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So there are legal frameworks about where certain donations can be used. For example when you donate X amount to reach a certain level to get the football tickets you want the vast majority of that donation can ONLY be spent on scholarships through the Hokie Club. Our issue for the last 40 years has been the Hokie Club, Athletic department and yes even Frank Beamer did an awful job of marketing, expansion and explaining all of this.
Iptay Hokie club what the fuck ever. Clemson football fucking wins. They beat us like a drum the last 15 years. They win acc titles they win national fucking titles. So yes let's copy Clemson please.
Cancelled my season tickets and scholarship fund donation level that kept them at Golden Hokie, yep. But we will keep donating to specific sports like softball, women's basketball, yearly and sport specific or project specific when requested when the athletic department makes a good presentation that the need is real.
Pretty much where I am.
Pry needs to be gone if our goal is to win and compete at any meaningful level and that's clearly going to take $$.
But donating money to Whit, Ballein and the utter mess that is VT Athletics right now is totally illogical.
I doubt VT Administration has the stomach to perform the Roto-rooter on the Athletic Dept that is needed.
It's pretty depressing at this point.
that's perfect, lmao +++
Our high dollar donors are cheap as hell compared to everywhere else
Are they cheap or just not rich (relative to donors at other programs)? Genuinely unsure.
If we are that poor then gut ourselves of the waste until we can be financially solvent again.
Terrible idea imo. Despite the underfunding, VT is by all accounts a bubble P2 program if/when the ACC collapses. We need to do everything possible now to make that cut if the opportunity arises. Giving up now would be dumb.
Pry has now mismanaged the final two minutes of the first half in FIVE out of six of our losses. And in all five the decision making cost the Hokies a shot at at least 3 points or allowed our opponent to get an additional 3 points. In all five games that cascading error led directly to the loss.
Let that sink in.
At Vanderbilt, Double Zeroes gave the Commodores three points. Three points would have meant no overtime and a Hokies win with no other changes.
Rutgers game, Pry allowed 19 seconds to go off the clock between 1st and 2nd down so when Tuten sprinted 30 yards to move the Hokies to mid-field, there wasn't enough time to try for 10/15 more yards to get a FG attempt. Went to halftime with two timeouts remaining I believe.
Miami game: Managed to get our own FG but Pry makes the bone headed decision to call timeout with 25 seconds remaining rather than let the clock run down to 3 seconds before kicking it. Miami proceeds to get a FG to end the half. With those three points, at the end we don't need a Hail Mary, another FG would have won it. If he didn't also throw away three points in the 3rd Qtr going for it on 4th and Goal, Hokies could have kneeled out the game.
Syracuse Game: Pry decides to take a ten second run off and not use his TWO remaining timeouts with the ball at the Hokies 46. A FG would have prevented overtime and given the Hokies another win.
Duke game: TWO possessions in plus territory both within John Loves long of 57 yards and fail to attempt a FG. Hokies lose by three.
If they aren't going to fire him, they need to mandate he be put in a VR simulator that creates opportunity/coaching challenges just like these and other common two minute drill coaching decisions and have a way to grade his performance. Make it an hour a day until he reaches whatever is deemed a 90% performance. Reduce it to three hours a week at that point. Coaches expect the players to practice two minute drills. We should expect coaches to practice two minute execution decision making.
Spot on. Everyone touts the IPTAY as the greatest thing ever in athletics fundraising, but it's smoke and mirrors. Rule 1 of major fundraising - it's better to spend time and resources on attracting a bunch of reliable big fish than many small time donors who can't commit more than annually. Clemson's IPTAY is a means of more casual fan engagement to make them feel important, but primarily to foster fundraising for students/recent grads so they give more in the future. Clemson's bread and butter, like every other big program, are their big heavy hitter donors. We struggle in that department mightily. We don't have enough of those people, and the ones we do have don't realize they need to pony up if they are serious about winning.
the good thing is that that's for the top to figure out. We increased YOY income for the past like 5 or 6 years right and the outcome as fan experience and winning have been stagnant if not negative.
