect, but for what my opinion is worth (not much) I actually like Farley to have a higher ceiling. He's only played CB for 2 seasons now, and, man, he has come a longggg way. To your point though, I would add that Farley has his own injury concerns. Knocked out of the UNC game, missed the UVA game, obviously missed an entire season earlier in his career with a torn ACL.

I think he would benefit a lot from another season (just look at how much he improved this season from last season), but I actually wouldn't be shocked if his injury history actually pushes him toward entering the draft, to lock-in some life-changing kind of money. No matter where he gets drafted, a 4-year rookie deal is worth at least $2M. Hoping he comes back though.

As a frosh, Fuller was much better than Farley. And much more versatile. Granted that Farley was coming off a major injury and was learning a new position, but Fuller was still the better overall CB at the end of their Soph yrs.

Injuries are what really hindered Fuller. Remember he didn't even run, etc at the combine. He would likely have been a 1st rd IMO without the knee injury.

Fuller also had injury concerns in the draft. Believe he had just come off surgery and had missed majority of the season. He was a considered a top 2 round talent.


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I hope not. He got some decent time this year and I want to see how far he can take us in O&M.

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Phil...not Quincy

Eh, I can apply my comment to either of them. I agree I'd be less surprised about Phil transferring than Q.

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My guess without knowing anything would be Grimsley

Go for it

Sounds like he's had a rough time with his mom's health and all. I hope he stays, but if he decides to be closer to her, I can't blame him.

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That was my guess as well. His replacement on punt returns by Robinson was long overdue, and his play otherwise was unremarkable. I know he has skills, just seems like he/we haven't figured out exactly the best way to use them.

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But, man, does Hezzy love to punish people in his first year. That edge has disappeared after the FSU game, though...

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Yeah makes sense, but one's gotta know when you got a chance and when you don't. McClease won't get drafted this year.

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wouldn't get drafted next year either. if he ever has a chance this is the year. would lose reps to king next year and lose #s. if he came back it would only benefit VT with having senior leadership and a dependable guy around with some experience.

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Without inside knowledge I'd expect multiple WRs to transfer. Grimsley, Patterson, and Simmons seem like obvious candidates to me due to their PT

I've "braced" myself for these 3 names heading into the off season. Anyone above those, WR wise would be a disappointment.

Isn't Patterson going to be a junior? Hope if he transfers that he already has his degree

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Phil Patterson was a redshirt junior this season. I would imagine he is graduating in December or May.

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His banner on his twitter page is "NFL" - best of luck to him in the pursuit!

Holy hell I cannot take another offseason of transfers and torment, especially after losing to F%CKING UVA.

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Better get used to it. Coaches are starting to figure out how to use the portal to their advantage

Agreed - new reality every year. Kids who aren't going to make a difference can leave and essentially be recruited over by the coaches. Clearly there are pros, but everyone panics because it's a familiar name.

Southern Methodist immediately spring to mind.

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I hope we've learned to use it to our advantage too.

Best get used to it the portal is gonna be big till they try to limit it potentially

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Yeah we lost some guys to transfers but we've also brought in some good transfers too (Jerod, Willis, Hazelton, Burmeister, Hoffman, etc)

did you know that hazelton and willis were roommates and workout buddies while they were sitting out for a year?

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Evans wasn't a transfer.

yes he absolutely was

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This gif... I can't stop watching, it's hilarious!

Are we talking the same Jerod? Because Jerod Evans was no more of a transfer than a high school kid is.

He used up his eligibility at JUCO. He had to go somewhere. JUCO grads are not subject to transfer rules, correct?

I'm not sure what your point is, he wasn't a transfer to us because he went to JUCO after leaving the Air Force Academy? He had two years of eligibility when he joined us, he played one and he elected to forego the other.

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My understanding (someone who is more knowledgeable than me is welcome to chime in) is that, technically, JUCO's, and transfers are all subject to different rules. FWIW, JUCO's are tracked differently than transfers on the recruiting websites.

