I am going to try my best to do this without getting political but I found this subject interesting. Apparently the Hoo's logo has some ties to racism.slavery so they are changing it due to the current political climate in our country. To try to make this topic at least partially safe my question is more do we have any potential issues with our Logo? I did some quick google searches and did not find anything but was wondering if anyone had any more insight? Joe/Moderators please feel free to delete this topic if it is too close to towing the danger line.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/virginia-cavaliers-alter-logo-over-appare...
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They actually already changed the logo, the issue isn't political. Their "new" logo (really a rework of their older logo) specifically mentions the serpentine walls as inspiration for parts of the logo, problem is those walls were put up to separate students at UVA from seeing the slaves working at the university.
Oof, shows how much I pay attention to them outside of sports. Any insight into our logo and potential issues?
Considering ours is just two letters I can't imagine there are issues
in today's climate...I dare say, nothing is safe...sigh!
The million-dollar academic logo has that extra curve in it that stands for . . . something.
I think it stands for a waste of a million dollars
The logo dropped on April 24 had the issue. The logo dropped June 15 (a re-work of the April 24) removed the detail at issue.
And yet they still kept the beveling and the gaping blue butthole logo
The Fighting Balloon Knots!
Well, you know, because that represents Cavman riding into the stadium and falling off his horse.
So...if LOLUVA changes their logo and no one hears about...does it make a sound?
Que the x files theme😂
The whole university has a strong link to slavery...the logo is the least of their concerns
FTFY. There's no getting around the fact that the country grew with an economy based on slavery. What we do about that now is a curious question to be sure.
Whew, looks like we just missed the mark there.
I was trying to list time periods that weren't going to get a slew of "well what about this one" responses. There are plenty of other institutions that came in later periods with the stink of slavery all over them. I expect we will see some name changes on buildings at Tech before all is said and done .
I'm just glad Tech isn't old enough to potentially have any alumni on the Pylons because of their service in the CSA military.
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2020/06/08/virginia-tech-again-exploring...
Slavery is part of our collective past in the United States. I'm not sure any institution, North or South, during that time period was above it all in terms of racism.
Since the 1890 Morrill Act, The South also has an HBCU to go with the PWI Land Grant school, AND, in some states, a women's college to go with it. What's VT's HBCU "partner" school? Virginia State University. Radford was the women's college (according to their tour guide, although I've also been told Hollins was as well).
Why? B/C PWI Land Grant schools refused to admit black students.
Auburn? Alabama A&M
Texas A&M? Praire View A&M
NC State? NC A&T
Florida? Florida A&M
Clemson? South Carolina State
Florida's women's college: Florida State University
Out West, the state Land Grant School has a partnering Native American affiliated school
fwiw Some legislation made it through the General Assembly during the 2019 session for Tech and Virginia State to plan a joint degree program in technical education.
Whether or not this is common and why this had to be legislated I don't know, but I noticed this a little while back and thought it was interesting.
It's become more common. In the Maryland system, in order for a school to offer a new degree program, the other schools in the system must not oppose it. And they typically try to spread around the more specific degrees to a single school in the state. While not ever degree track is only available at a single school in the system, there are some that are. And it's become more common place to "share" in the track...so 2 years at one school, then transfer say to UMD-College Park to finish up. They are finding it's an easier transition from high school to a smaller school potentially closer to home, to prep with the base classes and life in general. There is also some intermingling with UMES and Salisbury University, where students take classes at each campus during the same semester.(Maybe 20 minutes between campuses...) It's not overly common place, but there are some students doing that in certain programs.
It's an interesting point, but I think it's even a little more complicated than that.
1) Previous to the land-grant system, higher education was limited primarily to the wealthy:
The land grant colleges transformed engineering education in America and boosted the United States into a position of leader in technical education. Before the Civil War, American colleges trained students in classical studies and the liberal arts. Education was for the affluent and entrance requirements often required proficiency in the dead languages of Latin and Greek, excluding all the working classes.
At the time, Germany was graduating 1,800 engineers per year. The US had become the leader in technical education just 50 years after passage of the Morrill Act.
- Wikipedia
2) Leads to another logical question: How did colleges in the North manage to only admit small numbers of African Americans?