It's their job to raise money and spend it in the right place and right now they're absolutely failing.
Let's be clear for a second.
We have 25k HC donors, thousands more than at the school we like to hold up as the gold standard of giving, Clemson's IPTAY. Our problem isn't the number of donors that we have, it's that the wealthiest donors aren't carrying their weight like we need in order to keep up. While Clemson has only 23k donors to our 25k, they pull in $44m annually to our $26m. Our top donors want and expect the country club experience on a minivan budget, and until we start getting the actual big money, there's nothing we can do, and it's not worth blaming us regular donors for anything. The regular Joe's are doing their part.
Give it time🤣
Didn't you just say recently that you'd canceled your own donations?
I'm tired of looking for moral victories. Win or get lost. For this staff (and athletic department), it's tike to get lost. I'm just terribly apathetic about VT sports right now and see no reason to get more invested unless serious changes are made. I get that money has to be donated to make change, but I see no evidence that my money would be used in that way, so I can't bring myself to donate.
Then send a message to our high dollar donors to up their giving or we are shutting it all down.
What we are getting right now isn't good enough. We have more donors than Clemson but we are bringing in less money. Our high dollar donors are cheap as hell compared to everywhere else, and yet they seemingly have our Athletic Department by the balls harder than most other schools.
We are so mismanaged it's mind boggling. I'm tired of the excuses. If we are that poor then gut ourselves of the waste until we can be financially solvent again.
I woke up to 4 people canceling. I mentioned in another thread earlier this year that some version of this has happened after each loss this season. People are checking out, I get it, because I have too. I watched 10 minutes of the game last night in favor of having a nice evening out. The grind of the last 10 years of covering a mediocre team, running this site, and yes, from the other side of the coin, dealing with the fallout of the fan base sucks. But it is what it is. Though at the end of the day I'm not sure people understand there won't be a TKP to check back in to. While it's easy enough for people to pull their $84, when it happens en masse, which is what is happening now, the business ain't going to recover. So yeah, I hope folks have enjoyed their time at Mike's Grille and enjoy Five Guys moving forward.
I assume your question is rhetorical, but in the event it's not, the answer is likely money. I'd wager those schools all get significant more donations, have a bigger endowment, etc than VT.
"That's something we need to look at."
So since we are poor and have no money, we are done as a winning football program? It's just luck now if we are competitive against fucking Duke? Glad that's cleared up. We are poor. Can't and won't win. That settles it.
Yes - 2 back breaking broken coverages by veteran players. That's mental. That's preparation. But to me- that's only part of it. We had no protection to the point that we are back to just running the qb to get a numbers advantage. The OL flat couldn't block in the 4th quarter. We stunk on defense and OL. Stunk. It wasn't about Pop or anything else. We couldn't block Duke. Look at the root cause not the result - piss poor OL talent and depth, mental weakness and lack of prep on D- those are constant this year. If Tuten doesn't have career days we are fucked because we can't pass block like a P5 school. When we need a defensive stop, we never fucking get one. Root causes are why we didn't improve this year and why we are all pissed. Fix the big shit not the little shit
My point is that the clock stops at 2 min no matter what, so by letting it run to the 2 minutes and calling a timeout after, we lost the time of the play and had 1:53 and 2 TOs left. If he calls TO before the 2 min we have 2 min and 2 TOs left
For a fan base that didn't even cover the scholarship bill with donations until 2016 I'm not sure how we can realistically shake the money tree to do what needs to be done from top down in terms of athletic department, coaching, facilities in all sports to keep Tech in the top 3rd in "all sports" that we all hope to see long term.
Man imagine being a UVA fan that's watched the VT the past 3 weeks and being a 7.5pt dog
Are you kidding?
Not trying a field goal before half.
Going for it too early from the 32 (passing up another field goal).
Letting 40 SECONDS run off before the 2 minute warning.
Would've been nice to have those at the end.
It absolutely was in game coaching.
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