But I think your point is well taken - JE did not come to VT directly out of high school, and joined the team after play on another college football team.

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Good grief. Where exactly did he "transfer" from? The school he had already graduated from and with which he had no more eligibility?

Not one bit of what you write makes him a transfer. He simply signed with Virginia Tech as a JUCO graduate. Again, he was no more a transfer than a kid signing out of high school or a prep school.

Virginia Tech will take any and all football transfers from an accredited 4 year/graduate study institution in good academic standing. Not so with a JUCO graduate. VT imposes limits because they are not the same category.

The point was - and remains - he was not one of the guys brought in as a transfer. He was recruited as a JUCO graduate.

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Devil's advocate: Are grad transfers not actually transfers? They graduated from their previous school with a bachelor's, and move on to play for a different school while officially pursuing the next higher degree, right?

That's still a transfer. Just doesn't require the normal NCAA-arbitrary-rules-that-favor-the-bluebloods to get immediate playing time.

You kind of answered your own question by calling them grad transfers.

I think I am going to try something new. I'm going to ignore recruiting and transferring and just check the program come August. This shit is not worth us getting all worked up about.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

That's what I usually do, ignore most of the transfer/recruiting threads, not worth the heartburn. Game threads, too.

It's simple really.

Get moderately excited about guys who commit, get slightly more excited when they sign their LOI - and not worry at all about guys who leave. They all leave eventually - in the blink of a figurative eye - and get replaced by someone else. It's inherent in college sports. And life.

Dude, that is the move for sure. I barely pay any attention to recruiting. This season I hardly recognized half of our players because of it lol. But it certainly removes you from possible, meaningless agony over what these kids do.

Good luck to Mclease if he leaves...that dude can block for a little man...he was always picking up the blitz.


Blocked his butt off in the bowl game.

I saw a post on the free side of 247 that stated Farley leaving is very unlikely.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

He wants to stay and get pointers from Torrian Gray, DeAngelo Hall, Macho Harris, Brandon Flowers, Corey Moore, Kam Chancellor, and Bruce Smith when they are hired next week as co-defensive coordinators.

Don't worry guys, they're also going to keep Justin Hamilton as co-defensive coordinator in waiting.

Leonard. Duh.

Damn two coaches for entire offense. Bold strategy Cotton.

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Based on what I hear on this board, reducing to two would be better than what we have now.

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I'm sure that Michael Vick and Kevin Jones will tweet their willingness to join the staff any day now.

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No OL or TE coach?

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I mean...we didn't have either in the 2000s...

We put the K in Kwality

No OL or TE coach?

I thought that's where the DL and QB coaches came into play

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Saw Will Pritchard is giving up football on his IG - best wishes to him. Injury related

That sucks. I'm assuming he's had one too man concussions based on that. Good luck to him in the future. I'm guessing this is one of the way "the numbers work out" so to speak. Unfortunate circumstances, but at least he can get a degree with his scholarship and it doesn't hurt the team.

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That portal link is quite an eye opener. Pretty much every team has multiple players with a foot out the door. If a coach was so inclined you could create a very highly ranked recruiting class of just portal players. Top flight SEC schools have 5 star players leaving...

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Problem is, most of those players come with significantly less than 4 years of eligibility, and most would have to sit out a year anyway. Also, does anyone know if transfers count towards your limit of 25 signees for a given cycle, as I'm pretty sure JUCO recruits count? If so, it's not a sustainable practice, as unless you're bringing in majority sophomores you'll be well short of your 85 scholarship limit after only a few years.

Yes they do count.

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A reverse one and done model could be set up by a crafty school. Basically always have a group of upper classmen waiting out a year to play one final season or two. Rinse and repeat. The limitation on numbers don't seem to be a disadvantage.

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FORMER 5 star players....

I think if a coach did something like that we'd have to call the team SMU.

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Still agree that he was talking about Coastal Carolina.....who had 10 entries into the portal yesterday.

