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Also while I get your reasoning of giving him time you also have to see that the roster will be worse next year.

we have good talent on the roster

make up your mind. Do we have good talent next year or not?

I don't hate the idea of hiring a new coach NOW. And we obviously agree that Marve is the worse of the two coordinators. I just don't buy that hiring Schumann, who has no HC experience that I know of, would be better than Pry firing Marve and hiring a new DC. Is there a chance that it's better to just replace Pry now instead of giving him the chance to hire a new DC (who might also not work out)? Yeah, I'll concede that. From a risk standpoint, however, I think it's a bigger risk to replace the entire coaching staff at this stage. We know what we've got with Bowen. It's fine. Not great. Fine. Leave that in place, let him continue to grow into the role, and at least you know your offense will be serviceable. In the meantime, overhaul the defense. If you're lucky and hire a great DC the defense gets back to something resembling a P4 defense within a couple years and then you can reevaluate Bowen. If his offense is still failing to wake up until October by then, then I think you get yourself a new OC. This whole idea is based on the assumption that Pry actually makes a change, of course.

I'm out on Pry, essentially. I don't think he's got what it takes. But I'll give him a chance to win me back if he fires Marve in a week.

It would be expensive to fire Pry now and if he's planning on making a change to his staff anyway, just let that play out, IMO.

This is a better question. My whole thing is if I'm the AD I'll call and find out

Yes absolutely high P5 coordinators are looking for P5 jobs. In fact up until recently many would take G5 jobs, see Lane Kiffin to FAU.

I'm not sure he would want to take over a mid-level, at best, ACC program.

This isn't true, resources wise we're 5th in the ACC at worst. Brand wise we're 6th. Losing some games doesn't change that. Also the fan support staying the same and 3rd in the conference doesn't hurt anything either.

This is true. They changed the policy and told nobody, but buried it in the fan guide. Almost screwed us over, but we miraculously found a lot 3 RV pass on stubhub.

Not not that, but would he want to leave the SEC/deepsouth?

I - literally - was about to ask, is there any reason to think he would want to come here? There might be, I do not know. But with his background, I'm not sure he would want to take over a mid-level, at best, ACC program.

So, I pretty flatly disagree with your thesis. Schumann coming in would mean new coaches across the board which likely means huge steps backwards for both offense and defense.

That's not necessarily true, we have good talent on the roster, far more than any typical first year head coach has. And if there is regression bringing in a new staff, that's something that has to happen anyways if Pry doesn't work out. No guarantees Schumann would bring better coordinators, but if he brings in some with experience, there's a very good chance they will be.

Also I'm not advocating for an OC change. I said Marve is worse. Changing the offensive staff would be a waste of time imo. But hiring a real QB coach is imperative and no that doesn't just mean changing Brian Christ's title and paying him more money

Correct me if I am wrong, but for that overflow lot RV parking you had to buy passes (before the season) in order to park there. And, AFAIK, they sold out for the season? It was a new policy/operation starting this season. But once you have a pass, it is first-come, first-serve as far as picking a spot to park.

My favorite John Madden call - maybe my favorite anybody call - was about Bill Parcells when the Giants went for it on 4th down in the playoffs, Phil Simms was hurt and Hostetler throws a pass to Bob Mrosko for the first. Vague memory of something like this:

Let me tell you something, as a former coach, I know. Any time you go for it on 4th down in the National Football League, as a head coach, it takes guts. But when you decide to go for it on 4th and 4 in the NFC Divisional Playoffs and you call a play that has your backup quarterback throwing the ball to a guy name Mrosko, man, that's just a whole heap of guts.

I mean if I was a highly sought after QB recruit, watching us routinely put our QBs in a tough spot and literally running them into major injuries after they were already showing signs of breing hurt in games, I would decommit, too.

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