I found an article saying Winston could still play even if he is charged with a felony due to "FSU athletics code of conduct that allows for a player to avoid automatic suspension if extraordinary circumstances are present.
WTF is that.. That is such a joke, someone could be charged with rape and you are just going to give him a get out of jail free card and continue playing football. I'm sorry but Rape is not an extraordinary circumstances I am sickened by the fact that FSU is even allowing this so called rule to be in play.
But I guess that's what happens when you go to FSU, they don't really have the highest standards for their athletes.
What do ya'll think. I have included the whole article and would love for others to comment or we can all agree that its sad and there's no place for this in football or the world
FSU is Sickening
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Disturbing indeed. Priorities, priorities, priorities...
I will say this: I will reserve complete judgement until we have all of the facts, and while the news that trickles down through media outlets each day is troubling for Mr. Winston, my mind keeps going back to the Kobe Bryant case. Not to say Winston is innocent...but time will tell.
The Deadspin article written yesterday certainly paints FSU athletics in a bad light, but it is not as though we were all blind to these happenings at academic institutions across the country.
Because you asked for it, here is my honest opinion. What you wrote reads like a political ad. You took something that was based on the truth, and flipped it into something manufactured.
To conclude that "FSU thinks [rape] [is] no big deal" because there is a clause for "extraordinary circumstances" is, to put it nicely, not logical. The "extraordinary circumstances" clause applies to all felonies, not specifically rape.
Read the entire excerpt from the code of conduct.
That is not the spirit of the provision that you described.
Like every other backdoor, it was written because the folks who wrote FSU's code of conduct didn't have a crystal ball.
I agree...if FSU were to actually exercise this provision and let Winston play despite being charged with something as awful as rape (which - let's remember - he hasn't been yet), then I'd have some issue with it. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a policy that allows FSU's decision makers the flexibility to make an exception in a case where it would be appropriate.
It's really no different than traffic laws that allow a cop to let someone off the hook if they run a red light because they're rushing someone to a hospital who is bleeding to death (ie an "extraordinary circumstance") instead of the law just saying "every single person who runs this red light will be arrested, period". Okay maybe not the best example but you get the idea.
I would not be surprised at all if VT has the same policy, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
Exactly. You beat me to it. EVERY well constructed code of conduct, contract, or Constitution for that matter contains this type of language for the exact reason that you stated above. Nobody has a crystal ball, and you can't write yourself into a corner.
If this kid is charged with felony assault, I refuse to believe that FSU will let him anywhere near a football field. That goes way beyond fudging a term paper, or free shoes.
I would add in that the number and breadth of actions that are considered felonies have increased drastically, much of it because of the actions of regulatory agencies, but also because of the knee jerk reactions legislators sometimes have to highly publicized crimes. As a result it is very possible to commit a felony without even realizing it. Author and Harvard Law graduate/professor Havey Silverglate wrote a relatively well known book on the subject called Three Felonies a Day, so titled because that's the amount of felonies he believes the average American commits in their daily life. Also The Wall Street Journal had a good article on how mens rea protection has been removed from many of the laws passed since the 1970s for anyone who is interested. So I'm actually encouraged by the provision for extenuating circumstances, even though I don't think it would or should apply here.
Gotta keep the Duke Lacrosse case in mind. those guys got hammered hard for something they did not do.
Charged doesn't mean guilty.
There is quite a lot to this case. If he's innocent but is kept from a once in a lifetime event just because he's accused, how is he to get restitution for that?
Let the authorities handle it but keep their feet to the fire. There is way too much going on here to make a judgement.
Let's pump the brakes here.
This entire article is misleading. Nowhere does it say what "extraordinary circumstances" are, let alone if rape is included. It is just saying that there is a gray area that has not been defined.
I agree but then why is it even being put out there that he may not be suspended. Yeah its deadspin and others but when CBS and NBC are all saying the same thing it looks awful for FSU. I will say that I'm not going to judge him(Jameis) or FSU until things come out but its already off to a rocky start.
Because it got us to read the article.
these days, Sensationalism > Content.
This is it exactly.....the source is Fansided, which is basically Sports Illustrated's version of TMZ.....as long as they hypothesize instead of report actual facts the media can say anything they want to. I for one will wait until a decision is reached by the District Attorney and then FSU before I criticize them for actions untaken.
"If" he is charged, FSU will suspend him automatically. They really have no choice even if it knocks them out of the National Championship contention. To do otherwise would cause a media super storm that nobody at FSU wants.
I would have agreed with you but after reading
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--opinions-on-jameis-winston-case-vary...
specifically the bit about the former FLST player who was brought up on charges.
I have to say if I were a FLST official I probably wouldn't trust this Meggs fellow. I would have to see how much of the case I could understand. If I disagreed with Meggs, I'd go exceptional. If I thought the player was guilty I'd suspend. Its the middle ground between the two that is so hard to determine in this case. Reasonable for charges to be brought, unlikely to be convicted... what do you do?
Completely off topic, but why FLST instead of FSU?
No idea... 45 years old grew up an ACC fan.... my guess is FLST is used by people in that demo.
I was talkin to a stupid FSU fan today and he said "I heard from a friend that knows them that this girl is like 240 lbs. so you know she is probably just seeing it as an opportunity to get money." These are the idiots in this fan base. This is also a person who defended Joe Pa and Ben Rothlesburger through their allegations. Such an idiot. His (winston) skeet was found on her underwear...dude was there and if she went right to the cops and it was hushed for this long is isn't a money grab move imo.
Winston had a girlfriend at the time. This was his was probably his side girl and most likely it was consensual because they were seen together a lot. She probably found out he had a girlfriend and got pissed off.
A girl threatened to call rape on me once because I didn't want to go out with her again and we didn't even have sex. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
But anyway, it's so that weird cases and charges don't cause a player to lose playing time. This could be one of them since we aren't allowed to know much about the case. Just because you're charged doesn't mean you did it. Take self defense, people get charged with felonies for defending themselves go through court and it's dropped.
Here's a fun fact: you're innocent until proven guilty in these United States of America. I think it's best we want until all the facts are known before we rush to judgment.
And rape is a very vague definition. Consensual sex between two people can still be legally termed rape if one of them was incapacitated (i.e. drunk). Also, someone can report rape even if the act itself was consensual at the time and they later felt like they were forced or coerced into it.
I would advise against crucifying Jameis Winston and FSU until he is found guilty (if he is even charged). Remember Duke Lacrosse. Also remember Jim Druckenmiller.
2pm Tomorrow
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1849688-jameis-winston-under-investig...
Winston to NOT be charged....
Not to be charged