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The semifinals is not what we aspire to (at least not right now.). 9 win seasons and a shot at the ACC championship is what we aspire to right now.

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We can get him, Skip Holtz and Shane to form the all-dynasty coaching team

what's Terry Bowden up to?

Clearly the speculation and uncertainty around the coaching search and the overall stress of the season is making us...

It's funny you say that, I can't remember us ever having a major disagreement but I have found that I disagree with a vast majority of your posts on here. Which to each their own. Our brains work differently and that's fine.

I will counter and say that I'm not ignoring evidence. My evidence is conceptual and attempting to predict, what could go wrong with the potential hire and what attributes are needed to succeed. And getting beyond record what is necessary to win as a head coach at Virginia Tech. (*None of us have the time to put together a complete analysis of the data, and a lot of what's needed for the job is difficult to quantify so data driven evidence is not applicable here for the most part.) Most of what I've talked about has been acknowledged by media and people who are well regarded by the industry. Godfrey has echoed many of the criticisms of James Franklin and his record at Penn State that I've brought up, which I was glad to hear.

Now could Franklin come in and say "wow we're in no position to compete right now and resource wise we don't have what we need to flip it in a couple years, so I'm going to use my industry connections to hire elite undervalued coaches to develop our guys and run a scheme that allows us to do the most with the players at our disposal". THAT could work, definitely! But that is totally different from saying we're going to do Penn State at Virginia Tech. And it's also very different from the current value prop on Franklin, which is recruiting and wins at previous stops (with the aforementioned recruits).

To be fair I'm not saying he will fail miserably here, but I do think it's ultimately a waste of time because he doesn't have what we need to win here. We may get a few 7-5 seasons (which we will pay for at top dollar). But I don't see him winning more than 8-9 games here, and that being well above the mean for his time here (that being around 6-7 wins).

As far as quitting VT football, yeah that would be difficult. I've known the whole roster etc year to year since I was a kid. But if it's doomed to fail and a waste of time whats the point?

If he thought that VT wouldn't pay him what he thinks he's worth, along with enough to hire the coordinators he needs, then he wouldn't be considering VT.

Anytime someone brings him up, you make a point to lay into him like it's your job to remind us all just how abrasive he was. And to be clear, I'm not defending anyone questioning if he should really be gone. I feel like what happened happened, the horse is dead, and we all should let him lay. My opinion is that any of it is noise at this point, and I don't feel that you, as a moderator especially, should be adding to it. Never said it was your call. I said you all did your jobs. I wasn't sure if it was a unilateral decision by Joe or if he asked for all of the moderators' input.

You're assuming Frankiln would take every penny and knowingly make himself not have enough to bring in coordinators he would want.

Why wouldn't he use his payments from PSU to offset his salary and state that he want's X amount for OC / DC etc.?

I don't think Franklin is dumb enough to take every penny and then have nothing for his coordinators. He knows he needs money for good coaches.

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