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oh yeah. youre right. now I feel dumb, does he have some ties to them? he is by far the biggest brock Hoffman supporter. tweets before every game #freebrockhoffman

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Was reading about how UMD already had 5 in the portal, and that Sean Savoy hasn't been on the team for some time now.

Know it's not about VT, however figured it was interesting considering they were one of the biggest benefactors of our portal situation last year.

Plus at least one early jump to the draft. Said it when he was hired, Locksley won't have success there.

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Yep, they cast a wide net for transfers. They got a few solid starters/contributors out of it, but a lot of duds as well.

This seems like an appropriate time to post Josh Jackson's end of season statline.

98/207 for 1,274 yards, 12 touchdowns, and 6 interceptions. Also keep in mind that four of those touchdowns come from the Howard game.

He also made one solo tackle, which is nice.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

was it against UVA to save a touchdown though?

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I'm hearing Josh wants to transfer and play at the FCS level next year

Dang, I still remember when he was in HS committed to VT and seeing people claiming him to be "the next Marcus Mariota"

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Wait- Someone actually said that?

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Blows my mind the mental gymnastics people used to convince themselves he was anything other than a low ceiling, mid floor type guy. He looked like that guy coming out of high school, he was exactly that guy for VT, and he went to Maryland and was maybe even a little worse than that this year, but Maryland is in a rebuild at the moment so it was a less favorable situation than, say, 2017 VT with a top 10 defense to take the pressure off our offense.

Just a note that it wasn't necessarily VT people saying that at that point.

Sure, but all throughout his time here, and even the first few games of this season when Maryland was hot before imploding there were people on this site lamenting the loss of JJ has if he would have had us lighting the world on fire.

When you practice in the parking lot of the Big House and Michigan doesn't offer? yep.

It actually shows what a good job the coaching staff did with him for him to be pretty solid as a redshirt freshman.

He was not even remotely solid after UNC

Playing with a broken foot and jacked up throwing shoulder will probably do that.

Prime example for the "stars don't matter" crowd.

JJ was a 3 star. Sometimes those work out, but often not for a P5 school that wants 10 wins.

Hooker, the better QB, is a 4 star. As was Evans, LT and Tyrod (5 star), the last QBs to get us to 10 wins.

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Conversely, Nathan Proctor, Dylan Rivers, and Devon Hunter were 4 star players that are/were behind the depth chart to lower rated guys. There are many more examples- just at VT. Ashby is a better player right now than Dax... that's another.

Good points, I guess my point is that you can't win big with an average QB recruit

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Can you really list Rivers here? I have to think his neck injuries were a major part of him not playing up to his full potential.

I dunno. I was told multiple times when bringing in Willis' stats from elsewhere that "tHosE ArEnT CoMParAbLe".

Bitter is reporting John Harris into the portal. I liked his game, but it has to be a good thing that we have solid starters so young for him to want to transfer for PT.

He was passed on the depth chart



Yep- OL depth is one of the key things that separates good teams from bad ones. In the transfer portal era, we are going to have 5 starters and a prayer because solid 2 deep guys like Harris are bouncing. The drop-off is going to be huge- even next year. It's sad. Harris has 2 years in the weight and film rooms. A true fresh is going to be light years behind that. Our OL depth for 2020 just took a huge hit.

I don't see how our depth will be an issue next year compared to this year's.

Hoffman will become eligible, which will allow either Hoyt or Hudson to slide over to the Guard spot, while Hanson can provide depth for the other Guard spot. Cannon seems versatile enough to be 3rd string at either spot.

Center depth with Hoffman and either Hoyt or Hudson should be the same or better than this year.

Tackle depth is Darrisaw and Tenuta starting, with Jackson, Culver, and Dzansi providing depth.

There would be no true freshmen in the 2 deep, allowing Clements to redshirt.

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Good post. Hoyt has been here forever. And we need to account for injuries as well. Bottom line- IMHO Harris can play at this level- he is not one of these "well he was never going to play guys"- I don't believe that. He's versatile, strong and would have helped us next year. If he truly wasn't going to see the field, we should be damn good next year.

