Didn't see any other tips on this, so I figured I'd start something. I'm sure we all know Winston Jameis Winston got himself a Heisman trophy tonight. Thoughts?
Personally, I would have liked Andre Williams to win it, putting up those kind of numbers on a team where he's the only weapon is impressive, in my opinion. But the Heisman is all about flash these days, and so I understand why it wasn't him. I also think it's good for the acc not only to win the Heisman, but have multiple players there at the ceremony, etc.
That said, espn tweeted that Heisman winners are 3-5 in national championship games. It'd look a lot better for the acc perception to be home to the 2013 Heisman winner and national champion, as much as it pains me to say it.
Thoughts?
Comments
The antiSEC in me wants FSU to win it. The Hokie in me wants FSU to never win again.
OT but I think BC is going to be terrible next year without Williams and Rettig. I think that revenge will be served big time when Tech plays them.
Jinxes are a terrible thing
Honestly, I'm disappointed. More with the system and voters than anything else. It's a shame that these types of awards recognize on field performance only, and don't take into consideration player character. From everything I've read, the FSU QB is not the kind of guy if want in my program, off the field. Nonetheless, I'm not sure Johnny football is either. All that matters, in the majority's eye, is winning. Frustrating to watch. All I can say is I'm excited about the Ford kid. Standup on and off the field. The kind of person I can cheer for. Winston? Not so much. I wish FSU and Auburn could both lose.
I've been following this kid since high school and I've actually read a lot of good things about him when it comes to leadership skills and work ethic. Outside of the super-crush ESPN has on him, the FSU jersey, and the rape accusations, where the accusers told about 3 different stories to the media, I have no negatives against him.
The Heisman was supposed to consider character...
But the voters don't care about that anymore.
I think that depends on whether you believe speculation or what is actually proven. I am very conflicted about Winston's off-the-field antics, but for the most part, it sounds like he's a typical college kid. He's done some stupid things, but the question is (1) whether they were illegal and (2) whether what he's doing is any different than other college kids and other Heisman candidates. Heck, there is video evidence of Manziel doing something against NCAA rules and he could have been ineligible this year (or at least part of it) and yet he was up for Heisman consideration before the season even started. The Winston situation was an ever-changing story, overhyped by the media, and it sounds like several people did idiotic things on the night in question. Whether or not it was truly illegal is something we will never know, but in our system of laws and our Constitution, he is innocent of any wrongdoing.
I agree that the Heisman voters should consider character, but they should only do so in terms of what is proven, not what is speculated and circulated on Internet message boards.
True, but even with what we know about the candidates I'd say AJ has more character than either Winston or Manziel.
Fair enough, but in terms of the Heisman, character is really only a disqualifying factor, not one that adds points. The award goes to the best football player of the year who is also not a criminal. If we're voting on character for the award, Williams would also rank very highly. Everything I hear about him is positive.
I agree that character is much more important but, the bar has been lowered to the point that as long as a player is eligible for a vote , the votes will go to the best player on the field. (At least they have been getting that right IMO.)
GO HOKIES
I say GOOD. Whether it's the shape, form, or timeframe that people predicted, the ACC has a TOP team and ELITE players competing at the ELITE levels. Nothing better can happen for a program like ours where we can say that we're a powerhouse and we participate in a conference where the nations best come to play. As FSU's success goes, in some ways, so go the Hokies. Now.....let's go pull some upsets over top ranked opponents and maybe something bigger.
Still bitter that MV7 didnt win it "just cuz he was a freshman." If he didn't win it (along with Adrian Peterson) for that reason then I'm of the opinion that no freshman should ever win it.
Same here.
Herschel Walker
Yeah but... Ron Dayne tho.
No one else deserved it. It wasn't even close.
It wasnt close to those voters. Whats their criteria for this? Cuz that BC running back was pretty good....and by pretty good i mean godlike good.
Except Manziel had identical individual numbers
Winning is everything though. We can joke that 8-4 in the SEC and 13-0 in the ACC are the same thing to ESPN, but my guess is to the voters, it's just a beauty contest and is just the best player on the best team (just like most MVP awards).
Pretty sure I said at the beginning of the season that he was the truth.
As a Celtics fan I agree there is only one Truth!
Just my personal opinion, but A. J. McCarron should have won that award sometime during his career. He's the type of humble, high-character person any football program would love to have.
That's the thing, it's hard to distinguish it from a career award because it's only supposed to encompass a given season. As a whole body of work McCarron's career is one of the best ever but he was never once even close to being the "most outstanding player" in a given year IMO.
Ron Dayne won the Heisman over Vick because of his career rushing yards. His highest season rushing total wasn't even that year, it was his freshman year. I'm glad the award is going to freshman now, but pissed it didn't start with Vick.
I think AJ is very good, but I don't think there was a single season where he was the most outstanding player on his team, let alone in the country. I was convinced after the UGA/Auburn game that Aaron Murray was the most outstanding player in the country, I still believe that, and he wasn't even invited to the ceremony.
i've been saying all year that murray was the most underated player in the country. he may well make the best pro in this class. i was telling my wife those things right when the miracle at auburn happened. and georgia still almost won that game again, people forget that.
With all the injuries UGA had this year, they were seemingly destined to have a disappointing season. Too bad, I say. They could have been great. I agree with you that Murray will probably make the best pro. I don't know where he is on the various draft boards, but I'd trade RG3 for the pick that gets him.
I think AJ is and will be a great QB. He's always had very good numbers, but I think his best trait has always been consistency. Every game you know you're going to get very good, but maybe not great, QB play from him. Any coach would take that. But the Heisman is all about flash, and being very good every game year after year isn't as flashy as coming in out of nowhere and taking over games.
Heisman voters got it wrong again, IMO. No question at all in my mind Williams should have gotten it. Did more on a worse team where he was the only legitimate offensive threat. Alas, the voters seem to just look at team record and BCS rank.
Without Williams, BC is UVA level bad. At least he was there at the ceremony. I feel like in the last couple years, guys like that wouldn't have even had a chance.
I disagree and in a fair and balanced society this would never happen.
i think the heisman is just whoever the media is in love with the last couple of weeks of the season. i also think the media are way more interested in it than most fans are. i really dont think fans who dont have a horse in the race really care, but all you hear all season long is heisman heisman heisman. i've never been at a tailgate or watched a game at someone's home and had someone who i considered and actual fan of college football start talking about who was gonna win the award.
Winston should have won it and did win it. Being a Heisman also takes account for winning and losing. FSU is undefeated and wouldn't be had it not been for Winstons great play this yr as a freshman. Williams was a 1 yr wonder to me on a average BC team
I think that Williams should have been second. What he did this year was incredible IMO. Without him BC wouldn't of made a bowl game or even come close. He is gonna be a solid NFL player.
Is it just me or does Jameis Winston not know how to talk, I have a really hard time understanding what he's trying to say half the time
The best QB in the nation on the best team in the nation. No debate really. I can't think of a better season for an ACC QB in the past 10 years, and there are a lot of NFL QBs on that list.
His numbers were pretty tough to argue with. Hoping that FSU ends the SEC run just so the conference can get some credit and we can stop hearing about the SEC for at least a few months.
I'm absolutely pleased. He deserved it and the ACC needed this. The ACC needed there to be a top team and a top player. And so did we. I mean, think about it... Everytime we're ranked they say, "Who did Virginia Tech play? Why do they deserve this?" Well, throw us in with a Florida State and Clemson (maybe Duke) and us upset them? Think how good that'd be for us? National Implications to the extreme. So yeah, I'm ALL FOR Jameis Winston getting Heisman.
Plus, I'm extremely anti-SEC.