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I still believe him when he says he thought it was a joke and tossed it after receiving it.
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Did I forget anything?
good chance you did...with that kind of laundry list of shit you have to think it's a systemic issue - that number of bad-luck-occurrences just doesn't happen randomly to the same institution unless there are structural issues
Without more money, our upside is having the ball break the right way in a season once in a while and getting 10 wins and a playoff birth.
Without the magical invitation to the SEC or the BIG, which seems more and more like a pipe dream, this comment is our future imo.
With a Corny offense ranked LOL 159th, would you?
Wonder how Keller managed a 9-3 record at SHS (defense ranked 80th) - Massey rankings.
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Would 68 have been the record?
Yep- it starts with cleaning up the fucking penalties, clock management, false starts, turnovers, the discipline- all of that can be done by the head coach.
Our edge should be the fact that 90% of the stadiums in our fucking basketball league are 1/4th full every Saturday and ours is not. That includes teams that beat us like UNC, Cuse, Pitt, Duke. Our edge is what Maryland and UVA have not had in 30 years... juice and fans around the fucking program. We sell out our stadium for a 6-6 football team- literally nowhere else in America does that happen. MAYBE aTm, MAYBE LSU. That's it- not fucking Pitt, not fucking Louisville, not fucking SMU, not fucking anyone but Clemson in out league. So perhaps we should parlay that into SOME kind of fucking success?
The thing that always seems to get lost in the circus of college football discussions (recruiting, NIL, conferences, etc.) is that believe it or not, there are actually many things a coach can do during a season to increase a team's chance of winning their games.
I would like VT to have a coach that is capable of doing those things. I know it's much easier said than done, but still it's not rocket science and many schools manage to do it (SMU, Indiana, BYU, ASU, Iowa State to name a few)
Has there been a single non blue blood or blue blood adjacent to have sustained success for more than a few seasons?
Off the top of my head - Kansas State, Utah, Boise State, Washington, TCU, Ole Miss, Cincinati, Iowa, Oklahoma State, JMU have all had sustained or reoccurring success over the last decade or so.
The common thread is that these programs have made (and kept) good hires:
- Utah, Ole Miss, Iowa, OKst, and JMU have all kept a pretty good coach around for more than 5 years.
- UW, Boise, KSU, and Cincy all made multiple good hires (with a bad hire mixed in)
It's almost like we need a fuck ton more money to compete at the national stage
The question I keep coming back to is 'what's our edge?'
From the late 90's to the early aughts, VT/Beamer had a variety of edges:
- We innovative on special teams - not only did we play our best athletes there, but (as I understand it) Beamer also invented new protections for punt blocking.
- We had out-scouted everyone to get the best talent in the mid-atlantic
- We re-invented the QB position
To keep Beamer around, VT made his staff the 3rd highest paid staff in the country in 2001.
But now:
- Everyone understands the importance of special teams
- 247 and Hudl have nationalized recruiting and made it impossible to find 'diamonds in the rough' at scale
- The QB position has been re-invented like 5 times and every decent QB is expected to be mobile
So, what's our edge now? How are we going to invent the future? Are we willing to do something schematically unique? Can we create a recruiting pipeline that (most) others can't take? Can we outspend other programs (clearly not, but maybe I'll hit the lotto one day).
If we want Beamer-level success, then we need a hall of fame level coach. Those cost money.
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Lovett's mom loves VT.. having said that, I'm sure he will transfer to UNC.
Right now, I think coordinator buyouts are common for HC retreads like Chip Kelly and soon-to-be hired Gus Malzahn. Those coaches have leverage. Other coaches with leverage are ones with multiple offers, and a coordinator would take the offer with the better buyout language.
To the original point, I would find it hard to imagine that Bowen or Marve would have buyout requirements if they get fired. If they do, VT may have the dumbest athletic department. Those two coordinators were hired and re-signed with no competition for their services. They have no leverage. They have no reason to be given a buyout.
I have tried to look into Marve's and Bowen's contract language and have not found it, so I have no idea what their contract actually contains. Someone could FOIA request it and get the answer.
lololololol. takes breath...lolololol. A guy that can't cover ACC Wrs going in the first round- riiiiigggghht
Of fucking course Miami. As if that fucking Prick Restrepo isn't annoying enough
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He will go to a 6-6 or worse ACC team and beat us... like Brennan Armstrong did.
Concepcion from NC ST - was better than anyone we had on defense last year. He fucking dominated us.
"I obviously recognize that Pry has not landed any top end high school guys"- exactly... so the mental gymnastics of average rank, etc. are meaningless to me.
Have average recruit ratings become inflated, like everything else in life?
Amen. All bowl games are meaningless now. The fucking Rose Bowl doesn't really exist FFS... so why make fans freeze their asses off? Fuck that. Put EVERY bowl in a warm weather place or a dome. It could easily be done.

One score losses will get after ya.