Additionally, Aiden Brown could theoretically switch back to OL as depth at DL has seemingly gotten a lot better

Pertaining to your comment about we should be damn good next year if Harris wasn't going to be seeing the field, I would actually have to disagree somewhat with that analysis. If we are damn good, I would expect second and third teamers to get significant reps in these hypothetical blowouts, ie., everybody plays.

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Wasn't Harris the guy that chose us over Clemson?

I think Jesse Hanson was the one who had all the Clemson family, but chose us, even with a late offer.

I don't think Harris was going to be in the 2-deep. Even without Hoffman stepping in to push for starter reps at Center we have Hudson and Hoyt who would seem like they'd play @C over Harris.

Was he productive? dont seem to remember him having a very good game the time he did start, and if it was purely recruiting reasons, why did cannon get the rotation role with nester/lecitus smith? it looks like to me he was at best the 4th option at guard this season, and will likely get jumped further once hoffman is eligible next season.

He was a RS Freshman that played in real games this year. He would likely be in the 2 deep somewhere next year. If VT has 10 lineman ahead of Harris coming back next year, we should go undefeated. But in reality that is not the case. Around game 3 someone will be injured and we will have a thread on here about how we can't block inside because we are playing another true freshman at OG. Our level of attrition the past 2 years - regardless the reasons- is killing us and will continue to rear its ugly head.

Would've been 3rd string at best, like he was this year. Hudson and Hoyt ahead of him at center, Hoffman, Cannon, Nester ahead of him at RG. Hoffman would also probably be the 2nd string center and LG if anything happened to Hudson or Lecitus. Harris was BURIED on the depth chart

Alot of speculation in this post, and where did you have Cannon on the depth chart last December? Buried, I'm guessing. I'll bookmark this post when a couple of OL go down and everyone on here is complaining that we couldn't run the ball last game because of the true frosh that had to play on the line- like way back in 2019.

I certainly would have liked to keep Harris, because I think he is a good depth piece and could be a good player, but we are actually carrying a lot of OL on the roster for the first time in awhile. As far as scholarship allotment is concerned this is actually not a place where losing a couple guys creates a dire situation. That does mean there are other position groups that could be in trouble with a couple transfers.

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Fair point.

i do try my best to stay away from unfair points

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They don't play by anybody's rules, not even their own.

I was actually the first one on here to say that Cannon was making noise at RG back in August sooooo

You really think Hudson holds Hoffman off @C ?

VV does not teach technique.

uh, that's a bold statement. And one not really relative to Harris being buried on the depth chart. One of the side effects of having great freshmen is that players who get passed by those freshmen may decide they don't have much PT in their future and look to transfer.

didnt get playing time over the true freshmen for recruiting reasons.

So let me get this straight.. you think playing FR all over the line was for recruiting reasons and not for 'best chance to win / projected starters were injured or ineligible' reasons? Because somehow it's going to help recruiting to have the OL positions locked up with underclassmen?

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That incredibly small 2020 class might not be so small now

I can't imagine how hard it is to make numbers work with the portal. I mean these kids aren't for sure gone. They can pull a nevermind in an instant an now your squeezed with scholarships/spots.

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You pull the scholly....if they put their name in the portal, they have to understand their spot is now up for grabs.

I don't disagree with this just saying that managing rosters must be a nightmare.

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You pull an SEC football or major hoops and sign them and figure out the numbers later- or "cut" guys- unpopular, but necessary if you want to win at the highest level.

sad but true

What's never discussed in the portal threads is this happened in the past. With an 85 scholly limit, how else did Beamer sign 20-30 guys a year, every year. There's always been attrition, and the numbers have always "worked out".

Year Signees 4 Year Total
2002 20
2003 23
2004 20
2005 25 88
2006 22 90
2007 26 93
2008 31 104
2009 22 101
2010 19 98
2011 21 93
2012 28 90
2013 19 87
2014 27 95
2015 24 98
2016 22 92

Tinfoil hat time... Fuente tossed the UVa game so he could recruit this week instead of gaming for Clemson!!!