They also had a few HBCUs, but mostly, they just didn't make provisions for them, and let them go to the schools established in the South. Still racism. Just more subtle.
The point is that we need to get away from the idea that anyone has a monopoly on historical racism.
3) While looking this information up, I also saw this, and it seemed worth mentioning:
With a few exceptions (including Cornell University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology), nearly all of the land-grant colleges are public. (Cornell University, while private, administers several state-supported contract colleges that fulfill its public land-grant mission to the state of New York.)
I didn't know before that Cornell and MIT were land-grant universities that somehow became private by administering contract colleges.
Correct. I am NOT condoning slavery because of the inhumane conditions the slave ships carried and how those slaves were rounded up, something rarely discussed because it is does not fit the narrative of those who desire to focus only on one aspect of slavery at the expense of the whole truth.
The Northern states had slavery, and I seem to remember the State of New York raising some heckles about Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, and the Southern states also had slavery.
What few people do not know is that it was not only the Africans who were forced into slavery. Some people do not know that the evil Oliver Cromwell, in his hatred toward Catholics, rounded up Irish Catholics and sent them to the New World as "indentured servants," which was another way of saying slavery. People do not stop and think about how states like California were built on the backs of Chinese slavery either.
If this country is to heal from the wounds of its past, it need to come to term and be honest that this country was built on slavery and immigration. Unfortunately with emotion continuing to rule the day, groupthink and hive mentality being fed, the wounds will never be healed.
State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. Still in the official name.
I picture Jack Nicholson screaming "You can't handle the truth"
Yep. I have no clue how to approach it. My junior year, there was a protest around Marshall's campus of renaming an academic building because it was named after a slave owner. The school, however, was founded in 1837 and was named after a slave owner.
Seriously, this is a stretch.
Except it's not a stretch because it was in the initial release and plenty of people cared and pointed it out basically immediately 🤷♂️
Guess we should topple statues of Thomas Jefferson too. He had over 600 slaves and fathered children with atleast 1. Heck while we are at it, tear down the Great Pyramids since those were built by slaves. The Great Wall of China is another that can go.
Point being, this is getting out of hand. Instead of whitewashing history to fit today's worldview, we should accept it, learn from it as to not repeat it, and move the F on. We've got bigger issues than a logo to deal with like a pandemic, China-India tensions, NK-SK tensions, Russian election interference, etc. But this is low hanging fruit, I suppose.
First you dismissively asked who cares, then you replied with a textbook slippery slope logical fallacy when the answer wasn't "lol literally nobody".
The great pyramids weren't unveiled in 2020 with a nod to slave labor as a feature worth commemorating with a design element. The UVA logo was.
No but there is a huge movement to rename things that are based or were impacted by slavery everywhere. In New Orleans, there is a statue to a slave owner that when he died left his fortune to start most of the public schools down there. People want to remove that statue as a reminder of the bad and forget about the good. The statue might need a revised sign to remind people of the bad as well as a the good.
Also just look at Clemson right now as well.
This isn't about that. This is about the UVA logo that was unveiled in 2020 that specifically stated the design element in the sabre handle was specifically incorporated as a reference to the serpentine walls on campus, which were built so that the professors and student's didn't have to see the slaves. When that was loudly and immediately pointed out, the university reconsidered and has now announced that they removed that design element.
this isn't a difficult conversation to have (you know, the one we're having about the UVA logo), and pearl clutching about "where does it end?" is the definition of a slippery slope that doesn't have much business being discussed here.
You keep referencing this slippery slope as a "fallacy". We have people boycotting Aunt Jemima pancakes, UVA changing a logo because of a brick wall, and Lady Antebellum changing their name. I'd say we are already full steam ahead down the slope.
gonna close this thread because you appear to be incapable of taking a hint that this conversation about "how far will it go" isn't within CGs and that it should stop.
If you can't see a difference between the great pyramids of giza existing and modern day product branding that is aiming to capitalize on historical racial inequality, that's on you.
The conversation so far has been way more within CGs than I thought it would be -- I'd advise everyone to keep it that way 💁♂️ this is one comment away from turning ugly quick tbh