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Agreed.
The fishing forum is worth the yearly subscription.
You do not understand this logic because YOU are not going to stop following VT, but I am stating that that is exactly what I am doing.
Will still root for, meaning I'm not going to change allegiances (that would be gross), but I am not going to watch or entertain this program anymore, in any form.
TKP was and always has been, outside of going to games, the place I spend money on VT sports. I resent bar1990's and your assumption that I will somehow defer my money away from small business to something else...my entire life has been the opposite of that, including professionally (not that you would know that)....i quite literally will not be spending time/resources on CFB in general
The Pry and CMY hires made sense on the surface - they're guys with a twangy Appalachian accent, golly shucks personality that just resonates with what the VT donors and admin want. But CMY was a career mid major average coach. Pry was very under qualified (lifelong coordinator who hadn't had a sniff of interest anywhere as a HC until we hired him). They fit in with the image VT wants, but they didn't show a serious commitment to winning. They were very risk averse hires - guys that you hope work out, and if they do they likely won't leave.
The VTAD institutionally just doesn't want to move on or know how to move on from the Beamer era. It's painfully obvious.
there will only be one chance to make the right hire before both Pry and Whit need to go
This I agree with. This is Pry's one chance to correct the staff.
Strong disagree on CMY. He's an average coach, and if not for that extremely flukey ACC title run, he may have already been worn out his goodwill with the fan base. He's not a terrible coach, but he's not great either. He's career average. But he's from SWVA and friends with the circle down there, and he won't leave. So that checked all the big boxes.
Mike Young and Brent Pry were comfort hires - guys that fit in the right circles in Blacksburg and fit in
But that's what the people footing the bill (and the fan base at large) wanted.
Would you prefer Whit pulled an Allen Greene, hire a coach who his boosters didn't like, just to see them go out of their way to undermine the hire?
The Pry hire made sense. The Coordinator hires should've been blocked, I'll admit. I don't know enough about basketball hires, but it appeared to me that CMY had the resume to get a mid-tier ACC basketball job.
So here's the problem with just letting Pry reshuffle the deck this Offseason-- look at his hires:
-Marve - totally underqualified, inexperienced and the worst unit on D is the position he coached...zero recruiting impact
-Bowen - equally inexperienced, trying to pass himself off as a QB Coach, at best he is inconsistent as playcaller
-Cheetah - big game on social media..inherited 2 solid CBs and both are at best static from when he took over
-Prioleau - zero development of Safties, not much of a recruiter
-Quinn - does something....not real clear what
-Crooks - took over bad OL, also zero progress. Failed to find anyone even serviceable in the Portal.
-Mines- stellar recruiter, very questionable how impactful he is as position coach
Price - maybe the most balanced but average overall.
Rudolph, Glenn - both hightailed out-of-town ASAP...maybe was a warning sign.
So we're going to improve the team by letting a Pry swing as miss more wildly on some more coaches??? That's the plan here? Or Whit will get more oversight and input??--well, that's comforting
Seems to me that the guy is proven that he doesn't have the aptitude to make Smart coaching decisions either in the Personnel he surrounds himself with or on Gameday itself.
He's the Problem
I have some lingering thoughts that Whit is hamstrung by Sands and / or the BOV. I've heard others say this in person, including tonight when drinking with 6 VT fans. No evidence of it, just a hunch.
Big facts. Whit has given him an impossible task. We're lucky Mike Young is still here lmao. That man won an ACC tournament, put some respect on his name.
As a former player I am so tired of us being happy to beat UVA! Beating UVA isn't exciting to me or anyone else anymore! Any season that we don't make it to the ACC is a busted season. Sick of UVA being the Super Bowl of the season!! We have to beat UVA go to a toilet bowl!!!— Sergiorender70 (@sergiorender70) November 24, 2024
That's encouraging to hear, but until it actually happens I'm still going to be anxious about the possibility there will be no changes. It might even be worse if the replacement hire is underwhelming, because it really feels like there will only be one chance to make the right hire before both Pry and Whit need to go, and it would be very VT to in this situation somehow bring in another first time coordinator with no experience.
the Ballein undermining stuff is a major red flag on how that crap was allowed to happen and Whit was ok with it.
Seriously. Just fire that dinosaur. If some of the old boys club donors don't like it, fuck 'em. Get football winning again and new donors will come.
I agree. I'm also puzzled by this logic. I'm not going to stop following VT (watching is a different story) and TKP is the place I do that. I prefer $84 to Joe than whatever the hell TSL/GC or whatever it is now charges to go into corporate pockets.
EVERYONE lauded the Fuente hire. He was an experienced head coach, who won big at a trash program.
As far as the shit pay - If a new AD comes in and is able to convince our donors to spend enough to pay our Olympic coaches more, I'll gladly eat crow, but I doubt that will happen. Whit can't force people to part with their money. VT boosters either can't or don't want to spend enough to keep the Buzzes, the Kevin Dressers, Pete Hughes, etc in addition to fund a football program, and they never have.
Mike Young
has earned the right to go out on his own terms, let's keep it 100
If no one is fired at the end of this season it's going to be increasingly difficult to have any confidence in Pry as coach or the AD as a whole.
Yes. We returned damn near the entire team this year and added a few transfer players. We needed the coaches to build on last year's momentum and continue to develop the players (and themselves). That hasn't happened. We're likely going to take a step back next year talent/experience-wise. Neglecting to make coaching staff changes will lead to a very disappointing 2025 and beyond. Need Pry and the AD to show they're serious about getting this rebuild back on track.
With basketball season starting, this is going to be used 5 times a week. pic.twitter.com/D7f0rZGFgi— Bryson Collins (@Bcollins276) November 24, 2024
Maybe the Jets will let him work the concession stand
Classic bar1990, love you brother.
Your framing is 100% off. I love Joe annd this community, so much that I let my membership recycle twice during Fuente years when I didn't want to pay.
You literally just posited that TheKeyPlay is, as a business, completely separate from Hokies...it's quite literally the opposite of what you say. It's built off of VT sports. It would not exist otherwise.
Still love you bar1990, and the rest of you!
Whit came in and hit a home run hiring Buzz, spread some funding around to non-rev sports to get them more up to par in the ACC, and hired Fuente who seemed like an A+ hire on paper at the time.
But I just don't think Whit is a great communicator or has a very well structured or strong AD where everyone is rowing in the right direction. Fu turned out to be a bust, but the Ballein undermining stuff is a major red flag on how that crap was allowed to happen and Whit was ok with it. Also once Buzz left, I feel like he caved into the small town country club mindset of the VT AD and Beamer holdovers like Ballein who want to just not rock the boat and keep the status quo. Mike Young and Brent Pry were comfort hires - guys that fit in the right circles in Blacksburg and fit in, and who won't leave. Those were two very big mistakes IMO. Whit sort of at some point lost focus and lost his edge and became part of the Blacksburg swamp. And that will be his undoing here.
Lmfao. His brilliant research and interview strategy /processes was praised... and it resulted in a guy that lost to Odu and liberty and was fired after 5 years. He gives his Olympic coaches shit pay and hired a guy that is 1-12 in one score games. He fucking sucks.
I'll be shocked if there's not changes.
There's rumors that Marve has hired an agent which means he's planning on making moves. Other people saying he's trying to jump to the nfl.
Bold of you to assume that lasts long in the next administration
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Someone has to go. Joke!
I don't fish, but this gets a leg 😊