The boldest of strategies

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You need more than tinfoil for a conspiracy that deep... better make a youtube vid about it with pointing arrows

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Rivenburg and Mihota weren't on scholarship.

We need like 8-9 to exit stage left to even get to 13ish commits

Counting all current commits, I have us at 85 scholarships for next year, although if my numbers are wrong, I'd be happy to adjust.

We have 4 QB, 10 RB, 11 WR, 4 TE, 13 OL, for 42 on offense; 15 DL, 8 LB, 18 DB, for 41 on defense, and 2 specialists.

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21 WR/RB- even in Fu's scheme is insane. We need to thin that a bit.

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I for one am interested to see how The Portal is handled in NCAA 2021

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As long as it's not a microtransaction/lootbox-fest, I agree.

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Just gimme dat dynasty mode in online and offline and inject that shit into my veins. I havent taken a day off work/school for a video game in years since the halo series but I would take a few sick days if they dropped a new ncaa football and basketball series

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a pay-to-win portal is probably the most realistic format, tbh.

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Couple of notable transfer portal entries:

- Scott Bracey (Duke), former 4* WR from Richmond and the #2 recruit in VA for 2016.
- De'Von Graves (NC State), former 4* ATH from Appomattox and the #6 recruit in VA for 2018 is transferring to Northern Arizona.
- Terrance Davis (UMD), 4 year starter and former #3 OG in the country. Missed most of the season with an injury, would otherwise be an NFL draft pick. Wonder if we kick the tires.
- Sean Savoy (VT, then UMD). Might have missed this mentioned somewhere, but Savoy is in the transfer portal again.

Maybe Benedictine will stop pushing guys to Duke now.

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Graves is surprising to me. I thought he was getting some decent playing time at NCSU.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

NC State firing their defensive coordinator is my guess.

Their DL coach just took a job at either FIU or FAU as a LB coach. No notice from anyone he was leaving NCST.

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Do you really need to give a notice if your head coach tells you to start looking? Because going from a P5 job to a low G5 job looks like that scenario.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Usually there is chatter around the team if a coach is going to leave.

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There was a lot of chatter about Patrick potentially moving on. Also chatter about Wiles being a strong candidate to replace him at State

Was he a walk-on?

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Go get you some PT big man!

He's one I would have liked to see out there when we needed a big body to get short yards.

As with all transfers who leave on a positive note, I wish him the best. Except for if he faces us. :)

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

He was a battering ram during the Spring Game. I thought he had a chance to get some PT down the road. Good luck big fella!

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

This makes me sad :(

I've always been rooting for the Bowling Bell.

Godspeed to you, good sir, and ring as loud as you can wherever you end up.

Haven't seen these guys mentioned on here and honestly don't know anything about these two but per transfer portal website these guys are also in the portal

Confusing because it says Edrick enrolled earlier this month??

Looks like Vinny's brother is leaving now that he is graduating

Not sure where else to put this, but a couple of notable early entries declaring for the NFL draft:

- Mekhi Becton (Louisville), 2017 3* OG from Richmond who surprisingly picked Louisville over VT. Projected as one of the top OGs in the draft.
- Cam Akers (FSU). Akers departing means Khalan Laborn finally gets a chance to be the lead guy at FSU, and thus is unlikely to transfer.
- Lynn Bowden (Kentucky). QB we will be facing today. Projected as a WR in the NFL.
- AJ Dillon (Boston College). Glad we will no longer have to play against him.
- Yetur Gross-Matos (PSU). VT was never really in it, but a 2017 4* DE from Fredericksburg. Projected to be a 1st Round pick.

That sucks, but glad he's going to still be around the program. One of my favorite recruits in the Fuente era.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the second player to retire due to injuries. It's easy to forget how vicious this game is.

