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Disgrace. Even the most optimistic "well we are close"... goes out the window when you actually watch the games. If you caught the byu asu game yesterday you saw that a head coach can absolutely lose you a game on his own. Dillingham nearly lost because him and him alone miscounted the seconds/time left in the game with an assinine strategy at the end. It matters and pry us fucking awful at it.
Worth also noting that we were out-fundraising Clemson until their 2015 NC appearance. Which is wild to think.
Right - something every other p5 team has figured out but us.
I'm sort of sympathetic to this argument, especially on OL.
But if that's the case, pour the NIL dollars there, work on developing the new guys, etc.
We're seeing Pry recruits show potential at every position except at LB and OL. But those two position groups account for over a third of the starting 22.
My point was if the donors had pressured Frank to make changes (our offense was bottom of the 1-A ranks), we could have been playing for and potentially winning NCs. That would have raised our brand and generating a lot of income. Frank wasn't seen as a clown...he was given a lifetime contract.
It's a different game now and those donors are still playing the old one. They don't believe make changes will make things better.
How do you coach not falling down to Div. I athletes?
There are lots of ways. Comes down to doing drills involving quick changes in speed/direction. Working on watching the body movements of the receivers so you can anticipate where they are going so that your body is ready to start moving in the correct direction.
The slipping is a huge problem with preparation with both the equipment managers and warmups. It seems pretty obvious some players didn't get a feel for the field during warmups, or weren't taking things serious enough getting lined up for the play. You half-ass those things and that is why your ass ends up on the ground during the play.
0-5 this year alone.
This should have been an 8-4 team at worst.
They have been coached into jeopardy to even make the fuckin Bahamas Bowl.
You can give Pry more talent, it will only be matched by increasing levels of mismanagement.
He's a Lame Duck at this point, whether we want to admit it or not.
I guess in fairness, Pry's end of game management wasn't as incomprehensible as Dillingham at ASU (tho he did win). Leading by 5 with second and goal at BYU's 3, he managed to give BYU a Hail Mary shot to win from midfield, without a turnover or making a great play. And without the benefit of BYU really doing anything strategic at all other than calling their last 2 timeouts in the last few seconds. Not an easy feat but he managed to do it.
Though at the end of the day I'm not sure people understand there won't be a TKP to check back in to. While it's easy enough for people to pull their $84,
Trust me, I understand this. I don't want TKP to go.
If finances are an issue for you, I get it. If you're just so pissed about VT football that you have to detach completely to maintain your mental health... I guess I get it (though I would hope adults could regulate their emotions, but I digress)
But it seems in bad taste to announce it publicly. No need to slam the door on the way out.
A legacy we get to face week 1 next season.
1-12 in one score games gets you fired literally everywhere else. It shows you that the team is close to being competitive but can't close. That's on the head coach. The clown the LA chargers recently fired was the same thing - awful in one score games.
Every single college team out there is bringing in new players via the portal every year
This is not true. Yes, everyone (except Clemson and the service academies) is using the transfer portal. Pry got three all ACC level players, and a very serviceable back up qb, and addressed other positions of need.
The issue isn't talent acquisition from the portal; it's talent deployment of all players.
Yeah Stiney and winning 10 games and acc titles really sucked. We should hire a big time offensive guy much better than Stiney - like a Justin Fuente and all will be good. The only thing holding Bud back is Beamer and Stiney. Give Bud an "offensive" mind and we will win national titles. Lmfao. Turns out frank Beamer is not a clown and knew how to fucking WIN games against dogshit acc teams. Funny. I long for beating the shit out of Duke with shitty Stinespring
Yea, this is where I'm at. I can see a path forward for Pry. I felt the same way about Fuente until 2020, and I was late.
But if Pry was fired at the end of the season, I wouldn't be pissed. I would assume if we did such a thing that our finances would be in order.
SEC playoff picture may have cleared up last night. Alabama got heel stomped, Texas A&M lost in 4OT, and Ole Miss blew it against Florida. The three locked in I expect are Texas, Tennessee and Georgia. South Carolina is probably just on the outside. Still could end up with a four way tie at the top of the SEC if A&M beats Texas next week. But we all know how they will spin it....
I am in the camp that something must be done ASAP (as possible) just to improve the program (as opposed to saving it, which seems like a bridge too far at the moment), and I am now thinking that "something" needs to be far more than replacing one coordinator.
This is what sucks the most.
It's not that the top donors aren't doing their part. It's that we don't have the top donors. We don't have those $1M donations to build off. Most of those are the old schoolers who were very happy with Frank winning 10 games and the bowl streak (no matter how bad our OC was and how much better we could have been). Others don't see the return for going way up in their levels because we cannot make up the gap in NIL and conference payouts. They aren't reaching into their pockets to fund buyouts (especially since we are still funding the last one).
We need more small to mid-donors and the small donors to reach up a level. Start pressuring the levels of those top donors. Dropping out won't make the problem better. I've said other places it's not like we have a pot of money sitting around and are saving it for a rainy day. We have to pick and choose how we allocate (like MBB/WBB taking a hit for FB...which is what the fans clambered for...and now are complaining about).
Chris Coleman made a good point about Pry recently...he's in his mid-50's and had been coaching 20+ years, the idea that he is suddenly gonna figure it out is kind of ludicrous.
As fans, we have had this hope that all the pieces are gonna come together, but they aren't.
Pry isn't a good Head Coach. It's not getting better, now or at any point in the future.
You either fire him now or can't complain when we lose winnable games over and over because that's who he is
We got the part right of finally expanding the Hokie Club and getting more small donors/students. Think we could do more there, but we have struggled in getting more out of our big donors and attracting new big fish, other than Mehul who has been amazing. A lot of our long time big fish have a mentality of entitlement and looking at their cumulative giving IMO rather than being told, if you want to compete against and beat Clemson, you're going to need to give more than you have. We've attempted to compete in this new landscape on the old Beamer mentality budget largely.
I subscribe to TKP because it makes me laugh on a daily basis. It makes me laugh when we win, and it makes me laugh when we lose. And frankly, I appreciate TKP even more during the hard times of fandom, because that's when we can all come together and laugh together at our misery. Or scream about who needs to get fired. Either way, TKP makes it easier for me.
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