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Again, I don't care what other teams are doing. I know what Tech can afford to do. The money isn't there yet. It hasn't been raised, it hasn't been delivered.

Do what is and has been historically approved nationwide. Hire for medium with bonuses built in and escalators for performance. If you hire at 5 million, and give a 1 million bonus for 10 plus wins great. Coaches accept these deals all the time. Franklin might think he is above this, but one thing to remember is that he has a offset clause. Penn State can be huffy all they want, but it is a competitive salary at 5-7.

Fair point. I don't think we need to be top 10 in coach's pay, so using Ltrepeter's numbers below, the range for the top 11-25 is currently $7.5-9M, with Rhule being #15 at $8 point something. So your max of $8.2M seems spot on.

But that's all based on the #'s from the last cycle and they are destined to go up due to current supply and demand imbalance. We're already seeing it with the coaches signing extensions. It would be great if the range for a top 25 coach only shifted to $8-10M, but that is unlikely. I do think the bottom half of the top 25 could be in that range.

And that is likely to be our struggle with Franklin. He would argue he is a top 10 coach and while I believe we can say with some certainty he'd make us into a top 25 team quickly, not sure about top 10.

So your argument that we shouldn't pay top 10 money for 11-25 results is valid. The problem is we don't know where the new split is going to be between 1-10 and 11-25.

I honestly don't care where the Coaches Salary database puts us. They should be paid based on performance with rights to increase accordingly.

Shane is actually a great example.
He was hired at 3 mil. Two years later after good performance he was redone at 5-6 and then after continued good performance raised to 8. That is how contracts for new or raised G5 coaches should be done. Reward coaches for good performance with raises and bonuses. They should know the base will be increased based on performance.

Counterpoint: Scared money don't make money

I think if they hired Brian Kelly, Tech fans would do what Vol fans did when Schiano's name came up during their coaching search.

Where have i defended anything, let alone "at every turn" lol

Joe's decision entirely, go kick rocks with any other narrative

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Current #15 is Matt Rhule at $8.5M but he just signed an extension that raises him to $10M next year, $11M in 2027, and $12.5M in 2030.

consistent winner but he won't win you championships

But this is exactly what VT needs right now. If we get back to being consistently good, then we are well-positioned for whatever college football looks like next. Then, we can worry about championships.

By that time, Franklin will either be the guy, or we'll be in a better position to find the next guy who can elevate us further. We will have solidified our position such that we can then afford to take a riskier, high-upside shot.

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I'd say that Franklin is probably in the top 15 of coaches based on what he's done historically. He'll be a great recruiter and consistent winner but he won't win you championships. What would be the compensation for the 15thish ranked coach? Like I said, I don't think he'd take 7. I also don't think he's worth 10-12. I think he'd probably be worth about 8ish to 9ish. But that's a lot to pay somebody who hasn't done anything for you yet. It's kinda why I like the route of a G5 coach. I'd rather be the school that ups a guy's pay based on what he's done for me than be the school to pay huge gobs of money to a coach who did something of value for someone else.

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