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Yes, OL Will Pritchard announced medical retirement as well due to repeated concussions. hope they both are able to get their degrees and that the support system in place helps them recover/rehab/move forward from their injuries

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One of the few rules that I like. When players decide to medically retire they still get their scholarship and help from the staff/school

Brock Hoffman has now been unlocked for 2020

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This is like unlocking a character in a DLC for video games. Could have paid money to get him unlocked right away but we had to grind and earn it ourselves instead

This is one of the coolest announcements I've seen. Good on ya big man

Any portal entries (non-VT) that VT will target?

for starters, Khalil Herbert (Kansas RB) will be joining the good guys for 2020

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He's coming in January, correct?

Tu-rod did it Mikey! Tu-rod did it!

Multiple signees will be enrolling in January.

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As of today we are like 2 or 3 over the scholarship max with who we know are leaving/graduating and who we have coming in. I doubt we're really targeting anyone else right this moment but could change depending on how many people decide to retire from football (had 2 so far, Beck is another likely candidate for this category), declare for the draft (McClease has been hinting toward this), or enter the portal (expect to see a couple RBs and, judging by the youth of the starters, most likely a couple others). Hopefully the guys that fall into these categories have spoken to the coaches already so that they know what the numbers project for each position next year and can approach the proper kids in the portal

The numbers always work out, right?

I've heard plenty of rumors. We shall see how much is true.

I do know, based on the posts here and 247, the RB room will be very different.

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...depending on how many people decide to ... declare for the draft (McClease has been hinting toward this)

You're kidding right?

I like McClease, and he's our best RB for sure. But if declares early he'll make Shyrone Stith look like Kevin Jones.

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he wouldn't actually be declaring early though. He just wrapped up his 5th season on the VT Football team. Normally he'd be referred to as a r-SR, but he was granted a 6th year of eligibility since he missed 2 years to injury.

Totally up to him to play that extra year or go pro - as a football player or using one of the two degrees he's earned in the classroom at VT.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I really like McClease, and in fact I would have been in favor of seeing him used more consistently as a featured back. And I didn't realize he'd be a 6th-year guy.

I'm just saying that if he decides not to play in college next year, then he's pretty much done playing football. Not to say that he has no chance of playing in the NFL, but I really would not expect to see him drafted.

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I think it's more a matter of him seeing if he can stick on a roster somewhere and get paid for it rather than open himself up to injury risk and probably eliminate that possibility entirely

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iI'm just saying that if he decides not to play in college next year, then he's pretty much done playing football. Not to say that he has no chance of playing in the NFL, but I really would not expect to see him drafted

this is probably true but it would be true again next year too as his usage would be less, like mentioned by hokie fireman a 6th year when RBs already have the shortest careers of any players, the risk of injuries, and the fact that hes done with with school and really doesn't have a reason to hang around all come in to play. if he comes back (theres a slim chance) itll be for his teammates, coaches, Virginia tech and not for himself very much.

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He's been at VT five years. I think he's just ready to move on. He is who he is at this point and I doubt another 800 yard season will somehow skyrocket him further up draft boards.

Read he actually is finishing up his second degree. I think I'd declare too. Not sure I'd go for a third degree.

Dr. McClease...has a nice ring, doesn't it?

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44 tackles (32 solo, 12 assisted) and one pass defended in 31 games over 2 years (4 starts). I'm not all up on DB stats, but the one pass defended in two years doesn't look that great. What's the chatter on him? Will he stick on the Chargers' roster?


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he logged 6 snaps on defense in 2018 and only saw significant playing time on defense in 6 games in 2019.


edit: seems to be serviceable when called upon as a depth player, and gets run on special teams even when he's not playing defense. should stick

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Still being on a rookie contract is an important factor in the NFL. At some point - hopefully later rather than sooner for Facyson's sake - those numbers will almost certainly be replaced by someone else on a rookie contract.

But even at a minimum salary, he should have bank to pay for that medical school at the end of a rookie contract.

That makes a lot of sense. It's easy to forget that no one probably wants to play college football forever, and I didn't realize he was already a 5th year guy when I made my comment.

Selfishly, I'd love to see him come back because he's a proven ACC-caliber back, and you can't have too much veteran leadership. But if he declares I'll definitely be rooting for him 100%.

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he'll make Shyrone Stith look like Kevin Jones.

Hey now.

I have a feeling we're gonna have to move Connor and at least one other DB to LB. We only have 6 scholarship LBs left.

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Holy Hot Takes! Easy there killer.

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Depends on what defensive system Hamilton implements. I'm guessing it's similar to the current one, which is essentially two true LBs and a WHIP (hybrid LB). Even if we are getting shallow at LB, we appear to have solid talent on the roster (Ashby, Hollifield, Tisdale, Artis, Barno) and personally I can't imagine why we'd move Conner or any other player seeing the field at another position to compete with those guys.

However, it does appear that LB should a major priority in recruiting this February or the 2021 cycle at the latest.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Paging Hollifield 2.0

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To piggyback off this, it should be noted that most current college defenses primarily utilize two "true LB's" much like we do, with the other LB being a hybrid safety/olb/nickel like the whip has become.

Most NFL defenses too tbh. Nickel is the new base.

But no one gets stuck with an earworm from the Ace of Nickel.

You rang?

But they do when they bring the Nickelback!

I mean look at this photograph and you will see.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Deshawn Mcclease declared for the NFL Draft. Good luck to him.

Thank you Deshawn

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Best of luck to him. Not a surprise given his header on Twitter was changed to the NFL logo for a little while now.

Go get it Deshawn!

Malik Bell leaving for Virginia Union per his twitter. Crowded RB room a little less so now. I expect he wont be the last

He announced he was leaving over a week ago.

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he hadn't said where, though. also wasn't on scholarship

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With Run-DMC and Brown's news this week, we are down to roughly 87 scholarships by my count.

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Probably a good decision. Not a whole lot of playing time available. certainly wasn't going to be starting and was starting to get buried on the depth chart pretty quickly.

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Lot of bad PR around the program with some recent allegations about those plane parties as well.

Talk about getting passed by someone younger on the depth chart, Harry has been passed by someone that will not be born until April.

That's Princess Charlotte, born May 2015. That's an older chart.

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They forgot to add "Respect my decision!"

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But are they 600% sure? If not, it's a no go for me.

800%. The exchange rate got you.

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Don't @ them.

But definitely say "Hi" to the mom.

Don't say Hi too much to the mom though

Well, just be sure and bow (or curtsy) first.

I'm pretty sure you have to let her say "Hi" first, though.

Say "Hello" to the Mum...the Queen Mum.

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They're FSU bound. Write it down.

I'm pretty sure they're west coast bound.

Gaines in the Portal.

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Wish him all the best- kid's had a tough couple of years.

Would a correct assumption be buried on the depth chart due to injury and he is going to make one last run at playing time at a lower level school?

Although, we have a new DL coaching crew (one being an NFL connected guy) seems like they are going to come in here clean slate and he could of won over the coaches. Plus, I feel playing for a connected NFL coach would help if the NFL is his goal. Rather than a lower level school with no connections.

I imagine it's more so an issue of not wanting the defensive ends to be built like wide receivers anymore.

I seriously doubt this is the issue. They may not want this but it will take 2-3 years to happen. You do kick an experienced former starter to the curb in year 1 of a "transformation" solely because his waist is too thin and his sleeve length is a little short.

His statement:

I'll be rooting for him wherever he ends up. Always seemed like one of the good guys

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I would love for him to come back to VT, but I hope he does well where every he ends up.

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Not sure this is the right thread, and clearly not trying to start rumors, but I thought this was an interesting tweet from the VT football account. Given everything that happened to Grimsley it seems a lot of people expected him to leave but I would love to see him stay.

The best part of that tweet is that they tagged a Cornelsen parody account instead of the actual coach.

The dude may want to go the FCS route. At least this time he waited until the end of the season instead of leaving his team during the season.

Weirdest part is that it's not like he was buried on the chart; he couldn't play. His transfer triggered a season sit, no?

Especially if he'd need a waiver to avoid a second sit for a second transfer?

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Now don't start that again.

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